Brightstar and Waterlady put it best in my opinion they both said that Dan and Marci are nothing more then attension seeking child like personalities.

Its true!

This forum was going two months without mentioning them at all. The conversation flow had turned elsewhere and was developing into a grand conversation.


Then came the Kevin Smith Show. Where the public for the first time got a chance to state their opinion of dan and marci threw open lines.

Low and behold! What is the first thing dan and marci do after being on the show.

They attack this forum and its members for some how being responsable for them being laughed at.


They want attension nothing more. They want to be talked about constantly even if its negitive.

Two little childern on the play ground:

"Hi we're Dan and Marci! Watch us now Watch us we're special and important!... Your not watching!... Se watch us dance and play in the sandbox... YOUR NOT Watching.... See we're on the swings.. Weeeee.. YOUR NOT WATCHING!.. " Trantrum.. Fit Trantrum..

Shady

okay don i give up

apparently the world IS coming to an end
you know something i don't
unless perhaps your sources don't know
themselves
and are guessing
like the rest of the human race
has been guessing for
oh
thousands of years

and so those of us who don't live
on the thirtieth floor of a highrise may have a chance
and perhaps should start
'burrowing' now
fast as we can burrow

me, i see no proof of it
doesn't mean i say have a corona <shrug>
don't worry <shrug>
who cares anyways irresponsibly yours,
signed <shrug>

i have just seen no proof of it quite honestly
if i had, i would heartily say so

in the meantime
yes i have a stash of food and etceteras
just in case
its always been a prudent thing to do
but i live my life each day with happiness
and love for life
and that right now anyways is what counts to me

as far as sitchen:
i'm not convinced entirely he really knows what he's talking about
or anyone else for that matter

if we talk the uj approach then
~all~ sources of info on this schtuff
may be contaminated by nonhuman motives, whatever they could be

i read nancy
the eagles folks
you folks
and lots of other folks
but frankly see nothing from any of it that
shows me proof that a planet is getting ready to zoom past us
and destroy us

if it is of korse i will be suprized
but the physics of such an event
mean only those will survive who have good chance and fortune
regardless of whether they prepare or not
yes i'm glad i don't live on the thirtieth floor of a highrise in a big city
that by my logic would be a poor choice if the whizzer is indeed
on its way

no biggie dude. i read you. that should be enough. i don't have to agree with you. its okay.

Thank you mjc...

Here are a few quotes from Alex Collier's book "Defending Sacred Ground"



I for one am totally and emphatically opposed to this chipping of peoples and or animals. I know that this is put out as a good thing to help find lost children, animals, etc., but they fail to tell the sinister side of this situation also. These chips can and are causing skin cancers, cysts, etc. from informations I have read on them. After all, this a foreign object being put inside of a human body and so it is a natural process for the human body to try to defend itself by trying to isolate a foreign item as this. But then to, with various technologies that we feel these governments have, who knows exactly just what is actually in these chips. Furthermore, it is no governments place to "own" anyone period. The Federal Government of the United States of America are not our masters. They don't own us period, even tho there are some factional mindsets existing within the Federal Government now that would love to have this ability over us. But as far as I see it, this would be a treasonous exhibit of citizens of this country. I won't tolerate it myself, but I don't think it will happen. As I have heard from other sources they now have various other technologies via satellite to track humans via cell phones, and various other electronic objects.





When I read this it brought to mind Dan Burisch's story of what this P53 supposedly told him about who and what they were. But IF this that Alex Collier says he was told is more correct, then this just goes to prove that Dan B.'s Gray apparently deceived him just as they have deceived the incompetant US Government and Military Complex in their granduer ideaologies of technologies and controls. Apparently those P45 and P53 are not quite what they really thought they were and they were a separate race of EBEs. Not origionally humans as we understand humans to be with a soul and emotions.





Now this is a most revealing paragraph indeed imo. So they came back in time to alter consciousnesses which thus apparently also altered history would it not? And it is this type of mindset that has filtered over to the various Elite and Government entities involved in all of this NWO crapola and they cannot see the LIGHT for the DARK of the deceptions they have been given from their dealings with such negative entities. Interesting how they think they are so much for knowledgeable indeed and yet have been led down that slippery road of deceptions because of their own egotistical ideas of greed and control and power!!!!!

Now, here we go with some really pertinant information indeed as to why these Grays are NOT HUMAN and NEVER WERE HUMAN as that P53 tried to make Dan B. think. As I see this paragraph it pretty well sums up the situation totally, and this is why they are of the DARK SIDE indeed. This is that war of LIGHT vs DARK!!!!!





NO Government has the right to give any other race permission to abduct, experiment on or anything else that has gone on to humans. This is totally against a human's FREE WILL. And NO ALIEN has the right to take humans like this either against their will. Who ever signed any treaties to such stuff has committed TREASON indeed as I see it.





