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HR 362 and the Alarming Escalation of Hostility Towards Iran

by Alan Nasser

Global Research, July 9, 2008
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The current tension among political observers as to whether the U.S. and/or Israel will undertake military action against Iran before president Bush leaves office has been greatly intensified by the prospect that Congress will pass a frightening resolution, HR 362, as early as this week.

The Demands of HR 362

HR 362, sponsored by Rep. Gary Ackerman, a New York Democrat, calls for the president to enact more draconian economic sanctions against Iran. These include an embargo against any imports of refined petroleum. (While Iran is of course a major exporter of oil, it imports at least 40% of its refined petroleum.) The wording of the Resolution is chilling in the extreme: “Congress… demands that the President initiate an international effort to immediately and dramatically increase the economic, political and diplomatic pressure on Iran to verifiably suspend its nuclear enrichment activities by… prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran’s nuclear program.” The resolution is moving quickly through the House and could pass as early as this week.

The “stringent inspection requirements” listed would require a naval blockade, thereby constituting an act of war. And this is how the resolution would be perceived by virtually all Iranians. The result would surely marginalize moderates in Iran who would shun retaliatory measures against the Bush administration’s aggressive rhetoric, which has been escalating since fall of 2007. Iranians would unify behind their most belligerent leaders and the country would have been handed, by the president and Congress, powerful reasons to develop nuclear weapons for purposes of deterrence.

The final clause of the Resolution contains a classic example of political doubletalk: “… nothing in this Resolution shall be construed as an authorization of the use of force against Iran.” But an embargo-with-inspections scheme can be put in effect only by means of a blockade, which logically entails the use of force.


Congressional Democrats, the IAEA and Factual Falsehoods in HR 362

There is more support now than there was a year ago in Congress, especially among the Democrats, for military action against Iran. Thus HR 362’s co-sponsors include 96 House Democrats and 111 House Republicans. These are the same Democrats whom Americans voted into Congress, in November 2006, as majorities in both houses, based on what voters believed to be the Democrats’ opposition to war in the Middle East.

To add insult to injury, HR 362 justifies its content with demonstrably false accusations about Iran’s nuclear program. The Resolution charges that Iran’s importing and manufacturing of centrifuges are “covert” and “illicit.” But under both the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, to which Iran is a signatory, and Iran’s agreements with the U.N.’s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), these activities are entirely permitted. The IAEA has publicly stated its support of Iran’s uranium enrichment program, which it states is in full accord with all treaty requirements to which Iran is subject.

Late last October IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei remarked to CNN: “Have we seen Iran having the nuclear material that can be readily used into a weapon? No. Have we seen an active weaponization program? No. … I very much have concern building confrontation, because that would lead to a disaster. I see no military solution. The only durable solution is through negotiations and inspections. My fear is that if we continue to escalate from both sides that we would end up on a precipice, we would end up in an abyss.” ElBaradei’s most recent statements repeatedly echo these October remarks.

The Role of AIPAC

That HR 362 has been so warmly received on Capitol Hill is a sad testimony to Congress’s willing dependence on external interests which cannot be assumed to be identical to those of most Americans. The Resolution is known to have been initially drafted by the American-Israeli lobby AIPAC. In early June AIPAC sent more than a thousand lobbyists to Congress to whip up support for this Resolution.

Congress’s well known subordination to AIPAC’s agenda should not be construed as a democratic response to the wishes of the American Jewish community. Polls show that more than 80% of Jewish-Americans oppose an attack on Iran. Congress’s compliance to AIPAC’s interests amounts to obeisance to a foreign State, not to any domestic constituency.

HR 362 and the Pre-Invasion Rhetoric Re Iraq: Preludes to War

Reminiscent of Bill Clinton’s decision to impose severe extensive sanctions against Iraq, the White House last October unilaterally imposed harsh economic sanctions against a number of important Iranian institutions. In addition to targeting more than 20 Iranian companies and the country’s 3 major banks, the sanctions were announced as aimed mainly at Iran’s uniformed security force, the Revolutionary Guard Corps (RGC), which the Bush administration characterized, with no evidence, as “proliferators of weapons of mass destruction” and RGC’s Quds Force, which has been branded as a “supporter of terrorism.” These two accusations were the main pretexts for the invasion of Iraq.

Since Quds is part of RGC, and the latter is a state institution, the branding of Quds as a terrorist organization was ipso facto to brand Iran as a terrorist state.

Just as Washington had earlier cooperated with Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran (by providing him with, among other things, chemical weapons), so too had Washington benefited from Quds’s provision of arms to the U.S.-backed Muslim government in Bosnia, its aiding the forces fighting the Soviet military in Afghanistan, and its support for those fighting the Taliban. Quds even assisted, with U.S. approval, Kurdish guerrillas’ assault on the Baathist regime of Saddam.

The demonization of former allies has been common to Washington’s war preparations against both Iraq and Iran. In both cases perhaps the principal objectives have been to shut down the possibilities for a negotiated settlement, and to provide a “legal” framework for war by specifying the pretexts of weapons of mass destruction and terrorism.

The Democrats’ overwhelming support for the 2003 invasion of Iraq is well known. Their legislation prior to the October 2007 sanctions is perhaps less well remembered. Shortly before Secretary Condoleezza Rice and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson announced the October sanctions, the Democratic-led house passed legislation that would impose sanctions on non-U.S. energy companies doing business in Iran. The legislation passed by an overwhelming 397 - 16 vote.

Democratic leaders justified this legislation as cutting off funding for Iran’s (entirely legal) nuclear program. But the legislation was surely motivated in large part by the intention to eliminate any competitive advantage that might be enjoyed by competitors of U.S. oil companies, which no longer have access to Iran-based profits.

HR 362 is a major extension of the October sanctions. The latter were intended to deal a damaging blow to Iran’s economy. The RGC is not merely a military institution. It performs a broad range of economic activities. Its engineering unit includes among its major projects a $2 billion dollar contract to develop Iran’s main gas field, a $1.3 billion contract for a new pipeline to Pakistan, the construction of a Tehran metro extension, a high-speed rail link connecting the capital and Isfahan, the expansion of shipping ports and the construction of a major dam.

The October sanctions are known to have already had a significant impact on Iran’s economy. HR 362 is intended to intensify that damage, to take negotiations off the table, to provoke Iranian hard-liners. Its passage would constitute another giant step toward what Mohamed ElBaradei called “an abyss.”

Alan Nasser is professor emeritus of Political Economy at The Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wa. His articles have appeared in The Nation, Monthly Review, Commonweal, and a number of professional journals.
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Iran test fires new long- and mid-range missiles


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Special Report: Iran Nuclear Crisis

·Iran's IRGC has successfully test fired new long- and mid-range missiles ·IRGC test fired a Shahab 3 missile, which can hit any target within a range of 2,000 km. ·Observers believe it is still possible the U. S. and Israel would attack Iranian targets. TEHRAN, July 9 (Xinhua) -- Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) has successfully test fired new long- and mid-range missiles in response to threats from the United States and Israel, Iran's satellite channel Press TV reported Wednesday.

A video grab from Al Alam television shows three of nine long- and medium-range missiles being fired during a test in Iran July 9, 2008

In military exercises dubbed Payambar-e Azam 3 (Great Prophet 3), the IRGC test fired a Shahab 3 missile, which can hit any target within a range of 2,000 km, Press TV said.

The Shahab 3 ballistic missile was equipped with a one-ton conventional warhead, it added.

Nine highly advanced missiles with improved accuracy were simultaneously tested, including the Zelzal and Fateh missiles with ranges of 400 km and 170 km respectively.

The Payambar-e Azam 3 war games were conducted by missile units of the IRGC's naval and air forces, Press TV reported...


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Might I offer a quick and easy solution to this Iran situation to you Majestic ;) Invite him to one of your Majestic Twelve Family Picnics.

Why don't you just kidnap Bush and Cheney and toss them both into the nearest immediate available star gate... After all you need a human test subject for that think so I hear right???... and send them off to some far distant. "Planet of the Apes." dimension or planet


Just look at him he's already half way there...

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.. humm then again that would be like dropping a WMD on the poor apes he'd destory their society in six hours..


Never mind.. ;)


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On a much more serious note we have received oodles of letters asking if "Dan is involved, behind the scenes," trying to "persuade the United States to avoid conflict with Iran," and if so, "who is he persuading?"

We all know now about Dan's involvement with certain "persons" and the necessity to avoid conflict with Iran, this year and next year, because of timeline issues seen in the Looking Glass.

The answer from Dan himself to the first part is "YES." The answer to the second part is 'NO COMMENT."

He also wrote this to me:

"Please continue to pray for Peace and Unity for Humanity, during this precious time in history. If you are an American Citizen, please continue contacting your Representatives and Senators, and persist in asking them to protect America, first, by pressing the Administration to always apply diplomacy, and force ONLY as a LAST RESORT, and then ONLY when our security is in jeopardy! Partisans for peace are doing their part, behind closed doors on the Hill. Please do your part, on behalf of peace."

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The Day The Earth Stood Still [2008] - OFFICIAL TRAILER (HD)

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The first official trailer of The Day The Earth Stood Still, upcoming science-fiction remake movie starring Keanu Reeves and Jennifer Connolly, has finally been released online.

The Day the Earth Stood Still is a 2008 science fiction film, a remake of the 1951 film of the same name. Directed by Scott Derrickson and starring Keanu Reeves as Klaatu, the film updates the Cold War themes of man against man, to the more contemporary concerns of man against nature.


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All the evidence seems to suggest that integration into human society is the aliens' ultimate goal. And all their efforts and activities appear to be geared toward complete control of the humans on Earth. Indeed, the abductees are already living with the burden of alien visitation and manipulation.

It is now possible to discern at least four specific programs that the aliens have put into effect to achieve their goal:

1. The Abduction Program. The aliens initially selected human victims around the world and instituted procedures to take these humans and their progeny from their environments without detection.

2. The Breeding Program. The aliens collect human sperm and eggs, genetically alter the fertilized embryo, incubate fetuses in human hosts, and make humans mentally and physically interact with the offspring for proper hybrid development.

3. The Hybridization Program. The aliens refine the hybrids by continual alteration and breeding with humans over the generations to become more human while retaining crucial alien characteristics. Perhaps humans are also altered over time and acquire alien characteristics.

4. The Integration Program. The aliens prepare the abductees for future events. Eventually, the hybrids or the aliens themselves integrate into human society and assume control.

The aliens have suggested that the time is not far off when their programs will end and they will have achieved their goal. Many abductees feel that "something is going to happen" soon and that the aliens have their goal within sight. Claudia Negron was told that time is short:

One of them is talking to me.

What is he saying?

He's saying that I am helping them and that I should feel proud of that. They're happy with me, and that I'm helping them a lot. They say they need to do this, they have to do this, and that I should be happy I'm a part of this. They can't tell exactly what it is right now, but they will later. At another time they'll tell me.

They'll tell you what it is?

They'll tell me what it is, and they'll show me. They'll take me there and show me, but right now they can't. It's almost complete but not yet. There is more they have to do....

So he says that it's almost complete, but not quite, and they still have some things to do? ...

