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Welcome to the continuation of the Golden Thread, Volume 2008 4.2
All are welcome so long as the Golden Rule is observed among the participants.

This is the search for the 'truth' and Disclosure, that all men (and women, and children) that so desire learn the full and examined truth of the 'extraterrestrial reality' as it is known now and will be known in the future.

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Recognizing disinformation in the media
Twenty-six ways to slander and intimidate conspiracy advocates

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"If we had met five years ago, you wouldn't have found a more staunch defender of the newspaper industry than me. And then I wrote some stories that made me realize how sadly misplaced my bliss has been. The reason I'd enjoyed such smooth sailing for so long hadn't been, as I'd assumed, because I was careful and diligent and good at my job... The truth was that, in all those years, I hadn't written anything important enough to suppress."
- 2002, Gary Webb, 'Into the Buzzsaw', as repeated by his fellow investigative journalist Nick Schou in the book 'Kill the Messenger' (p. 12). Webb's career was ruined after he published a series of articles tying the CIA to drug trafficking. He never recovered from the affair and ultimately killed himself.

"In the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility... In the primitive simplicity of [the mind of the masses] they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. "
- 1926, Adolf Hitler, 'Mein Kampf', p. 472

About a year ago something began to dawn on me, and that is the fact that many people don't recognize media bias or disinformation very well. You'd be surprised at how many people can read an article about any given conspiracy topic and not recognize it when facts are being selectively presented, or when the conspiracy point-of-view is discouraged with jokes, personal attacks or unrealistic counter-arguments. This needs to change.

Below you will find 26 tactics that can, and have, been used by the media against people advocating conspiracies. I've been gathering them over the course of a year by paying attention to newspaper, magazine and tv reports about controversial issues.

The purpose of this article is two-fold :

1. It will allow anyone to better recognize media bias and media disinformation;
2. It provides people with a checklist they can use to prepare themselves in case they are invited for an interview and suspect to be ridiculed.

As for the second argument, think of the ever increasing amount of bloggers, conspiracy-website owners (this author has been contacted, for example) and political activists. Other examples are upcoming investigative authors, potential whistleblowers and basically anyone prominent who thinks about speaking out in support of a certain conspiracy.

* List of tactics including additional explanations
* List of tactics only

Tactics used

1.
Subtly or not so subtly intimidate anyone who might be open to the possibility of a conspiracy by questioning the mental state of conspiracy advocates and pretending they are outcasts of society whose opinions nobody cares about.

Additional explanation: Insinuate that anyone interested in unfavorable subjects, which can even be as innocent as looking into the role of Bilderberg or the Trilateral Commission in the globalization process, is a complete nutter who needs his head examined. A subtler approach might be to pretend how we all get so tired of these people, for example by saying or writing, "Yes, I hear you thinking, here you have them again. But let's find out, what is it exactly that they want to convince us of this time?"


2.
Put the word "theory" behind the word "conspiracy", no matter how great the evidence, and preferably do this several times in the article to make the (supposedly) theoretical nature of the conspiracy really sink in.
Additional explanation: It's not unusual for a conspiracy advocate to use the word "conspiracy theorist" on himself, because somehow he has to set his ideas apart from the "coincidence theorist" or "human failure theorists". Followers of different ideas about history or science are often referred to as "theorists", and in those cases it has nothing to do with ridicule. However, misplaced or overuse of the term "conspiracy theory" will automatically prevent people from (openly) accepting this point of view because of the strong negative connotations attached to this term.


3.
Imply that conspiracy theories are literally made up out of thin air and that there never was any significant evidence to support any of them.
Additional explanation: Be as condescending as possible by taking on a parental role. Fill your news reports with words like "paranoid", "urban legend", "folklore", "myth", "fantasy", "imagination", "legend", "gullible", "hype", "hoax"., etc. Works better the more diplomas and authority you have.


4.
Present different pieces of the same conspiracy as independently made up and conflicting conspiracy theories.
Additional explanation: This will result in people thinking that conspiracy theorists are in some kind of turf war, trying to protect their own little pet theories. The John F. Kennedy assassination is a great example. The overall theory most researchers agree on is that the CIA, largely through the mafia and anti-Castro militants, and with support of some important businessmen, was behind the assassination. However, skeptics have usually broken this overall theory in four separate pieces: theory 1: the CIA did it; theory 2: the mafia did it; theory 3: anti-Castro militants did it; or theory 4: big business did it. This is a ridiculous approach of course. Here's another example from Belgium which relates to the Dutroux affair: February 2, 2005, Nieuwsblad, 'Ze zijn vermoord maar door wie?' ('They have been murdered, but by whom?'):

"Father Dellaert was grilled. Her [Carine's] mother, of whom he had divorced, threw some additional oil on the fire by claiming that he [the father] had an incestuous relationship with his daughter. Additionally the man had already been convicted once for sexual affairs. But he kept denying. Still, three months later he was in jail. But because of a lack of evidence justice had to let him go. Regina Louf, also known as X1, made up another story: she would have met Carine during sex parties."

Here you have another world class piece of disinformation on which details can be read in PEHI's 'Beyond the Dutroux affair' article. What's important here is: A) the tone of the sentence that is underlined ("made up"), and B) the fact that X1's story is not at all incompatible with the claims of Carine Dellaert's mother. The father had been doing the abuse when the mother was away--which was most of the time--and also allowed his daughter to be abused by his circle of friends. This information came from Carine's former closest friend, who was ignored by newspapers and investigators. They also ignored all evidence showing that X1 had known Carine. In other words, this newspaper presented two witnesses with apparently conflicting testimonies, while in reality they described two aspects of the same crime.


5.
Carefully select the evidence that is to be presented. Leave out anything that cannot be explained. Focus on evidence that is easy to discredit, or at the very least, inconclusive.
Additional explanation: This is one of the most common and fundamental tactics used. The fact that the majority of the conspiracy community might reject a certain theory, or is aware of much stronger evidence, doesn't matter to the media, because the general public is unaware of that and has no time or interest to check the facts for themselves. This tactic might backfire during live interviews, unless a conspiracy theorist is picked who supports the theory that will be used to discredit the entire community.

A great example of bogus claims continually being repeated and "discredited" by the media are the no-plane and pod theories of 9/11. Anyone who really does his homework knows there are many other aspects of 9/11 that are much more interesting--not to mention, true. Other examples might be reports that tie criticism on today's Zionist Lobby to holocaust denial, or people who believe in UFOs to fake Moon landings.

If you're attacking an individual, and not a whole group, dig up every mistake in his work, however small, and discuss these flaws one after another. It will seem to most people the author's work is riddled with mistakes, while in reality 98 or 99 percent might be perfectly accurate, including the overall picture.


6.
As a talk-show host, don't let any person arguing in favor of a conspiracy speak uninterrupted for even one minute.
Additional explanation: As soon as the person interviewed tries to bring up a serious piece of evidence, immediately counter with a joke, a seemingly damning counter-argument (there's no time to further discuss anyway) or simply change the subject. Keep the interview nice and short so there's no time to go into any kind of detail.


7.
For interviews, preferably pick prominent individuals from the conspiracy movement who either have no credentials or irrelevant credentials. Place these conspiracy theorists against academics and other experts who have impeccable credentials.
Additional explanation: When doing basic research, in many cases a lower-educated person with some experience can do just as good of a job as someone who has his M.A. or Ph.D. However, highly-educated, respected individuals interviewed by the media are usually trusted on their word while it's necessary for anyone else to step by step go over all the evidence. There's seldom any time for the latter approach so the lower-educated conspiracy advocate finds himself in a severely disadvantaged position.


8.
During video interviews, allow the skeptics to present themselves more properly than the conspiracy advocates.
Additional explanation: Interview conspiracy theorists on video from angles that make them look a bit awkward, like really up close to show off that wart, or a little bit from below so we can all enjoy those nose hairs. Also, limit their make up, don't ask them to shave, and if possible, interview them in plain, simple clothes. Do the interview in an environment which further diminishes credibility, like a messy living room or next to a replica of a grey alien in a UFO museum. In contrast, interview the skeptical "experts" from their most affectionate angle with suit and tie in a nice and comfortable place. Make sure their make up is perfect.


9.
Quote from generally respected government investigating committees and present their conclusions as gospel.
Additional explanation: If anyone asks or says that these government committees are misrepresenting the evidence, instead of listening to the arguments the reaction will be along the lines of, "So everybody is in on it?", if needed followed by "Impeccable expert A, B and C disagree with you." After that the topic is steered away in a different direction. As stated in point seven: "Highly-educated, respected individuals [or institutes] interviewed by the media are usually trusted on their word while it's necessary for anyone else to step by step go over all the evidence. There's seldom any time for the latter approach so the [in this case high or low-educated] conspiracy advocate finds himself in a severely disadvantaged position."


10.
Automatically dismiss articles from conspiracy advocates as "unreliable", no matter how well-sourced these articles are.

Additional explanation: Don't go into the specific issues raised in the article. If the promoter of the article asks you to look at these issues, just ignore him and keep coming back to the fact the author of the article is "not reliable".


11.
Always question the motives of conspiracy theorists.

Additional explanation: Any conspiracy writer who has any kind of income from his writings can be accused of being in it for the money. Another popular accusation is that conspiracy theorists are anti-semites and have the same beliefs as fundamentalist Arabs. The latter tactic has been especially popular after 9/11 (for example, the false claim that thousands of Jews were aware of the WTC attack) and the London bombings (there was a report that one of the bombers was a 9/11 skeptic).


12.
Make the well known claim that everybody is in on the conspiracy.
Additional explanation: This can be formulated as a question or as a sarcastic comment, in both cases serving to ridicule and discredit the unprepared interviewee.


13.
Make a few jokes, usually involving little green men, Elvis, the grassy knoll, and aliens. Then there also is the classic "out to get you" comment.

Additional explanation: Jokes like these only serve to make conspiracy advocates uncomfortable by ridiculing them and to intimidate anyone from looking into possible conspiracies. Reading some of the articles of skeptics, these days it apparently also seems possible to suggest that the average conspiracy theorist really believes claims that Elvis was abducted by aliens. It should be quite obvious that in reality this belief is (virtually?) non-existent. December 18, 2000, BBC, 'Conspiracy Theories': "This [the National Enquirer] is the natural reading matter for those who sincerely believe that Elvis was abducted by aliens, this being more comforting than the traditional explanation that he simply took too many drugs."


14.
Ask if the conspiracy advocate believes in any other (unrelated) conspiracies.

Additional explanation: For example, when you interview someone who is skeptical about the official 9/11 story, ask him about UFOs; or vice versa. Even if the person only states he's open to the other conspiracy, it can be used to discredit him in the eyes of many people; even more so in follow-up reports. Example: "Person X is convinced that 9/11 was an inside job. He also recently stated he believes in flying saucers."


15.
Make the claim that governments can't keep secrets.

Additional explanation: In a way governments and intelligence agencies do have a hard time keeping secrets, especially in the West. There are a few "buts", however. First of all, a huge amount of coverage over an extended period is needed for a large enough portion of the public to change their beliefs or even take action. One or two one-time reports, even in a large newspaper, are not going to change anything, certainly not in the long term. People will forget or doubt themselves if the message is not continually repeated and eventually taught at home by their parents or at school.