I don't give a cuss what any Government entities signed, they had no right to sign a dang thing like that in the first place and these Grays had no right and still have no right to abduct anyone. This kind of stuff just ticks me off big time when I read and hear of it because it is just totally wrong. We still have the power within us I think to stand up and say NO to any dang Gray period and let them know that we are not going to stand for this kind of crapola from them. In listening to those utube videos of Alex Collier last night this is what he basically said to do. That if one encounters a Gray to stand firm, let them know right off they have no right over you against your will.

But from various other articles I have read also, many of these abducted and kidnapped children are taken by some of our Government peoples and give to the Grays to also give to the Reptilians. How can anyone live with themselves that would do this to another human being is beyond my minds comprehension.



Now, this probably has a lot to do with why various religions were thus created for the various control methods of various populations on this planet.

I am not sure I can agree totally with the statement of "we have totally trashed out environment" because the main ones behind doing this has been the various Government complexes, agencies and big Businesses. Not the total populations because Government has allowed big businesses way too much leeway in various areas and it is because of their greeds that so much polutions exist. Then you factor in the various bombs that have been detonated and giving off toxic nuclear wastes into the environment, and apparently from other sources I have read nuclear bombs do not only affect planet Earth, their toxic effects also filter out into the Universe thus affecting other palents also. So, here again, this is not the ordinary human citizens, it is Governments and big business, Militaries, etc. that are responsible for these types of pollutions indeed.

The statement many like to use of how "WE" have done this or "WE" have done that I think is misleading because it is just a FEW of the peoples that have done the majority of all of the pollutions, not the masses of humans so much. But I guess that is neither here nor there, but the ordinary citizens on this planet are not the main polluters imo, it is Government, big businesses and the Militaries of various countries that are the primary ones guilty of these types of things. So I do not like that "WE" terminology because this lumps everyone as being guilty when the majority of the peoples actually have no ideas of what the main culprits are doing is how I see it.

Just like this situation with the Grays, Reptilians, etc., the majority of the humans on this planet have been kept in the dark on it all, so how are they actually the guilty parities???? It is this 'few' that commit these atrocities and the remainder of the humans shouldn't have to keep paying for the crimes of the few.

The whole Burisch J-Rods from the future story falls apart if we take into account the “Grand Father Paradox.” and today must cutting edge scientific theory on time travel.

According to science time travel is impossible in ones own time line because of the grand father paradox. Lets say you go back in time and either by chance or deliberately prevent your grand father from meeting your grandmother. At that very moment you yourself (as well as your family) would wink out of existence and never be. Not only this since you never existed in the first place how could have you gone back in time and prevented your grand parents from meeting? Paradox.

Quantum theory gives us a way around this Paradox with the multi verse/ parallel universe theory. Which states that here must be multi universes/parallel universes co-existing with our own in the quantum wave potential..

Thus we add this to the mix and our little time traveler can overcome the Grand Father Paradox for he he/she activates their time machine they are transported back in time not in their own universe and time line but an alternate universe and their prevents their Grand Parents from meeting. At which point in that universe they are never born while back in their own they are and time preceeded as it always has.

Dan Burisch (an Majestic behind him) are telling us the reasons the J-Rods have been abducting people is to prevent the 2012 (for a lack of a better term) event. Either prevent the genetic split or negate its devastating effects. In essence they are preventing their grand parents from meeting. Thus the J-Rods from the future have been zigging and zagging back and forth in their own time line going back thousands of years from 2012 and altering the genetic structure of man kind. … On the surface sounds reasonable enough.

But wait..

If they have been altering their genetic history. Then with each alteration.. The end result SHOULD appear in the J-Rods both in 42K and 54K.

Example:

Alteration lets say 10,000 BC *POP* should instantly appear in 42k as well as the Time Traveler of 42k ..
Alteration 7,000 BC *POP should instantly appear in 42k.. As well as the Time Traveler of 42k.

In this case the Time Traveler would even have the alteration before he even began the experiment the alteration! Think about it! An the J-Rod would be trapped in a new Paradox.

He makes the alternation and would never have memory of the alteration in the first place. Thus he would be trapped in an endless loop of alteration and then altering the alteration.


Burisch then claims that because of the J-Rod frantic time travel to our past to alter our genetic structure to save their own butts from 2012. They have produced an entanglement of multiple alternative timelines in our sector of the galaxy which threatens Space - Time itself ! GASP!!!

But wait … Quantum Theory already states that we live parallel to an INFINTE number of Quantum Universes/Alternate Universes and Timelines. In fact they may be so close to us that if we reach out our arm they would be at our finger tips but separated from our own by membrane theory.

To use the analogy of the hair on your own head. One strand of hair is OUR universe and right next to that the other strand another Universe, and so on and so on to infinitely! Of course these alternate time lines would get in tangled. BUT they are forever separated by energy membranes that vibrate at different frequencies!

Soooo Why should oh lets say 1,000 J-Rod produced by frantic time travel created alternative universes have any effect on us what so ever. When we already live side by side with a infinite number of natural alternative timelines!?!?!


Burisch then goes on to say that EVEN if the 2012 event is prevented by the heroic Majestic Twelve. At that point the entangled alternative universes will un tangle… We head off in our own alternative time line. As well as the J-Rods head off in theirs (where 2012 happened) and the Orion’s head of in there’s.. And we all go off in our own merry ways…

But wait!

