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Was their and Alien Threat as was posed by Ronald Reagan ? Did Ronald Reagan approach Michail Gorbachev about such a threat ?

http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1206/gorbachev.html

Here is the truth about the Alien Threat. In the late 70's Jimmy Carter was denied access to programs because he did not have the need to know. He did not accept this and was about to fire several people to prove who was the boss. He was given information about our Nuclear defense posture which had shown that nulcear missiles had been disabled within missile silos. In each case their was no explanation as to how this could have happened with one exception. That exception was when an airman saw a light in the sky shine a beam of light down on one of the silos. This was not acceptable to Jimmy Carter. He just wouldn't believe it. He was shown other proofs that an alien threat was factual and that we could not defend against such agression.

As the 80's approached Jimmy Carter felt that his opponent Ronald Reagan was to much of a cowboy to let him in on the big secret. Carter tried to bury this but failed. Some of the aids that had worked for Carter were held over and went to work for Ronald Reagan. One of them reveiled intensionally or unintensionally that their was a threat. Ronald Reagan first response as a thinking man was to hop on board air force one and go visit Michail and have a talk.

Ronald Reagan dropped a folder with pictures and evidence on Michails lap and asked him "what do make of this". This is a president who just reveiled his nuclear defense posture to the soviet union. A block buster of a moment. Obviously Michail was rattle by this and invited Reagan to stay for dinner. After dinner Michail handed a similar folder with similar evidence which also proved and existance of an alien threat.

Ronald Reagan would make frequent phone calls to Michail and they became personal friends. When Ronald Reagan spoke those famous words in Berlin.. "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall" he said this in friendship, not as an agressor or an enemy.

Let me see.. what was name of that famous project that I worked on back in the 80's ? Starwars ? That is a curious name isn't it... ? Why would Ronald Reagan call it Starwars when the conventional thinkers would have called it something that would have reflected something more anti Soviet ?

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Phil Schnieder wistle blower who came forward to give testimony of his account of alien contact.

Later he was killed by M.I.B. ?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... t=lf&hl=en

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Oh, I forgot to mention. You should watch the 1983 movie Strange Invaders. Notice the lightnighbolt from the alien... Strange coincidence ?

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John Lear son of the inventor and father of the Lear Corp, give his account about his dealing with the alien agenda and the monies that are required to maintain the 1400 plus bases..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... t=lf&hl=en

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After the Greada Treaty in 1954 Ike was advised to bury the fact that we had entered into a treaty. No standing president would be given "need to know" without clearance. This is why JFK, Kennedy, Ford and Carter were not given access. Here is the snippet..


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Eisenhower's 1954 Meeting With Extraterrestrials:

The Fiftieth Anniversary of First Contact?
Research Study #8, Revised Febuary 12, 2004;
first published January 28, 2004, http://www.exopolitics.org (c) Michael E. Salla, PhD

-----ABSTRACT-----
On the night and early hours of February 20-21, 1954, while on a 'vacation' to Palm Springs, California, President Dwight Eisenhower went missing and allegedly was taken to Edwards Air force base for a secret meeting. When he showed up the next morning at a church service in Los Angeles, reporters were told that he had to have emergency dental treatment the previous evening and had visited a local dentist. The dentist later appeared at a function that evening and presented as the 'dentist' who had treated Eisenhower.

The missing night and morning has subsequently fueled rumors that Eisenhower was using the alleged dentist visit as a cover story for an extraordinary event. The event is possibly the most significant that any American President could have conducted: an alleged 'First Contact' meeting with extraterrestrials at Edwards Air Force base (previously Muroc Airfield), and the beginning of a series of meetings with different extraterrestrial races that led to a 'Greada Treaty' that was eventually signed. This astonishing First Contact event, if it occurred, will experience its 50th anniversary on February 20-21, 2004.

-----About the Author-----
Dr. Michael E. Salla has held academic appointments in the School of International Service, American University, Washington DC (1996-2001), and the Department of Political Science, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia (1994-96). He taught as an adjunct faculty member at George Washington University, Washington DC., in 2002. He is currently researching methods of Transformational Peace as a Researcher in Residence in the Center for Global Peace (2001-2004) and directing the Center's Peace Ambassador Program which uses transformational peace techniques for individual self-empowerment. He has a PhD in Government from the University of Queensland, Australia, and an MA in Philosophy from the University of Melbourne, Australia.

He is the author of Exopolitics: Political Implications of the Extraterrestrial Presence (Dandelion Books, 2004); and The Hero's Journey Toward a Second American Century (Greenwood Press, 2002) and co-editor/author of three other books, and authored more than seventy articles, chapters, and book reviews on peace, ethnic conflict and conflict resolution. He has conducted research and fieldwork in the ethnic conflicts in East Timor, Kosovo, Macedonia, and Sri Lanka. He has organized a number of international workshops involving mid to high level participants from these conflicts. He has an academic website at http://www.american.edu/salla/ and is the founder of the website: http://www.exopolitics.org

-----Eisenhower's 1954 Meeting With ETs: NOW the 50th Anniversary-----
This paper explores the evidence that the First Contact meeting had occurred with extraterrestrials with a distinctive 'Nordic' appearance. The likelihood of an agreement having been spurned with this 'Nordic race', then started a series of meetings that led to a Greada Treaty eventually being signed with a different extraterrestrial race dubbed the 'Greys', and the motivations of the different extraterrestrial races involved in these Greada Treaty discussions.

The paper will further examine why these events were kept secret for so long, the significance of the 50th anniversary of Eisenhower's meeting with extraterrestrials, and whether an official disclosure announcement is likely in the near future.

-----Circumstantial Evidence Supporting 'First Contact' Meeting with Ets-----
There is circumstantial and testimonial evidence supporting "Ike's" meeting with ETs and the start of a series of meetings that culminated in the signing of a Greada Treaty with a different group of ETs. The most intriguing are circumstances surrounding Ike's alleged winter vacation to Palm Springs, California from February 17-24, 1954.

First, the "vacation for the President" was announced rather suddenly and came less than a week after his 'quail shooting' vacation in Georgia. According to UFO researcher, William Moore, all this was quite unusual and suggested that there was more to the one week visit to Palm Springs than a simple holiday. [2]

Secondly, on Saturday night of February 20, 1954, President Eisenhower did "go missing"--fueling press speculation that he had taken ill or even died. In a hastily convened press conference, Eisenhower's Press Secretary announced that Eisenhower had lost a tooth cap while eating fried chicken and had to be rushed to a local dentist. A local dentist was introduced at an official function on Sunday February 21, as "the dentist who had treated the president". [3] Moore's investigation of the incident concluded that the dentist's visit was being used as a cover story for Eisenhower's true whereabouts.

Consequently, Eisenhower was missing for an entire evening and could easily have been taken from Palm Springs to the nearby Muroc Airfield [later renamed Edwards Air Force Base]. The unscheduled nature of the President's vacation, the missing President and the dentist cover story provide circumstantial evidence that the true purpose of his Palm Springs vacation was for him to attend an event whose importance was such that [--NSA felt--ed} it could not be disclosed to the general public. A meeting with ETs may well have been the true purpose of his visit.

-----Gerald Light's Letter-----

that Eisenhower Met With Ets.--The first public source alleging a meeting with ETs was Gerald Light who in a letter dated April 16, 1954, to Meade Layne, then Director of Borderland Sciences Research Associates (now Foundation), claimed he was part of a delegation of community leaders to an alleged meeting with ETs at Edwards Air Force Base.

In a subsequent article, Meade Layne described Light as a "gifted and highly educated writer and lecturer", who was skilled both in clairvoyance and the occult. [4] Light was a well-known metaphysical community leader in the Southern California area. The alleged purpose of him and others on the delegation was to test public reaction to the presence of ETs. Light described the circumstances of the meeting as follows:

"My dear friends: I have just returned from Muroc [Edwards Air Force Base]. The report is true -- devastatingly true!

"I made the journey in company with Franklin Allen of the Hearst papers and Edwin Nourse of Brookings Institute (Truman's erstwhile financial advisor) and Bishop MacIntyre of L.A. (confidential names for the present, please). When we were allowed to enter the restricted section (after about six hours in which we were checked on every possible item, event, incident and aspect of our personal and public lives).

I had the distinct feeling that the world had come to an end with fantastic realism. For I have never seen so many human beings in a state of complete collapse and confusion, as they realized that their own world had indeed ended with such finality as to beggar description. The reality of the 'other plane' aeroforms is now and forever removed from the realms of speculation and made a rather painful part of the consciousness of every responsible scientific and political group.