Well, I understand that he's talking about the future and that he's talking about them—their race. They have to be so secret about it. It has to be that way, otherwise it would never work.33

Pam Martin was led to believe that the alien agenda had three stages—gradual, accelerated, and sudden. The aliens indicated to her that they are now in the accelerated stage and she felt that "all this is going to 'go down' sooner than what people think."34 An alien told Jason Howard that it would happen around 1999.35 The aliens are generally vague about dates, but most imply that The Change will come, as they told Claudia Negron in 1997 when she directly asked, "Soon. Very soon."36The indications are that this could mean from within the next five years to within the next two generations.

It is disturbing that the aliens and hybrids seem primarily concerned with the Earth, not with human beings; they do not comment on the preservation of life or the value of humanity or human institutions. They say they want to make a better world, but they never talk about partnership with humans, peaceful coexistence, equality. Reshma Kamal was told that after The Change, there will be only one form of government: The insectlike aliens will be in complete control. There will be no necessity to continue national governments. There will be "one system" and "one goal."

As if to reaffirm their plan, when aliens talk about the future, they do not say what most abductees and researchers want them to say: "Soon we will be gone. Our program is at an end. Thank you for your help. Once we leave no one will be sure we were ever here." This is never stated. The future for the aliens and hybrids is always a future on Earth where they will be integrated with humans. They offer no other possibility.

There is yet another very disturbing aspect to the aliens' view of the future. When they refer to the "humans," they are talking about abductees. The future of, and with, nonabductees is rarely the subject of much conversation. They told Reshma Kamal that nonabductees will be kept as a small breeding population in case the hybridization program has unforeseen problems. Allison Reed was led to believe that nonabductees are expendable. The evidence seems to suggest that the future will be played out primarily with aliens, hybrids, and abductees. The nonabductees will have an inferior role, if any at all. The new order will be insectlike aliens in control, followed by other aliens, hybrids, abductees, and, finally, nonabductees.


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Dan Burisch:

We probably get more messages about Dan and his detailed, complex, important testimony than any other of our witnesses. It will be worthwhile to spend a little time on his story here.

There are a number of sites on the internet that are almost rabid in their criticism of Dan. Some individuals seem to spend most of their lives attacking his credibility (and one has to wonder who is paying them for this apparent full-time job!). One also has to wonder why they focus so much of their attention on him in particular.

Even UncleJohn and I, along with many others, recognize the probable fact that Dan Burisch is the one 'insider' with access to the top who has been given the little bit we are to have of 'Disclosure'. So, it's not about Dan Burisch, just as it's not about me or we. It's more about what Dan's superiors are keeping from Dan as well as the public and why they've so limited Dan as to manipulate him from dawn to dusk and beyond. Why the radical make-over when Dan was allowed to speak, after his induction into the Priory of Sion ? (Oh excuse me, I guess we can't talk about that since they swore to deny their membership if ever asked).


When we met Dan for the first time, in July 2006, he showed us certain documents, not in the public domain, establishing his ID and bona fides. There are reasons why these are not publicly available, and we were asked to sign an NDA (a non-disclosure agreement).

Good grief; there's nothing special to that! I was convinced years ago he really did get his doctorate from SUNY, though it was an "accelerated path" that no other student could get. I was there when Dan talked about how he was going to get a replacement one courtesy of the Vatican if SUNY didn't comply, as if the Pope was the Wizard of Oz! Making folks like Shady and I the Wicked Witches of the East and West, I suppose! And Uncle John as Dorothy's Uncle Henry or the Good Witch of the Grateful Dead, or perhaps Gayelette who enchants the Golden Cap to enable the Witch to control the Winged Monkeys?

He also showed some of those documents to Rob Simone on stage in his live interview, before an audience of 300 people, at the Laughlin UFO Conference on 1 March, 2008. Rob examined the documents in public view, nodded in understanding, and then continued with the interview. That was a very important thing to happen publicly.

Don't look at the little man behind the curtain, Bill! Kerry! Ignore him! Who cares about the sheepskin? It's not about the sheepskin!

We’ve met them privately on a number of occasions, the last time (as we write this) being dinner in early April. Before that, we’d met them for five hours on 10 December 2007 when Dan told us all about 'Timeline 1, variant 83' after his discharge from a several-month long classified project in which he was out of communication with us and everyone else except Marci for National Security reasons. The fact that he was indeed incommunicado we can attest to personally.

For more on this, see our important report on Timeline 1, variant 83 here, and our equally important 5 June 2008 addition to the What’s New page here.

Guys, stop pushing this balderdash until we can have it authenticated to a reasonable degree. You can say it is credible, but I say to you that you have been victimized by a well-organized coterie of bamboozlers, who convince themselves they are doing it to you for the good of all....the better to keep the real truth from gaining any traction.


That this is interesting material, vital to understand, is an understatement. We encourage you to take eight very worthwhile minutes to see this short video, which is a clip from a security camera in Dan’s office (posted by Marci with his permission) showing Dan’s evident, very real anger and frustration at some things that had been happening. He was unaware that he was being recorded at the time. The sincerity of his emotion is striking and compelling.

My sources always pointed out to me, in different ways, how this was always the best attribute of Dan's, and used to great affect. Even though those of us he was ordered to 'divest' himself from, such as ourselves, were guided to the denouement by visions of the 'Looking Glass', we always agree that Dan is nothing if not sincere. He was carefully groomed not to appear insincere, though at times it colors him in a Napoleonic personality.

The important part of the details of Dan's testimony were independently confirmed by our insider source Henry Deacon - who had not previously heard of Dan. This is extremely important, as Henry was able to support the more challenging parts of Dan's testimony: that we had been visited by time-traveling future humans, that resulting from this there were difficult and complex problems with entangled and overlapping timelines, and that there were major threats to the human race in the relatively near future.

Yes, yes, yes, many of us accept the fact that Dan had a relationship with a J-rod, who was allegedly from Zeta Reticuli and probably was from all accounts. What comes into question is that Zetan's claims he was from a "future reality" of our history. Also, that same Zetan (Chi'el'ah) made other claims to Dan, such as the image Dan took to heart of the J-Rod race mobilizing zombified humans to build the Great Pyramid, with a J-Rod appearing as the Pharoah. While Dan may have been given that impression, it is those impressions that may have been intentionally - and deceitfully - shown to him for purposes of disinforming him, and through him Majestic, and through them and their flunkies, the rest of us in this manipulated-media-world.

Henry also knew something about Stargate technology, though he stated he did not recognize the Looking Glass technology as described and drawn by Dan, and nor had he encountered Majestic (MJ-12) in his career - at least by that name. This is not unusual.

It's important to note that Henry Deacon, like many whistleblowers, had his particular level of clearance within the areas in the black projects on which he worked. While he seemed to cover a wider area of information to which he was exposed, his clearance like others only went up so far. Judging from the nature of Dan's role within Majestic or the Committee of the Majority over the years, it is likely that Dan was exposed to higher levels of clearance and was dealing with the very highest levels of authority within the Secret Government.

Dan has made an open commitment to us and others that he will always answer all questions honestly to the best of his ability except where he is not at liberty to reveal information due to his level of clearance and signed non-disclosure agreements. It's significant that he says that Majestic is currently made up of different individuals than when he was involved - the changing of the guard happened a short while ago. Dan himself has been 'retired' and is now able to pursue his work on Project Lotus full time.

Having no argument with the relative truthfulness of this emphasized statement doesn't make him any less complicit.

It's important to keep in mind that when someone who has deep security classification retires from either one of the alphabet agencies or another group from within the secret government, they can be re-instated at any time (even, some would say, against their will). In Dan's case he was "called back in" over the summer and early fall of 2007 to assist the new group on various matters - including new information learned from 'the Orion Cube' or some similar type of time-portal device - in ways that that he was uniquely qualified to do due to his relationship with the P-52k J-Rod known as Chi'el'ah. We do not know all the details about this. We can say that not all the information we have received from Dan has been published.

I can attest to that, having some of it myself. However, it's become unseemly to suggest that, since we haven't even been able to challenge the basic veracity of what he HAS provided.

For those wrestling with the details of Dan's complex testimony we would like to state here possibly the most important single piece of information: that the 2012 pole shift, suffered by the future humans in their history, has now been averted due to the decommissioning of the Looking Glasses and Stargates. We believe this is credible and important and Dan himself certainly believes this.

Bill and Kerry; you're quickly becoming accomplices in defrauding the public. Many of us find it not "in" credible, but "anti-credible". I suggest we join forces in demanding verification of the "credibility" from the source of the law of the land, and stop accepting what's proferred at face-value.


Some people point to aspects of Dan's testimony that seem to contradict what others have stated. One obvious example is that Dan says he knows of three visiting species (all time-traveling future humans) together with one interdimensional species about which he knows very little. On the other hand, Clifford Stone has stated that he knows of 57 different visiting species, while Henry Deacon told us he was aware of "over 40".

We see no contradiction here. Dan is simply reporting what he is aware of or had been briefed on. There's not much else he can do apart from report what he knows.


Naturally. This isn't a point of contention for many; it's the suggestions that the alleged "Looking Glass" is a real device, and really provides what Majestic 12 believed. That there is a "smoke n' mirrors" device is indisputable; it's referred to more charitably as "gases n' lenses" by those who rationalize its claims. The same with the "stargates". Let us see one, with working parts, and not a prop in a movie. Let us see the recorded visions of the future. You say you aren't allowed to do such a crass thing? Well then, who gave you permission to re-arrange our destiny based on things this device claims to have done? Who was that? I thought so...and you've secured 2/3rds of the Senate's votes on it? Ah-hah. Thought so.

Our point of view is that the true number of visiting species is probably closer to Clifford Stone's figure (or even greater). Dan is unwilling to do is to speculate on what he has not himself encountered.
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Luca Scantamburlo:

Our experience with Luca cannot be discussed without also debating Planet X, possibly the biggest bone of contention among all our material. We're often asked what we think of the evidence he provides, especially as Leo Zagami states clearly that Cristoforo Barbato (whose evidence Luca represents) was the victim of a Jesuit sting operation and that no such threat exists.

We can best reply by first stating as a fact that Luca reports he has been threatened and intimidated since the publication of his interview with us, and has now not only withdrawn contact but has also ceased his research into the area. We do not know exactly what happened, but clearly something has. This is not to be dismissed. We sincerely hope to resume contact with Luca in the future should circumstances permit.

Second, we agree that there is circumstantial evidence, also not to be dismissed, that a major unknown body in the solar system exists - possibly a small 'brown dwarf' star and maybe heading inwards on a long, inclined, elliptical orbit. Henry Deacon confirmed to us personally that he had heard about such a object, classified as secret, when he was working for a spell at NOAA.

We are not so sure that this object, if it exists, represents a dire threat. That evidence is more based on the work of Zecharia Sitchin (who himself states that Nibiru, if this is what 'Planet X' is, will not be returning for several hundred years). We believe there's a huge amount of hype about this subject on the internet and much (but maybe not all) of it can be discounted as being groundless.

It must be clearly stated that the testimony about Planet X (just four words: "Planet X is coming") from our Norwegian Politician source is not reliable, and he has since confirmed that to us. His personal experiences with the underground bases we believe are very real, but the Planet X connection he made was a conjecture based on a conversation he had had and one or two things he'd read and heard about.

It was not solid experiential testimony. In short, we are no closer to knowing as reported fact the real reason for the underground bases all over the world... though we are certain they exist.

[b]Yet you go on immediately a moment later to say the following! Making no connection at all.......claim naivete if charged as accomplices.