Secondly, counter measures to prevent exposure are usually in proportion to the sensitivity of the secret. Just by looking at the amount of investigators, witnesses and whistleblowers who have been intimidated or suicided over the years, it appears that the most sensitive secrets are highest-level involvement in the international drug trade, arms trade, assassinations, pedophile networks and terrorism, or, on a hardly lighter note, "legal" deep black programs involving extremely high technology. Without the internet we would still be absolutely clueless as to what is going on at this level. At least we now have a vague idea, even though there's still much that needs to be uncovered. None of these topics are discussed in the mainstream press or tv.

And third, in addition to intimidation and assassination, psychological warfare and disinformation have been used to prevent the public from finding out about the deepest secrets and to discourage anyone from looking into them in the first place. Ridicule is a powerful weapon.


16.
Repeat the claim that we have free press because scandals are regularly exposed.


Additional explanation: Virtually everything can be discussed in the media except a handful of topics that are really important. If one allies himself with the Left it's possible, of course, to expose the Right to some extent, and vice verse, but it's virtually impossible to publish a serious article about the 9/11 Truth movement, government assassinations and terrorism, CIA drug imports, high level pedophile rings, or other extremely sensitive stuff which will change people's whole concept of government. This kind of stuff is just not done. And if you are uniquely in the possession of evidence that relates to some of the examples above, you run a good risk of becoming a victim of harassment, intimidation, financial ruining, and you could well end up dead.


17.
As soon as a conspiracy theorist brings up witness testimony, counter with the standard argument that eyewitness testimony is "notoriously unreliable".
Additional explanation: A former fundamentalist Christian turned professional debunker, Michael Shermer, took this argument to the limit during a July 2007 debate about UFOs on the Larry King Show. Even after others present told him that numerous military officers and pilots have claimed to have seen UFOs, and that the Phoenix Lights incident involved thousands of witnesses who all saw the same thing, Shermer just countered with: "... Eyewitness testimony is not all that reliable... Trained observers are no better than just regular observers."


18.
When aspects of the permanent government have slowly been exposed over the years, oversimplify by stating this or that conspiracy theory "has had its best time".
Additional explanation: There are many reasonable questions that could be asked, like why the mainstream media has not been the one responsible for shedding light on the "conspiracy" they just mentioned, or why they don't expand on the information now the word has come out, or if there are similar conspiracies going on. Of course, some conspiracies are never mentioned, so this argument doesn't apply to them. The exposure we're talking about here mainly deals with Bilderberg and the Bohemian Grove, or more recently, the 1001 Club and Le Cercle.


19.
Start out with, or only report, conclusions, and leave out most, if not all, evidence that this conclusion has been based on. Also leave out all nuances brought up by the person that has been interviewed.
Additional explanation: Generally only works with pre-recorded interviews or a review of a person's work. As the conclusions that must be drawn from conspiracies or conspiracy theories are usually quite disturbing, especially to someone never exposed to this point of view, this tactic is one of the most effective in discrediting even men and women with impeccable credentials. Here's an example, a paraphrase from a recent Dutch article on Daniel Estulin's Bilderberg book (lost the article, which, by the way, was the inspiration for this article): "Estulin warns us that there's a plan for global dictatorship in which a great portion of the world's population will be exterminated. Those who survive will be implanted with a microchip in their brain." I can't tell if it's a good or a bad book, because I've not read it, but the intention of the newspaper is clear. Some day another example might be: "PEHI is claiming that leading officials in government (including prime ministers), business, the judiciary and intelligence are involved in illegal arms trafficking, drug running, pedophilia and terrorist attacks on their own population." What casual reader is going to believe that? It must be said though that PEHI has a significant advantage over book writers, because this site is freely accessible to everyone, so it's basically very easy for people to take a peek and check some of the facts reported in the newspapers.


20.
Oversimplify by stating that the official head of state must have been directly involved in planning and overseeing the conspiracy. Don't allow the subject to explain the transnational, largely privatized, permanent government in any coherent way.
Additional explanation: The permanent government, consisting of many different elements in business, politics, the judiciary, intelligence, the military, private clubs, and think tanks, seems to be the backbone of every conspiracy. Its existence is always ignored or denied, which probably has a lot to do with the major media networks belonging to this same government.


21.
Claim that the internet is responsible for the recent increase in conspiracy theories, because frothing conspiracy theorists are hyping each other up in chat rooms and message boards.
Additional explanation: It's true, of course, that the internet is responsible for the huge increase in awareness of conspiracies, the simple reason being that alternative theories are just as accessible on the net as the lies pushed by the government and mainstream media. However, anyone with a (conspiracy) site can tell you that links posted on forums will not get you many hits, as there always are a few individuals who drive everyone away by posting lengthy, irrational, and often abusive statements 24 hours a day. Skeptics will claim otherwise, but in reality few want to be associated with some of these forum people, including the average conspiracy-oriented person. Chat rooms are often private and generate even less hits. Most people use the internet to find and order books, read (alternative) news sites and use Google and Wikipedia to find additional information. That's it.


22.
Have a conspiracy theorist argue with a victim of a conspiracy who actually doesn't believe in the conspiracy. Even better, the victim is disabled and dying.
Additional explanation: Apparently a relatively new tactic, which was used by FOX News' Planet Mancow in November 2006 when they confronted Kevin Smith, producer of Infowars and Prisonplanet, with the disabled and dying 9/11 firefighter Brian Harvey. During the planning and recording of the show Planet Mancow used numerous other disinformation tactics, all of which have been described here


23.
When covering demonstrations, mainly focus on the eccentric and the violent. Ignore all the presentable, calm and intelligent demonstrators.

Additional explanation: It must be said that in anti-globalist (mainly US conservatives) or different-globalist (mainly liberals, including in Europe) demonstrations there's usually no shortage of eccentric individuals the media can pick from. On the other hand, there also are many knowledgeable individuals in government and business who have no interest in going to the streets with a bullhorn and a banner, but can very articulately explain what the present globalization process is all about and what is wrong with it. However, these are the people the media likes to ignore.

Additional note: There's also some evidence that small, extreme left wing groups are used to disrupt peaceful demonstrations, followed by a heavy crackdown on all demonstrators (the 1999 WTO negotiations in Seattle for example). This, of course, gives the media yet another opportunity to further stereotype the anti-globalist and different-globalist crowds as uneducated, left-wing nutjobs.


24.
Don't write about the topics conspiracy theorists bring up. Instead, write about conspiracy theorists.

Additional explanation: A great example is when this author was approached by a journalist of a major Dutch newspaper in mid 2007. The whole email read, "Can I call you some time about your PEHI website? Maybe I want to devote an article to it in Het Parool." The thing that immediately popped in my mind was, "Why write about my site? Do your own investigative article on Le Cercle, the 1001 (perfect for a Dutch investigator), the Pilgrims, or whatever. You don't need to know anything from or about me. The less you say about me the more credible you are." So I declined. And seeing the article some weeks later I certainly knew I had done the right thing. It was yet another superficial article about conspiracy theorists (evangelists; reincarnation therapists) and there was no investigative journalism to verify some of the more serious aspects of the conspiracy community. There was, of course, space reserved for talk about the 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati and Icke's lizards. What a surprise.


25.
See if you can link credible writers to not-so-credible writers.

Additional explanation: Basically anything will do: a friendship, a compliment of one about the other, a reference in one of your works, etc. In the same Parool article mentioned in point 24, it was written that, "It is clear that Van der Reijden has let himself be inspired by David Icke... [lizards, blah, blah]" This is a really dubious statement, but the writer of the article can get away with it because at the bottom of my article it is mentioned that the first time I heard about Le Cercle was on a DVD of David Icke. Now, this cheap exploit can't really bother me, because the minute I put that minor acknowledgement there, even if it was with a good number of reservations about basically all of Icke's theories, I knew "skeptics" would sooner or later jump on it. And that's fine; anybody can visit my site and compare it to any newspaper articles written about me.

Now, I know I'm not a particularly credible writer, but you get the point.


26.
See if you can dig up some dirt on a prominent conspiracy advocate.

Additional explanation: When it comes to politics, basically anything can be used against you: a criminal past, a few misdemeanors, dubious friends, having visited porn websites, cheated on your wife, a bitter ex-girlfriend, a son or daughter using drugs, etc. Personal attacks are the most often used against politicians because of their prominence, but they can also be used against conspiracy theorists.




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There has been some buzz behind he scenes about people wanting to re-post my posts but need permission?

I want you to know. Feel Absolutely Free to re-post my posts to anywhere and anyone you wish. If you find the information within valuable and informative and important. By all means re-post into your own research. If you wish.

I post for very much that reason to get this info out into the public, to get people thinking and awake.


As I wrote in a email correspondence.

People may not right now see rhyme or reason or even direction to my postings but in time, after they’ve seen enough., there will come a point when all the pieces will fall into place, sort of speak. An the moment of realization will hit like ton of bricks. “Oh my Gawd! I see it now!”

Its liken to a photograph in newsprint. If you put the page to close to your face. All your going to see are individual dots with no perceived connection to the “whole” picture. But move that page back and it all falls into place.

All I’m doing ladies and gentlemen is painting the individual dots for you. The Entire Picture is far to Grand to explain in just one post or two. Thus I simply paint the dots day after day knowing full well when I’ve painted enough of them. The blinders from your eyes will fall.


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tommy77 wrote:
my response to this is that iv'e made circles in the past and found the day after exploded nodes, elongated nodes, dead flies sticking to the heads of the crops, witnessing paranormal lightphenomena. i believe all this is the result of changing the magnetic field of the crop itself by ways of stomping or rolling it down in specific patterns. the problem with the BLT research is that they exclude the people who make circles cause in fact they may be the heroes and could learn BLT how to really investigate this phenomena properly by simply starting out from that this is made by humans. i don't think it's logic to look for anomalies as if they were created by some sort of energy, they are just been stomped down and that's where the research should pay more attention to. We never will 'solve' this as long as we don't recognise what a manmade circle is and what it's characteristics are.

nodstar wrote:
Hi Tommy, Jan, and Twowhom... :)

Welcome to the forum Tommy !!!! :D

I'm so glad this thread has been unlocked ... 8-)

Tommy, I have been collecting evidence of both man made and non man made crop
circles for many years, and your arrival and good questions gives me the excuse to
finally put together my take on the subject .

Due to eternal attacks on our computer ( 6 reformats this year ) the info I have collected
including images of man made and non man made circles is in a pile of back up discs
at the moment ...

Only Gan ( my partner ) understands the hieroglyphics on the named discs ..LOL

When I can get some time with him ( he's busy with things musical and rehearsing day and night at the mo ) I'll upload images and evidence which to my mind leaves the jury
open ended about the whole deal ..

As I wrote to Twowhom recently I often wonder if the crop circles aren't part of an
intergalactic graffiti contest .. LOL ;D

Looking forward to discussing this

tommy77 wrote:
Thx for welcoming me here! :)
I look forward to discuss your evidence on 'non-manmade
crop circles. Nothing intergalactic about them really. Normal down to earth humans ;)


Uncle John here: I'm presuming that tommy77 is another of d&m's thugs or sock puppets.

Why does sneds want to keep stirring up controversy and making themselves look like fools?

Kind of reminds me of Red Skelton. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeUNIp4vH7I

shady wrote:
All I’m doing ladies and gentlemen is painting the individual dots for you. The Entire Picture is far to Grand to explain in just one post or two. Thus I simply paint the dots day after day knowing full well when I’ve painted enough of them. The blinders from your eyes will fall.