That leaves the J-Rods still frantic for a Cure in their Time Line zipping back in time in their own timeline and still ripping apart the Space - Time fields with produced the WHOLE mess in the first place!!! As well as in the Orions timeline and alternative universe.. And in the 1000 J-Rod produced alternate universes.. Oh and lets not least forget this FACT if there are 1000 alternate universes produced universes… THERE WILL BE 1000 species of J-Rods doing the SAME DAMN THING!! And POOF the WHOLE damn mess repeated once again!

Rolling on the Floor laughing my Ass…

When you rationally and logically attempt to ask Dan Burisch about this FACT OF PHYSICS accound to our current understanding of physics.. What’s Burisch’s response???

“How dare you why I’m Dan Burisch of Majestic 12!”

Rolling on the Floor laughing my Ass…


Ladies and Gentlemen. Of the fourm… There never have been J-Rods from the Future Let alone Orions… I have no doubt what so ever that thee are Grays visiting our planet and there is a great deal of evidence that they are conducting genetic experimentation.. I have no doubt what so ever that President Ike met them and the Orions in 1952.. BUT they are from our own timeline and our own Galaxy.. And finally what Burisch is feeding the world is either a total fabricated FANTASY or Official Disinformation by the PTB

Just some thoughts,

Shady

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Now, aren't these some interesting tid bits??? They only want Aryans on the Moon and Mars. Alpha Two is MJ12 !!!!! And that MJ12 is actually the bottom of the ladder and the bankers are apparently at the top of the ladder and just who are these bankers????? ILLUMINITI of course!!!!

A bunch of egotistical, racist, facist, greedy NAZIS mindsets indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Dan Burish is involved with these types of humanoids!!!!! Wow, says a lot doesn't it?????????????? And the term BLACK MONKS, and herein lies the DARK FORCES indeed that are trying to destroy humans and this planet. And now MJ12 has changed its name to the Priory of Sion (Zion)!!! Is this more deceptions????

In relation with Alex Collier's testimony:

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The most necessary action now, for all of you who are aware, is to do what you are capable of to illuminate your denigrated societies. Consciousness is your scale. It always provides balance, which does not fail. It speaks to those and tells them what to do, and what not to do; To one or all beings who chose to be evolved. The administrators of your governments are responsible for professional order, not for your moral codes of order. The key to your happiness, Terrans, is in the hands of your own consciousness. We have perceived that you Terrans have arranged your lives not according to yourselves, but according to others. Your disappointments are due to this fact. This kind of conduct of yours is what is limiting your races. Each one of you is a free soul, a free consciousness. No one is the servant or a slave of anyone else, though the hidden ones would trick you to believe otherwise. Mutual respect is imperative for a healed planetary race. Help is being extended to you if you so want it. Because of our genetic lineage to your races. We would like to be with you during your difficult times. Today you are a planet and a race that destroys itself in ignorance. Your goal is to uncover the genuine human beings lost deep within yourselves. Always be at one with yourself.

Vasais
***

Quote Dondep:
"Our "fancies", at least my "fancy", is a world in which those that control the power stop insulting us and allow merit, not nepotism and ritualistic pavolovian responses, to be truly rewarded....and not just in a token manner. To allow the full range of facts to be told, for our own consideration and not just what 'they' have decided is in our best interests. Our lives aren't "little", either; they may seem puny and insignificant, but we can choose to make them meaningful or surrender to defeatism, to convince ourselves that whatever we do is inconsequential in the long run, or that the effort alone is worth it all. "

Wise words I woleheartedly agree with DonDep, although I'm personally still sitting on the fence as to this arrival of Planet X and exactly what it will mean if/when it comes. The poleshift also I'm acepting as a high possibility but would like more actual evidence from a range of sources before entirely convinced, though it's certainly clocking up now with the strange weather patterns and global warming now taking place.

Thanks for the interesting article, MJC, on the crystal skull. I was lucky enough to see the one in the British Museum when I lived in London and it did make 'the hair on the back of my neck' stand up when gazing at it.

Regarding the Burisch and McDowell show, I'd agree Shady that they do indeed come across as attention-seeking children with large ego problems. That's the picture I get (though I've admittedly not met them) having read through their own forum and following the various twists of the tale via not only Don and those of you who have had personal dealings with them, but looking at their own material posted 'out there' and from UFO community/peer comment.
I think in time even their own devoted followers will reach a point where they will be asking for real results and action of them ("either put up or shut up"! as we say here) and that will be a telling day for their credibility. Claiming to be a conduit for angelic, godly forces and then carrying on as they do just doesn't wash with me!

Vonynich Document Researcher and Decoder denounces Dan Burisch's so called decoding of the document Damn Rubish!!

Why isn't this surprising

Shady
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http://voynichnews.blogspot.com/2008/04 ... cript.html

Uncle John here: This reminds me of Tammy Fae Baker's crying.

Unity and forever banned just don't go together in my book.

If dan truly understands what the word saint means, then he would truly understand what the word devil means, and if he did, why would he swear his allegiance to an evil organization like majestic?