If Planet X is indeed real, it should become visible in about a year's time (mid-2009) in the Southern Hemisphere, in which event the Powers That Be will not be able to silence the voices of thousands of amateur astronomers in dozens of countries. So we are watching and waiting with great interest...[/b]
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My humble personal opinion on Kerry & Bill is that they lack a bit of perspicacity and objectivity. Losing objectivity is normal since they are the ones meeting and interviewing the whistleblowers.
But I love them anyway. : ]


Cyberbird, I'm curious about the elements above that you added emphasis to. Can you elaborate on why? I vented a bit, as you may have noticed, so edited my earlier comment.

My own opinion agrees with yours in many respects, with the exception that my "brotherly love" for them is tempered by recognition of their occasional fraudulence (the gullibility is an additional problem, as "increasing incompetence is virtually indistinguishable from malice"). They - together as "Project Camelot" - were targeted by OPeration RESearch (SERPO) to see if they could operate in the 'ufer' community with the false 'disclosure' masking a new Coverup. I think they passed with flying colors, and are now the more-or-less "official" dispersal point for whistleblowers from black-ops, stamped with the approval of Majestic 12 whose heads are Veep 'Big Dick' Cheney and DNI 'Dadmiral' McConnell. HELL-OHHHH!?!? Is it any wonder Marcia likes this boss of hers? Has anyone else considered the implications of that relationship?

The story of "Alex Wallenwein" is yet another case in point. In this instance, the 'destiny of his message' is ultimately a good one, though it pushes the 'War with Iran' line that's the sheckinah du jour. And we don't need the IMF to intervene via the Fed; the Fed has been under control of the Rothschilds via its chairman. That's one reason this person steps down when he wants to retire, or at the behest of Rothschild, not the President. Ever see a president fire a chairman of the Fed? They appoint from a very short list - usually made up of one name - that's given to them well in advance.

The Continuing Strangulation of the Fourth Amendment - "FISA" Bill Extends Immunity For Illegal Surveillance

Speaking of politics;

Today saw the sad catastrophe of the so-called "FISA" Bill become law. And though it looked for a time like Obama would stand by principle and vote against it if it contained the unconstitutional telecom immunity, and yes he voted for the amendments to strip the immunity, but in the end he toed the corporate line. His rationale was as weak and tepid as my own support has become. I'm thinking of writing in Russ Feingold on Nov 4th. Now that it's all over, I'll share a little bit of what I was working on, and hope that some of you readers can write similar letters and demand an answer as to the implications in the two affidavits that Dan signed:

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I don't believe that this is the extent of it at all, not by a long shot, but for the purpose it's bad enough. I only attached the first 2 pages of the Affidavit of April 13th, 2005, and without the transcript - which is riddled with so much that's misleading.

I expect to have a new "drop box" shortly, and am asking that any and all 'patriotic insiders' send me their "alias" name and a "service number", which isn't "official" and that only they and I will know. A brief idea of information you can attest to that will illustrate the Coverup, not just the "official" stories we're spoon-fed from Camelot with their spin on it. Use the kind of standard paper, pen and envelope sold at any 7-11 in the US, print with your left hand (or right, if you're normally a south-paw), and use distilled water to moisten the standard postage stamp (no DNA on the saliva used to lick it). I'll have two addresses once again to send to, as a stop-gap (try to send one to each). Use a latex glove as much as possible, again to avoid DNA detection. It goes without saying, do NOT use any real identification such as your real name, real service number, rank, title, etc. Just make sure that you can identify both the alias name and related code number.

I look forward to hearing from as many of you as can make the relatively minor risk to help in this hour of crisis, because many of you know that this quiet before the storm could be better used than by acquiesence. I want to make sure the relevant information slowly seeps into all the nooks and crannies of this 110th, inexorably, so that even if no-one publicly admits to it, privately it will be the buzz of the page/intern/clerk/assistant sub-culture of the capital. Enough so that a champion of the "Majestic Authorization & Disclosure Act of 2009" will finally feel impelled to step forward and own up to what's truly going on.

Here's hoping to the 'Big Picture' made clearer to all, and soon.

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This would make a horrible sort of sense.

I've often wondered why, if genuine, open, free communication and co-operation with humans in some sort of 'intergalactic brotherhood' was the grey agenda then why not just mass land and be open and friendly? Afterall, what would all the Governments across the globe be able to do about it? We are, I assume, pretty inferior in fire-power so attacks in fear and panic by our military seems logically unlikely. And despite the claim humans would 'mass panic' I think people would not do so if the visitors made it obvious they meant no harm and made open overtures to Earth authorities of friendship.

Or is the reality dirty deals were made with deluded earthly Governments many decades back now and the seeds were sown for the secret intrusion. Realising too late their mistake our authorities dare not 'fess up' now, but instead continue to lie and disinfo the public, so aiding the alien agenda.

I had to chuckle last night when a BBC re-run of the 'Welsh Triangle' UFO sightings over Broadhaven area was shown (UK). Studious attention was paid to lights in the sky and how they were obviously linked to the military bases! Only scant mention of the sightings of silver-suited giants seen by the occupants of Ripperstone Farm, among others. And then, oh surprise! A local man confesses he borrowed a suit and played a prank - again, the prog skipped the fact that the figure that peered through the downstairs window must have been about 8 ft tall as it had to bend to look in at the family, while all the house electrics went haywire. Rendlesham Woods was also mentioned, but, hey all those silly soldiers just mistook a lighthouse beam out at sea for a red light moving through the trees towards them! There was no mention of the reports of Holt being seen to approach the lighthouse on it's second visit and apparently communicate with it/occupants!

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Guys I normally don’t issue warnings like this so this is a first!


After three consecutive nights of on-line chats with certain friends ex intelligence operatives for Germany and Latvia. (today anti N.W.O Anti Globalist Truthseekers and part time esoteric researchers). They are CONFIRMING Bill Ryans and Kerry Cassidy source of July 7th! About the Oct/Nov coming storm for the USA. According their old contacts in the their respective fields. “America is being sucked into an October Surprise in Iran.” With the FULL backing of the Russian Bear. Prince Vlad and hardliners are no longer ‘amused’ with Bush’s missile shield program and are throwing FULL support and weight behind Iran. Meanwhile Iran has been given the go head to provoke the USA into another mire and muck fight getting them blogged down in the middle east.

Meanwhile on the esoteric front. The European Illuminati (under the control of the Rothschilds and the bankers are going to “implode” the US economy. In a TWO pronged attack. Apparently The EU Europeans and Berger misters (Builderbergs) are sick and tired of US dominance in World Affairs and want Europe (Not the USA) as top man on the totem pole for the rest of the century So the order has been directly given. America is to be brought down on its knees in front of the European thrones. Iran is literally going to be America’s “Armageddon” both in the cost of boots on the ground and in the wall street jungle. An Bush and the Neo-Con / Freemasons are completely and totally blind and obessed with their “New American Century.” Agenda to see that they’re about to smacked upside the head and chopped off at the knees while only two allies they have left (England and France) will pull an “You too Brutos?” at the last minute.

Once complete. They plan to install Obama and usher in the New Socialist Dependent on the Europeans American Century instead.

I’m being warned repeatedly over these three nights. To stock up! Prepare! Put in at least three months of supplies and get out of the major cities if possible! I’ve also been shown certain bank transactions a cornucopia of the whose who of Forbes Fortune 500 who are transferring OUT of the US as quickly as possible their wealth and putting into Swiss and Offshore Accounts, while they are buying up every available restate in South America or Europe. ITS FRIGHTENING at the speed the wealth is flowing OUT of the Usa in the past three months. Not only has Elvis left the building, but his jewels are bouncing off his costume as he runs as FAST as his chubby feet can carry him to the airport!

In the mortal words of Porky the American Pig… “Tha.. Aaa ttt’s All Folks!”


So given what I’ve been shown the past three nights of on-line conversation. I AM issuing this Warning.. If you haven’t prepared for a rainy gloomy day! START RIGHT NOW!!! You have three months Only Three Months before (even sooner if Bush the nut case strikes Iran.) you WILL Witness America become a Second Rate Nation and FORMER Superpower at all levels. As the Europeans take over leading the West.

You have been dually warning. I’m heading to wally world and Sam’s club in the morning need to stock up myself.


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http://projectcamelot.org/commentary.html

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Dan Burisch:

We probably get more messages about Dan and his detailed, complex, important testimony than any other of our witnesses. It will be worthwhile to spend a little time on his story here.

There are a number of sites on the internet that are almost rabid in their criticism of Dan. Some individuals seem to spend most of their lives attacking his credibility (and one has to wonder who is paying them for this apparent full-time job!). One also has to wonder why they focus so much of their attention on him in particular.

Even UncleJohn and I, along with many others, recognize the probable fact that Dan Burisch is the one 'insider' with access to the top who has been given the little bit we are to have of 'Disclosure'. So, it's not about Dan Burisch, just as it's not about me or we. It's more about what Dan's superiors are keeping from Dan as well as the public and why they've so limited Dan as to manipulate him from dawn to dusk and beyond. Why the radical make-over when Dan was allowed to speak, after his induction into the Priory of Sion ? (Oh excuse me, I guess we can't talk about that since they swore to deny their membership if ever asked).


When we met Dan for the first time, in July 2006, he showed us certain documents, not in the public domain, establishing his ID and bona fides. There are reasons why these are not publicly available, and we were asked to sign an NDA (a non-disclosure agreement).

Good grief; there's nothing special to that! I was convinced years ago he really did get his doctorate from SUNY, though it was an "accelerated path" that no other student could get. I was there when Dan talked about how he was going to get a replacement one courtesy of the Vatican if SUNY didn't comply, as if the Pope was the Wizard of Oz! Making folks like Shady and I the Wicked Witches of the East and West, I suppose! And Uncle John as Dorothy's Uncle Henry or the Good Witch of the Grateful Dead, or perhaps Gayelette who enchants the Golden Cap to enable the Witch to control the Winged Monkeys?

He also showed some of those documents to Rob Simone on stage in his live interview, before an audience of 300 people, at the Laughlin UFO Conference on 1 March, 2008. Rob examined the documents in public view, nodded in understanding, and then continued with the interview. That was a very important thing to happen publicly.

Don't look at the little man behind the curtain, Bill! Kerry! Ignore him! Who cares about the sheepskin? It's not about the sheepskin!

We’ve met them privately on a number of occasions, the last time (as we write this) being dinner in early April. Before that, we’d met them for five hours on 10 December 2007 when Dan told us all about 'Timeline 1, variant 83' after his discharge from a several-month long classified project in which he was out of communication with us and everyone else except Marci for National Security reasons. The fact that he was indeed incommunicado we can attest to personally.

For more on this, see our important report on Timeline 1, variant 83 here, and our equally important 5 June 2008 addition to the What’s New page here.

Guys, stop pushing this balderdash until we can have it authenticated to a reasonable degree. You can say it is credible, but I say to you that you have been victimized by a well-organized coterie of bamboozlers, who convince themselves they are doing it to you for the good of all....the better to keep the real truth from gaining any traction.


That this is interesting material, vital to understand, is an understatement. We encourage you to take eight very worthwhile minutes to see this short video, which is a clip from a security camera in Dan’s office (posted by Marci with his permission) showing Dan’s evident, very real anger and frustration at some things that had been happening. He was unaware that he was being recorded at the time. The sincerity of his emotion is striking and compelling.