UJ: Thank you both for all those dots. The more d&m&thugs lies about reality, the more shady will tell us the truth about reality. For that I'm grateful. Perhaps that is the whole point of d&m&thugs. They just got to keep stirring up those posters to keep those revelations on the golden thread happening.


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One of my hero's as Student Activist in the 1980s and General Hero from which I draw my strength and courage to Resist.

"How can we expect righteousness to prevail when there is hardly anyone willing to give himself up individually to a righteous cause. Such a fine, sunny day, and I have to go. But what does my death matter, if through us thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action?" The Last Recorded Words of Sophie Scholl


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Sophie Scholl
Birth: May 9, 1921
Death: Feb. 22, 1943

Sophie Scholl was one of the leaders of the "White Rose," an anti-Nazi resistance movement among German students in Munich. Along with her brother Hans and friends Christoph Probst and Alexander Schmorell (q.v.), Scholl wrote and distributed leaflets condemning the Nazi regime and calling for sabotage against the war effort. Caught distributing the leaflets in public, the Scholls were interrogated by the Gestapo and tried by the notorious Nazi People's Court. Found guilty, they were executed on Feb. 22, 1943, in Munich's Stadelheim Prison.

Cause of death: Execution by beheading


Die weisse Rose (The White Rose) Movie depicting Sophie Scholl and The White Rose Society and the last mintues of Sophie's Life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgS0fe6zUxQ

1,344 German Citizens Were Beheaded By the Nazi's Their only crime listening to the dictates of Consciousness and Resisting the The Third Reich Nazi Germany


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It's long yeah but I think it is worth reading it.

Source: http://www.projectcamelot.org/livermore ... ist_5.html

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Futuretalk III: Henry Deacon
15 July 2008
Michael St Clair, Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan in Frankfurt, Germany
Henry Deacon via Skype

Start of Skype conversation

Michael St Clair: How are you doing today?

Henry Deacon: Well, I’m doing OK at the moment. This kind of happened by surprise. I didn’t expect this. I just happened to still be awake and everything happened all of a sudden just. So, anyway. Go ahead.

Kerry Cassidy: We’d like to know your thoughts on, actually, where you think the situation is going, and how fast, in the world.

Henry: Well, nobody knows for sure because things change constantly, as we all know. We only have probabilities to work with.

Switzerland... intuitively is all I can go by - well, not all I can go by - sounds like it might work if you have people who are very familiar with the country, which it sounds like you are. So I would say it would be a good choice as far as population density and the distance from... wherever you think the population density is not too great.

And of course you have lots of mountains, right? So we could talk about that. I’m sure you’ve already thought about all those things.

My only other choice on the planet, really, was someplace that I could point to on a map of South America. But that’s way off course from what you’re focused on. So I don’t think I should go that direction. Go ahead.

Kerry: Well, would you like to volunteer some information? I mean, I know that you’ve been working on screening some of your computer equipment lately. Do you want to tell them why?

Henry: You mean screening it as far as EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse), or screening it because of the new news that you read from the Christian Science Monitor article? Both things are important.

Kerry: What was that article about? I’m sorry, we’ve been in this meeting so we didn’t have a chance to see...

Henry: As far as your main topic goes, it just seems like as soon as something comes to my mind, within 24 to 48 hours for the last two weeks, it pops up in the news. It’s been happening a lot. I don’t... it’s.... which means there’s something very strong happening, something very potent on an invisible level, that’s happening.

Bill: It means you’re picking up a loud signal. Right?

Henry: Very, very strong signals on almost every subject.

Kerry: Well, could you elaborate as to what kind of - what information - you’re getting, a little bit?

Henry: I don’t claim to be a psychic, by the way. It’s just happening. So... [laughs] That’s not my expertise, but it seems to be happening anyway.

Well, where do I start? It’s the financial thing that seems to be happening. I can’t even keep a list. I haven’t even been making a list. I was going to prepare something for later, but I didn’t even have a chance to do that yet.

Kerry: We wanted to get your advice just in terms of... Certainly Bill and I know what you’ve been telling us for, actually, two years now. But Michael would like to hear, probably, some things first hand about the environment that you’re getting impulses about.

So could you tell him the current situation, from your point of view? How soon, how quickly they need to act to make this a reality?

Henry: Well my experience is that I tend to... when I’ve said in the past that something’s going to happen in a year, it usually doesn’t happen for a few years - up to 10 years, from past experience. [laughs]

So, I’m saying six months, but whats that? That’s just pulling it out of a hat right now. Probably longer than six months. It depends on where you are. And what kind of financial resources, or assets, what form your financial resources are in. Because there’s a lot of instability, of course, in some of the banking systems. Those are kind of unknowns.

Of course, your health is your most important asset...

I’d like to say that the peak oil thing is not manufactured. It is real as far as I know simply because in 1970... the late 70s... I went to a Q-cleared meeting at the Department of Energy. You may or may not know what Q-clearance means. And we had laid out all on the table the projected date, with graphs and charts, for peak oil as having been right 30 years from then. So, what’s ‘78 plus 30? So, that’s now. And that was on scientific data. That was not political or anything else, you know. That was just fact, from everything that we knew.

Bill Ryan: Just a question for you on that. Because, you know, you hear these people, like Lindsey Williams and others... Do you know who Lindsey Williams is, for example?

Henry: No. But I can imagine it’s probably someone who says it’s not so.

Bill: Well, Lindsey Williams ... he’s a Baptist minister, right? He’s not the type of guy that sort of, you know... He’s not going to make this up for reasons of, you know, just... he doesn’t have the skill-set to do it. Right?

Henry: Yes.

Bill: And he was up in Alaska and, you know, they said that they found the largest oil reserve, basically, on the planet up there, that was larger than, actually, the reserves in the Middle East. And it got classified by the US government and shut down the day after they announced it.

Henry: Mm hm.

Bill: So, you know. I’m just wondering what the odds are of compartmentalization on things like this, and actually that, you know, certain people on certain levels, even Q-level, are being told one story and at another level the story is different.

Henry: Well, there are two things. One is that at that period in time (late 70’s) we didn’t have the same type of ground-penetrating systems that we do now. We weren’t...

Kerry: So the discovery could have been made, actually was made, after you had this meeting, in other words.

Henry: Yes.

Kerry: But they’ve kept the cover story. Theoretically, they’ve kept the peak oil cover story going for a reason. I mean, they don’t plan to release this anyway, even if it does exist.

Henry: Yes, well, I don’t know that it exists. I’ve never heard that it does. I mean, there is a high probability that it does exist. But still it’s not going to solve the converging problems that we’re up against anyway very shortly.

Kerry: Right. So could you name some more of the converging problems for everyone here, just to focus their minds a little?

Henry: Well, we’ve got the economic problems. We’ve got the manufactured war problems.

Kerry: OK, but, we also want to talk... I mean, what kind of planetary changes are we looking for and do you think anything’s going to happen within the next six months?

Henry: Maybe not in the next six months, but there’s a possibility, for instance, that we’re going to have a magnetic pole shift very soon here. Magnetic pole shift. I don’t know what effect that’s going to have, except that it could have some atmospheric effects, ionospheric effects, and a whole other list that you may or may not be able to figure out. Van Allen Belt, effects on that. Some of Earth’s protective shielding could be distorted from that. And global shortwave - HF - 'skip' communications may be more difficult - due to ionospheric changes. Relying on satellites for global communications is not a good idea either. That leaves the modern world with some problems as well.

As far as incoming - possibly incoming - Planet X, or whatever that people talk about, I for some reason don’t feel too concerned about that - in the next 12 months, at least. I don’t feel concern about it. I don’t have much to go on at the moment for that.

I am thinking of the rapidly growing demands for resources and the collapse or changes of the financial systems, and the various created threats of various wars - created wars, and I just see the population growth rate increasing very rapidly as another root cause in a long list of converging things. We already have a very large city being added to the planet every 24 hours, right? It’s kind of hard to educate that many new people on the planet when the population is growing at this rate.

Kerry: OK. And viruses? Do you have anything to say about that?

Henry: Well, I don’t know what the current thing is, but I feel that some very simple things can help protect you from those, from the viruses that have been released or may be released shortly.

I’ve mentioned something, last year, that sounds really really maybe ridiculous, but it’s Vitamin D3, 2500 IU a day if you’re not getting enough sun to create that in your body.

And then this... Of all the strange things, something that Bill handed me that I did some research on, which is this Sodium Chlorite solution [MMS].
But as far as... what do you want to look at? What’s coming? Or what do you need to prepare for?

Because there are so many things that are... There are certain things that are converging that are not physical things as well. They’re on a level where I feel and see a very... in the next, starting now, and for the next three or four years, greater and greater difficulty for people to communicate with each other. Not just electronically. But even face to face. [laughs]

Because of some... something that I can’t explain in words, that maybe Michael might be able to understand and explain, I don’t know. Our normal senses are very limited - remember this. Most of what IS - is undetectable… be thankful for that!

Michael: Yes. I know what you mean. Go ahead.

Henry: It parallels a Novelty Theory kind of thing, or a chaotic kind of thing that’s happening. It’s just a breakdown, like a Tower of Babel type scenario, among most of the people on this planet. Not everyone, but 99.99% of us. But unless your mind is very well trained and the other people you’re communicating with or want to communicate with are very well trained, there will likely be a lot of disorientation and interference - both man-made, sort of, well, for lack of better words, artificially created - and even more so, naturally created.

Kerry: Yeah. Michael and I were just discussing that yesterday.

Henry: Because of where we are in, so to speak, space, what we’re traveling through right now (and still approaching) is one of the things that’s causing this distortion as well. There’s several... It’s interesting that many things are all converging at the same time. I don’t really, specifically know why.

Michael: I understand you well. I am saying exactly...

Henry: But as far as planning goes... that’s why it’s important to do the planning/preparation as soon as possible, while people are still able to communicate effectively with each other. [Kerry laughs]

Kerry: We’re with you on that. And yes, there’s a dividing line starting to happen, I think, or several dividing lines.

Henry: You know, it’s not just the breakdown of the family unit, which has been going on for a while now. I’m talking about just between even the best of friends, you know. So I think that probably we that are gathered here at the moment have a greater chance of communicating, but even that can fall apart easily, no matter how hard you might wish for that not to.

So I’m not quite sure how to fix that except to... The strange thing is the mental processes and the mind itself and I’m no expert at that. I’m just learning. So, but...

Kerry: Do any of you have any other questions that you might want to ask Henry? OK, Bill is suggesting that you might mention to everyone the factors that you might want to consider for a “safe place,” if in fact we might not have thought of them in terms of...

I mean obviously we know running water is one of the things, but you might have some other things you might want to tell them about.

Henry: As stated before, proper training of your mind, along with meditative/relaxation practice is the most important “safe place” preparation.

Shelter comes next, and then water.
I’ve got a massive amount of survival lists and data that not only I’ve created but also collected since the ‘90s at least, and before. And from different sources as well. And to list it all out thoroughly so that you're well prepared would be quite difficult in just a few minutes.

This also reminds me of having on hand some Calcium Hypochlorite - that's swimming pool shock powder - for water purification. A very small amount goes a long way. And note that the US is trying to stop sales of portable iodine-based water purification systems... their reason is that they say it's used for manufacturing meth-type drugs!