The sneds team post over and over that we are attacking them. It is only words that we use. Well within the bounds of legal criticism or critical comments and certainly not an attack.

The focus of our vitriol is the fallen angels that control majestic and sneds.

If I didn't think that dan was the public face of mj12, I would not spent any time with his garbage.

Keep calling our honest criticism "fluff" and we will get nowhere with unity!

D&m&thugs have little idea what goes on that they are not aware of, yet the demean us with "can't do," "haven't done," "refuse to do," all the while delivering empty talk about love and unity.

This list is actually BS if you really think about it.

Lets pre-dispose that Majestic Twelve actually does exist. Its highly doubtful given that the Majestic Twelve documents state that Majestic Twelve /MJ-12 come into existence under by President Exec Order in the Truman years. The Documents state a Exec Order Number in the 90,000 range. Truman’s own Exec Order number series were in 10,000 range! And only up to 30,000 range by Reagan’s days!

But lets put that aside and pre -dispose the Majestic Twelve exists as claimed by Dan and Marci.

Which is more likely to be the case for a ULTRA TOP SECERT Organization structure?

A Board and or Committee of Twelve individuals comprising of HEAD individuals in their respective fields.

Military Intelligence Core (an oxymoronic statemet ever there was one but hey.. What the hell)
Scientific Core
Foreign Diplomatic Core
Economic and Political Core.

Majestic Twelve would NOT exist outside this Board or Committee. It would only exist while the Board or Committee were called into session. All Special Projects be they Scientific or Other would be carried out and fllthered out threw out pre established HIGHLY COMPARTMENTALIZED sectors of pre-existing Sturtures of US Government./ Military , Intelligence, Political Branch, Scientific Branch.. Etc etc.. With each branch on a ‘Need to Know” bases . In short you only know what you need to know to carry out the project objectives. Project Results are then sent back to MAJI (the Board) where the data is once again re assembled from all branches and plan of action taken or new projects are instituted.

Under this Structure there would be NO Majestic Twelve outside the Board Rooom Committee.

Why?

The Bigger the Organization the Greater risk of Leaks, Whistleblowers and screw ups In short your ULTRA TOP SECRET runs the risk of being discovered.


Now take a look of Danny’s and Marci’s supposed MAJESTIC TWELVE…




Dan and Marci’s Majestic Twelve is completely the Opposite! It sounds like a structure of a Fortune 500 Company down to Official Headquarters and Janitors, Secretaries and Janitors!..


The Bigger the Organization the Greater the Chance for the ULTRA TOP SECRET being exposed.

Dan and Marci’s Majestic Twelve would be bleeding information and leaks akin to Hemophilic bleeding out in an unfortunate auto accident.!


Again Dan and Marci’s Majestic Twelve is not Logical or Rationally Possible to Exist.


The first though may very well exist. After all we traditional Witches had a structure very much like the first example ...

The Coven was composed of 6 - 9 - 13 members that met clandestinely in the back woods of the Middle Ages forests. True Witch covens often enjoyed the protection of the local Lord and Lady of the Manor (whom were closet Witches themselves or Pagan) "The Black Man" or "Man in Black" sometimes called "Men In Black" would come to the Coven stead themselves in disguise (for their identity exposed would mean certain death in the Middle Ages world Ruled by the murderous Church).... It is because of this ULTRA Secrecy that Witchcraft and Wicca exists today. The old Witches learned how to stay hidden in the Shadows. An thus why Witches Love Black Robes To This Day! They operated and existed in Clandestine Cells.. *grin*

The True Majestic Twelve if it exists would operate in very much the same way within the Forest of our Governmental Structure. And doing so would be nearly Impossible to discover.

Just some thoughts,




Shady

Humanities salvation will not come by way of dan’s method his way is the way of steeple.


Humanities Salvation will come. When every member of the Illuminati, the Elite of Freemasonry, The Skulls and Bones men, Builder bergs, CFR’s, Trilateral, Bohemians, World Bank ..etc etc. Are dragged from their spider holes Dragged in kicking and screaming in front of the World Courts of Crimes Against Humanity and there judged by the Nations of the World. Down from the Elite Devils themselves down to the smallest loyal and ignorant Servants of them.

For the Elite once tried and convicted.. The Gallows.
For the Servants an 8 x 4 cell for the rest of their lives.


When the last of them swing from the rope.. Then and only then will Humanity be free. Free at Last.

Why look.. Elite… the crowds begin to form in the streets and soon very soon… We shall be coming for YOU!.



Alex Jones is but one voice in a sea of MILLIONS that are now awakening to your presence and your manipulation of humanity for hundreds of years.



Shady

But before that day of Liberation and Freedom.. We will have to fight for in those last hours the Elite will try their last "Endgame" card.. An the fight will be bloody..

Every man, woman and young adult.. will have to find the courage within to Fight for their Freedom in those last hours.


We can all take a lesson from a Former Scottish Patriot.


William Wallace


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0QOLycRhXA


The Wallace Clan of Scottland which literally means FREEDOM.