During my two days' visit I saw five separate and distinct types of aircraft being studied and handled by our Air Force officials -- with the assistance and permission of the Etherians! I have no words to express my reactions. It has finally happened. It is now a matter of history. President Eisenhower--as you may already know--was spirited over to Muroc one night during his visit to Palm Springs recently. And it is my conviction that he will ignore the terrific conflict between the various 'authorities' and go directly to the people via radio and television -- if the impasse continues much longer. From what I could gather, an official statement to the country is being prepared for delivery about the middle of May. "[5]

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Of course no such formal announcement was made, and Light's supposed meeting has either been the best-kept secret of the twentieth century or the fabrication of an elderly mystic known for out of body experiences. The events Light describes in his meeting in terms of the panic and confusion of many of those present, the emotional impact of the alleged landing, and the tremendous difference of opinion on what to do in terms of telling the public and responding to the extraterrestrial visitors, are plausible descriptions of what may have occurred. Indeed, the psychological and emotional impact Light describes for senior national security leaders at the meeting is consistent with what could be expected for such a 'life changing event'. A further way of determining Light's claim is to investigate the figures he named along with himself as part of the community delegation, and whether they could have been plausible candidates for such a meeting.

Dr Edwin Nourse (1883-1974) was the first chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors to the President (1944-1953) and was President Truman's chief economic advisor. [6] Nourse officially retired to private life in 1953 and would certainly have been a good choice of someone who could give confidential economic advise to the Eisenhower administration. If Dr Nourse was present at such a meeting, he did so in order to provide his expertise on the possible economic impact of First Contact with extraterrestrials.

Another of the individuals mentioned by Light was Bishop MacIntyre. Cardinal James Francis MacIntyre was the bishop and head of the Catholic Church in Los Angeles (1948-1970) and would have been an important gauge for the possible reaction from religious leaders generally, and in particular from the most influential and powerful religious institution on the planet - the Roman Catholic Church. In particular, Cardinal MacIntyre would have been a good choice as a representative for the Vatican since he was appointed the first Cardinal of the Western United States by Pope Pius XII in 1952. All Cardinal MacIntyre's correspondence is closed to researchers thus making it impossible to confirm what impact the visit to Muroc had on him and what he communicated to other church leaders and the Vatican. [7] Cardinal MacIntyre had sufficient rank and authority to represent the Catholic Church and the religious community in a delegation of community leaders.

[The fact that the Vatican subsequently established its own astronomical observatory in the American southwest attests to the urgency with which Bishop MacIntyre's messages were met by the Vatican.--ed.]

The fourth member of the delegation of community leaders was Franklin Winthrop Allen, a former reporter with the Hearst Newspapers Group. [8] Allen was 80 years old at the time, author of a book instructing reporters on how to deal with Congressional Committee Hearings, and would have been a good choice for a member of the press who could maintain confidentiality.

The four represented senior leaders of the religious, spiritual, economic and newspaper communities and were well advanced in age and status. They would certainly have been plausible choices for a community delegation that could provide confidential advice on a possible public response to a First Contact event involving extraterrestrial races. Such a selection would have constituted a 'wise men' group that would have been entirely in character for the conservative nature of American society in 1954.


While Light may well contrived such a list in a fabricated account or 'out of body' experience as Moore implies in his analysis, there is nothing in Light's selection that eliminates the possibility that they were plausible members of such a delegation. [9] At face value then, the selection of such a 'wise men' group gives some credence to Light's claim.

It may be concluded then that following items all make up circumstantial evidence that a meeting with ETs occurred. The first is Eisenhower's missing night. The second is the weak 'cover story' used for his absence. The third is Light's description of actual events at the meeting in terms of the psychological and emotional impact of the described meeting which is consistent with what could be anticipated. The final is Light's description of the composition of community leaders or 'wise men' at the meeting. These four items collectively provide circumstantial evidence that a meeting with Ets is likely to have occurred and that Eisenhower was present.

-----Testimonies Supporting Ike's Meeting With Ets-----
There are a number of other sources alleging an ET meeting at Edwards Air Force Base that corresponded to a formal First Contact event. These sources are based on testimonies of 'whistleblowers' who witnessed documents or learned from their 'insider contacts' of such a meeting. These testimonies describe what appears to be two separate sets of meetings involving different ET groups who met either with President Eisenhower and/or with Eisenhower administration officials over a short period of time.

The first of these meetings--the actual 'First Contact' event--did not lead to an agreement and the ETs were effectively spurned. The second of these meetings did lead to an agreement, and this has been apparently become the basis of subsequent secret interactions with extraterrestrial races involved in the 'Greada Treaty' that was signed. There is some discrepancy in the sequence of meetings and where they were held, but all agree that a 'First Contact' meeting involving President Eisenhower did occur, and that one of these meetings occurred with his February 1954 visit to Edwards Air force base.

The first version of Eisenhower's meeting is described by one of the most 'controversial' whistleblowers to ever have come forward into the public arena to describe an ET presence. William Cooper served on the Naval Intelligence briefing team for the Commander of the Pacific Fleet between 1970-73, and had access to classified documents that he had to review in order to fulfill his briefing duties. He describes the background and nature of the 'First contact' with ETs as follows:

"In 1953 Astronomers discovered large objects in space which were moving toward the Earth. It was first believed that they were asteroids. Later evidence proved that the objects could only be Spaceships.

"Project Sigma intercepted alien radio communications. When the objects reached the Earth they took up a very high orbit around the Equator. There were several huge ships, and their actual intent was unknown. Project Sigma, and a new project, Plato, through radio communications using the computer binary language, was able to arrange a landing that resulted in face to face contact with alien beings from another planet. Project Plato was tasked with establishing diplomatic relations with this race of space aliens.

"In the meantime a race of human looking aliens contacted the U.S. Government. This alien group warned us against the aliens that were orbiting the Equator and offered to help us with our spiritual development. They demanded that we dismantle and destroy our nuclear weapons as the major condition. They refused to exchange technology citing that we were spiritually unable to handle the technology which we then possessed. They believed that we would use any new technology to destroy each other. This race stated that we were on a path of self destruction and we must stop killing each other, stop polluting the Earth, stop raping the Earth's natural resources, and learn to live in harmony.

"These terms were met with extreme suspicion, especially the major condition of nuclear disarmament. It was believed that meeting that condition would leave us helpless in the face of an obvious alien threat. We also had nothing in history to help with the decision. Nuclear disarmament was not considered to be within the best interest of the United States. The overtures were rejected." [10]

The significant point about Cooper's version is that the humanoid extraterrestrial race was not willing to enter into technology exchanges that might help weapons development, and instead was focused on spiritual development. Significantly, the overtures of these ETs were turned down.

-----Secondary Confirmation-----
That the First Contact meeting involving ETs effectively spurned them for taking what might be called "a principled stand on technology" assistance and nuclear weapons comes from the son of a former Navy Commander who claimed his father had been present at the First Contact event on February 20-21, 1954.

According to Charles L. Suggs, a retired Sergeant from the US Marine Corps, his father Charles L. Suggs, (1909-1987) was a former Commander with the US Navy who attended the meeting at Edwards Air force base with Eisenhower. [11] Sgt Suggs recounted his father's experiences from the meeting in a 1991 interview with a prominent UFO researcher:

"Charlie's father, Navy Commander Charles Suggs accompanied Pres. Ike along with others on Feb. 20th. They met and spoke with two white-haired Nordics that had pale blue eyes and colorless lips. The spokesman stood a number of feet away from Ike and would not let him approach any closer. A second Nordic stood on the extended ramp of a bi-convex saucer that stood on tripod landing gear on the landing strip. According to Charlie, there were B-58 Hustlers on the field even though the first one did not fly officially till 1956. These visitors said they came from another solar system. They posed detailed questions about our nuclear testing." [12]

Another 'whistleblower' who confirms that First Contact involved an extraterrestrial race being spurned for their principled stand on technology transfer is the son of the famous creator of the Lear Jet, William Lear. John Lear is a former Lockheed L-1011 Captain who flew over 150 test aircraft and held 18 world speed records, and during the late 1960's, 1970's and early 1980's was a contract pilot for the CIA. Lear developed a close relationship with CIA Director (DCI) William Colby who was in charge of covert operations in Vietnam before becoming DCI. According to Lear there had indeed been a warning from another race prior to an agreement being eventually signed, and he claimed they visited Muroc/Edward and the following occurred:

"In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology. "[13]

Cooper's and Lear's idea of more than one ET race interacting with the Eisenhower administration is supported by other whistleblowers such as former Master Sergeant Robert Dean who like Cooper, had access to top secret documents while working in the intelligence division for the Supreme Commander of a major US military command. In Dean's 27 year distinguished military career, he served at the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe where he witnessed these documents while serving under the Supreme Allied Commander of Europe. Dean claimed:

"The group at the time--there were just four that they knew of for certain--and the Greys were one of those groups. There was a group that looked exactly like we do. There was a human group that looked so much like us that that really drove the admirals and the generals crazy because they determined that these people, and they had seen them repeatedly, they had had contact with them, there had been abductions, there had been contacts... Two other groups, there was a very large group, I say large, they were 6-8 maybe sometimes 9 feet tall and they were humanoid, but they were very pale, very white, didn't have any hair on their bodies at all. And then there was another group that had sort of a reptilian quality to them. We had encountered them, military people and police officers all over the world have run into these guys. They had vertical pupils in their eyes and their skin seemed to have a quality very much like what you find on the stomach of a lizard. So those were the four they knew of in 1964." [14]

There is some discrepancy in the testimonials as to which Air force base the spurned ETs met with President Eisenhower and/or Eisenhower administration officials. Cooper claims this occurred at Homestead Air force base in Florida, and not Edwards. [15] On the other hand Lear and Suggs suggest it occurred at Edwards. In his letter, Gerald Light pointed to intense disagreement amongst Eisenhower officials in responding to the ETs at the Edwards AFB meeting. Such intense disagreement may predictably have occurred if national security officials were responding to an ET request to abandon the pursuit of weapons technologies. Given the intensity of the Cold War, the national security officials present may well have decided it was more prudent to seek better terms before agreeing to the ETs request. Light's testimony implies that the meeting at Edwards did not result in an agreement, but instead resulted in intense disagreement between Eishenhower officials. Consequently, I will conclude that the Lear and Suggs version is more accurate, and that the 'First Contact' meeting occurred at Edwards Air force base in February 20-21, 1954.

-----The Subsequent 1954 Agreement with Ets-----
According to the testimonies examined so far, the February 20-21, 1954 meeting was not successful, and the ETs were spurned due to their refusal to enter into technology exchanges and insistence on [OUR--ed] nuclear disarmament by the US and presumably other major world powers. Cooper describes the circumstances of a subsequent agreement that was reached after the failure of the first meeting. While Cooper has a different version of dates and times for the 1954 meetings, he agrees that there were two sets of meetings involving different ETs meeting with President Eisenhower and/or Eisenhower administration officials. [16]

Later in 1954 the race of large nosed Gray Aliens which had been orbiting the Earth landed at Holloman Air Force Base. A basic agreement was reached. This race identified themselves as originating from a Planet around a red star in the Constellation of Orion which we called Betelgeuse. They stated that their planet was dying and that at some unknown future time they would no longer be able to survive there. [17]

The meeting at Holloman Air force base in New Mexico has reportedly been the site of subsequent ET meetings with the same ETs who it will be shown signed the 1954 Greada Treaty. In 1972-73, for example, the producers Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler, had allegedly been offered and witnessed actual Air force film footage of a meeting involving Grey ETs that occurred at Holloman Air force base in 1971. [18] Cooper explained the terms of the 1954 Greada Treaty reached with the Grey ETs as follows:

"The Greada Treaty stated that the aliens would not interfere in our affairs and we would not interfere in theirs. We would keep their presence on earth a secret. They would furnish us with advanced technology and would help us in our technological development. They would not make any Greada Treaty with any other Earth nation.

"They could abduct humans on a limited and periodic basis for the purpose of medical examination and monitoring of our development; with the stipulation that the humans would not be harmed, would be returned to their point of abduction, would have no memory of the event, and that the alien nation would furnish Majesty Twelve with a list of all human contacts and abductees on a regularly scheduled basis. "[19]

Another whistleblower source for a Greada Treaty having been signed is Phil Schneider, a former geological engineer that was employed by corporations contracted to build underground bases. Schneider worked extensively on black projects involving ETs. He revealed his own knowledge of the Greada Treaty in the following:

"Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States and form a Treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Greada Treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens involved could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few human beings, but that they had to give details about the people involved." [20]

Schneider's knowledge of the Greada Treaty would have come from his familiarity with a range of compartmentalized black projects and interaction with other personnel working with ETs. Yet another whistleblower source for an agreement being signed is Dr Michael Wolf, who claims to have served on various policy-making committees responsible for extraterrestrial affairs for twenty-five years. [21] He claims that the Eisenhower administration entered into the Treaty with an ET race and that this Greada Treaty was never ratified as Constitutionally required. [22]

Significantly, a number of whistleblowers argue that the Greada Treaty that was signed involved some compulsion on the part of the ETs. Don Phillips is a former Air force serviceman and employee on clandestine aviation projects testified having seen documents describing the meeting between President Eisenhower and ETs, and the background to a subsequent agreement:

We have records from 1954 that were meetings between our own leaders of this country and ET's here in California. And, as I understand it from the written documentation, we were asked if we would allow them to be here and do research. I have read that our reply was well, how can we stop you? You are so advanced. And I will say by this camera and this sound, that it was President Eisenhower that had this meeting." [23]

Col Phillip Corso, a highly decorated officer that served in Eisenhower's National Security Council alluded to the Greada Treaty signed by the Eisenhower administration with ETs in his memoirs. He wrote:

"We had negotiated a kind of surrender with them [ETs] as long as we couldn't fight them. They dictated the terms because they knew what we most feared was disclosure." [24]

Corso's claim of a 'negotiated surrender' suggests that some sort of agreement or 'Treaty' was reached which he was not happy with.

-----What Do We Know of the Grey ETs that signed the Greada Treaty?-----
According to Cooper, the Grey ETs signing the Greada Treaty were not trustworthy:

"By 1955 it became obvious that the aliens had deceived Eisenhower and had broken the Greada Treaty.... It was suspected that the aliens were not submitting a complete list of human contacts and abductees to the Majesty Twelve and it was suspected that not all abductees had been returned. "[25]

Similarly, Lear argued that the Grey ETs quickly broke the Greada Treaty and could not be trusted:

"... a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from the aliens we would allow them to abduct a very small number of persons and we would periodically be given a list of those persons abducted. We got something less than the technology we bargained for and found the abductions exceeded by a millionfold than what we had naively agreed to." [26]

Other whistleblowers also suggested that the ETs who signed the Treaty with Eisenhower couldn't be trusted. Schneider claimed that despite the Greada Treaty's provisions on the number of humans who would be 'abducted' for experiments, "the aliens altered the bargain until they decided they wouldn't abide by it at all." [27]

As mentioned earlier, Col Phillip Corso similarly believed that ETs [with whom] Eisenhower's administration entered into agreements couldn't be trusted. Corso believed these forced a 'negotiated surrender' suggesting an ET agenda that was suspect. While General Douglas MacArthur didn't directly mention any government Treaty with ETs, he gave a famous warning in October 1955 suggesting that some ET presence existed that threatened human sovereignty:

"You now face a new world, a world of change. We speak in strange terms, of harnessing the cosmic energy, of ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy. . . . The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets." [28]

MacArthur may well have been alluding to the same ETs that Corso, Cooper and Lear believed had entered into an agreement with the Eisenhower administration. Significantly, reports of contacts with ETs began to change once the alleged Greada Treaty began to be implemented. The friendly 'space brothers' reports involving contactees of the 1950s changed as reports of abductions began to emerge after the first recorded case in 1961 involving Barney and Betty Hill:

Another apparent pattern that has occurred in Ufology is the dominance of the space brothers in the 1950's who were kind, interacted with people who became known as contactees, and took people for rides in their space crafts. This pattern changed dramatically with the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill in the early 1960's. The space brother human types of the 1950's seemed to fade away, and they were replaced in the UFO literature with another type of alien. In the early sixties the first abduction of the Hills began a new pattern where the aliens were grey "evil" aliens who would abduct people against their will and perform medical procedures on them. There were, as far as this author is aware no confirmed cases of "classic" abductions in the 1950's. Unlike the "good" space brothers of the 1950's these Grey aliens were described by all, who were unfortunate enough to have met with them, as being distant and without emotions." [29]