I listened to some of, I think, what Michael mentioned, did you not, on the video? But yes, water, you need to know how much water you’re going to need for the people. You need to know how long you need to have this place or these locations or this location. How long you’re going to need to really utilize it, so that you know whether to just stockpile supplies or if you need to be able to, you know, start growing your own food and such.

Kerry: Well, how long, in your opinion? What are we looking at? Several years?

Henry: I think ideally you’re looking at something like about 5 years, to be on the safe side, five years of living in that type of survival-mode system, you know. I’m talking about once you’re really living in it, a five year period of time or so to getting out the other end.

I keep hoping that... I keep dreaming that nothing’s going to happen, but it’s always best to be prepared and not be... You know, like squirrels put acorns away for winter, you know.

Kerry: Well, as you know, I think we mentioned we’re creating a website that’s going to provide resources to people. So if you have information that we can possibly PDF and upload to that site, it would be really helpful in the future. I’m just mentioning that.

Henry: I sent you a reference to getting free CDs that are being distributed. I don’t know if you’ve seen that yet. I received one, a CD, and it’s basically how to reconstruct things if they should fall apart.

Basically the whole thing is technology. We’re relying so heavily on technology, the western society, the first world countries. It’s very, very sensitive to being shut down in a matter of minutes - the whole first-world life support system - the eggshell we live in.

And that’s why I mentioned EMP over and over again. And now look just what’s come out in the news. You may have noticed, there’s even talk about EMP over America here. But they need to know... The information that they gave out on the news as to what the altitude this would have to take place at is very critical.

They’re saying on the news some ridiculous altitude for an EMP pulse source, which is completely wrong, and it wouldn’t work. But the point is, that it's fine in this case that they’re giving the wrong information out to the public.

The thing is, is that something like that can be created in anyone’s garage. They just need to be able to have a small plane and set it off and they can easily fly away. Mind you, their plane would cease to function... a balloon, maybe?

There’s no real explosion or anything, just a small one. It’s not an explosive device so much as that it gives off a very powerful pulse. That one pulse is enough to knock down pretty much everything in the civilian world. Back to candles and horses.

Kerry: When you say “knock down,” are you talking knock down permanently? Or is it a temporary outage?

Henry: Yes. Shut down permanently. And this is not like that thing that happened a few years back, that 2000-bug or whatever it was. I mean, we were preparing for that in the government systems, with typewriters and carbon-copy-paper and all that stuff because we took it seriously then. But fortunately Y2K didn’t happen.

But this is something that’s a much easier thing for someone to do if they... It only takes an average person to make it happen. So all of a sudden this has been popping up in my mind for some reason and within a few days now it’s in the news. I don’t know how that happened.

But what I’m saying is that that means that the grid would go down and pretty much permanently. I mean for a long period of time.

Of course, you still have a domino effect on a global scale because you’re talking about all the various... anything, all the various technologies, banking systems, and communication systems.

We rely very heavily on satellites for most communications on the planet now. And satellites are very sensitive to these things, except for a handful of them which were EMP and radiation hardened against this type of thing. But that’s not going to be for public use, of course.

Michael: Henry, would that kind of a charge fry computers and things that are off, also?

Henry: Oh yes. They don’t have to be turned on.

Michael: They don’t have to be turned on. So in other words to try to stockpile or guard against that isn’t any use?

Henry: Well, if you’re trying to save data, if you have it on optical disk, CD disk, it has no effect on that.

Bill: But it would on a magnetic drive?

Henry: Magnetic drives, it might scramble some of it. but the thing is, the microprocessors and the memory chips would be fried. And the power sources.

Kerry: You also have a way, though, of shielding, like building a box or something...

Henry: Oh, yeah.

Kerry: ...out of aluminum foil, or something. I don’t know.

Henry: Yeah, it’s very simple to shield. But the thing is, without the infrastructure, you still don’t have the internet, etc.

Kerry: Right.

Henry: So, I mean, you’ve got your local thing to read but that’s it. Or you’ve got your short-wave radio communications equipment that you can also shield or if you have vacuum tube technology, it’s unaffected by that. So that’s why old systems, vacuum tube equipment, is completely immune to this type of thing. So are the older power plants that are not computer controlled.

Kerry: And what about cars? Weren’t you making a point about cars?

Henry: Well, anything up to the 1960s has a good chance of working. Even the gasoline-powered ones, except for there’s a possibility that - a remote possibility - that maybe the spark coils [laughs] because they will step up the voltages in the primaries, it could burn out some of the spark coils in the engine compartments of some of the vehicles. But that’s, I say probably only in the most intense fields. So just the newer vehicles. But forget about getting fuel!

Kerry: So you’re saying any vehicle made after the 1960s would be vulnerable. Is that what you’re saying?

Henry: 90% of them, yes.

Kerry: And what about diesel? Does having diesel make any difference?

Henry: As long as it doesn’t have a computer controlled diesel engine in it, then it’s fine. So you know, the old Rovers, or the old Valps that they had, like in, I think ir's in Sweden, they made Valps. You can buy those. They would be very reliable. Any military type of vehicle.

Michael: The old Willis Jeeps are fine.

Henry: So it’s important to have a vehicle that... Or if you don’t want to rely on a fuel, because then fuel’s a problem. Of course I’m running my diesel car off of... I’ve been experimenting lately. I’ve been running it off of pure sunflower oil. And it’s working fine in the summertime. It wouldn’t work in the winter unless it was warmed first. That’s just an example.

Bill: You can put some castor oil in there to actually help with it as well.

Henry: Anything to thin it out so it doesn’t congeal. But it would be best to have a backup. Animal powered or people powered things would be a good backup.

Kerry: Henry, is this definitely going to happen, in your opinion?

Henry: Well, there’s so many things converging that the probability is that at least half of them... half of hundreds of things are going to happen. So something definitely very harsh is going to happen.

I think that the harshest thing that’s going to happen is not even going to... The harshest thing is not even... Again, the physical thing is harshest, hard on most people. That’s what they fear most. But the harshest thing will be on the psychological scale, not just one psychological thing but multiple psychological things converging on different planes, different levels, you know. On a three-dimensional space-time level and at much higher levels.

Bill: You were saying about the different levels psychologically, where people may have troubles or issues that pop up... So can you give a really quick summary of like what you see the major traumas are?

I mean, I would suspect at least one of them has to do with, as the breakdown of the magnetic field happens on the Earth, like you said, people start to get confused and that their minds don’t operate properly any more, since we are electromagnetic in origin.

But otherwise, what are the other items that you’re seeing?

Henry: OK. Well I’m not saying that that’s what’s causing the disorientation, but that may be one of the factors. But really you’ve got the really down-to-Earth, so to speak, factors of financial collapse and crises, and the stressors people have to deal with.

And then you’ve got people trying to protect their families and in the process gathering materials at all cost from other sources, including neighbors and other people. Religious beliefs are causing confusion and division as well. Religious leaders are being bought-off by certain agencies - with the idea to help control and manipulate the 'believers'. Having spiritual beliefs is important for many people, but be careful who you listen to... if they claim to have the answers. It is up to you.

So, you know you’ve got the collapse, the breakdown, in the cities. Food supply deliveries and such, the psychological part of that. Take some time and think of the domino effect - the interactions and interdependencies of systems.

Then you’ve got the manufactured and real threats of wars.


And then you’ve got the possibility of a fake - a very strong possibility, very soon - of a fake invasion from outer space menaces that... Like Kerry, I don’t know what you saw. But that may have been an example of one of the machines that was built right here.

Kerry: Oh yeah. It had the feeling of that, I have to admit, although it was extremely high...

Henry: Yeah. So with thousands of those being flown over cities and highly populated areas, and then using the vast media, you can do an awful lot of psychological damage and control - psyops - to a lot of people.

Kerry: Right. But ultimately, what do you think the result of that’s going to be?

Henry: Then being able to control people, to maybe put them into... ah...

Kerry: Camps?

Henry: Yes, exactly. Now, Switzerland... There’s something going on. I’ve mentioned to you already, Kerry and Bill, I think, that there’s something going on. I guess if you live there you probably know this, that there’s something going on underground in many places.

Kerry: I mean, there’s no doubt about it, but the question is whether or not it’s a negative something. In other words, I think that’s what’s... I mean, I think it’s a given that there’s development underground in Switzerland in many locations.

Henry: I don’t know if it’s negative or positive, but it’s being kept very quiet. I guess we're all outside the loop for that.

Michael: What I have noticed in Switzerland, driving in and out of it now for a few years... I’ve been in the US for 15 years and I came back. In the last two to four years, I’ve noticed rapidly an increase in building of towers, radio communication towers. And I’ve heard of people telling me that the mood swings in Switzerland are pretty intense.

Henry: Exactly.

Michael: This would lead me to believe that even the Swiss are not above it or below it, to conduct such psychological experiments of how they can modulate the moods of people with some sort of towers. I’ve just noticed that there are a lot of radio towers coming up along the highways and everywhere because I watch out for that. I know what to look for.

Bill: And they’re putting up cameras in all the public transportation as well.

Michael: Oh yes, yes, it’s huge. So Switzerland is not that great in some... in some respects I’ve found that Switzerland has gotten worse than when I knew it, say, 20 years ago.

Kerry: Except for the mountains. If you get up in the mountains, you can get away from all that

Michael: Yes, that’s true.

Henry: I agree. As long as you’re in a valley area in a high mountain area, but surrounded... A higher altitude area, but surrounded by mountains, you know, on all sides - that would be a good location. But you don’t want to be in the bottom of the valley. You’d want to be like half-way up on the side of the mountain. So, not in the bottom of any valley, but in a mountainous area.

As far as being able to shield yourself from something like that, I think the only practical way is to either be out of the area far enough or be very aware of it before you go into the situation.

And as far as being able to detect this type of technology, I don’t think it’s practical to carry around equipment to do it. In fact, some of it’s, I think, pretty much impossible to shield yourself from it because it’s operating at, not microwave frequencies, which is what some of the stuff in the towns are using, are in the gigahertz and above.

But they’re also using ultra-low frequencies which are, like, close to brainwave frequencies, very very low frequencies that you cannot shield even if you go underground quite a ways. So even a Faraday Cage wouldn’t work, and that’s... I’ve thought about that.

So the best solution is to be away from that as much as possible, physically, and also stay aware. So if you pick a location, that’s, like I said, that would be what I would be looking for.

Michael: So we’re looking in and around Switzerland. OK? So it would have an area that would also include some of the EU, European Union, places, which would be much easier to access for US people.

Henry: OK.

Michael: I mean easier whether they have money or not, is what I mean.

Henry: Yes. I don’t know. It would be nice to stay out of the European Union, but at some point it won’t matter because the borders will become somewhat meaningless.

Michael: That’s right. It won’t matter, but you have to understand that the localities... I’ve looked into this carefully for a long time, OK? I’ve been seeing this coming for 25 years at least.

The areas around Switzerland work actually just as that - as areas. For instance, the Haute-Savoie works in such a way that the region of Savoie - which would be the French part of Lake Geneva - and the Swiss part of the lake work together as one area - more so than an area in Switzerland would work with another area far away in Switzerland. You understand?