My sources always pointed out to me, in different ways, how this was always the best attribute of Dan's, and used to great affect. Even though those of us he was ordered to 'divest' himself from, such as ourselves, were guided to the denouement by visions of the 'Looking Glass', we always agree that Dan is nothing if not sincere. He was carefully groomed not to appear insincere, though at times it colors him in a Napoleonic personality.

The important part of the details of Dan's testimony were independently confirmed by our insider source Henry Deacon - who had not previously heard of Dan. This is extremely important, as Henry was able to support the more challenging parts of Dan's testimony: that we had been visited by time-traveling future humans, that resulting from this there were difficult and complex problems with entangled and overlapping timelines, and that there were major threats to the human race in the relatively near future.

Yes, yes, yes, many of us accept the fact that Dan had a relationship with a J-rod, who was allegedly from Zeta Reticuli and probably was from all accounts. What comes into question is that Zetan's claims he was from a "future reality" of our history. Also, that same Zetan (Chi'el'ah) made other claims to Dan, such as the image Dan took to heart of the J-Rod race mobilizing zombified humans to build the Great Pyramid, with a J-Rod appearing as the Pharoah. While Dan may have been given that impression, it is those impressions that may have been intentionally - and deceitfully - shown to him for purposes of disinforming him, and through him Majestic, and through them and their flunkies, the rest of us in this manipulated-media-world.

Henry also knew something about Stargate technology, though he stated he did not recognize the Looking Glass technology as described and drawn by Dan, and nor had he encountered Majestic (MJ-12) in his career - at least by that name. This is not unusual.

It's important to note that Henry Deacon, like many whistleblowers, had his particular level of clearance within the areas in the black projects on which he worked. While he seemed to cover a wider area of information to which he was exposed, his clearance like others only went up so far. Judging from the nature of Dan's role within Majestic or the Committee of the Majority over the years, it is likely that Dan was exposed to higher levels of clearance and was dealing with the very highest levels of authority within the Secret Government.

Dan has made an open commitment to us and others that he will always answer all questions honestly to the best of his ability except where he is not at liberty to reveal information due to his level of clearance and signed non-disclosure agreements. It's significant that he says that Majestic is currently made up of different individuals than when he was involved - the changing of the guard happened a short while ago. Dan himself has been 'retired' and is now able to pursue his work on Project Lotus full time.

Having no argument with the relative truthfulness of this emphasized statement doesn't make him any less complicit.

It's important to keep in mind that when someone who has deep security classification retires from either one of the alphabet agencies or another group from within the secret government, they can be re-instated at any time (even, some would say, against their will). In Dan's case he was "called back in" over the summer and early fall of 2007 to assist the new group on various matters - including new information learned from 'the Orion Cube' or some similar type of time-portal device - in ways that that he was uniquely qualified to do due to his relationship with the P-52k J-Rod known as Chi'el'ah. We do not know all the details about this. We can say that not all the information we have received from Dan has been published.

I can attest to that, having some of it myself. However, it's become unseemly to suggest that, since we haven't even been able to challenge the basic veracity of what he HAS provided.

For those wrestling with the details of Dan's complex testimony we would like to state here possibly the most important single piece of information: that the 2012 pole shift, suffered by the future humans in their history, has now been averted due to the decommissioning of the Looking Glasses and Stargates. We believe this is credible and important and Dan himself certainly believes this.

Bill and Kerry; you're quickly becoming accomplices in defrauding the public. Many of us find it not "in" credible, but "anti-credible". I suggest we join forces in demanding verification of the "credibility" from the source of the law of the land, and stop accepting what's proferred at face-value.


Some people point to aspects of Dan's testimony that seem to contradict what others have stated. One obvious example is that Dan says he knows of three visiting species (all time-traveling future humans) together with one interdimensional species about which he knows very little. On the other hand, Clifford Stone has stated that he knows of 57 different visiting species, while Henry Deacon told us he was aware of "over 40".

We see no contradiction here. Dan is simply reporting what he is aware of or had been briefed on. There's not much else he can do apart from report what he knows.


Naturally. This isn't a point of contention for many; it's the suggestions that the alleged "Looking Glass" is a real device, and really provides what Majestic 12 believed. That there is a "smoke n' mirrors" device is indisputable; it's referred to more charitably as "gases n' lenses" by those who rationalize its claims. The same with the "stargates". Let us see one, with working parts, and not a prop in a movie. Let us see the recorded visions of the future. You say you aren't allowed to do such a crass thing? Well then, who gave you permission to re-arrange our destiny based on things this device claims to have done? Who was that? I thought so...and you've secured 2/3rds of the Senate's votes on it? Ah-hah. Thought so.

Our point of view is that the true number of visiting species is probably closer to Clifford Stone's figure (or even greater). Dan is unwilling to do is to speculate on what he has not himself encountered.
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Luca Scantamburlo:

Our experience with Luca cannot be discussed without also debating Planet X, possibly the biggest bone of contention among all our material. We're often asked what we think of the evidence he provides, especially as Leo Zagami states clearly that Cristoforo Barbato (whose evidence Luca represents) was the victim of a Jesuit sting operation and that no such threat exists.

We can best reply by first stating as a fact that Luca reports he has been threatened and intimidated since the publication of his interview with us, and has now not only withdrawn contact but has also ceased his research into the area. We do not know exactly what happened, but clearly something has. This is not to be dismissed. We sincerely hope to resume contact with Luca in the future should circumstances permit.

Second, we agree that there is circumstantial evidence, also not to be dismissed, that a major unknown body in the solar system exists - possibly a small 'brown dwarf' star and maybe heading inwards on a long, inclined, elliptical orbit. Henry Deacon confirmed to us personally that he had heard about such a object, classified as secret, when he was working for a spell at NOAA.

We are not so sure that this object, if it exists, represents a dire threat. That evidence is more based on the work of Zecharia Sitchin (who himself states that Nibiru, if this is what 'Planet X' is, will not be returning for several hundred years). We believe there's a huge amount of hype about this subject on the internet and much (but maybe not all) of it can be discounted as being groundless.

It must be clearly stated that the testimony about Planet X (just four words: "Planet X is coming") from our Norwegian Politician source is not reliable, and he has since confirmed that to us. His personal experiences with the underground bases we believe are very real, but the Planet X connection he made was a conjecture based on a conversation he had had and one or two things he'd read and heard about.

It was not solid experiential testimony. In short, we are no closer to knowing as reported fact the real reason for the underground bases all over the world... though we are certain they exist.

[b]Yet you go on immediately a moment later to say the following! Making no connection at all.......claim naivete if charged as accomplices.


If Planet X is indeed real, it should become visible in about a year's time (mid-2009) in the Southern Hemisphere, in which event the Powers That Be will not be able to silence the voices of thousands of amateur astronomers in dozens of countries. So we are watching and waiting with great interest...[/b]
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My humble personal opinion on Kerry & Bill is that they lack a bit of perspicacity and objectivity. Losing objectivity is normal since they are the ones meeting and interviewing the whistleblowers.
But I love them anyway. : ]


Cyberbird, I'm curious about the elements above that you added emphasis to. Can you elaborate on why? I vented a bit, as you may have noticed, so edited my earlier comment.

My own opinion agrees with yours in many respects, with the exception that my "brotherly love" for them is tempered by recognition of their occasional fraudulence (the gullibility is an additional problem, as "increasing incompetence is virtually indistinguishable from malice"). They - together as "Project Camelot" - were targeted by OPeration RESearch (SERPO) to see if they could operate in the 'ufer' community with the false 'disclosure' masking a new Coverup. I think they passed with flying colors, and are now the more-or-less "official" dispersal point for whistleblowers from black-ops, stamped with the approval of Majestic 12 whose heads are Veep 'Big Dick' Cheney and DNI 'Dadmiral' McConnell. HELL-OHHHH!?!? Is it any wonder Marcia likes this boss of hers? Has anyone else considered the implications of that relationship?

The story of "Alex Wallenwein" is yet another case in point. In this instance, the 'destiny of his message' is ultimately a good one, though it pushes the 'War with Iran' line that's the sheckinah du jour. And we don't need the IMF to intervene via the Fed; the Fed has been under control of the Rothschilds via its chairman. That's one reason this person steps down when he wants to retire, or at the behest of Rothschild, not the President. Ever see a president fire a chairman of the Fed? They appoint from a very short list - usually made up of one name - that's given to them well in advance.

The Continuing Strangulation of the Fourth Amendment - "FISA" Bill Extends Immunity For Illegal Surveillance

Speaking of politics;

Today saw the sad catastrophe of the so-called "FISA" Bill become law. And though it looked for a time like Obama would stand by principle and vote against it if it contained the unconstitutional telecom immunity, and yes he voted for the amendments to strip the immunity, but in the end he toed the corporate line. His rationale was as weak and tepid as my own support has become. I'm thinking of writing in Russ Feingold on Nov 4th. Now that it's all over, I'll share a little bit of what I was working on, and hope that some of you readers can write similar letters and demand an answer as to the implications in the two affidavits that Dan signed:

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I don't believe that this is the extent of it at all, not by a long shot, but for the purpose it's bad enough. I only attached the first 2 pages of the Affidavit of April 13th, 2005, and without the transcript - which is riddled with so much that's misleading.

I expect to have a new "drop box" shortly, and am asking that any and all 'patriotic insiders' send me their "alias" name and a "service number", which isn't "official" and that only they and I will know. A brief idea of information you can attest to that will illustrate the Coverup, not just the "official" stories we're spoon-fed from Camelot with their spin on it. Use the kind of standard paper, pen and envelope sold at any 7-11 in the US, print with your left hand (or right, if you're normally a south-paw), and use distilled water to moisten the standard postage stamp (no DNA on the saliva used to lick it). I'll have two addresses once again to send to, as a stop-gap (try to send one to each). Use a latex glove as much as possible, again to avoid DNA detection. It goes without saying, do NOT use any real identification such as your real name, real service number, rank, title, etc. Just make sure that you can identify both the alias name and related code number.

I look forward to hearing from as many of you as can make the relatively minor risk to help in this hour of crisis, because many of you know that this quiet before the storm could be better used than by acquiesence. I want to make sure the relevant information slowly seeps into all the nooks and crannies of this 110th, inexorably, so that even if no-one publicly admits to it, privately it will be the buzz of the page/intern/clerk/assistant sub-culture of the capital. Enough so that a champion of the "Majestic Authorization & Disclosure Act of 2009" will finally feel impelled to step forward and own up to what's truly going on.

Here's hoping to the 'Big Picture' made clearer to all, and soon.
I'm hearing ya D.D.I think Bill and Kerry are extremely naive and easily lead....quite simply...cannon fodder for those wanting to blindside them...and boy!are they being blindsided.


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Don wrote

"I want to make sure the relevant information slowly seeps into all the nooks and crannies of this 110th, inexorably, so that even if no-one publicly admits to it, privately it will be the buzz of the page/intern/clerk/assistant sub-culture of the capital. Enough so that a champion of the "Majestic Authorization & Disclosure Act of 2009" will finally feel impelled to step forward and own up to what's truly going on. "

Good luck with that, Don. I follow all these events regarding Dan and disclosure with interest. I'm not as informed as I once was of the situation re; public admittance of ET and contact in the UK now as I don't go to conferences etc.

Your warning, Shady, does sound alarming. But not surprising considering the loathing Bush has stirred up by his actions since coming into office. I'm sorry to see the UK Blair government still brown-nosing the fool.