According to Wolf, the ETs were Greys from the fourth planet of the star system Zeta Reticulum, while Cooper claims they were tall Greys from Betelgeuse, Orion. Wolf's and Cooper's differing versions likely reflect a close relationship between Greys from Rigel and Betelguese, and that more than one species of ETs may have been covered in the Greada Treaty. Wolf has described the Greys as having positive motivations in regard to their presence on Earth, but have been inhibited and targeted by rogue elements in the US military. [30] Similarly, Robert Dean believes that ETs visiting Earth are friendly. [31] This contrasts with the testimonies of Cooper, Lear, Schneider, Corso and arguably even MacArthur over the true motivations of Greys. It is worth repeating Gerald Light's claim of a "terrific conflict between the various 'authorities'" on whether to inform the general public or not. It is likely that these differing perspectives on the motivations of the Greys reflected an uncertainty that has continued to intensely divide policy makers up to the present on how to best respond to the extraterrestrial presence and what to tell the general public. [32]

-----Maintaining Secrecy and Witness Credibility-----
The uncertainty over the motivations and behavior of the Grey ETs appears to have played a large role in the government decision not to disclose ETs' presence and the Greada Treaty Eisenhower signed with them. The following passage from an 'alleged official document' leaked to UFO researchers describes the official secrecy policy adopted in April 1954, two months after Eisenhower had 'First Contact' with ETs who were spurned by the Eisenhower administration:

"Any encounter with entities known to be of extra-terrestrial origin is to be considered to be a matter of national security and therefore classified TOP SECRET. Under no circumstances is the general public or the public press to learn of the existence of these entities. The official government policy is that such creatures do not exist, and that no agency of the federal government is now engaged in any study of ETs or their artifacts. Any deviation from this stated policy is absolutely forbidden. "[33] [Lies, lies and more lies--ed.]

Penalties for disclosing classified information concerning ETs are quite severe. In December 1953, the Joint Chiefs of Staff issued Army-Navy-Air Force publication 146 that made the unauthorized release of information concerning UFOs a crime under the Espionage Act, punishable by up to 10 years in prison and a $10,000 fine. [34] According to Robert Dean, this draconian penalty is what prevents most former military servicemen from coming forward to disclose information. [35]

The strategies for dealing with those former servicemen, corporate employees or witnesses brave or 'foolish' enough to come forward to reveal classified information is to intimidate, silence, eliminate or discredit these individuals. This policy involves such strategies as removing all public records of former military service men or corporate employees, forcing individuals to make retractions, deliberately distorting statements of individuals, or discrediting individuals. Bob Lazar, for example, claimed to be a former physicist employed with reverse engineering extraterrestrial craft. He described the disappearance of all his university and public records indicating how military-intelligence agencies actively discredit whistleblowers. [36]

In cases of witnesses cited so far--Cooper, Schneider, Lear, Wolf--all have been subjected to some or all of these strategies, thereby making it difficult for anyone to reach firm conclusions about their testimonies. Since the creation of controversy, uncertainty, and confusion is the modus operandi of military-intelligence agencies in maintaining secrecy of the extraterrestrial presence, then the testimonies of former officials/employees/witnesses need to be considered on their merits. While issues of credibility, credentials, dis-information are important in the study of the extraterrestrial presence, a rigorous methodology for dealing with the efforts of military-intelligence agencies to discredit, intimidate or create controversy around particular witnesses, has yet to be developed.

For example, numerous efforts to discredit Cooper in particular by referring to inconsistencies in his statements, retractions, egregious behavior and stated positions, may be due in part or in whole to the policy of military-intelligence officials to discredit and/or intimidate Cooper from leaking classified information that he may very well have witnessed in his official capacities. Since Cooper's military record does indicate he did serve in an official capacity on the briefing team of the Commander of the Pacific Fleet, it is most likely that much of his testimony is credible. Whatever inaccuracies exist in terms of his recollections of the timing of meetings between the Eisenhower administration and ETs may either have been due to memory lapses or perhaps deliberately introduced as a self-protective mechanism.

It has been pointed out by some 'whistleblowers' that making retractions or sowing inaccuracies in testimonies is sometimes essential in disseminating information without being physically harmed. [37] The controversial Cooper had been subjected to undoubtedly the longest and most intense military-intelligence efforts to discredit or intimidate any whistleblower revealing classified information. [until they finally killed him in 2001].

The non-disclosure policy developed for the ET presence is most likely due to a profound policy dilemma on the part of responsible national security officials. This dilemma comes from uncertainty over what the true benefits of the purported 1954 Greada Treaty were, and what the consequences of the Treaty would be. While the signing of the Greada Treaty provided US national security agencies an opportunity to study ET technologies, and to observe the ET biological program with abducted civilians, it appeared the Treaty was not as beneficial as was first thought due to excessive abductions of US civilians.

The subsequent behavior of Greys in their interactions with US national security agencies was the most likely reason for deferring a decision to release news of the Greada Treaty and the ET presence to the global public. According to Lights' testimony, Eisenhower had indicated to those present on February 20-21, 1954, that an announcement would be made soon after the First Contact event. Since this didn't occur, and the Greada Treaty was eventually signed with a different group of ETs--the Greys--this suggested that the national security agencies were deeply divided over the wisdom of disclosing this information, and alarmed by the possible public reaction to the Grey activities.

At his farewell speech in 1961, President Eisenhower was possibly alluding to the growing power of national security agencies that dealt with the extraterrestrial presence and were gaining great power as a result of the dilemma over what to do with the ET presence:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together. "

If the President was dissatisfied with the non-disclosure of the ET presence, then his speech was indicating that the responsible national security agencies were both dominating public policy and taking a 'hard-line approach' that was inconsistent with American democratic ideals.

In the subsequent decades, it appears that on a number of occasions, official disclosure was seriously contemplated. For example, Robert Emenegger and Allan Sandler claimed they were approached by the Pentagon in 1972 to produce an officially sanctioned video that would be used for official public disclosure of the ET presence. When the offer was later withdrawn, the reason given was that the time was no longer suitable due to the Watergate Scandal. While it is undoubtedly true that political factors would impact on making a formal disclosure announcement, it is more likely the case that non-disclosure was caused by lack of clarity over what the true motivations of the ETs were, and the impact an announcement would have on ET activities. Making any announcement of the ET presence would naturally have lead to questions concerning their motivations and activities. If officials couldn't agree on appropriate answers, they most likely decided that it was better to defer disclosure rather than threaten national security by making inaccurate announcements.

The precise nature of ET abductions and medical programs implemented by Greys has been extensively researched and discussed by a number of UFO researchers. Their conclusions vary widely, suggesting that the deep disagreement among private UFO researchers over the motivations and activities of the Greys very likely mirrors of official government sources. [38] As long as such uncertainty continues, it appears that disclosure may continue to be deferred until key global events no longer makes the non-disclosure policy viable.

-----Conclusion-----
An examination of the evidence presented in this paper in terms of whistleblower or witness testimonies raises tremendous problems in terms of coming to a conclusive opinion over:

first, the truth of the alleged 'First Contact' meeting between Eisenhower and ETs;
secondly, claims of more than one set of ETss meeting with the Eisenhower administration; and
third, the various policy issues that arise from the meetings and subsequent Greada Treaty that was allegedly signed.--not to mention--
fourth, the life outcomes that have occurred for humanity in terms of perceived safety and for ETs in terms of viability on this planet and desirability of their continued presence. Are they an invading force, or are they a cooperative force? After 50 years, we ought to be able to see and judge for ourselves, what have ETs wrought, here?
Most perplexing is how to view the testimonies of whistleblowers who appear sincere, positively motivated and have plausible stories, yet are plagued by controversy, allegations of fraud, inconsistency and other irregularities. Due to the official secrecy policy adopted towards the extraterrestrial presence, it may be concluded that some if not most of the controversy surrounding these individuals has been caused by military-intelligence agencies intent on discrediting whistleblower or witness testimonies. [But at this point, why is our data still limited to second-hand sources?--ed]

While there continues to be uncertainty caused by the controversy surrounding whistleblower testimonies and the role of military-intelligence agencies in generating this controversy, the bulk of evidence points to a 'First Contact' meeting having occurred during Eisenhower's Palm Spring vacation on February 20-21, 1954. The testimonies suggest that ETs in the First Contact event, a race of tall 'Nordics' were spurned due to their reluctance to provide advanced technology in an agreement. A subsequent meeting and Greada Treaty was then signed with a different group of ETs, commonly called Greys, who did not have the same reluctance in exchanging their technology as part of an agreement.