Those are economic co-operation areas. The same with border areas between Germany and Switzerland, or the Black Forest. So you just work in areas that function as economic centers. And from what I’ve researched, the southern part of Germany is definitely the engine, the economic engine, of Europe.

Henry: Interesting.

Michael: So the southern part of Germany will definitely function for quite a while still. I mean, that’s why, for instance, I was told that in four years there would be not a single car here driving on gasoline.

And they’re very aware of what’s going on, and I think, knocking at a solution at a state level. By state level I mean, let’s say, Bavaria, or Baden-Württemberg, or Hesse - those are states in Germany. They run their own affairs, according to how they see the economy and the climate changing. And they are very well ahead of everybody else in solutions in what they want to do in the future. And they are acting on this already now.

Henry: I’m sure that.... Yes. Definitely.

Have you seen the science fiction movie? It’s something like... What was it Michael, When Two Worlds Collide, or something? And people had to decide who was going to get on the ship to leave for the new planet? It’s an old movie.

Bill: Battlestar Galactica had the same a couple of times. That’s a crazy shortage idea, isn’t it? When there’s a shortage of safety, people can’t all come.

Henry: Yeah. As far as economic things go, I think... I don’t know how long money will work. And which currencies, I don’t know. They’ll have to change a lot in the next few years, the currencies and their values. But I think that...

I had a feeling up until recently that it would be the Chinese currency and some Asian currencies that might hold their strength a little bit better than the western ones. The Swiss currency is a mystery to me. Any usury-based financial system will fail in today’s world.

As far as currencies, I’ve pulled out, to some degree, out of fiat currency into of course what Michael had suggested, quite a few years ago, seeing things coming. But unfortunately most of it’s locked up in dollars and I’m not quite sure what direction to go with that.

Michael: Well the best is just to have it in gold, physical gold. And I have solutions here, very practical, in Frankfurt and in Switzerland both, where we can do it really easy.

Here in Germany you can go to a bank, they give you a lot of red tape because they want to control who owns the gold. Whereas, at other banks, they are very cooperative and let you have it right over the counter there and then at spot price.

So this varies a lot from bank to bank. Those are house policies. Then there come laws from country to country. So there is no homogenized law in Europe about this.

But I know where to get it legally without any trouble. You just come here and we do it here. I don’t want to explain it over the internet, OK?

Henry: Yes. Are you aware of what’s happening right now, in the United States today, as far as the economic, the banking system?

Michael: Generally I am well aware. Yes. The best website that you can check in, Today’s News, is that Paulsen said, and this was expected, that they would take over IndyMac, all the Macs, all of it. They will basically just nationalize it. Of course they don’t call it nationalizing it. They call it... whatever the word. You know, they have a good way with words. But essentially they’re going to take it over.

Henry: They’re telling people on ABC news and such to not, please don’t go for bank runs. You know, don’t take your money out, that everything will be OK. [laughs]

Michael: And that’s the way to have the bank run happen. Yes.

Henry: This is major news.

Michael: Yeah, I know. I heard it this morning. I was watching at 6 in the morning. Yes, I’m with it. I was actually watching in the hotel. I have no television. I never watch television, but from time to time in hotels I like to see what the people are being told. And it’s quite amazing to see the version told to people of the version I know.

Anyway, there is a website you want to stay in touch with, if you can write it down. It’s the website by Jim Sinclair. It’s spelled www.jsmineset.com.

Anyway, that one guy and his team of traders, gold traders, currency traders, they really have a clue and they give very valuable commentary. I’ve been watching their site for about four years now. They have been highly accurate throughout about everything that they comment on. They have the best charts, graphics, everything about currencies, metals, commodities, just the whole thing. Plus commentary on what’s going on and what the media is reporting.

Henry: I have it now. I have it bookmarked.

Michael: OK. That site is really the one. Plus you can even look at Financial Times a little bit. In London. They are lately a lot more up to date of what’s going on. In the commentary section they actually do let certain journalists comment on what’s really going on, according to them. So it’s amazing to see that Financial Times actually talks in a lot more critical way about what is happening.

Henry: I’ve followed Kitco for quite a few years, and that’s about it. So...

Michael: Yes well Kitco is one of the base sources of the charts that Jim Sinclair uses in his website.

Henry: And gold, in the end, gold may have some other value, but as far as... You can’t eat it or anything, so then comes the thing with the bartering ideas as well if you need to go to that. Unless you’ve in an isolated area which is self-sufficient... you don’t do much bartering, I guess.

Bill: Or you create a community currency.

Henry: So I guess what we’re talking about is holding value for a future time.

Michael: Well, you see, gold - and silver to some extent - both are going to be currency as well as commodity. Gold anyway is currency. But silver to some degree might also come in as a little currency, a mini-currency for smaller communities.

Bill: I would suggest that we would re-monetize simply because of the fact there isn’t enough gold....

Michael: Yes.

Henry: There’s not enough for the population. But then, that’s the other thing - what will the population be in ten years? I’m afraid to say. I don’t want to say. I’d like to say it’s going to be about what it is now instead of some doom and gloom thing, which is what people are pushing for - a drastic cut in population. There’s a desire on the part of certain organizations to cut the population quite a bit, as we know. So... or we’ve heard.

So as far as planning for this, I think to stay focused on finding a good location, planning for what’s needed, making a list of everything that’s needed so that you don’t miss some very key important things.

Also, medical and dental help, medical facilities, dental facilities, medical supplies, you know, that sort of... Oh, for those who are on medications such as SSRIs, antidepressants - wean yourself off of them. For those who feel dependent on other powerful meds - do the same. There are many reasons for this. Consider this a priority for you. Take some time and gather a bit of knowledge about plants for food and health.

Kerry: One thing that you could do in the future, or the near future, is send us any information that you have, or link us to information that you think we should include on our website for other people to, you know. In other words, as you say...

Henry: I’d definitely order the disk that I sent you in the last couple of days. It won’t take any time to do that. They mail that out.

Kerry: So you’re saying that contains most of what we need?

Henry: ...ah ...I haven’t gone through it because it’s quite a vast database, a reconstruction database, so if high tech systems - if and when they shut down - you’ll be able to put everything back together again, except in a better way. So it’s something a group, a global group, has put together over a period of time. That’s a start right there. And the disks are being distributed free on the internet to anyone who needs them.

Kerry: That’s very interesting. We’ll pass that along to everyone so everyone can order one and so on.

Henry: There’s so much. It really takes a... It’s interesting to be able to try to get the people together that you really need to kind of do the planning without it turning into a big mess. There are fear factors. We all know that you can end up with a community or group of people that could... where one might be too dominating, or like that, or... Instead of having a group that just works as a team with no really one strong leader, but just a symbiotic type of...

Kerry: Community.

Henry: Yeah. The only way it could really work right...

Kerry: And not as personalities but more as caring, sharing beings.

Henry: Yeah. Each person has something that’s essential and some aspect, so it’s kind of like one body that’s, you know, in a sense, working with many arms and minds and such.


Bill: I’ve got a couple of detail questions which I just wonder if I could just ask. It’s the kind of thing I would ask you if we were sitting around a table. And they may be simple ones for you to answer. One is when you said that... I can’t remember the words you used, but you said that the borders would become something like not so relevant, or not so strong, or more permeable or something like that. And that interested me. I wondered if you could speak to that.

And the other question is just one for my own curiosity. When you talked about the faked alien invasion. Do we really have that many of our own craft? And you felt very strongly that that would happen. I’ve never heard you say that before.

Henry: Oh yeah. To answer the last, the second question, is: we have more than you... I don’t know how many that we have, but we have more than you could... You’d be very surprised. Everyone would be very surprised.

But they’ve been going... They’ve been around for many decades, you know, so we’re talking about a long period. We’re talking about - in our era - they were around for many decades, since just before World War II, definitely.

I mean, of course, Germany... the Germans were given some bits and pieces of the technology to put some of this together. Unfortunately, the people that gave it to them realized they’d made a big mistake - and they weren’t so intelligent after all even though they may have been advanced. They didn’t follow the prime directive, I guess you might say, of non-interference. [laughs]

Michael: I meant to ask you a question about that. Do you think that sightings in Mexico in January 2005, was that fake or was that real? Do you remember, all these lights they were showing on Mexican television?

Henry: I don’t remember exactly that, but I know that some of the things, like the ones that have to do with lights, basically, not the physical things, but more lights, that’s nothing to do with the type of things... That has nothing to do with the limited technology that the governments would be utilizing, so to speak.

Bill: OK.

Henry: That’s advanced beyond the normal-day human thing. That’s not part of the attacks and fake attack scenario.

Bill: But this plan is pretty real and pretty probable, as I seem to be hearing you saying.

Henry: Yeah. Yeah. They’ve just been playing around with it. But the playing time is pretty much coming to an end very shortly here. It’s time that the testing phase is almost done.

Bill: Wow. And these are real craft, not holograms? Or would they use holographic technology as well?

Henry: Real physical craft. Hologram technology exists, but that's quite limited still. It was John Lear that said... but I’m sorry. It may have happened, but that’s just not... No. Why would other groups that have gone through all the trouble of doing the physical aspect of that whole scene back in September 2001...?

As far as the borders are concerned, it’s just that they will kind of become meaningless when people are just in the survival mode and things are breaking down and the borders disappear, you know.

Bill: Like the border guards aren’t even there because they’re taking care of their own situation, and everything’s....

Henry: Yeah. The borders shut down, so at that point it doesn’t matter, you know. Just remember - the real problems are generated in the mind. If you can train your mind, you have your island of light - your safe spot.

Bill: Got it.


Henry: But before that time, I mean, in the next... I can’t say when. From here until that time, the borders are going to... There’s going to be a lot of... much, much greater difficulty in going from country to country. Some countries. And so, as you’ve probably experienced, Bill, just going into the United States, it’s not as friendly an experience as it was.

Bill: Regarding taking data off the hard drive, are you saying that would be done covertly, or would it be done by saying, Give me your computer, we need to take it all off your drive?

Henry: Well, that’s the next step that’s starting right now, is overtly.

Bill: Overtly. OK.

Henry: Either it’s: Open it up and let’s take a look at what’s on there. Or if they want to they go to the next level and they just take it for a few hours and go through your system, then give it back to you... hopefully give it back to you after they‘ve taken what they need, or tried to take what they need, off. That’s in the Christian Science Monitor in the last 24 hours.

Bill: Yeah. We’ll check that out. If you had your data on an external disk in your luggage, presumably that’s something that then they wouldn’t necessarily know about.

Henry: Well, if you put it on a CD...

Bill: On a CD, right.

Henry: A CD is mainly plastic with some foil inside. There are all kinds of things you can use. Probably, what you call it, SD cards, or smaller, mini-SDs. But then that’s... Again, use freeware software that makes the storage medium look like an empty disk. It's readily available.

Bill: Got it. Thank you...

I think, though, that actually the whole point of what we’ve been discussing here is about that, actually, in my view. Because I think - to that point of what we can do for 6 billion people, and maybe not for 6 billion immediately - but the real power, and this is the part which is I think challenging, is that the power is in organization.

I mean, if you look at what we talk about, what is life. Right? It’s an organism. Right? Or it’s an organization or it’s something that’s organized. And that’s something that people, they need help to do.

And I think that’s the real value here about starting to look at these projects that we’re discussing. It’s about really helping people to find a way to organize themselves in a cohesive and sensible fashion that will help everyone involved.