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Greetings everyone

Been a lurker here for the past 3 month, and it has been a rough ride, as my past "beliefs" have been stomped and dismissed. 4 month ago, I knew nothing about anything, and just did my own routine, until I got a headache, which I still have today.
That day, for some reason, I changed my browsing habits and ended here, and been reading the whole 4.1 thread.
Very interesting stuff indeed.

Concerning Shady's warning, here are a couple of links that might confirm it.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080709/113618929.html

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080708/113478677.html

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something twisted but funny for the weekend

http://www.mydamnchannel.com/Big_Fat_Br ... 1_398.aspx

(it is a series - leave it on and they run back to back)


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Welcome to the forum, Angeldust66, and don't be afraid to post questions or opinions.

Shady wrote:
You have been dually warning. I’m heading to wally world and Sam’s club in the morning need to stock up myself.


The Master of the Malaprop strkes again! Well-said, Shady, considering that I believe you're hearing from the lower-level people who've been practically existing on the saber-rattling towards Iran for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's true, that HAS been the agenda all along, the agenda of the neo-cons and their champions Big Dick n' Dadmiral and the Zionists they work for. But I will wager $100 there will NOT be a war with Iran, despite all the foaming at the mouth. Many want that to be the "October Surprise", since everyone knows that once Obama takes office all that will be off the table.

On the other hand, your "dual warning" is helpful, because it means that if people heed the warning, they'll at least be prepared to be reasonably self-sufficient and not taking up space in Garden Plot and Rex 84 "work camps".

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On a different subject; I left a message on Kerry Cassady's phone yesterday, suggesting that she and Bill may want to speak before I update the front page of the danburisch.info site. I'll be surprised if I hear back from them before 48 hours has elapsed, but I needed to make sure I extended them the courtesy which is often lacking in the "ufer" community they appeal to.

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And finally, after having been told this years ago, we are finally seeing a bit of stirring in the mainstream media about the pre-planned disinfo "2012" date. Between 2012 and the Sun "shakin' its booty", anything smacking even vaguely of the dreaded "Planet X" is ridiculed - ridiculed precisely because it is what is most feared, so feared it isn't even admitted to by many that are "preparing". On the other hand, "2012" (being a date safely far enough away as to allow for it) and the Sun's "gamma rays" will come in for even more attention, encouraged by the dispersers of disinfo that set up Project Camelot first with SERPO.

This is from the mainstream ABC News website (and yes, even as I type this Larry King Live on CNN is airing another special on the "Stephensville UFO Sightings").

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Will the World End in 2012?

Thousands Worldwide Prepare for the Apocalypse, Expected in 2012

By CHRISTINE BROUWER
July 3, 2008

Two years ago, Patrick Geryl, then 51, quit his job as a laboratory worker for a French oil company. He'd saved up just enough money to last him until December 2012. After that, he thought, he wouldn't need it anyway.

Unprecedented catastrophe will precede the end of the world in 2012, believers say, such as massive earthquakes, tidal waves and volcanic eruptions, among other calamities.
(ABC News Photo Illustration)Instead, Geryl, a soft-spoken man who had studied chemistry in his younger years, started preparing for the apocalypse. He founded a "survival group" for likeminded men and women, aimed at living through the catastrophe he knew was coming.

He started gathering materials necessary to survive — water purifiers, wheelbarrows (with spare tires), dust masks and vegetable seeds. His list of survival goods runs 11 pages long.

"You have to understand, there will be nothing, nothing left," Geryl told ABC News from his home in Antwerp, Belgium. "We will have to start an entire civilization from scratch."

That's because Geryl believes the world as we know it will end in 2012. He points to the ancient Maya cyclical calendars, the longest of which last renewed itself approximately 5,125 years ago and is set to end again, supposedly with catastrophic consequences, in 2012. He speaks of the ancient Egyptians, who, he claims, saw 2012 as a year of great change too. And he points to science: NASA predicts a sharp increase in the number of sunspots and sun flares for 2012, he said, sure to cause electrical failures and satellite disruptions.

All this adds up, Geryl said, to unprecedented catastrophe. First, a polar reversal will cause the north to become the south and the sun to rise in the west. Shattering earthquakes, massive tidal waves and simultaneous volcanic eruptions will follow. Nuclear reactors will melt, buildings will crumble, and a cloud of volcanic dust will block out the sun for 40 years. Only the prepared will survive, Geryl said, and not even all of them.
These may sound like the ravings of a madman, or perhaps the head of a small apocalyptic sect. But Geryl is not the only one who believes in the apocalypse. Thousands of people worldwide seem to be preparing, in one way or another, for the end of days in 2012. Survival groups exist in Europe, Canada and the United States. A simple Google search for "2012" and "the end of the world" brings up nearly 300,000 hits. And the video-sharing Web site YouTube hosts more than 65,000 clips informing and warning viewers about their fate in 2012.

"It's bigger than Y2K," said Mark van Stone, a specialist of Maya hieroglyphic writings and author of a forthcoming book on 2012. "The year is like a pop song or a popular movie. You type in 2012, and you get hundreds of thousands of hits."

Dennis McClung, 28, a project manager for Home Depot from Phoenix, Ariz., runs one of the Web sites dedicated to 2012, an online survival supply store, which sells gas masks, knife kits, bullet-proof vests and more.

"I'm not a firm believer in one specific prophecy," said McClung, who runs his site with his wife, Danielle. "But I think we ought to be prepared for anything."

Even with December 2012 still 4½ years away, McClung said business is booming. His Web site, which features an "official 2012 countdown" clock and exhorts customers to "be smart, be ready," averages several thousand visitors a week. McClung's best-sellers, he said, are emergency medical supplies and water purifiers.

"I get a lot of hits from India. I get a lot of hits from the Netherlands," McClung said. "But my No. 1 customer is the U.S."

One of those customers is Thomas Lehmann, a 25-year-old factory worker from Cape Girardeau, Mo. Lehmann said he started researching 2012 when he was 12 years old, and still spends about two hours a day reading about the topic both online and in books. He said he is saving money for survival gear.

"Whatever happens, I'm just trying to be prepared for it," Lehmann said. "I'm just learning to be independent of the system. I mean electricity, vehicles, alternate sources of energy. I'm learning to live without gas, basically be self-reliant."

"If this stuff does happen," Lehmann said, adding, "I have a way to eat. I can hunt, I can fish and I can purify water. I think it's people in the big cities that need to be worried. People that can't provide for themselves."

But for all the hype, there is little evidence the ancient Maya ever intended for the end of their calendar to be read as a portent for disaster.

"These prophecies of doom really don't have any basis in what we know about the Maya," said Stephen Houston, a professor of anthropology at Brown University and a specialist of Maya hieroglyphic writing. "The Maya descriptions barely talk about this event."

Instead, Houston said, the Maya saw their "long count" — the longest of their cyclical calendars — coming to an end in 2012 but also beginning anew on that date, without disastrous consequences.

"Really, it's a conversion of people's anxieties about our times, and finding some remote mythological precedent or prediction of it," Houston said about the origins of the current 2012 myths. "People like to believe that ancient wisdom is somehow predicting this time of upheaval."

John Hall, a professor of sociology at the University of California Davis who is writing a book on the history of apocalyptic ideas, agreed. He said movements predicting the end of the world often reflect a much larger nervousness about the state of our society.

"Terrorism, 9/11, ecological disasters, floods and earthquakes," Hall said. "[There is] a sense that modern civilization has had its run. Those kinds of anxieties are much more widely shared than simply among people who believe in the exact date."

To Lehmann, though, those very events are warnings of what's to come.

"We had Hurricane Katrina, the recent cyclone in Myanmar," Lehmann said. "We've got major flooding in Iowa. We're always going to have natural disasters. But they are picking up quite frequently now."

Lehmann said he eventually hoped to move away from Cape Girardeau, built on the banks of the Mississippi River, to the higher plains of southwest Missouri to keep safe from the floods sure to follow the earthquakes of 2012.

Geryl and his Belgian and Dutch followers have similar intentions, though their plan will take them much farther from home. They are looking to buy a plot of land high up in African mountains, where they'll be able to withstand the monstrous tidal waves and wait out the cloud of volcanic dust that they said would block out the sun.

Geryl said the group has recently zeroed in on a location, but won't reveal his find for fear of tipping off rival survival groups in the United States and Canada. On that land, Geryl's group, whose core membership consists of 16 people but whose wait list supposedly lists hundreds, will build concrete dwellings or outfit caves for survival.

After the cloud clears, Geryl said, they will attempt to create a new, better civilization.

"A guiding principle will be to keep the world population as small as possible so as not to get into the same problems we face now," Geryl said, adding that the group is currently looking for sponsors and hopes to move to Africa in 2011. "There is too little oil, too little grain in the world now. Those are the kinds of problems we want to avoid."

One of the group's members, Jan, a 57-year-old carpenter from Amsterdam whose name has been changed because he doesn't want to be identified in the press, recently drove five hours to attend one of Geryl's meetings in Antwerp.

"I thought, if there's a chance that we can start a new civilization, I want to contribute," Jan told ABC News. "Because whether I make it or not, and there's only a small chance I will, this is important."

Jan, who has never been married and has no children, said he has lost friends over 2012.

"All the people I've ever told about this have declared me crazy," he said. "It makes people feel uncomfortable. Now I just keep it to myself."

Geryl said he found comfort in sharing his knowledge with others. Since "discovering" what the future holds, he has written three books on 2012 and maintains a Web site on the subject.

When asked what would happen if December 2012 were to come and go without the earthquakes and tsunamis of his predictions, Geryl fell silent.

"I don't really contemplate that possibility," he said. "[My predictions] are so spectacular, they can't possibly be wrong."


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Juxtaposed on the third page of this are 3 "related" videos, the better to assuage any anxiety: "Forget 6/06/06: Every Day Is Doomsday" and "6/06/06: Is This The End?" are the first two.

Also, notice the set-up; first, the 'scenario', and then the "professionals" are hauled in to gently debunk the thesis and subtly belittle it. Finally, a subtle signal is sent to those "in the know"; the town where the last "individual" is shown to come from is Cape Girardeau, MO.......where the alleged first STS UFO 'crash' occurred, in 1941.

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IndyMac Bank customers in Pasadena encounter notices that the FDIC has closed the bank.

IndyMac Bank seized by federal regulators

The Pasadena-based thrift's failure is the second biggest ever by a U.S. bank. Doors will reopen Monday.

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Where's my money! I want my money! I need my money they're foreclosing my home!.. Stop hiding I see you behind the counter!


... Umm go away we closed early for the Sabbat.




Its only the start Don. "End of America is Here!"



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July 11 (Bloomberg) -- IndyMac Bancorp Inc. became the second-biggest federally insured financial company to be seized by U.S. regulators after a run by depositors left the California mortgage lender short on cash.







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Welcome to the forum, Angeldust66, and don't be afraid to post questions or opinions.

Shady wrote:
You have been dually warning. I’m heading to wally world and Sam’s club in the morning need to stock up myself.


The Master of the Malaprop strkes again! Well-said, Shady, considering that I believe you're hearing from the lower-level people who've been practically existing on the saber-rattling towards Iran for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. It's true, that HAS been the agenda all along, the agenda of the neo-cons and their champions Big Dick n' Dadmiral and the Zionists they work for. But I will wager $100 there will NOT be a war with Iran, despite all the foaming at the mouth. Many want that to be the "October Surprise", since everyone knows that once Obama takes office all that will be off the table.