Most available evidence that has found its way into the public arena suggests that the ET race with whom the Greada Treaty was signed--the Greys--are at best an enigma and at worst simply untrustworthy in their treatment of abducted civilians. The subsequent shift in witness reports from friendly ET 'contacts' to disturbing 'abductions', suggest that the Eisenhower administration had signed a Treaty with ETs whose motivations and activities are an enigma as far as the general public interest is concerned. The activities of the Grey ETs apparently continues to raise uncertainty for US national security agencies in terms of an appropriate strategic response. [39] On the contrary, the friendly Nordic 'space brothers' faded from the scene since the Eisenhower administration saw them as not sufficiently motivated to serve the technological and strategic goals of US national security agencies.

The question of when disclosure of the Greada Treaty signed by Eisenhower and of the ET presence might occur is one that has long been anticipated. A recent economic event might be a signal that some form of disclosure is possible in the near future. According to Craig Copetas, Bloomberg News correspondent in Paris, the World Economic Forum at Davos Switzerland from January 21-25, 2004, discussed ETs at one or more closed sessions. In a story published on January 21, Copetas claimed that "forum officials maintain their five-day program on Partnering for Security and Prosperity requires an unambiguous examination of ET presence on Earth." [40] The Davos Forum is a gauge for trends in the global economy and discusses various topics that have a long term effect on business. The inclusion of conspiracy theories of an ET presence and technologies on the formal agenda has significance well beyond the hypothetical nature of the discussion. Various national governments may well be tacitly letting the word out to their 'friends in the business community', that they had better start exploring how a future disclosure of an ET presence and technologies will influence the business world. Given the discussion at Davos on January 21, 2004, of a possible ET, and the forthcoming 50th anniversary of Eisenhower's Greada Treaty on February 20-21, it might be speculated that a disclosure announcement may soon be made.

As we approach the 50th anniversary of a First Contact meeting between the US and an ET races, we must do so with wonder at the awesome nature of this occasion. At the same time, we must do whatever necessary to make public the full details of the meeting. The apparent spurning of what appears to be a principled ET race that rejected technology transfers while dangerous weapons programs were in place in the US and elsewhere on the planet. The subsequent signing of a Greada Treaty at a later date with an ET race willing to trade technology in exchange for 'limited medical experiments' with civilians will surely go down in history as a deeply significant event whose effects continues to reverberate through human society. Finally, we must be alert to the mounting evidence that while a Greada Treaty was signed after the 1954 'First Contact' event, it may well have been with the 'wrong ETs', and that this might adversely impact on humanity if not dealt with in an open, transparent and truthful manner. We live on the verge of a bold new future with many uncertainties over the secrecy surrounding the ET presence, what best prepares us as this information enters into the public arena are our faith, democratic values, and dedication to truth.

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ENDNOTES

[1] I sincerely thank H.M for his generous support of my research and providing the intellectually stimulating environment for many of the ideas in the paper to be developed. Grateful thanks also to George Arnold and two other librarians at American University's Main Library who provided research assistance. I am also grateful to William Hamilton for permission to cite his personal notes of a 1991 interview with Sgt Charles L. Suggs. Finally thanks to Clay and Shawn Pickering for arranging interviews with individuals who had personal knowledge of meetings between the Eisenhower administration and extraterrestrials.

[2] William Moore, "UFO's: Exploring the ET Phenomenon," Gazette (Hollywood, CA., March 29, 1989). Available online at: http://www.presidentialufo.com/ike&the.htm

[3] William Moore, "UFO's: Exploring the ET Phenomenon," http://www.presidentialufo.com/ike&the.htm

[4] John Spencer, "Light, Gerald," The UFO Encyclopedia: Inexplicable Sightings, Alien Abductions, Close Encounters, Brilliant Hoaxes (Avon Books, 1991) 188.

[5] "A Covenant With Death by Bill Cooper," http://www.alienshift.com/id40.html Also in William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse (Light Technology Publishing 1991), 203.

[6] For biographical details on "Edwin G. Nourse, Ph.D. (1883-1974)" go to: http://www.coopheroes.org/inductees/nourse.html

[7] For closure of Cardinal McIntyre's records, see regulations governing access to the Los Angeles Catholic Archives http://www.archivalcenter.org/Archival_ ... rcreg.html

[8] Franklin Winthrop Allen was author of Instructions for Reporters for Hearings Before the Interstate Commerce Committee (Dispatch Press, 1918).

[9] See William Moore, "UFO's: Exploring the ET Phenomenon," http://www.presidentialufo.com/ike&the.htm

[10] Cooper, "Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12," http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowl ... ji007.html

[11] Personal notes from Bill Hamilton from a 1991 interview with Sgt Suggs.

[12] Personal notes from William Hamilton from a 1991 interview with Sgt Suggs. See also William Hamilton, Cosmic Top Secret (Inner Light, 1992).

[13] "John Lear Disclosure Briefing," Coast to Coast Radio (November, 2003) http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/11/02.html

[14] 21st Century Radio's Hieronimus & Co. "Transcript of Interview with Bob Dean, March 24, 1996," http://www.planetarymysteries.com/hiero ... bdean.html . See also Larry Lowe, "Perspective on Robert O. Dean: Let's Listen to the Man," (CNI News, 1995) http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r110199j.html

[15] Milton William Cooper, "Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12," http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowl ... ji007.html . See also Cooper, Behold A Pale Horse, 202.

[16] Milton William Cooper, "Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12," http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowl ... ji007.html

[17] Milton William Cooper, "Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12," http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowl ... ji007.html

[18] "1972 Film Disclosure Offer," http://www.presidentialufo.com/disclosure_72-75.htm

[19] Milton William Cooper, "Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12," http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowl ... ji007.html, also in Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse, 203-04.

[20] Phil Schneider, "MUFON Conference Presentation, 1995," available online at: http://www.anomalous-images.com/text/schneid.html

[21] See Chris Stoner, 'The Revelations of Dr Michael Wolf on the UFO Cover Up and ET Reality," (October 2000) http://www3.mistral.co.uk/futurepositive/mdrwolf.htm

[22] See Richard Boylan, "Official Within MJ-12 UFO-Secrecy Management Group Reveals Insider Secrets," http://www.drboylan.com/wolfdoc2.html

[23] "Testimony of Don Phillips," Disclosure, ed., Stephen Greer (Crossing Point, 2001) 379

[24] Phillip Corso, The Day After Roswell (Pocket Books, 1997) 292.

[25] Milton William Cooper, "Origin, Identity, and Purpose of MJ-12," http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowl ... ji007.html, also in Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse, 209.

[26] "John Lear Disclosure Briefing," Coast to Coast Radio (November, 2003) http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/11/02.html

[27] Phil Schneider, MUFON Conference Presentation, 1995, available online at: http://www.anomalous-images.com/text/schneid.html

[28] "UFO Quotes by Astronauts and Cosmonauts," http://ufos.my100megs.com/ufoquotes.htm

[29] "'Good' versus 'Bad Alien', http://www.presidentialufo.com/good_bad_alien.htm

[30] See Chris Stoner, 'The Revelations of Dr Michael Wolf on the UFO Cover Up and ET Reality," (October 2000) http://www3.mistral.co.uk/futurepositive/mdrwolf.htm

[31] 21st Century Radio's Hieronimus & Co. "Transcript of Interview with Bob Dean, March 24, 1996," http://www.planetarymysteries.com/hiero ... bdean.html

[32] For description of Wolf's association with the Greys, see Chris Stoner, 'The Revelations of Dr Michael Wolf on the UFO Cover Up and ET Reality," (October 2000) http://www3.mistral.co.uk/futurepositive/mdrwolf.htm

[33] Majestic 12 Group, "Special Operations Manual, SOM1-01 - Extraterrestrial Entities and Technology, Recovery and Disposal," April 1954 Part 2 http://209.132.68.98/pdf/som101_part2.pdf

[34] 21st Century Radio's Hieronimus & Co. "Transcript of Interview with Bob Dean, March 24, 1996," http://www.planetarymysteries.com/hiero ... bdean.html

[35] See 21st Century Radio's Hieronimus & Co. "Transcript of Interview with Bob Dean, March 24, 1996," http://www.planetarymysteries.com/hiero ... bdean.html

[36] "Bob Lazar on the Billy Goodman Happening" December 20, 1989 http://www.swa-home.de/lazar3.htm

[37] Author interviews with anonymous whistleblowers.