Look, I’m going to stop monopolizing this conversation, but thanks for picking up those details. And is there anyone else who really wants to say anything here besides, really, many thanks for being here in every way.

Henry: Getting hold of the mass... being able to use the mass media which most people use - the television - to be able to utilize that tool, is one of the most powerful things, physically, I think. And some of the major networks, apparently, are starting to open up a little bit now, too, and not be so conventional, which is a little bit promising. Anyway, I don’t know what to say...

Kerry: Well, actually Henry, I think you’ve said quite a bit, and we appreciate it a lot.

Henry: Well thank you for letting me be there with you, except I didn’t get to have anything to drink. [laughter]

Michael: Well thank you very much, OK? And you’re welcome here.

Henry: I feel like I almost did have it. Just being... I feel like I’m there. I feel... It’s uplifting.

Kerry: And please take care of yourself.

Henry: Thank you. all of you.

Henry: Just make sure if you transcribe - that you don’t add any adjectives to it or anything. No embellishments and that’ll be fine.

Bill: No, just straight. Just for a record of all the questions and answers because there’s been a lot of really important information here. And I couldn’t remember it because I haven’t been taking notes.

Henry: This has all been a very rough outline, of course. Remember - train and prepare your mind and your hearts - then all else will be easy for you.

OK. Well, have a good day, everyone. I’m going to get some rest. I’ve been up for quite a long time.

Kerry: All right. Take care.

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Decoders take a crack at letter sent to Fermilab
Through the Internet, hundreds try to unlock meaning of mysterious missive

By Jeremy Manier | Chicago Tribune reporter
11:43 PM CDT, July 10, 2008

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Decoders take a crack at letter sent to Fermilab
Through the Internet, hundreds try to unlock meaning of mysterious missive

By Jeremy Manier

Chicago Tribune reporter

11:43 PM CDT, July 10, 2008

The enigma began last year when a plain envelope with no return address arrived at the world-famous physics laboratory outside Chicago, addressed simply to "Fermilab."

Inside was a single sheet marked by pen with a bizarre series of hash marks, numbers and alien-looking symbols.

No one at the lab could make sense of the letter. Was it a joke? A threat? A hint at some exotic new theory?

Whatever the meaning, something about the inscription's order and symmetry touched Judy Jackson, the first person to examine the letter. "It was beautiful, kind of like abstract art," said Jackson, Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory's director of public affairs.

In hopes of cracking the code, Jackson's colleagues posted the letter in May on their Internet blog.

Hundreds of people from around the world responded and several of them quickly deciphered part of the hidden message, discovering to their surprise that it named an 86-year-old retired physicist from Princeton University who designed some of Fermilab's first experimental tools.

But one section of the cipher continues to resist any solution, and no one knows the sender's identity—though many suspect the author was a lab insider.

The keys to the mystery have taken code-breakers on a romp that encompasses Fermi's earliest days in the 1960s, the cryptic jargon of computer programming and high-energy physics, and the power of "crowdsourcing," or unleashing a problem on the collective intelligence of an Internet community.

"It's really a treasure-hunt mentality," said one of the code-breakers, Geoff Milburn, an engineer with the Canadian Space Agency based near Montreal.

Fermi has always been a beacon for amateur scientists and anyone eager to air an odd theory or puzzling proclamation, so the arrival of an unsolicited letter on March 5, 2007, was not unusual.

"We get a couple of these a week, everything from curious kids to someone writing about the latest developments in his proof that Einstein was wrong," Jackson said.

Blog attracts 30,000
On May 15, Jackson's group released the letter on a physics blog they had launched recently, under the heading, "Code crackers wanted!" Within a day the blog post attracted 30,000 visitors, many drawn by a link from the technology news site Slashdot, self-described as "news for nerds."

At first the technophiles seemed stumped. Proposals for a solution trickled in—some serious, some fanciful. A couple of Slashdot users suggested the marks were a kind of music notation; another theorized it was a test by the National Security Agency to see how people solve complex codes.

One wag opined in mock horror: "It's a cookbook!"

But several amateur decoders zeroed in on a solution on May 16, the day after the original post appeared. They noticed that the hash marks in the top part of the message came in distinct bunches of between one and three marks, appearing as I, II or III.

That suggested the code was mathematical, many analysts thought. Furthermore, the use of just three digits implied that the code relied on the base-3 counting system, as opposed to the base-10 system we use for everyday math problems.

To Milburn of Canada, a puzzle aficionado since childhood, the base-3 system made sense because it could yield 27 distinct combinations using three digits—just enough to encode all the letters of the alphabet, plus a spare combination used for spacing.

"It's best to assume the simplest solution, and if that doesn't work, then try something more complicated," Milburn said.

Milburn wrote down the sequence of base-3 numbers from 1 to 27, then assigned a letter to each number, with the last number representing a space. But that attempt yielded only gibberish when he plugged it into the Fermilab code. So he tried again with a slight shift, assigning the blank space to the first number instead of the last.

That coding technique yielded the following:

"FRANK SHOEMAKER WOULD CALL THIS NOISE."

The bottom group of hash marks used a slightly different base-3 code, which the code-breakers cracked using a similar technique. It read:

"EMPLOYEE NUMBER BASSE SIXTEEN."

As strange as the code itself had been, the decoded message seemed just as inscrutable. But seeing the name on the Fermilab message board prompted a shiver of recognition for Peter Meyers, a Princeton University physics professor who has occupied an office across the hall from fellow physicist Frank Shoemaker for more than 20 years.

"It's kind of like finding your friend's name in some ancient hieroglyphics," Meyers said.

The code's reference to Shoemaker, a Fermilab legend, suggested that the author was a physics insider. Shoemaker had arrived at Princeton in 1951 when Albert Einstein still showed up for the occasional physics lecture there.

In the late 1960s, Shoemaker led the team that designed the powerful magnets for Fermilab's first big particle accelerator, the Main Ring.

Meyers said Shoemaker was an exacting researcher and would criticize fellow scientists who had failed to account for excess "noise" in their experiments. Shoemaker, now 86 and ailing, was amused by the code, Meyers said.

Asked if he thought the code's author was someone who knew him, Shoemaker told Meyers, "It's quite possible. The comment is not out of character for me."

Multiple theories floated
No one quite understands the second message about an employee number, though many decoders think it refers to the author's old employee number at Fermilab. Most think "basse sixteen" was a typo and the author meant to write "base sixteen," referring to the mathematical technique needed to decode the employee number.

The key may reside in the code's alien-looking middle section, which remains as baffling as ever.

A few decoders think the solutions found thus far are just a ruse, hiding a deeper message.

Work on the enigma shares many qualities with genuine physics research, experts said—first comes a hunch, then refinement of ideas and finally the answer snaps into view. But for the Fermilab code, as for theories of the real world, a final solution may require another flash of insight.

jmanier@tribune.com

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Boy, when it rains it pours! I just had a very interesting phone chat with Kerry Cassidy, who finally returned my call. I'll have that in a moment. But first, because Cyberbird just posted an interview with "Henry Deacon", I thought I would point something out - strictly for what it's worth.


Cyberbird, quoting 'Henry Deacon' being interviewed by Kerry Cassidy, wrote:
Switzerland... intuitively is all I can go by - well, not all I can go by - sounds like it might work if you have people who are very familiar with the country, which it sounds like you are. So I would say it would be a good choice as far as population density and the distance from... wherever you think the population density is not too great.

And of course you have lots of mountains, right? So we could talk about that. I’m sure you’ve already thought about all those things.
...
Now, Switzerland... There’s something going on. I’ve mentioned to you already, Kerry and Bill, I think, that there’s something going on. I guess if you live there you probably know this, that there’s something going on underground in many places.
...
Bill: And they’re putting up cameras in all the public transportation as well.

Michael: Oh yes, yes, it’s huge. So Switzerland is not that great in some... in some respects I’ve found that Switzerland has gotten worse than when I knew it, say, 20 years ago.

Kerry: Except for the mountains. If you get up in the mountains, you can get away from all that

Michael: Yes, that’s true.

Henry: I agree. As long as you’re in a valley area in a high mountain area, but surrounded... A higher altitude area, but surrounded by mountains, you know, on all sides - that would be a good location. But you don’t want to be in the bottom of the valley. You’d want to be like half-way up on the side of the mountain. So, not in the bottom of any valley, but in a mountainous area.
...


Now, compare that to this:

Would the Zetas care to rethink their advice for Switzerland? http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx026.htm Switzerland is far from any shore, at least 300 miles. It's well inland. It's very hard to believe that any water from the Atlantic or the Mediterranean can pour into Switzerland. And it will certainly not be an island in the Aftertime, no way!

Have you ever seen tidal bore? Have you ever seen tidal clash, where waters cannot drain because the press of water from another direction is encountered? Have you ever seen a river backing up because it cannot drain? Our words stand. Irregular sloshing where neither force of water has an outlet but encounters another force of water is something humans seldom encounter. If you're so smug about what you know, then go to Switzerland and ignore our words. It's your life.

Telephone Conversation With Kerry Cassidy

I called Bill and Kerry (actually it's Kerry whose voice comes on) and we talked about these very issues, and came to an 'understanding' of sorts, because I was originally calling "Project Camelot" (i.e. Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy) to clarify if the recent "maligning" in Bill's "Big Picture" comments (which have recently been removed, thanks Kerry and Bill) referred either to myself and danburisch.info, or if they referred to Shady, UJ, or myself and others from this forum website, or if it referred to unnamed others who might appear to be "professional maligners" of Dan B. Kerry neither confirmed nor denied, so the absence of those comments leads me to believe that her words on the phone of not "taking sides", or denigrating others, were closer to their philosophy than the previous comments. She also stated that we (earth) are getting "awfully close to the wire". On that point we agreed.

I also wanted to find out if they would be receptive to joining a landmark lawsuit, to put the claims made by these "insiders" to the test. While it's clear to many of us that Henry Deacon is warning to prepare for the calamitous effects of the poleshift, he's allowed to speak ominously of this 'event' precisely because he downplays the dreaded 'Planet X', which is a prerequisite of any that are allowed to follow in DB's footsteps and "talk". Even George Green may have done more of a public service in that the 'Destiny of his message' is to prepare, to learn to work together, etc.

I discussed the insidiousness of how sterilized and PC Dan B.'s message had to become as soon as he was "allowed" to follow his "orders" to "disclose". In his case, he was technically correct as to his experiences, and as to what he was told by the Chi'el'ah entity, but that he had been carefully cultivated to only carry the "peace n' love n' brotherhood" part of the message, which emasculated it. Regarding demanding of Congress a full investigation into the allegations, Kerry was even naive enough to suggest that she would have to "talk to Dan about it". Ouch! Like asking the fox guarding the henhouse if the rooster could perhaps advise the hens of the fox's true intentions?!? [bites tongue] Worse, in my point of view, she thought that because if all the people in Congress were "fools" or worse, we shouldn't even make the effort. Many would agree with her, which is why these things are so hard to get off the ground because most people become too "realistic" and therefore talk themselves out of the power they have to effect change. Or, in this case, the full panoply of what humans have learned from extraterrestrials since the 1940s.