On the other hand, your "dual warning" is helpful, because it means that if people heed the warning, they'll at least be prepared to be reasonably self-sufficient and not taking up space in Garden Plot and Rex 84 "work camps".

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Obama is going to be the New World Order Deal President (like Rosevelt upon which he will be based) . He'll offer America an new Deal Alright. Join the New One World Government 'They'll take care of your woe's ... oh but first you'll need this chip just a little pin prick won't hurt at all..


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Remember I talk to God all the time I'm a Born Again Christian. Infact its well known and reported that God appeared to me at Crawford Texas at the ranch and told me to invade Iraq.

I don't listen to my advisers, I don't listen to polls. ... I ONLY Listen to God and he will be my ONLY JUDGE.






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Series: On the Middle East

Arabs fear fallout of nuclear conflict

Nervous Arab states fear a war in the Gulf but a nuclear-armed Iran is an even greater concern

Isfahan Uranium Conversion Facilities in Iran

An Iranian technician works at the Isfahan Uranium Conversion Facilities (UCF), 420 kms south of Tehran. Photograph: Behrouz Mehri/AFP/Getty Images

Arab governments are deeply worried about the prospect of war between Iran and Israel and/or the US for the very good reason that several of them would be directly in the firing line if hostilities erupted. Any fallout could have devastating consequences.

Iranian retaliation against oilfields, refineries and desalination plants in the Gulf, especially in eastern Saudi Arabia, is an obvious worry. Tehran has gone on the record as threatening to close the Straits of Hormuz, the choke point for 40% of globally-traded oil, if it is attacked. Washington quickly insisted that it will not let that happen.

As the sabres rattled this week, Iran warned that it would strike at Tel Aviv and the US navy, though Revolutionary Guard Shehab missiles would find it difficult to distinguish between American and Arab targets: the US Fifth Fleet is based in Bahrain; US Central Command in nearby Qatar and the US navy has long relied on docking facilities at Jebel Ali in the United Arab Emirates.

Even without the threat of war, Iran's Arab neighbours have long lived in fear of another Chernobyl: the Bushehr nuclear reactor, two miles from the Gulf coast, is closer to six Arab capitals (Kuwait, Riyadh, Manama, Doha, Abu Dhabi and Muscat) than it is to Tehran. Any nuclear accident would be an ecological disaster.

But the recent sniping has been ominous. "We are sandwiched between Iran on the one hand and Israel and the US on the other," said Mustafa Alani of the Gulf Research Centre in Dubai. "We feel that we are going to be victims."

Abdullah Alshayji, a Kuwaiti analyst, agrees, describing the Gulf states as "feeling like helpless bystanders with little room to manoeuvre". War would be "a nightmare of epic proportions for the whole region," he said.

And Tehran is mistrusted in almost every Arab capital. None believe the insistent claim that it is interested only in civilian nuclear power and has no military ambitions. It is seen as working to establish its hegemony across the Middle East, setting the agenda through allies or "non-state" proxies such as Hizbullah and Hamas, confounding the US and Israel in Iraq, Lebanon and Palestine.

Syria, Iran's only Arab ally, is the glaring exception, maintaining a strategic relationship that dates back to the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Maverick Qatar, home to al-Jazeera as well as a huge US air base, has been careful to stay on good terms with Tehran, not least because of massive joint natural gas projects. Otherwise Arab states are united in their suspicion of the country they fervently hoped to see defeated by Saddam Hussein in his eight-year struggle against Ayatollah Khomeini. Historic Arab antipathy to Persians still runs very deep. And vice versa.

The sight of long-range Iranian missiles being launched into desert skies was a grim reminder of that war against Saddam. But Arabs already see Iran as the main beneficiary of the more recent conflict in Iraq, with the Sunnis defeated and marginalised by the Shia-dominated government in Baghdad — even if there are now signs of grudging acceptance that it is there to stay.

Public statements by Arab leaders make clear that they oppose military action by Israel or the United States. The six-member Gulf Cooperation Council has declared that it would not allow its territory to be used to attack Iran — and even hosted Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at its summit late last year.

Saudi Arabia, where some military men are said to be privately advocating a hardline stance towards Iran, has chosen the path of accommodation rather than confrontation. King Abdullah made a symbolic public declaration of this policy last year when he invited Ahmadinejad to go on the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca.

Bahrain, just a few miles across the Gulf from Iran, has anxieties over so-called Iranian "sleeper cells" amongst its restive Shias - the majority of the population in the Sunni-ruled kingdom. But it too favours engagement and diplomacy — and worries about conflict. The same is true of Kuwait, at the head of the Gulf.

Further afield, Jordan's King Abdullah, who coined the phrase "Shia crescent" to describe the alarming spread of Sunni-Shia sectarianism, warned recently that action against Iran would open a "Pandora's box". His recommendation: "Engage with the Iranians. A military strike in Iran will only solicit a reaction from Iran and Iranian proxies, and I don't think that we can live with any more conflicts in this part of the world."

Privately, things may be different: "If we have to choose between Iranian nuclear deterrence and intimidation, or accept military action as a solution, we'll accept military action," says Alani. "We in the Gulf can live with Iranian retaliation for a week or a month. That's manageable compared to the possibility that Iran will be a nuclear power."

Israel, waging an intensifying propaganda campaign over Iran - and seeking to coax Syria away from its alliance with Tehran - likes to claim that "moderate" Arab states would support an attack on Iran's nuclear installations, though passive acquiescence is not the same as active support.

"We would not be participants," Alani says of the Gulf states. "We would be beneficiaries. But no one will say this in public. We don't want premature confrontation because we still believe there is a margin for a diplomatic solution."

Still, there is no mistaking the anxiety in the region. "Perhaps the objective of Iran's frequent threats is to stir up fear amongst the Gulf states over the repercussions of any US strike against it so that they it turn may pressure Washington into preventing any military action," observed Abdul Rahman Al-Rashed in the Saudi-owned al-Sharq al-Awsat. "But this is having an opposite effect from the desired one."


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A practical guide to how to survive in a FEMA Camp... from history.

WARNING GRAPHIC: Though the clip is based on Actual Survivor Statements and is based on fact.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q15SidjjS-I


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To the right meant showers and disinfecting (gas chambers and cermetoria)


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I was reading some of the John Titor infos last night and especially the portion on that particular site which has pulled out most of his remarks regarding the Civil War he stated would occur here in the USA. It was most interesting reading indeed and then they also include beside it many headlines of what is going on taking away our rights and liberties for so called "security" and then someone sends me this particular article.

Now reading what Shady has posted and what Dondep has also posted as well as others, it is beginning to look like it is all very true indeed as to what is really going on on this planet. The below story may be a small matter, but it is the point of it that is important.

Dondep, maybe you should also send some of your infos to World Net Daily, they might actually, accidentally print something regarding it because I doubt any of the main stream news places will.







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Dems send security to halt patriotism in capitol rotunda





Posted: July 12, 2008
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School students attending a youth leadership conference have been scolded by armed security officers in the California Capitol in Sacramento for singing the "Star-Spangled Banner" and "God Bless America" in the rotunda, according to organizers of the conference.
"The patriotic expression was apparently so egregious that state troopers were called in to the rotunda to rebuke the students," a statement from The Capitol Resource Institute said today.
"This was a ghastly overreaction to some students expressing their patriotism in the seat of government," said Karen England, executive director of CRI, and director of the youth conference. "These young leaders have sacrificed a week of their summer to come learn about our government system and this is the 'welcome' they receive from the government."
Conference organizers said several armed troopers entered the rotunda, accompanied by several capitol sergeants-at-arms, and they confronted conference organizers and students for singing without a permit from the legislature's rules committee.
The 45 students from all across California were in the statehouse as part of their participation in the City on the Hill Youth Leadership Conference. At the intensive study sessions they learn the legislative and political processes.
"After spending the day meeting with lawmakers and their staff, the youth aged 14-18, engaged in a spontaneous expression of passion for their country by singing the national anthem and God Bless America," CRI reported. "Tourists walking through the capitol stopped to listen to the singing and clapped enthusiastically."
A similar expression of patriotism was exhibited by participants in the same conference just two years ago:

Officials said, however, it was a good lesson in liberty for those students, especially the two young participants whose father was held in a Communist prison in Romania and another student who is a Russian immigrant.
"These future leaders have seen first-hand how we are losing our liberties – including simply expressing our patriotism in public," said Meredith Turney, the legislative liaison for CRI Impact and a graduate of City on the Hill.
"I am deeply saddened by the treatment these young patriots received at our state capitol," she said.
In comments published on FlashReport, she elaborated: "A few years ago the students started the tradition of singing our national anthem in the rotunda at the end of the mock legislative session. While they were at the capitol today, the students wanted a practice run before their legislative session on the Assembly and Senate floors this Saturday. One student suggested singing God Bless America as well as the national anthem, and the other students enthusiastically agreed.
"Just moments after the students finished their impromptu patriotic expression, no less than four CHP officers descended upon the rotunda, along with two sergeant-at-arms. They confronted our staff and demanded to know why our students were singing in the rotunda without a permit from the rules committee. Apparently in the five minutes it took to sing the two patriotic songs, someone had called security and complained," she wrote.
"The City on the Hill students were absolutely shocked … Why would their elected officials send armed guards to stop them from expressing such love for their country? And why do citizens need a permit to sing patriotic songs in their public buildings?" she said.
The young leaders, however, were undeterred. They asked for and received a government "permit" to sing the national anthem in the capitol rotunda tomorrow at 1:15 p.m. and are inviting friends and family to join them.
"City on the Hill students are extremely grateful to Assemblyman Doug LaMalfa and his outstanding staff for obtaining the last-minute permits we need to exercise our 'freedom' in the place where freedom should be most fervently guarded," Turney said.


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I knew John Titor for six months when he posted on the old Art Bell/Coast to Coast Message board and before that IRC (internet relay chat)

The state of America today. Homeland Security, Bush, the whole blantent disregard of the constitution, the so called LIE that is the War on Terror and the police state we are now in. Its ALL EXACTLY as John Titor warned us about as the state of America before the start of the Civil War in his time line.

There is only one thing left to be fulfilled according to what John Titor told us of his timeline history. The Federal Government will start to declear Americans as "Domestic Terrorists" and round them up. When they do you'll start to see Waco type standoffs, Ruby Ridge type stand offs. The Federal Government will crack down on all Nationalists/Patriot/Truthseeker movements. At which point the rual part of the American Mid-West will expolode. Farmers will shut down wheat, corn, soybean transports to the major East Coast Citys. The Federal Government will that "Nationalize" food production. At which point the Civil War will turn HOT.

According to John's Timeline the Cold Civil War happened in stages. The first stage beginning in late 2005 and the cold Civil War lasted to 2008 when it became Hot (by hot Americans in open warfare with Americans; shooting to kill.) The Civil War then lasted to 2014 when China in a surprise attack hit the East and West Coast of the United States with a limited nuclear war. Which pretty much drove the level of existence in the USA back to early 1800s level for next decade and half. It was only in John's time 2025ad that the United States (now united again) started to rebuild.

As to what happened to China in the nuke attack. John stated repeatedly it was not a all out nuke war but very limited. The USA did not "Grand Tour" China (ie carpet bomb China with nukes). But the American response did drive China back into a level of stone age existence. The rest of the world did not suffer "fall out" other then a total and complete collaspe of economics. An because of nukes and the economics the United States was decapitated as "Superpower"


THe skeptics point out repeatedly that since nothing happened on the dates John gave us. Then he was a fraud and hoaxer.