[38] See Michael Salla, "Disinformation, Extraterrestrial Subversion & Psychological Reductionism - A Reply to Dr Richard Boylan," www.exopolitics.org January 7, 2004. http://exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-11.htm

[39] For discussion of US strategy in dealing with extraterrestrials, see Michael Salla, The Failure of Power Politics as a Strategic Response to the Extraterrestrial Presence - Developing Human Capacity as a Viable Global Defense Strategy, www.exopolitics.org (January 1, 2004). http://www.exopolitics.org/Study-Paper-7.htm

[40] A. CRAIG COPETAS, "Extraterrestrial edge helps the balance sheet," Bloomberg News (01/21/04). Available online at: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mp ... ss/2365195

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George Bush Senior (39) refused Jimmy Carter's initial request for access. Yet later on allowed him access because Carter wasn't going to take no for an answer. GB Senior was Central Intelegence Chief at the time. Carter went around him..


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Alien threat now confirmed. Nuclear silos were neutralized. Yes.. it is all falling appart for the corporate military intelligence PSYWAR's crowd. They are loosing the battle to keep Cosmic Top Secret Intelligence under wraps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H82KV2Gfq0A

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George Bush Senior (39) refused Jimmy Carter's initial request for access. Yet later on allowed him access because Carter wasn't going to take no for an answer. GB Senior was Central Intelegence Chief at the time. Carter went around him..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPfAggS_ ... re=related


Hey Phatman!
Wow!! Video deleted!!!! You must have hit something they don't want us to know!!!
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Not only did they delete that video they also deleted another video which "PROVES" Nazi Scientists were taken from and Under ground facility in Poland during the last days of the WWII. This underground facility showed a facility which was going to be used to CLONE GENETICALLY ENHANCED HUMAN HYBRIDS. These Scientists were spirited off to the US before the Russian found out about this place. The name of the Project was called Janus.

This proves that those scientists came to this country and kept on going with this project. These people are super pissed off at me. They have assaulted me personally. They have used chemicals to assault me and continue to do so. I have been assaulted psychically as well. These people are about to loose the information war. No longer will lies be the tone of the day. No longer will they be able to get away from those who are trained in remote viewing. I am going to tell you something that I have never told anyone before. I know they plan to kill me.

I believe that we are on the Virge of exposing the bases on the moon, the bases on mars. The Lifeboats that can carry thousands of people off world. They are not longer human. They are something new. They are smarter, taller, and they don't like us because we are not part of their plan. Here for the first time I will tell you that they are planning to murder the inhabitants of the world just so they can start fresh.

They engineered the economic collapse. They tried to allow Nuclear to be brought in so as to allow several to explode in shipyards. They knew they were here and they did nothing. I used remote viewing to see why they planned this attack. This attack would have instituted martial law. Then they would have chipped each and every one of us. All monies would have been replaced by the chips in your fingers and with a retinal scan. They still plan to do this. They are trying to engineer the next attack using and manipulating the truth. I only wish I copied the Project Janus video... It is all falling apart for them... Its to late.. All of their plans are falling apart and they don't know what to do because more and more people are coming out and telling their stories.

I have said this many times. The LIGHT is the truth. The truth is the LIGHT. They live in darkness and they love the darkness because their deeds are evil and they love to cause chaos and destruction. They will fight and they will loose. Their first battle will be with the economy. It will crumble. I say this without reservation. If you have the means invest in some silver coins. Invest in self sufficiency anything that can pull yourself off the grid.

Their are 600... count them 600 independent groups of researchers working on cold fusion. They have done everything in their power to stop cold fusion because it means that they would loose their ability to inflict slavery on everyone. We are a slave to their energy.. To this I say support your independent researchers. They called Nicola Tesla a Quack. The called him and fruitcake. He was to first to design circuits that would use Maxwell's original quaternion equations to make circuits with negative resistance. I am telling you that these people stole his work and have kept it from the public at large and they wield so much power that they they have swayed people at the National Science Foundation and many other organizations which they fund not to publish this information.

I will also tell you they are behind the lies which says all U1 Group Symmetry Electrodynamics which governs the reactions in chemistry are false. If and only if "TIME IS AS FLAT AS THE EARTH", then and only is U1 symmetry correct. In fact it was proven incorrect in 1959 by to Nobel Prize Winning researchers Dr Lee and Dr Yang who won the NOBEL PRIZE FOR NOTING THE ASYMETRY IN THE SOURCE CHARGE IN A HYDROGEN ATOM ! This means that if you can bend time, and they know how to, the 5 laws of thermodynamics are A LIE, DOGMA, A SHAM.

Next we come to the Keely Water Engine. Its patent is hidden from
public view and its mode of operation is still a mystery to some. It was called a perpetual motion machine. This will be another first, it was the first motor to display that the laws of thermodynamics are false. It was the first engine to make use of the same principals that Dr Lee and Yang won the Nobel prize for. The shock to the nuclei of the water molecules made the move apart but when they moved back together they released at at least am order of magnitude more energy when they moved back together.

http://www.svpvril.com/JKMot2.html

This and many other technologies are the visitors willing to share with us if we only knock the parasites off our backs. Their agenda is clear. We need to move toward the LIGHT and move away from darkness. If we do not we will not be accepted. If they wanted to, they could have destroyed us many times over. The video they took down only proves that they are afraid and they are willing to stop at nothing to stop the CHILDREN OF THE LIGHT.

COME FORTH ALL YE CHILDREN OF THE LIGHT... Know that the LIGHT will be with you as it is with me...

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Going to the original subject line. "The Alien Threat" They are the genetically enhanced "Alien Threat". I can tell you that anyone with two diametrically opposed radio signals can create a Scalar Wave. That wave can penetrate solid material with NO LOSS ! This can disrupt fissile material to cause a Nuclear Reaction. The VISITORS COULD HAVE EXPLODED EVERY SINGLE NUKE UNDERGROUND ! What did they do instead ? They disarmed the NUKES. If these visitors are so evil then why did they disarm them instead of causing them to explode ? This is what they really don't want you to know. THEY ARE THE ALIEN THREAT. THE CHILDREN OF DARKNESS ARE THE THREAT TO THE SURVIVAL OF US ALL !!!!!

I can build a device which could set of Nukes. This is what the Soviets did accidentally when the set off the materials at Chernobyl. This is what they don't want you to know... This information and their lies are being exposed. As you read this they are panic stricken wondering what to do.

There will be a new world order.. It will be an order of LIGHT AND TRUTH AND HOPE AND BROTHERHOOD OF ALL MANKIND.. Not the new species...

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This is for all my homies of the LIGHT..

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Not only did they delete that video they also deleted another video which "PROVES" Nazi Scientists were taken from and Under ground facility in Poland during the last days of the WWII. This underground facility showed a facility which was going to be used to CLONE GENETICALLY ENHANCED HUMAN HYBRIDS. These Scientists were spirited off to the US before the Russian found out about this place. The name of the Project was called Janus.
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Speaking of Germany on Hitler Era /STS

Some pictures on Rense:

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http://www.rense.com/grm/htgrm2.htm

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IF our Government thinks that they can hide the Nazi UFO's data they are completely mistaken. We know that they took top Nazi Scientists from all fields.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xj_noNv ... xt_from=PL

This is one of the most damning pieces of evidence I have seen in regards to anti-gravity propulsion.

WE KNOW ! This isn't fiction this is real. Our government must come clean. To do so they would also have to admit that much of the Nazi technology was channeled by psychics who opened astral gates to realms which cross the borders of mythology and science.

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Did the Nazi broker deals to the US Government to continue research in Antarctica outside the prying eyes of the people of the world ? Was the technology channeled from the Nephilim and did they broker a similar deal to give technology to the US Government in exchange for genetically enhanced bodies to be their vehicle into this realm ? Is certain parts of the US Government Luciferian and has these Nephilim convinced them that they too can live forever possessing one body like a parasite ? Have they perfected the transference of the essence of one soul into other bodies ? Has the US Government Black Projects become a damnation to us all ? Who is really behind the Black Projects ? Who is really behind the men at the very top ? Are they not the Nephilim who fell from the realm of Light ? The prefer darkness because they are the reflection of the beast. They who claim to be gods who create themselves anew and plan to enslave everyone and those who do not bow will be shown no mercy ?