True FREEDOM COMES WITH SACRFICE AND COSTS...


It is not gained by praying for it!


Shady

The world isn't "coming to an end" ubleck; just the world as we've come to know it. Most folks are reading the signs, though many aren't aware of why. Thus, "specials" such as last night's History Channel offering "Last Days On Earth". It was an examination of the pot-pourri of "end-time scenarios", yet another example of subtle conditioning of earthlings for what's known to be on the horizon by Majestic (footage of Nibiru from the ISS and various space probes and telescopes that show it close by but moving at what appears to them as "erratic speeds"). I expected the 'usual', but had to pause and marvel when the first example - "Gamma Rays" - was examined. What made me pause was the claim that a "second sun" would be seen. Now, where have we heard that before? Here, in plain sight, was a pre-emptive move to ascribe a "second sun" to the lethal "gamma rays" which may appear "close by" even though they may be coming from a near-by star NOT in our solar system. However, at the end of the "Gamma Ray" chapter computer graphics showed the atmosphere of earth being totally stripped away and billions dying of a radiation so debilitating that it would be equivalent to atomic bombs going off in every corner of the globe. Ooooooh, scary stuff and uncalled for, IMHO. No, the poleshift won't be that bad, but these scenarios all seemed geared towards instilling FEAR that nothing will survive at all, thus subtly leading to that attitude of total resignation that it would be useless to do ANYthing. Next up was the favored theory of a "black hole" opening up nearby and also slowly ripping away the atmosphere via a huge "sucking sound" (I swear they used that term; plagiarized from Ross Perot perhaps, like much of these scare-scenarios), eventually sucking up everything on the surface of Earth, with mankind becoming more "rubbery and flexible" as if to suggest that the gravitational pull would make us more Gumby-like. Again, the final outcome was of such horrific magnitude that no-one would survive, least of all the planet, which would eventually be sucked into the black hole also. At this point Saturday Night Live came on, and I turned away but I guarantee you the "special" will be shown again, and on the weekend or in the evening when they're guaranteed to get a big audience.

So, no, the world will not "end". That doesn't mean it's not expected to go through what it's gone through many many times in its history. But I'm not out to "prove" it, because if you heard my last interview and listen to my next one to be broadcast over the London airwaves before the month is out during afternoon drivetime when the audience for the "wake-up call" is expected to be 1.4 million, you'll hear that my message is NOT to "take my word for it"; "proving" it would only disturb 'domestic tranquility' and lead to widespread panic, fear, and naturally martial law. However, we can and should call our congress (and parliaments) to account so that the dual messages given to our military - and Majestic in particular, since they conducted unconstitutional treaty negotiations - can be examined by ALL, for ALL of us individually to come to our own conclusions. For those that need a wide beach with enough sand to stick their heads in, there is The D&M "don't worry! be happy!" Show, so as not to disturb their equanimity. A "safety valve" as it were.



No, I wouldn't suggest "burrowing" as you call it......preparation doesn't entail "burrowing". Because of the random nature of the escalating earth changes and destructive climate anomalies, one may have to relocate the closer we come to "IT". That doesn't mean don't have an escape/evacuation route mapped out as soon as plausible. It doesn't mean slowly stocking up about 3 months worth of foodstuffs, a tent and sleeping bag, and things like a first-aid kit, flashlight, shovel, and a goodly amount of seeds......all these things can fit in a car (don't forget to stock up enough gas in plastic safety-gas-cans to make the trip; when it's on the verge of happening, you can be sure the gas stations will be shut down). Now, how hard is that? Once 'prepared' on that minimal physical level, one can go about carefully broaching the subject with friends, family, neighbors. Those that are in denial will eschew any 'preparation', and will more than likely be prepared to "party hardy" as the realization sinks in. In fact, the "special" on the History Channel interviewed dozens of folks who were given a few seconds to answer the question "what would you do if the world as we know it were going to end?" and of course the politically-correct responses were shown; the sheer panic many would feel and the desire on the part of some to rob, maim, murder, rape, etc. could quickly rise to the surface, but at least the program is getting people to think. This kind of show would've been unheard of just a few years ago.



Very few people have seen the "proof", but you can be certain that Majestic HAS seen enough "proof" to know the pronunciations that are made on ZT (which they study intently, despite the ton of ridicule they heap on it) are more accurate now than when they were bamboozled the same way they bamboozle the lay citizenry. I repeat too that we shouldn't have "proof" too early lest the bulk of the population let loose their innermost desires with all abandon, leading to murder and mayhem world-wide. For this reason even the "good guys" in-the-know are against public pronouncements. (Not to be confused with public hearings showing the duelling messages in possession of Majestic over the course of half-a-century of treaties with the two spiritually-polarized ET groups.)



In that we wholeheartedly agree, and I would go further to say that everyone should avail themselves of the same degree of preparation and happiness. The Arrogant Ones, that want to make these decisions for us, like to put false claims of "doom and gloom" into the mouths of folks that wish the population to wake up to what's coming; this may be due to their mediocre analysis of "lower" mankind's potential, but it also may be setting up what is obviously a "straw man" so that the more astute truthseekers will see the ridiculousness in their exaggerated childishness and come to the best conclusion. Which would be to prepare, as you have. We're in agreement on this I think (I'd hate to think you too were arguing against 'preparation', the better to have one less "useless eater" to fight with in a post-poleshift world).