WRONG!

John repeatedly told us. That this time line / parallel universe we;re in. DIFFERED with his and his history. John Repeatedly told us the divergence appeared to be in the range of 6-8%.

Example:

The Super Bowls in 1998-2000 were won by teams that in John's timeline never made it to play off's.

Key Congressional and Sentate Votes came out differently here then in his time line.

and numerous other inconsistences.


John told us that even if he gave us dates. They might be "Off" compared to his history and keep in mind that the events might happen sooner or later (around that time) giving us specific was impossible!


Even with that in mind. I'd say that 80% of what John Titor told us would come about HAS!.


Shady


Meanwhile the Police State Marches on!


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SHOCK BRACELET - TO BE PUT ON AIRLINE PASSENGERS?



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This device is created by
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The patent reads:

Upon activation of the electric shock device, through receipt of an activating signal from the selectively operable remote control means, the passenger wearing that particular bracelet receives the disabling electrical shock from the electric shock device. Accordingly, the passenger becomes incapacitated for a few seconds or perhaps a few minutes, during which time the passenger can be fully subdued and handcuffed, if necessary. Depending on the type of transmission medium used to send the activating signal, other passengers may also become temporarily incapacitated, which is undesirable and unfortunate, but may be unavoidable.


"This is your Captian speaking. We will have breif delay as Homeland Security conducts a quick search of plane ladies and gentlemen. This is for your safely.

They will be removing suspected "Domestic Terrorists" An attempt to escape or cause trouble we will active the EDS bracelet system. .. Thank you and enjoy your flight."












brightstar wrote:
I was reading some of the John Titor infos last night and especially the portion on that particular site which has pulled out most of his remarks regarding the Civil War he stated would occur here in the USA. It was most interesting reading indeed and then they also include beside it many headlines of what is going on taking away our rights and liberties for so called "security" and then someone sends me this particular article.

Now reading what Shady has posted and what Dondep has also posted as well as others, it is beginning to look like it is all very true indeed as to what is really going on on this planet. The below story may be a small matter, but it is the point of it that is important.

Dondep, maybe you should also send some of your infos to World Net Daily, they might actually, accidentally print something regarding it because I doubt any of the main stream news places will.







Quote:
State troopers rebuke students for singing national anthem
Dems send security to halt patriotism in capitol rotunda





Posted: July 12, 2008
12:30 am Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily
School students attending a youth leadership conference have been scolded by armed security officers in the California Capitol in Sacramento for singing the "Star-Spangled Banner" and "God Bless America" in the rotunda, according to organizers of the conference.
"The patriotic expression was apparently so egregious that state troopers were called in to the rotunda to rebuke the students," a statement from The Capitol Resource Institute said today.
"This was a ghastly overreaction to some students expressing their patriotism in the seat of government," said Karen England, executive director of CRI, and director of the youth conference. "These young leaders have sacrificed a week of their summer to come learn about our government system and this is the 'welcome' they receive from the government."
Conference organizers said several armed troopers entered the rotunda, accompanied by several capitol sergeants-at-arms, and they confronted conference organizers and students for singing without a permit from the legislature's rules committee.
The 45 students from all across California were in the statehouse as part of their participation in the City on the Hill Youth Leadership Conference. At the intensive study sessions they learn the legislative and political processes.
"After spending the day meeting with lawmakers and their staff, the youth aged 14-18, engaged in a spontaneous expression of passion for their country by singing the national anthem and God Bless America," CRI reported. "Tourists walking through the capitol stopped to listen to the singing and clapped enthusiastically."
A similar expression of patriotism was exhibited by participants in the same conference just two years ago:

Officials said, however, it was a good lesson in liberty for those students, especially the two young participants whose father was held in a Communist prison in Romania and another student who is a Russian immigrant.
"These future leaders have seen first-hand how we are losing our liberties – including simply expressing our patriotism in public," said Meredith Turney, the legislative liaison for CRI Impact and a graduate of City on the Hill.
"I am deeply saddened by the treatment these young patriots received at our state capitol," she said.
In comments published on FlashReport, she elaborated: "A few years ago the students started the tradition of singing our national anthem in the rotunda at the end of the mock legislative session. While they were at the capitol today, the students wanted a practice run before their legislative session on the Assembly and Senate floors this Saturday. One student suggested singing God Bless America as well as the national anthem, and the other students enthusiastically agreed.
"Just moments after the students finished their impromptu patriotic expression, no less than four CHP officers descended upon the rotunda, along with two sergeant-at-arms. They confronted our staff and demanded to know why our students were singing in the rotunda without a permit from the rules committee. Apparently in the five minutes it took to sing the two patriotic songs, someone had called security and complained," she wrote.
"The City on the Hill students were absolutely shocked … Why would their elected officials send armed guards to stop them from expressing such love for their country? And why do citizens need a permit to sing patriotic songs in their public buildings?" she said.
The young leaders, however, were undeterred. They asked for and received a government "permit" to sing the national anthem in the capitol rotunda tomorrow at 1:15 p.m. and are inviting friends and family to join them.
"City on the Hill students are extremely grateful to Assemblyman Doug LaMalfa and his outstanding staff for obtaining the last-minute permits we need to exercise our 'freedom' in the place where freedom should be most fervently guarded," Turney said.


"What we think or what we believe is, in the end, of little consequence. The only thing that is of consequence is what we do." - Aristotle


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BTW..

John Titor told us to keep a keen eye out on CERN in 2001-02. They would discover a "strange side effect" in their Super Collider experiments. This would lead them to push the finishing of LHC. The side effect would be the creation of "MINI BLACK HOLES" at will! Also at the same time creation of worm holes.


In 2014 (before the nuke attack) G.E General Electric would produced a "Containment" Unit for the mini black holes. While in this suspended field the mini black holes and creation of the fields surounding them would make Time Travel not only possible but safely with no other needed technology.

When John joined the Time Travel Teams in 2026 he was already told that they were sending back time travellers as early as 2021.


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I doubt anything substantive will come of the CERN "collider". Still, black-ops is tasked with ginning up excitement about it, so expect lots more smoke, but no fire.

Everyone see the huge bank failure of Indymac in Calif. yesterday? More of that to come as the excesses and corruption bring down the whole house of cards.

Thanks for the tip, brightstar, but instead of going to the tabloids, where the Coverup artists would like to keep it, I'm going to the "blogosphere", where the vast majority of clueless cubicle-workers think "opinion" is disseminated. I didn't expect the Senate to act, or the media, but I had to extend them the courtesy of informing them before the real campaign begins. At the moment their arrogance still holds sway, and many snickered I'm sure when they read the affidavits, but they won't be snickering before too long.

Speaking of which; still no reply from Kerry Cassady or Bill Ryan (a/k/a "Project Camelot"), as I suspected. No respect for common courtesy....tsk, tsk, tsk. They may soon wish they hadn't ignored that courtesy.

And for those that don't keep up with the "conspiracy headlines", I strongly urge everyone to read the following cut/paste, as it appears to be a

'Confession' by an ex-Majestic thug:

'Psychological Operations Is My Specialty'

Confessions Of A Covert Agent

This message comes from an anonymous source believed to be within the US intelligence community. Some of the statements cannot be verified for authenticity, but the general themes and references speak for themselves. I've researched everything that is possible to research and it all stands up. I have no reason to believe any of this is untrue. Read it and decide for yourself. -ed

Psychological Operations is my specialty. PsyOps.

Everything I've done has been highly classified, all black programs and black operations. Some people I know thought I worked for the CIA, but it's much more complicated than that. I've worked with people in the CIA, DIA, NSC, NSA, SAIC, Army Intel and many more lesser known agencies within the intelligence apparatus.

Before focusing on PsyOps I started out running covert combat missions, special operations. I was good at what I did and rose through the ranks fast. When the "War on Terror" started I was paid a lot of money to consult with private military contractors. When private paramilitary units needed to get the jobs done that paid the most money they would come to me with checkbooks filled with US taxpayer dough.

I've seen the worst things imaginable, hell on earth. Had friends die in my arms. Seen piles of rotten corpses. Seen men, women and children tortured. I've seen the eyes of terrified and confused children being sold into a vicious life of slavery and an early death.

I could get a lot more graphic, but you get the idea.

That was my life, and all along I was told that I was fighting for freedom and working for the "good guys." What a ridiculous comment that is! In the black world, that is, in the covert world, there aren't any "good guys" - just varying degrees of evil.

As Brigadier General Butler famously stated, "War is a racket." It doesn't have anything to do with freedom and democracy. It is not good fighting evil. There's just a bunch of old greedy gangsta motherfuckers making obscene amounts of cash and breeding hatred, violence, terrorists and sex slaves.

The truth is, there is no oversight! Meaning, you can get away with anything, nothing is illegal because no one knows about it, or the few who do are either in on it or have a vested interest in keeping quiet. Whether you're runnin' guns, weapons, drugs, gold, diamonds, women, children, it just doesn't matter. As long as the old guard gets their resources, it's all good. And in the end, it's all about power. The people who really run this planet know that natural resources (oil, water, coltan, cobalt, etc.) are the key. The "War on Terror" is just a front for a geo-strategic resource grab on a massive scale. Even the wars in Northern Africa are all about exploitation of resources. Once the good ole CIA boys at Bechtel did their NASA satellite studies of the Democratic Republic of Congo's (DRC) mineral resources and discovered that it was the "richest patch of earth on the planet," all hell broke loose! They figured out that the DRC has 80% of the world's coltan, among many other vital resources. Without coltan, you can't have any technology that requires a computer chip: computers, cell phones, satellites and weapon systems, of course. So Bechtel, the CitiBank boys, the World Bank, IMF and various covert elements have been supplying brutal regime after brutal regime in the region. Well over four million and counting have died there.

Same thing with oil in the Middle East. Do you think they really give a shit about Iraqi freedom? We worked hard to make you believe that, but c'mon, they don't give a shit about the Iraqi people. They've killed about a MILLION of them! And that's NOT an exaggeration! They sure as hell give a shit about Iraqi oil though. They also care about Saudi oil, and have a nice deal with a dictatorship that brutally oppresses their people. If freedom and democracy are the issue, how about freeing the Saudi people? Why do you think 15 of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia? We support a regime that oppresses those people. We support them because they cooperate on the oil front. So, why strike back at them? Let's hit Iraq. They don't give us any oil - let's get'em!

If you look at the history of covert special operations, it's all about securing a piece of land that has some valuable resource. Once the resource is identified, special ops figures out the most efficient way to suppress or extinguish the population that is unfortunate enough to live near it. Then the big companies come in, from the United Fruit Company to the Bechtels and Halliburtons of the world. That is the way it has been and still is, from John D. Rockefeller and Allen Dulles right through Kissinger, Bush Sr. and Cheney. Millions of innocent civilians have been slaughtered. Let me repeat that: Millions of innocent civilians have been slaughtered. And I'm not kidding you. These are evil motherfuckers and they are no friends of ours. These things don't have anything to do with protecting the US people or standing up for freedom and democracy. They don't give a shit about the average American. In this age of the global economy, the concept of nation state is obsolete. If only proud Americans could understand that. Pride in the American way is just another propaganda device for PsyOps agents - people like me - to use to manipulate you and make you think that black is white and white is black.