We know about the blackest agendas. It is one which murders the world and chips all its subjects. They install GPS in every electronic device so that you can be dealt with at any time by the black forces of the New World Order. These guises which they show to those who control the monies don't even know who are their real masters. They have been with us since the beginning. They cover themselves with aprons showing that they are the children of darkness. Adam and Eve also covered themselves with aprons to cover themselves because they had fallen from grace. Tubal-Cain who was said to be the First Mason was said to have worn the first apron to signify the mark that was set upon his fathers. Nimrod also wore the apron to signify that he was a god. His temple to Babel was built so he could escape any flood and if he built it high enough in the place that was intended he would reopen the astral gate to once again allow the Nephilim through to give him immortality.

History repeats itself.. because we have not learned to rid ourselves of the children of darkness. They create chaos to generate the antithesis, they proclaim its evils so as to provide the thesis. They then provide a solution which is their synthesis. This is how we have been manipulated since the beginning of time.

This apron is still significant in that it symbolizes the missing phallus of Osiris. Alister Crowley who was a murderer and sodomizer of young boys, practiced the ritual sex magic to open astral gates to the realms of the Nephilim. Homosexuality amongst the SS was also a commonplace. These instances are not ad hoc happenstance. This is the Ugly Secret of Masonry. This sodomy sex magic of youth is called the "Royal Secret" in Masonic traditions. It has been passed down by the Adepts in Masonry since Tubal-Cain.

When you look down the rabbit hole you see the ugly creatures of darkness who pay homage to the beast. The cult of the black sun which is only a reflection of the True Light disguised to trick those who will be so foolish as to bow to false gods.

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Ask yourselves.. Will the US Government ever come forward with the truth ?

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Someone asked me to provide a link to information I found on the Pink Swastika.

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:AM ... =firefox-a

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There is also a clear connection between the "Knights of Malta" "Opus Dei" and Catholic Church. Through the Churches / Jesuits power and influence, they helped many war criminals escape Justice and smuggle them out of Germany. Why would the Catholic Church smuggle war criminals out of Germany ? Was it because of their connection with their true beliefs i.e. Luciferian.. Black Sun Cult ? If their is a connection to religious beliefs then can I prove such a connection. Yes... The Catholic Church on the outside looks like a Christian Organization. Deep within the church however, is the brotherhood of darkness. They are totally given over to becoming gods on earth. Look at the court of the pine cone which is symbolic of the pineal gland in which they use for occult purposes.

Opus Dei link
http://www.whale.to/b/knights_q.html

Cortico of the Pine Cone and its symbolism
http://www.wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Occult_symbolism_XI

Connection of the SS to the Pineal / Connection to the CIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnICp1Oge6k

Just who knows how deep this conspiracy goes.. I do.. I could tell you more but it is more than even I can believe...

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More on the Pineal and the connection to the Catholic Church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToOyispu ... re=related

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Phatman wrote:
When you look down the rabbit hole you see the ugly creatures of darkness who pay homage to the beast. The cult of the black sun which is only a reflection of the True Light disguised to trick those who will be so foolish as to bow to false gods.


I just want to mention, since Shady takes great pleasure to point out how interesting is the Star Wars story created by George Lucas in relation to some esoteric knowledge. And also since Phatman mentions the Black Sun worshipper...

In the Star Wars book series...there is a book, which is the story of the year between The Empire Strikes Back and The Return of the Jedi.
Between those two movies that everyone knows about, there is one forgotten year.

The book, The Shadows of the Empire, is about this year. The book tells about Prince Xizor, who controls the largest criminal organization of the galaxy. This organization is called...yes...The Black Sun. Who is Prince Xizor?....a large, extremely dangerous and intelligent reptilian...

just saying...

Oh, and by the way, Phatman (or anyone), I don't know if you heard of the book: The Ancient Teaching Of The Flower Of Life by Drunvalo Melchizedek. I think you might enjoy it. Very deep esoteric info...some about the pineal gland.

Here it is: http://enlightenedawareness.wetpaint.co ... er+of+Life

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Are you aware of the Jesuit connection between Jacobus von Hauck, the Archbishop of Bamberg, and Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler? Do you know that the Canon to Munich Archbishop Michael von Faulhaber, was Wilhelm August Patin who was not only a Dominican priest and an SS officer, but was Himmler's cousin? With the oversight of these highly trained priests, the 28 year-old Reichsfuhrer Himmler patterned the SS after the Jesuit Order.

Now here is the kicker. My mother worked at a Catholic Retreat house which catered exclusively to the Jesuit Order. After helping her out a few times in the kitchen and serving, it became clear that the majority of these guys also wore the Pink Swastika. I believe that the values the SS had were very similar to what the Jesuits today have. I have never met nastier bunch of intellectuals with continual references to the phallus.

So the next question is did the Catholic Church help Hitler escape like many others high in the SS ? From my reading their is a definite connection to Opus Dei / Money / and UFO's. Point in fact. I have read that the Vatican has funded 51% of all earth observatories. Why pray tell ? Who controls the images which can or cannot be published ? UFO's, Oversight, Jesuit Oder... SS... US Government and other high corporate interests. In this way they control the horizontal.. They control the vertical.. and we are on the outer limits... Seeing only what they want us to see...

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Here is another jewel I found which ices the cake..

The naked truth is that the Jesuit Order ran all the intelligence agencies during what I call the Pope's Second Thirty Years' War (1914-1945). These agencies included the OSS, the NKVD, the RSHA including the SD and Gestapo, the British MI5 and MI6, and every other lesser intelligence gathering service. This means, of course, that FDR, Churchill, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Petain, et. al.., ALL WORKED TOGETHER for the intended purposes of the War, three of them being the destruction of the European Jews; the destruction of apostate Protestant Prussia; and the establishment of "the Kingdom of Jerusalem," as the promised land was called during the Pope's Dark Age, Holy Roman Empire. http://jahtruth.net/darth.htm

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Phatzy, Shady, Double D etc.,

Much of what you are writing about has a lot of truth to it. I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic grade school, high school and college. The college that I attended was a Jesuit college. Yeah, I know...WOOOOOOEEEEEE. I can honestly tell you that the education that I received was excellent and we spent a fair amount of time criticizing the Church for past sins. I was told the truth about celebacy (it was an economic decision) and I was told the truth about a lot of things including that the Jesuits started out as a "military order."

From these lessons, I decided that I was not cut out to be a Catholic. I also know that the Catholic in the street is far different from the nuts in Rome. Even the priests are different from those that hang out at the Vatican. When I was in school, there were more problems with priests dating parishioners than playing hide-the-salami in the rectory (Hmmm. Is that why it is called a rectory?). Be that as it may, I saw the Church change. I do not think that what is going on with the Church is as sinister as it has been painted. I do think that the Church is evil now and here's why.

Although it is not discussed in public much, the Catholic Church is now and has always been extremely competitive with the Jewish faith. When I say that, I do not mean that they hold the Jews responsible for killing Christ as some of the more Bible belt types are fond of stating. I mean that from its inception, the Catholic Church competed with the Jewish faith for followers. They have long had a grudge against the Jews because they now seem to be sitting where the Roman Catholic Church used to be in terms of money and influence.

During World War II, the Catholic Church did help the Nazis for a variety of reasons most of which they won't admit to, but in my opinion, it came down to the fact that they resented the Jewish influence over Europe particularly with setting up the punitive "reparations" after WWI. The Catholic Church did help to smuggle Nazis (the repentant ones and refugees of all kinds out of Germany.) In my opinion, many of the Nazis that they helped ended up hiding as priests particularly in South America. It is the only explanation that I can come up with for the sudden influx of gay/bisexual men into the priesthood around the world.

The beginning of the end of the Church traditions can be traced to WWII.
Now, do I personally belong to Opus Dei or attend my Church's services anymore? No, because even though I believe that there is a God, I am very sure that He was not a Catholic.

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Are you aware of the Jesuit connection between Jacobus von Hauck, the Archbishop of Bamberg, and Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler? Do you know that the Canon to Munich Archbishop Michael von Faulhaber, was Wilhelm August Patin who was not only a Dominican priest and an SS officer, but was Himmler's cousin? With the oversight of these highly trained priests, the 28 year-old Reichsfuhrer Himmler patterned the SS after the Jesuit Order.

Now here is the kicker. My mother worked at a Catholic Retreat house which catered exclusively to the Jesuit Order. After helping her out a few times in the kitchen and serving, it became clear that the majority of these guys also wore the Pink Swastika. I believe that the values the SS had were very similar to what the Jesuits today have. I have never met nastier bunch of intellectuals with continual references to the phallus.