The good news is that she told me about the new website she and Bill are preparing, for people to organize together to find "safe places" and prepare. Despite the same fawning naivete towards Dan B. that many members of this GT had in the early days, now exhibited by Bill and Kerry, they are at least conceding that no matter how many times we pray for "Unity!" there is still the plausibility of a near-ELE that we need to prepare for. Call it ZT Lite, without all that nasty political stuff that shows how evil and corrupt Dan's bosses are.

I explained that I've heard from a number of sources recently that confirm Dan B.'s "message" has been carefully shielded from real data that would certify the PTB's awareness of that thing "sitting out there next to the Sun" as one referred to it. I'm also saddened to learn that someone connected with keeping the extent of the Coverup from him (from Dan) may have been killed..... or had his memory wiped at minimum. I said that they (Congress) will not do this willingly if at all; the only mechanism that will even foster an environment of possibility is the escalation in earth changes that will require an answer of them whether they want to or not. And that is despite the fact we agreed (Kerry and I at least) on the fact that there have been several coups in our recent history, that our legislatures are only rubber-stamps for the real PTB, that our government is so compromised its laughable and useless, etc. But that still doesn't justify shoulder-shruggin'; if we try it and fail, it says a lot more than if we simply tell ourselves its useless.

So, along with an update on the danburisch.info site that acknowledges Dan has technically been sincere, his entire presentation has been geared to give a false impression that will have disasterous consequences. Meanwhile, he can assuage his guilt for being the guineau pig with photo-ops at soup kitchens (all very laudable, but all missing the point). Angels Disobey, like hell! Dan is as close as the cabal will come to admitting anything about ET; this is why he's the focal point for the frustration that he's not telling the more important aspects of Disclosure.

A reminder: technically, Dan B. and Majestic 12 violated the Constitution of the United States in acting in such a manner that they signed and therefore made legally binding such treaty instruments of the alleged "Tau 9 Treaty Conference for the Preservation of Humanity", whereas the Constitution admits the legality of treaties only after 2/3rds of the US senate has ratified said treaties. And we still do not know the terms of not only the Tau-9 but the OF-9.

Incidentally, Simmering Frog made an excellent point in his analysis of pessimism/faith/optimism. It was done right before the new volume started, so it's probably still on the index page as it's own thread, but I'll try to have it moved in here where it should be, shortly.

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Simmering Frog wrote:
For those who believe in the values of astrology. [The Queen does, BTW.]

Astrology In Troubled Times, by Jessica Murray. In The Mountain Astrologer, June/July 2008. A most worthwhile read, even if you do not accept the doctrine of Astrology. A brilliant analysis of the overcurrents driving world events.

www.mountainastrologer.com

Footnote 3.

“To have faith is not the same thing as being optimistic. To lack faith is not the same thing as pessimism. The terms optimism and pessimism refer to character traits, not to the presence or absence of that transpersonal Neptunian phenomenon we are calling faith. This distinction becomes important when the words are used to shift and trivialize the terms of public debate. It is a misapplication of the term pessimistic to use it to refer, for example, to the observation that the world is running out of oil or that fish populations are dying off. To characterize such discussions a pessimistic is to confuse the facts themselves with one’s emotional responses to the facts.”

End quote.

Based on her whole article, I think she is misinformed about the “peak oil” scam rather than embedding root disinformation within a great deal of truth.
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Shady Groves wrote:
"How can we expect righteousness to prevail when there is hardly anyone willing to give himself up individually to a righteous cause. Such a fine, sunny day, and I have to go. But what does my death matter, if through us thousands of people are awakened and stirred to action?" The Last Recorded Words of Sophie Scholl


This was my attitude towards Kerry, Shady. I couldn't believe that she was downplaying the need to do something to crack the Coverup. She thinks political action is useless, that it never succeeds, etc. I should have quoted this Sophie Scholl. And then they wonder why people are angry that Dan B. appears to be bamboozling us, to distract us, to avoid even debating the very concept of a 'Nibiru', when our historical texts are replete with references.

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Dondep wrote:
Boy, when it rains it pours! I just had a very interesting phone chat with Kerry Cassidy, who finally returned my call. I'll have that in a moment. But first, because Cyberbird just posted an interview with "Henry Deacon", I thought I would point something out - strictly for what it's worth.


Cyberbird, quoting 'Henry Deacon' being interviewed by Kerry Cassidy, wrote:
Switzerland... intuitively is all I can go by - well, not all I can go by - sounds like it might work if you have people who are very familiar with the country, which it sounds like you are. So I would say it would be a good choice as far as population density and the distance from... wherever you think the population density is not too great.

And of course you have lots of mountains, right? So we could talk about that. I’m sure you’ve already thought about all those things.
...
Now, Switzerland... There’s something going on. I’ve mentioned to you already, Kerry and Bill, I think, that there’s something going on. I guess if you live there you probably know this, that there’s something going on underground in many places.
...
Bill: And they’re putting up cameras in all the public transportation as well.

Michael: Oh yes, yes, it’s huge. So Switzerland is not that great in some... in some respects I’ve found that Switzerland has gotten worse than when I knew it, say, 20 years ago.

Kerry: Except for the mountains. If you get up in the mountains, you can get away from all that

Michael: Yes, that’s true.

Henry: I agree. As long as you’re in a valley area in a high mountain area, but surrounded... A higher altitude area, but surrounded by mountains, you know, on all sides - that would be a good location. But you don’t want to be in the bottom of the valley. You’d want to be like half-way up on the side of the mountain. So, not in the bottom of any valley, but in a mountainous area.
...


Now, compare that to this:

Would the Zetas care to rethink their advice for Switzerland? http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfx026.htm Switzerland is far from any shore, at least 300 miles. It's well inland. It's very hard to believe that any water from the Atlantic or the Mediterranean can pour into Switzerland. And it will certainly not be an island in the Aftertime, no way!

Have you ever seen tidal bore? Have you ever seen tidal clash, where waters cannot drain because the press of water from another direction is encountered? Have you ever seen a river backing up because it cannot drain? Our words stand. Irregular sloshing where neither force of water has an outlet but encounters another force of water is something humans seldom encounter. If you're so smug about what you know, then go to Switzerland and ignore our words. It's your life.

Telephone Conversation With Kerry Cassidy

I called Bill and Kerry (actually it's Kerry whose voice comes on) and we talked about these very issues, and came to an 'understanding' of sorts, because I was originally calling "Project Camelot" (i.e. Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy) to clarify if the recent "maligning" in Bill's "Big Picture" comments (which have recently been removed, thanks Kerry and Bill) referred either to myself and danburisch.info, or if they referred to Shady, UJ, or myself and others from this forum website, or if it referred to unnamed others who might appear to be "professional maligners" of Dan B. Kerry neither confirmed nor denied, so the absence of those comments leads me to believe that her words on the phone of not "taking sides", or denigrating others, were closer to their philosophy than the previous comments. She also stated that we (earth) are getting "awfully close to the wire". On that point we agreed.

I also wanted to find out if they would be receptive to joining a landmark lawsuit, to put the claims made by these "insiders" to the test. While it's clear to many of us that Henry Deacon is warning to prepare for the calamitous effects of the poleshift, he's allowed to speak ominously of this 'event' precisely because he downplays the dreaded 'Planet X', which is a prerequisite of any that are allowed to follow in DB's footsteps and "talk". Even George Green may have done more of a public service in that the 'Destiny of his message' is to prepare, to learn to work together, etc.

I discussed the insidiousness of how sterilized and PC Dan B.'s message had to become as soon as he was "allowed" to follow his "orders" to "disclose". In his case, he was technically correct as to his experiences, and as to what he was told by the Chi'el'ah entity, but that he had been carefully cultivated to only carry the "peace n' love n' brotherhood" part of the message, which emasculated it. Regarding demanding of Congress a full investigation into the allegations, Kerry was even naive enough to suggest that she would have to "talk to Dan about it". Ouch! Like asking the fox guarding the henhouse if the rooster could perhaps advise the hens of the fox's true intentions?!? [bites tongue] Worse, in my point of view, she thought that because if all the people in Congress were "fools" or worse, we shouldn't even make the effort. Many would agree with her, which is why these things are so hard to get off the ground because most people become too "realistic" and therefore talk themselves out of the power they have to effect change. Or, in this case, the full panoply of what humans have learned from extraterrestrials since the 1940s.

The good news is that she told me about the new website she and Bill are preparing, for people to organize together to find "safe places" and prepare. Despite the same fawning naivete towards Dan B. that many members of this GT had in the early days, now exhibited by Bill and Kerry, they are at least conceding that no matter how many times we pray for "Unity!" there is still the plausibility of a near-ELE that we need to prepare for. Call it ZT Lite, without all that nasty political stuff that shows how evil and corrupt Dan's bosses are.

I explained that I've heard from a number of sources recently that confirm Dan B.'s "message" has been carefully shielded from real data that would certify the PTB's awareness of that thing "sitting out there next to the Sun" as one referred to it. I'm also saddened to learn that someone connected with keeping the extent of the Coverup from him (from Dan) may have been killed..... or had his memory wiped at minimum. I said that they (Congress) will not do this willingly if at all; the only mechanism that will even foster an environment of possibility is the escalation in earth changes that will require an answer of them whether they want to or not. And that is despite the fact we agreed (Kerry and I at least) on the fact that there have been several coups in our recent history, that our legislatures are only rubber-stamps for the real PTB, that our government is so compromised its laughable and useless, etc. But that still doesn't justify shoulder-shruggin'; if we try it and fail, it says a lot more than if we simply tell ourselves its useless.

So, along with an update on the danburisch.info site that acknowledges Dan has technically been sincere, his entire presentation has been geared to give a false impression that will have disasterous consequences. Meanwhile, he can assuage his guilt for being the guineau pig with photo-ops at soup kitchens (all very laudable, but all missing the point). Angels Disobey, like hell! Dan is as close as the cabal will come to admitting anything about ET; this is why he's the focal point for the frustration that he's not telling the more important aspects of Disclosure.

A reminder: technically, Dan B. and Majestic 12 violated the Constitution of the United States in acting in such a manner that they signed and therefore made legally binding such treaty instruments of the alleged "Tau 9 Treaty Conference for the Preservation of Humanity", whereas the Constitution admits the legality of treaties only after 2/3rds of the US senate has ratified said treaties. And we still do not know the terms of not only the Tau-9 but the OF-9.

Incidentally, Simmering Frog made an excellent point in his analysis of pessimism/faith/optimism. It was done right before the new volume started, so it's probably still on the index page as it's own thread, but I'll try to have it moved in here where it should be, shortly.
Yep.......she is brainwashed alright!!Glad you tried to set her staight

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Half a Million Fema Cremation Coffins CONFIRMED in Georgia, USA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDSNhoUnQrY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od29Ece8OsE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYp85QMJd1Q


And here is the official patents listing.

Multi-functional cremation container for a cadaver


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It's long yeah but I think it is worth reading it.

Source: http://www.projectcamelot.org/livermore ... ist_5.html

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Futuretalk III: Henry Deacon
15 July 2008
Michael St Clair, Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan in Frankfurt, Germany
Henry Deacon via Skype

Start of Skype conversation


Hope you all have your beans and tomatoes to take up on the hillside with you. :? One of the more interesting convos PC has had to date. I suppose most of us have heard most of this before in one form or another. What to do about it is the question.

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OFF TOPIC

But cool none the less.

A bit graphic though Nature in its raw form.

Who would win a fight to the death between a Leopard and Crock?