If you were to ask me who is a bigger threat to the people of the US, Cheney or bin Laden, or who has done more damage to the US, I would say Cheney without hesitation. Cheney, along with Bush Sr. and Kissinger, has been running the covert world for about 40 years now.

A little side note for you: I firmly believe Robert Gates, the current Secretary of Defense and Bush Sr.'s right-hand man in the covert world, used computer cryptography and software security assets to get Bush Jr. elected both times. I do not have direct knowledge of the operation, but research "Robert Gates," "Bill Owens," "electronic voting security," "HAVA," "VoteHere" and "Scientific Applications International Corp." [We will post more on this in the near future.] The operation went so well that Gates was going to be made the first ever Director of National Intelligence. He turned down the job, but then took the Secretary of Defense position when Rumsfeld was removed from his public position. I don't think there will ever be solid evidence linking directly to members of the administration; it's all a tangled web of plausible deniability. But I do think it will eventually be proven that the elections were manipulated to deliver Bush the victory. Many people in the covert world take this for granted, as common sense.

Please don't confuse this as partisan propaganda. I don't give a shit about the Democrat or Republican PsyOps mind-fuck dynamic. They're just labels to divide a potentially powerful united US public.

It's hard to get the average American to understand these things. Most everyone in this country has been mind-fucked since birth. For a very blatant example, you can look at the advertising industry and the way they have increased intensely their focus on the youth. It's all about breeding impulsive emotionally driven consumers through repetition - over and over again - buy, buy, buy. You hear something enough and you internalize the message. It becomes something like the air you breathe, like gravity. It's there, omnipresent, but you don't realize it or consciously think about it. It becomes the spring from which your thoughts leap forth.

What it all boils down to is the exposure rate. You take a simple message and you repeat it over and over, such as mentioning Saddam and 9/11. You don't have to say Saddam was involved in 9/11, because that is not true. You just have to mention Saddam and 9/11 in the same simple repetitive message thousands of times and people will support an attack on a country that didn't have anything to do with 9/11 because they've been psychologically conditioned to link the two.

It's psychological operations on a grand scale, mass psychology. The scientific art of manipulating public opinion is 100 years old now. PsyOps have evolved to the point, thanks to the all pervasive mass media, where we can make you believe, or at least passively accept, whatever we want you to. I secretly worked with the world's most powerful media companies to get you to believe what "they" want you to believe. The media is the most efficient weapon of tyranny and oppression ever created. No need to physically control populations anymore when you can do it mentally - program it in, internalize the rules.

To give a little more background on publicly revealed psychological operations, in 1977, after the Congressional Church Committee investigated CIA manipulation of the news media, and right after George Bush Sr. left his post as the Director of the CIA, famed Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein searched a little deeper into what was known as Operation Mockingbird. He revealed that over 400 US journalists were actually carrying out clandestine CIA PsyOps services. Bernstein identified operations involving almost every major US news outlet, most notably The New York Times, CBS and Time magazine. The CIA responded to all of this with a "limited hangout." A "limited hangout" is CIA speak for when classified information gets out and you have to make it seem as if you are "coming clean" with all the information on the operation, but in reality you are really just admitting part of the operation so you can cover up other deeper parts and continue the program. This worked very effectively for them, as the US public quickly moved on and this operation has largely been forgotten. Currently, I would estimate, with cable news and the Internet now, that there are well over a thousand covert operatives spread throughout the news media. They have a firm grip on television, newspapers, wire services, radio and magazines. However, with the Internet - that's their weak spot - it's too decentralized and difficult to control.

The Pentagon's Information Operations Roadmap now describes the Internet as an enemy "weapons system." The Pentagon doesn't hide the fact that they want total control over information, or as they call it "information dominance." They very plainly state that they seek to "control land, sea, space and information." This is what they refer to as "full spectrum dominance." If you don't think they see this as a top priority, look at Iraq. The plan to "embed" journalists with the military in Iraq was a strategic operation that considered "journalism as part of psychological operations." The journalists that weren't "embedded" were considered "enemy combatants." More journalists have been killed in Iraq than in any other war, and it is the US doing a large portion of the killing.

Before I go too far here, the point I want to make to the US public, the bottom line is that the most power crazed and greed addicted people are above the law and get away with everything. In the covert world rules do not apply. Democracy is a fairy tale. Nothing is what it seems, reality isn't real. Through the looking glass Alice goes.

I've fought against it and got nowhere. I've informed people that I naively thought could do something, but nothing could be done. I took all the blood money I've made and donated it to humanitarian causes. Will it make a difference? No. Not in the grand scheme of things, but in the short run it may save a few people maybe. And that's all I can hope for at this point.

I've become so cynical! I live with guilt and cynicism weighing on my every move, my every thought.

When you've seen the things I have seen, been involved with the things I've been involved with, when you've spent the majority of your life living like I have, what do you do when you decide to give it up and get out? Can you ever get out?

I was able to get out, thus far, when no one I knew thought I could get out. But once you lived in the covert world, "normal" civilian life feels like a prison sentence. Then again, the covert world was a prison sentence.

I've been strongly advised to keep a very low profile and forget about things for a while. But I find it hard to just fade into the night when we are reaching an event horizon, a breaking point. Despite my cynicism, there is a part of me that knows I have to keep fighting. The stakes are just too high, higher then they've ever been. The human species is in serious trouble, facing a set of crises unlike anything we've ever faced before. Unless these covert forces are exposed, and ultimately eliminated, I don't see how we can even begin to make the bold actions that we need to start making now - and I mean right fucking now! These covert forces are a root cause and driver, a cancer spreading through the system and planet.

As far as I can tell, you can't change the system from within the intelligence community itself. This includes the Senate Intel Committee. If the urgently needed changes are ever to happen, it has to come from the US public. Now I know first hand how the American public has been conditioned to be apathetic and not get involved in politics and has been fed a steady diet of misinformation. But propaganda only works to the point where the population being propagandized is not feeling the direct impact and negative consequences on a personal level in their daily lives. That's why the draft played a large role in bringing an end to Vietnam. We need another draft to push the mainstream over the edge and into action, but the façade is beginning to crack - 9/11 had some effect, the war in Iraq certainly, Katrina, massive job loses and an economic downturn that has really just begun have all factored into creating a critical mass. Even the most propagandized population in the history of civilization will have to act when their very survival and well-being is directly threatened and impacted. I just hope enough people will understand the need for bold decisive action now, before it's too late.

So, to the people who have awareness of the problems facing us, if I could give advice, it would be this:

1. Try the Bush Administration for war crimes. If the case could ever be brought to court, the evidence to convict is definitely there. This is why the administration has been strongly against the International Criminal Court. If we are to begin repairing this country, and the world, we must begin by showing these power crazed and covert forces that they are accountable. If we can convict someone like Cheney, we will send a powerful message to the covert world. If we let them walk, we will keep having these problems. New people will follow them and take their place.

2. Investigate where all the military spending has been vanishing off to. There are literally trillions of taxpayer dollars unaccounted for. This money is fueling the covert world and terrorism in general. As part of this, I would include an investigation into war profiteering as well.

3. Make it mandatory that all electronic voting machines must have a 100% verifiable paper trail.

4. Get people into the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) who will smash the current media ownership rules. The concentration of media ownership is the foundation of the covert power structure. Without that, the whole thing is a house of cards. That's why the FCC is currently trying to ram through rules that will further consolidate media ownership before the Bush
administration leaves office. As part of this, it is pivotal that we protect the open architecture of the Internet. The media belongs to the people, as does the government, in theory anyway, but we need an information system that actually serves the public interest.

5. Declare a national and global emergency on the environmental front. We have already reached the breaking point. We need organized, governmental, policy driven, bold action now.

6. We need to address entities that now have power over the Constitution, such as the undemocratic and unelected corporate global governing structure - institutions like the World Trade Organization (WTO) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and "agreements" like NAFTA and DR-CAFTA, to name a few. Most Americans don't even know what these power structures are, let alone that they have power that supersedes the Constitution. We must also address the National Security Act, that's where the ultimate power of our country lies. The National Security Act has effectively made the Constitution meaningless and is the primary driver of the covert world. The PATRIOT Act and various other newly granted powers must also be drastically revised or eliminated completely in order to protect our civil liberties.

7. Lastly, we need to have publicly financed elections. As long as we have a system that requires candidates to raise tens of millions of dollars to even be considered for office, we will have politicians who bend over backwards for the richest one percent and the most powerful elements of society at the citizens' expense. An important aspect of this has to be a requirement for large media companies to provide candidates with free airtime. Candidates have to spend the majority of their money on advertising in the mainstream media. That's why the major news media spend so much time focusing on who is raising the most money, because they are the ones who end up with all that money. Once we have publicly financed elections and free airtime for candidates, we will get people in office who will work in the interests of the public because they are not beholden to the large and powerful entities. When you have politicians depending on the public instead of the private sector for survival, all the issues mentioned above could be addressed because they won't have to fear the withdrawal of support from large corporations and the wealthy and powerful who do not want these things to happen. This will also enable us to eliminate tax breaks for the richest one percent, put an end to corporate welfare practices, and stop funding for obscene military and prison industrial companies that are profiting off of disasters and no longer serve security interests. Then we can redirect that money into environmental, education, health care and social security programs, to mention a few.

In the current political environment this may all sound like an unrealistic pipe dream, but these are the seven pivotal things that MUST happen. If all seven don't happen within the next few years, we will have set the world on a disastrously irreversible course. This is "the unfortunate reality of our current situation." It is not going to be easy, but you better start fighting for it now, while we still can.

It really does come down to us. You have to personally, in your daily life, do everything you can. With enough public pressure all of these things are achievable. Once we get a small portion of the population acting in this direction, it will quickly catch on and spread. Even though the overwhelming majority of the US population is incredibly propagandized on the surface, just underneath is the realization of the need for mass action. They just need leaders to point this out. The mainstream just needs a spark. Do what you can to set it off. It is a matter of unprecedented significance.

** This article is excerpted from the upcoming edition of the book The Art of Mental Warfare.


http://rense.com/general82/psy.htm

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'Confession' by an ex-Majestic thug:

'Psychological Operations Is My Specialty'

Confessions Of A Covert Agent





Just once Mongrel, Owl, Brent, any others. I'd like to see you have the true American balls to speak the truth like this your fellow psy - op agent.

Just once stand up like a man tell us the truth of your bosses are capable of.

Burisch had the balls for a time back in the 2002 interviews with Bill Hamilton. He tore into Majestic and the Elite lilke a man. Before he reverted to a caged bird.

Come on Owl, Mongrel, Brent show us that your FREE men instead of yes men on a leash, speak the truth for change!

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The Critical mass is fast approaching guys. The truthmovement is starting to spread global.. An soon very soon you will be on the wrong side. You will be ordered by your bosses to fire upon your fellow Americans... You will have to make a choice which will last an eternity....


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To the big Professional Eagles Team Dummies.

The MC (Robert Collins) Post WAS NOT Directed to your mail box. It was a MASS posting on Victor's Email list. Which both Burisch's old email address and McDowell's are still on.

Gee Marcus you can't tell the difference between a email list MASS mailing and personal email? LOL Don't they teach that in remedial Majestic Twelve Operative Class?? lol

So ummm Marcus/Felix is the official archivist for burisch's old email? ;)


Maybe Felix might have to read an archive a few choose words coming his way ;)



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