So the next question is did the Catholic Church help Hitler escape like many others high in the SS ? From my reading their is a definite connection to Opus Dei / Money / and UFO's. Point in fact. I have read that the Vatican has funded 51% of all earth observatories. Why pray tell ? Who controls the images which can or cannot be published ? UFO's, Oversight, Jesuit Oder... SS... US Government and other high corporate interests. In this way they control the horizontal.. They control the vertical.. and we are on the outer limits... Seeing only what they want us to see...

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OMG, Phatz -

What an incredible summary! One for the ages. Needs to be stashed in some good online archive.

Thank you so much for compiling this!

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Also:

Keep talking, keep posting, dear Phatman - your truth is eternal, and we will have this record of your comments long after the PTB have silenced you, our dear brother.

Courage, dear brother. Your contribution is eternal.

All blessings and love,
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Phatman wrote:

So the next question is did the Catholic Church help Hitler escape like many others high in the SS ? From my reading their is a definite connection to Opus Dei / Money / and UFO's. Point in fact. I have read that the Vatican has funded 51% of all earth observatories. Why pray tell ? Who controls the images which can or cannot be published ? UFO's, Oversight, Jesuit Oder... SS... US Government and other high corporate interests. In this way they control the horizontal.. They control the vertical.. and we are on the outer limits... Seeing only what they want us to see...



There is much written of "Operation Paperclip" out there in the media and on the web. I will tell you that 95% of it is BS and out right fancyful run away imagination.

Fact the OSI for Runner of the C.I.A After World War II while Europe was still smoking from the bombings. Did infact recruit over 186,000 former high ranking officiers from the German Forces. NOT to save the Nazi Party or Philosophy but as possible agents against the NEW War namely that you call "The Cold War."

The United States well understood that a show down with the Soviet Union was coming as early as 1945, General such as Patten, Elisenhwheer (Ike) even McCather had all proposed plans to Truman for a ground invasion of Russia. That the United States while they were still capable of doing so should launch an invasion of the Soviet Union and nutrialize the threat. Truman (backed by the Illuminati) refused to listen. An thus the World was plunged into "The Cold War" the Nuclear Threat.

None the less the OSI/CIA did recruit warriors for that new war that was coming and what better source then those that had fought the Soviets in Europe. Namely the German and other conscripts Officers and Elite Core.

How do I know this??

Well its thanks to Operation Paper Clip I'm here in the USA. My Father got his Visa/Passport and paper work for the United States thanks to OSI who intervied him beliefly in the Post War "Displaced Persons" Red Cross Camp in Germany. I can talk about this now because my Mom and Dad are passed on.

My Dad was drafted in German occupied Lativa in 1943 and literally served in the war on the German vs Soviet Lines, He was Latvian Legion, (German SS division 19th and 18th were Latvian Legion) One of Germany's most Core and Elite Fighting Units, It was Lativan Legion that were were called to Berlin to defend it for 2 weeks against the USA and Soviet Combined Armies. Believe it or not 88 men of the Lativan Legion held off USA/RUSSIAN armies at Berlin for two weeks. It was Latvian Legion General that signed the former surrender of Germany to the USA. While the German Elite had all fled.. and Later at Nerumberg War Crimes Trials it was the Latvian SS Legioners that were the Court Guards (the ones in the silver helmits and white arm bands in documentries) that hung their former German commanders from the gallows for their War Crimes Against Humanity.

Latvian Legion [Sampolit Film]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H8TEVO1dxQ

Most of you guys and ladies growing up in the West have this MISCONCEPTION that all those Germans and SS were killers. Fact is 90% did not adhere to the German Nazi Propagenda nor were of the Nazi Party. They were just men and women caught up in Facist Power Germany or they fought out of misguided Nationalism, or in the case of Eastern Europe Nazi Germany was the ONLY protector against a fate much more worse then Nazi/Facist Germany a Soviet Red Communist Occupation. Don't forget that Soviet Russia killed 100 million of its own people out of spreading the "Communist Revolution"

Anyway I digress....

Yes Operation Paper Clip was REAL, Yes the United States recruted 186,000 former German High Raking Officiers and Soilders for the "New War" coming against the Soviet Union. Most of them as Intelligence Operatives Against the Soviet Union..What better an operative then someone that has experience fighting them... In other Cases Scientists such as Von Bauren to beef up American High Tech Military and POSSIBLIY gave the Americans Anti-Gravity UFOS...

Yet to say that the Americans saved the lives of High Ranking Hardcore Nazi's thats wrong.. The vast majority of Hard Core Nazi's rightfully hung from the gallows at Nuermberg and elsewhere after the war. SOME might of escaped the dragnet that fell across Europe after the War and SOME may and did in fact escape btw of Operation Paperclip.. slipping out of Europe and Into West UNDER the radar sort of speak.

Yet a vast majority of those that signed up for Operation Paperclip were CLEARED by OSI investigations follow the War, CLEARED of being Nazi dehards and of War Crimes.. It was the ONLY way one could get help from the Americans and out of Europe.

My dad was approached in the Refugee Camp by OSI, they introduced themselves as US Army Intelligence. Bribed him with two weeks of food, wine and gold back then a chocolate and smokes. Then invited him to the Office.

Dad told me the interview (with high ranking US Army present) was board table and they layed it out for him threw a interepter.. They were looking for Intelligence Operatives to fight Against the Soviets. In return his "paperwork" and "history" during the war would be 'disappeared' or 'erased' his family brought out of Soviet Occupied Lativa, He would be given a home and six figure saliery in America.

My Grandmom (dad's mom) was Russian herself so dad had grown up speaking perfect Russian as well as German and his Native Lativan. And while in the Lativan Legion had worked Intelligence Operations against the Soviets as well as Company Commander.

As my dad put it.

"It was tempting offer.. I had no home left my family were prisoners in Soviet Occupied Latvia my homeland gone. But as stood by window smoking my first American ciggeratte looking out of the camp across the Horizon.. You could literally still see the Smoke coming off the horizon from the sumdering bombed German cities. There were millions of us dead out there, I had lost friend after friend on the battle field.. Eastern Europe was no under the Fist of Commuinst Russa and the Americans sided with Soviets during the war.. they were partly responsable for the Occupation now across Eastern Europe! They partly responsable for Soviet Butchers 'ethinically cleansing' my homeland.... I thought about it and turned to them and said. "Fuck you! Europe is still burning and here you are bastards planning World War III!"

He slide the chocolate and smokes across the table to his OSI handler and threw the interpretor said.

"Thanks but no thanks.. I'm done with war and fighting. Do with me what you want. Send me to the Soviets, put me in prision, what ever... I don't really care. Because I've been threw hell. Thanks but no thanks.."

That was it he left not knowing what his fate would be..

Two weeks later in the camp his OSI handler came up to him and handed him a packet of papers, An American Passport, VISA, Job as truck driver for American Armed Forces. Another pack of smokes.. (lol this was before all the cancer scares) pass for extra food rations and better housing in the ever filling camp.

My dad looked up at him.

"I thought I told you guys NO!"

Handler...

"You did. You'll make a great American and perhaps one day after seeing the Freedom we're defend you'll reconsider."

And he walked away...

A month later my Father saw a Lativan Girl and her family enter the camp After a eight month steaming romance and three failed marriage proposals to her.. (lol mom was hard to get as she later said.. I had to be sure this flambount playboy was serious about US or just trying to take advantage of me! LOL ) She said yes.

Dad never accepted to position the OSI offered him, but five years later brought the family to United States.. I was born later in 1967. VERY Surprisingly though, at my Fathers wake in 1992 there was an elderaly gent that appeared in the crowd an American My brothers and I finally appoarched the man after services.. He introduced himself as former C.I.A In the conversation that followed he revealed himself as that Gentlmen in the camp that gave my dad the paperwork and gave us some VERY surprising information about my Fathers past life in Latvian Legion. (something he never revealed) and told us that it was in our best interests never to visit Russia with our last name. For the Russian armed forces well remember the damage inficted against them in Knovagrad by my Dad's panzer company. ... Dad had told us that he was a simple infintray man. *Gasp*

Dad was only 26 at the end of War Btw..


I will say this guys as you research Operation Paperclip on your own and say to yourselves "How could they! How Could the Americans and British give former German Officers and alike a new Life in the West!"

If they had not.. ALL of you British or American might have been Flying Communist Red Flags outside your home and you'd be speaking Russian under a Nightmarish world of Soviet Earth.. I'm serious!

Who knows you still might one day...

Just take a look at Russia TODAY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MrwV4cq12g


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