The beauty of having 'freedom of thought' is that you're free to disagree and reject his translations of the ancient Sumerian (Annunakian/Nibiruan) cylinder seals and clay tablets. I can only point out the famous adage of that former Senator from New York, Mr. Moynihan, that "everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own set of facts". One can argue that the translations are of "fiction", or "mythology", but not that they are manufactured.



Actually he's right; nearly any 'source' on 'this schtuff' IS colored by the perspectives of those sources, including ET sources. In a recent ZT, they claim that there are indeed many "tender-hearted aliens", who out of compassion wish not to trouble their human contactees and induce fear, despair, or hopelessness. So even by omitting the pertinent "warning", as MAJ ordered Dan to remove from his upcoming "disclosure", they might mean well but end up doing harm by encouraging their audience not to prepare.



And it's good to know that you have an informed opinion. Again, there is to be no "proof" such as you may expect, even from those sources (though the irritating "zetas right again" has proven to be true time and again, whether you choose to view the evidence or not) and for the many reasons I outlined above. One sign, however, which is said to explain the nearing presence, is the earth's "wobble" in reaction to the nearing gravitational field. To my own satisfaction, I started marking my kitchen floor where the corner of the sunlight coming through the window illuminated the floor. I marked the floor 20 minutes later so that a line could be formed between the two points. I then did the same thing day after day (which has made many marks on the floor from my Sharpie) and have been able to conclude that some days there is a radically-different position, with a sharper angle to the daily line to it, and the line is sometimes several inches off, to the north OR south, and sometimes it's only the expected increment of a degree or so. This is something that anyone with a large window that faces the east directly can do, though to decry the results without conducting a similar test would be an example of being 'in denial'.




Actually, someone on the 30th floor of a Manhattan high-rise who's prepared and ready to evacuate when the signs become unmistakable is probably MORE prepared than a suburbanite who works on the first floor of an industrial park miles outside an urban core. The signs will be unmistakable as the 'time' draws near; the next biggest wake-up call will be quakes and an associated widening of the Mississippi river valley, leading to even more popping bridges. I'll bet that 'they' are even now "closing" those bridges for "maintenance" and "re-engineering", using the Minneapolis bridge collapse as justification. They'll be replaced with ferries I bet, but then again I may be wrong. We'll probably see the I-40 experience the same thing the I-35 did last year.



True. I'd hate for everyone to agree with my POV, and many here don't. In fact, I think the majority of the readers might agree more with Steph's (The Ferret) POV. Skeptical, but aware of the earth-changes and escalating weather irregularities and not ruling "IT" out.

I read you too, and in fact I think it's a good thing to have these kind of debates. I've usually enjoyed your prose, though at times it may be 'cutting'. What gets my ire up is the echoing of false claims by The D&M Show (which as you freely admit, you're closer to as a result of your membership in Dan's "Think Tank") when in fact they have made blatantly false claims and out-right lied. The primary one that is offensive to me, but which may have been repeated as a signal that they are "exaggerating" in order for the more astute readers to realize the fallaciousness of their 'disclosure' claims, is when first Marci, then Ann, then Dan claimed that I had "pestered" them about Nancy Lieder and ZetaTalk while we stayed with Marci, which was an outright lie. First, "Ann" has never been seen by anyone (other than an old picture of her and Marci supposedly shown once then quickly hidden again) and for her to claim that would entail her being around. More importantly though is the fact that I was very careful NOT to bring up the subject except on two very very deliberate occasions, at which time both of them declined to discuss it. It doesn't mean the subject was far from my mind, as it wasn't, but I took extra precautions NOT to bring it up...... partially as an attempt to see if Dan would bring up the subject himself (once I had deliberately given him the opening as I described above) as he had promised to do on phone and IM while we were in Canada. The lie that he chimed in with showed me then that what I was being told by other sources was likely to be true, that our presence there was as "pawns" for their PR effort, to be discarded on Dadmiral's orders once our usefullness to the farce was exhausted.

http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=6882

Well ummmm 18 months, lets see that will be Nov-Dec 2009.. The predicted time when Planet X will be unmistakably visible in our skies and

Also the FEMA orders back in 2001 decleared that bunkers should be stocked by Jan 2010! Homeland Securities Endgame Detention Camps will be ready according to their assesments If you read the Homeland Security Endgame PDF closely..


Welll Geeee wizz

Mere chance? I think not.


Shady

About ATS:

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Sunday, May 18, 2008

Posted by: atsdeck
I was banned yesterday, May 17, 2008, from AboveTopSecret.com under my username "OnTheDeck". Unaware that I had been banned, and thinking I was only having log in problems, I created the alternate User Name "atsdeck" to post a message that I was having problems logging in. This is a name (atsdeck) I've used at other sites to make posts, as my introduction to timedrifter and his story, and the bulk of the threads both he and I have created have been at ATS.

It didn't take long for me to realize that I had been banned.

Although the reason I was banned has not been explicitly stated, either in a private message to me, or as a post in the most current thread, another moderator suggested it was because I was posting messages from timedrifter, himself a banned member.

I mentioned in one of my last posts, under the User Name "atsdeck," that I had been posting answers from timedrifter to members in the thread for a while now since he was originally banned (almost a year prior), without receiving any warnings from mods or admins. This is primarily why it was such a shock to me.

The thread in question was one I created on January 23, 2007, entitled, "If you could ask a time traveler a question what would you ask?" I created the thread on a lark, so folks could ask timedrifter questions about our future/past that he might be able to answer from his experiences. I also thought the thread might help him jog his memory some more.

The thread, quite unexpectedly, took off and took on a life of its own. The questions from members (and posts from detractors) quickly grew the thread, and I found myself (and timedrifter, himself) putting a lot of time and energy into the thread. It was a task responding to the more vitriolic skeptics of timedrifter's story, but I think we presented our case well, and as a result won over a lot of readers; even thought this wasn't necessarily the intent.

That thread has been running strong for sixteen months - almost a year and a half(!) from the day it started. And as of today, May 18, 2008, it ranks number three in the "Skunk Works" section with 2,268 Replies; and ranks number four with 66,177 Views. We’re also probably number six or seven with the number of flags.

Now that timedrifter and I have been banned from both AboveTopSecret.com and GodlikeProductions.com, we are going to have to find somewhere else to share our experiences and post our findings.

Given both of our experiences at the above two sites, I'd say that's a good thing. Given the newness of conspiracy/paranormal message boards, and the direction that two of the majors (and plenty of the minors) have taken, it's clear that we're a ways away from fully realizing the potential of this new medium of idea exchange.

The Internet is our door to unadulterated, accurate and totally free information and truth. What we have is a good start, but we're not quite there yet.

Hopefully, we will begin to see more of these types of sites that are able to meet the technical and managerial demands of this venture, without sacrificing content, and without jeopardizing, obstructing, or mishandling the free exchange that we desire take place.

ATS and GLP (as well as this site, Project Camelot, Project Prove, the other sites linked here, and many more) are showing us a glimpse of what is to come; but I'm confident that where we are headed is going to be so much more. Guess you gotta start somewhere.

As for ATS, I really enjoyed meeting the folks I've met through that site. There is a great community, and that's what it's all about. We are galvanizing each other; encouraging each other. And this is having a very real affect.

I'm glad that I was at least able to post some closing comments in the question thread at ATS. I would have hated for it to just "end" without some sort of goodbye. After so much time, I thought that everyone who followed along deserved at least that much.

Just wanted to make a post and say goodbye to ATS for a while. I was a very active member at ATS since I signed up in, I think, 2005 (Can't access my stats now, so I'm guessing...). And it's where timedrifter and I first hooked up. It's where I met all of the cool souls that I continue to keep up with on this paranormal/planetary stuff.

So, to all of the folks who read/followed along at ATS, you're all fantastic. Even the mods who will go unnamed. ahah

Never forget what this is all about.

So long, ATS. See you all on the other side...

Or until...You know...I post another article...

Peace,
atsdeck (AKA OnTheDeck)
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Source: http://www.ufotimetravel.com/

Uncle John here: Sometimes a group is only as good as it's weakest link. Ann is the weak link at sneds in many ways.

Go to: http://www.reviewjournal.com/obituaries/

Go to: September 12, 2004.

Look for Thelma R McDowell. "Thelma R. McDowell, 85, a musician, of Las Vegas, died Sept. 9, 2004. She is survived by her daughter, Marcia A. of Las Vegas. No services are scheduled."

Why was marci's supposed twin left off the obituary?

Her daughter is Marcia Ann McDonnell, Born 5-14-56 Toronto York CO Canada Registered 5-22-56 #56-05-048305

Wonder why ann doesn't have a birth certificate?

Ever heard of anyone naming their twins with the same name such as "Ann?"

Caspa forgives the B-unit because the A-unit was out of town. They just erase all of their negative posts.

MJ12 is just as dishonest as marci and ann display themselves. Wonder why? Their ET masters require dishonesty. One can not obtain a state of unity from a state of dishonesty.

There are a few honest persons who post at sneds. Think about the support you are giving these scoundrels.

Marci says that the purpose of sneds is for a polite place. Putting people down without reason and lying is not polite.

Well well well Owl Brian got a scolding down to for showing Burisch’s human side…

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Ah poor little Brian/Owl called back to the principles office and given a talking down to yet again. What does that make Brian your fifth or sixth time you received a paddling by Principle Dan. I’ve lost count.

Pitty really Supposed Military Chopper Pilot Combat Pilot that once commanded respect. Reduced to nothing more then disobedient child! How does it feel on that male pride Brian to be treated in such a manor and with such disrespect.




Suck it up Solider! An stay at attention take your humiliation and disrespectful ass rimming like a man! Your in Burisch army now!


As for Mongral well he’s always been a “Yes” man its how he made gunner.

“Fire on that Iraq village boy! We have Intel of combatants hiding in the population!
“Kill those fleeing terrorized Iraq soldiers on the Highway of Death! Boy!” “Yes Sir immediately Sir!”

And today..

Burisch to Mongral. “Go fetch my Lotus papers Mongrel/Steven” “Yes Sir immediately Sir!”


Not much change there is it Steve. You’ve always been a yes man and all ways will. In fact I’m sure you’ve grown to like it. **pat pat on the head ** That’s a good soilder now here’s your Majestic milk bone.

But for you Brian/Owl its different I know, you were once Somebody. Today your nothing but aa has been. Feels good doesn’t that sting across the ass.



Shady

Beautiful post and fantast.c research an investigation! Bravo

Your mother dies and her daughter left off the Obit???

Never in a million years..

Remember Marcia's / Marci's middle name is Ann!

Question though that needs to be asking. Why add Marcher? Was Marci McDowell once married? An simply used the ex's name. Or a friends or lovers.


Shady

thank you don, for your well-mannered and kind reply.

i am not stupid. i read it all.

candidly i would say if disclosure was made available the resulting turmoil who be fathoms worse that the result of no disclosure.

given the prospects of the ~whizzer~
in its entirety
there is no feasable way at all
to prevent rampant fecundity
to put it nicely
for ~all~ concerned

to have soceity break down and just stop and try and dig in
even thrity years ago
would have resulted in more mayhem than
whatever last minute shit
hits the fan

not the best of worlds
but hey
you pick 'em
i don't
i just live here
thang gott out inna country
far from faultlines and oceans
and in a single story
single wide trailer
with my cat

the problem with me is that i am enlightened
a blod thing to say
but was a buddhist meditator for years and actually had several
minor satories
and have a certain amount of intuitive insight as a result

if you were dan or marci
believe me at this point as a human
some of your worse characteristics
would have popped out
sorry some of it popped your way
but in any focus
the energy turns in hard
upon the rudder
and the ship doesn't steer
the way the
calabrases
would clap for it

they will never be
all and everything
its impossible
as it would be for you
or me
or even shady
who wants to go on and on and on
about how its everybody else's fault
not to be rude but i call that
a ~blame artist~
what's the cure?
to grow up.

as an old negro blues singer said
'it ain't nobody's fault but mine.'

that, my firend, is disclosure.

we demand the gas
the cheetos
the safeways
the levis
we are so hooked on the faux edenic
stuff/heroin
that we cannot see other than those who try to supply as
evil

to go back to true eden
the whole world would
~stop~
feed and clothe the
neediest
etc.

and it would not start with the
~leaders~
doing this.

it would start with the everyday
common western man
to give up
the doggeral
that he/she/is has become addicited to
all on his own
all on a new spring morning

immediately there would be new
better leaders

don't beleieve me?

well, then
maybe the butterfly at the other end of the universe
is not affected then
by the smallest of things

Just to Add to UJ post.

You might want to run Thelma R McDowell's name threw the Social Security Database of dead. They do and will list SS# for that person. Then you can de duce date of birth and location of the city and state the card number was issued.

Shady


PS.. Also Since Marci claims she comes a entertainment background in the family. Possibly Mrs McDowell might have been a Union Member or Guild Member of the entertainment fields. Those would a good place to check too.

ubleck

If Burisch was just a another civilian making claims in the ufo field. I wouldn’t attack his story at all! The man would certainty have right to speak his story and that story not interrupted.

Yet this is not the case with him and Marci. They claim to be the visible face the spokesmen for Majestic Twelve an organization that is believed to be in direct control of all UFO/Alien technology for the past fifty years.

That instantly propels them outside the realm of being just another civilian. That puts them on par with being a government (in this case shadow government) spokes person, politician or candidate. An that being the case. We skeptics have FULL right to investigate and question their story to the microscopic level. An yes even satirize or make fun of it.


Shady

why should we be living in rags?

well because most of the rest of the world does, and we are their brothers.

one time they asked john lennon:

"so why johnny do ya haf ten mansions when ya spout so much peace, lad?"

"well," he said, :because i'm doown here in this world and am going to take the best advantage of it i can. " <paraphrased>

this is dammable proof of why disclosure is unimportant.

here is a prophet of peace, rather genuinely, gave his life and all as it were, blithly saying i don't give a flat fook.

we all cryout for the ~leaders~ to solve it all and confess
as they feed our black hearts with all the crap
we are addicited to
from their point of view its like
fuck you
miserable addicted losers
okay we'll give you what you want
do unto others
but god have mercy on your souls.

i call it wwgs. what would gandhi say? he would say you people of the west
you common people
who have robbed the possibility of eden
yes of your own volition
to make that possibility of it
ever returning
quyite impossible

when you get on the other side
you will wake up.

so be it. we will take it up on the other side.

for those of you who do not believe in an other side, there will be no other side.
its all good. it all clearly works. just not in big
neon
drive in
movie
oooo-weees
as would be so western
and bold
like a cowboy
baby