Leopard 1 Crock 0

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Well - it seems the path have been shown, and the sabre rattling is getting louder by the minute:

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5447

Senior Israeli official: If nuclear talks fail, Bush will order Iran attack between November and January

DEBKAfile Special Report

July 19, 2008, 9:00 PM (GMT+02:00)

This assessment was reported by Israeli national radio Saturday overnight quoting a high-placed “security-political” official.

The source predicted that President George W. Bush would order Iran attacked between the November 4 presidential election and his exit from the White House in January. The quote was aired shortly after the six-power talks with Iran in Geneva – with US official participation for the first time – failed, and just before Israel chief of staff Lt. Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi set out for Washington. He is to spend a week there as guest of Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

DEBKAfile’s political sources describe the disclosure as a step aimed at slowing down the collapse of Israel’s stated policy of relying on international diplomatic pressure to thwart Iran’s acquisition of nuclear arms. It is expected to raise a furious outcry from the powers spearheading the diplomatic effort and prompt extreme reactions from Tehran.

Our sources report that the unidentified Israeli “security-political” source sought to achieve three objectives:

1. Underlining the signal that the US military option had not been taken off the table after the state department spokesman said Iran must choose between cooperation with the international community and confrontation.

The official was also giving Israel’s answer to the latest evaluations making the rounds in Washington that the Israeli Air Force does not have enough warplanes to strike Iran’s nuclear sites without American military support.

2. A signal that the presence at the Geneva talks Saturday, July 19, of Under Secretary of State William Burns, far from being a concession, was an implicit ultimatum. Tehran was being told that no more than three months remained for it to suspend uranium enrichment before Bush made good on his pledge to resolve the issue before he left the White House. No member of the Bush administration is saying this directly, whether Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Robert Gates or the president himself. Israel will not doubt be rebuked for its disclosure.

3. As a high-risk step to derail the accommodations Washington and Tehran are on the way to reaching in their secret talks on a wide range of issues, with the exception of the nuclear controversy, as revealed by DEBKA-Net-Weekly and DEBKAfile. Israel fears being abandoned and left out in the cold on all its fronts against Iran by these accommodations.

Tehran may well seize on the Israeli disclosure as a pretext to ditch the nuclear negotiations on all levels, unless all six powers offer guarantees against their pursuit of military initiatives.


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By David A. Fahrenthold
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Saturday, July 19, 2008; A01

Someplace else, people might tell you that human life is priceless. In Washington, the federal government has appraised it like a '96 Camaro with bad brakes.

Last week, it was revealed that an Environmental Protection Agency office had lowered its official estimate of life's value, from about $8.04 million to about $7.22 million. That decision has put a spotlight on the concept of the "Value of a Statistical Life," in which the Washington bureaucracy takes on a question usually left to preachers and poets.

This value is routinely calculated by several agencies, each putting its own dollar figure on the worth of life -- not any particular person's life, just that of a generic American. The figure is then used to judge whether potentially lifesaving policy measures are really worth the cost.

A human life, based on an economic analysis grounded in observations of everyday Americans, typically turns out to be worth $5 million to $8 million -- about as much as a mega-mansion or a middle infielder.

Now, for the first time, the EPA has used this little-known process to devalue life, something that environmentalists say could set a scary precedent, making it seem that lifesaving pollution reductions are not worth the cost.

"By reducing the value of human life, which is really a devious way of cooking the books, the perceived benefits of cleaning up the air seem less," said Frank O'Donnell of the District-based group Clean Air Watch. "That has the effect of weakening the case for pollution cleanup."

To grasp the mind-bending concept of a Blue Book value on life, government officials say it is important to remember that they are not thinking about anyone specifi c. That happens in lawsuits, when plaintiffs seek to be compensated for a life lost -- and there, it can involve personal factors such as the deceased's lost income.

Here, officials say, they are trying instead to come up with the value of a typical life, without any personal information attached.

They might know, for instance, that a new cut in air pollution will save 50 lives a year -- though they don't know who those people might be. Still they want to decide whether saving them is worth the cost, officials say, and it helps to assign a dollar value to each life saved.

An example of this kind of analysis was used by the federal Consumer Product Safety Commission this year:

A proposal to make mattresses less flammable was expected to cost the industry $343 million to implement. But, a spokeswoman said, the move was also expected to save 270 people. The commission calculated that each life was worth $5 million, which meant a benefit of about $1.3 billion.

That was greater than the expense, she said, so the move made sense.

"It is, sometimes, a weird idea" to weigh lives against other costs, acknowledged Jack Wells, chief economist for the U.S. Department of Transportation. "But, if you think about it, people behave that way all the time. . . . We could eliminate a lot of the [highway] fatalities by imposing a 10-mile-per-hour speed limit." But, he said, society implicitly tolerates greater highway deaths in return for the economic benefits of faster travel.

But how do you put a dollar value on a life, even in a generic sense?

It wouldn't work for researchers to survey Americans at gunpoint and ask how much they would pay not to die. Instead, an unlikely academic field has grown up to extrapolate life's value from the everyday decisions of average Americans.

Researchers try to figure out how much money it takes for people to accept slightly bigger risks, such as a more dangerous job. They also look at how much people will pay to make their daily risks smaller -- such as buying a bike helmet or a safer car.

"How much are you willing to pay for a small reduction . . . in the probability that you will die?" asked Joe Aldy, a fellow at the D.C.-based think tank Resources for the Future.

The rest is more or less multiplication: If someone will accept a 1-in-10,000 chance of death for $500, then the value of life must be 10,000 times $500, or $5 million.

But it is one thing to calculate the numbers and another to explain them to the public. The EPA has been fighting that battle since last week, when the Associated Press revealed that the agency's air office had reduced its Value of a Statistical Life.

Al McGartland, the director of the agency's National Center for Environmental Economics, said the air office had revised the old figure in 2004 after new academic research showed it was skewed too high.

"It's based on better methods," McGartland said of the air office's assessment. He said the new number would increase over time, in part because of inflation.

The EPA's value for life remains one of the highest. Earlier this year, the Department of Transportation raised its value -- but even after the increase, it stood at $5.8 million, more than a million dollars less than the EPA's.

Still, environmental activists said the decision made it more likely that the EPA's regulations would allow greater air pollution, because deaths triggered by the pollution would seem to count for less. Experts say serious air pollution can make heart and lung conditions worse, sometimes resulting in death.

One of the researchers whom the EPA cited said he was puzzled at the agency's calculations on the value of a human life.

"Nobody's ever lowered it," said W. Kip Viscusi of Vanderbilt University. EPA came closest: In 2003, it tried to count senior citizens' lives as worth less than those of other adults. After a loud outcry from seniors, the agency backed off.

Viscusi said most researchers believe the value should generally be going up, as Americans have become wealthier and more willing to spend money to avoid risks.

"I personally wasn't in favor of lowering the value of life, let's put it that way," he said.

Lowering the value of life. In some bureaucratic corners of Washington, it is the kind of phrase that nobody blinks at anymore.

But it still can sound odd to those accustomed to thinking of life's worth in other ways.

Daniel Zemel, rabbi at Temple Micah on Wisconsin Avenue NW, said Wednesday that the idea of a dollar value on life brings to mind the teaching that "you put one human life on the scale, and you put the rest of the world on the scale, the scale is balanced equally."

Zemel said h e could understand officials' logic for making decisions this way. But he said he would counsel anybody whose job involved "Statistical Lives" to think about what they really represent.

"Numbers on a piece of paper are, at the end of the day, somewhere out there," Zemel said, "real people whose lives are being impacted."


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This is priceless!

very short clip

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/MSNBC-McCain-Joker.mov


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According to this report, the MSM is doing a great job, keeping people ignorant.


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... hould_help


If Israel Attacks Iran, 42% Say U.S. Should Help
Sunday, July 20, 2008


Forty-two percent (42%) of Americans say that if Israel launches an attack against Iran, the United States should help Israel. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 46% believe the United States should do nothing while just 1% believe the U.S. should help Iran.

A separate survey released last week showed that 78% of Americans believe it’s likely that Iran will soon develop nuclear weapons. Only 43% believe it’s possible for the U.S. to prevent that development.

Most Republicans say the U.S. should help Israel while most Democrats and unaffiliated voters say the U.S. should do nothing.

Fifty-two percent (52%) of all voters say that preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons is more important than preventing war between Iran and Israel. Republicans overwhelmingly hold this view while Democrats are evenly divided. Among unaffiliated voters, 50% say that stopping Iran’s nuclear program is more important while 29% say

Just 8% believe the Iranian government’s claim that its nuclear enrichment program is to generate energy, not weapons. A Rasmussen Reports survey last month found 45% of likely voters agreed with Obama that it was a good idea for the U.S. president to meet with the leader of Iran, but 59% said the meeting should not take place until Iran stops developing nuclear weapons.

Iran boasted recently that it had launched several new missiles, including one capable of striking Israel, but the video of the purported launchings was later proven to be a fake. A Rasmussen Reports survey following the so-called missile launchings found that 71% of voters viewed Iran as a serious threat to the United States and 46% felt American should intervene militarily if Iran attacked Israel.

Forty-seven percent (47%) of voters believe it is at least somewhat likely Iran will try to provoke some form of attack before November in an attempt to influence the U.S. elections.

Thirty-three percent (33%) believe it is at least somewhat likely that the U.S. will attack Iran before the elections. That figure includes 11% who say a U.S. attack is very likely.



The report is of course questionable, but just affirms in what direction, we are taken. With such public "support", a military intervention would be "justified", so brace yourself for further indoctrination, to align / adjust the public opinion with ........

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Just goes to show how naive the public is, Angeldust. Sad but true. Republicans knee-jerk when it comes to war, when it comes to "supporting Israel, right or wrong". And sadly the Dems are becoming just a 'kinder, gentler' version.

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This is from an email I received recently, and my comments; wonder what will happen now that SNEDs has promised not to read here? :lol:

Can you get these questions to Dan. If he needs references, Bill Hamilton knows me pretty well, and the book I have written. Thanks. I intend to use this information in working with Colorado contactees, and the Denver initiative to establish an ET commission.

Please describe the personality and presence of each race: personality, the look on their faces, posture, attitude towards man and ESPECIALLY THEIR ATTITDUES TOWARD'S each other. This is important. How did they speak? What is their style of speaking? (slang, formal, etc. Do they laugh, giggle, etc. How do they walk? Stands, move? Examples appreciated. Mostly, what do their faces look like, and their expressions, personality, general attitudes, postures, skin color, clothing, shoes, belts, other coverings. So, I am looking for physical description, and description of their personalities their overall Presence and their relationship. How do they make you FEEL?

Good questions, all of which we've asked before. Perhaps Dan will be more forthcoming and answer them more specifically. They communicate telepathically, so "slang, formal, laugh, giggle" are moot in that context, though Dan has indicated there is variation in mood and emotion. Dan also felt the 'pain' of Chi'el'ah. Coloration? I seem to recall him saying Chi'el'ah was less gray than beige. I'll check the archives or someone on-thread may recall.

Relationships: how did the grays, giants and human treat each other.
Pecking order, submission, dominance, etc. Who ran the negotiations?
Level of respect, admiration, denigration, etc. How do you describe the relationship between Grays and Nordics…? What did you see during the treaty negotiations that illustrates their relationship?


They were kept hidden behind "screens" at the alleged signing of the Tau 9, so that humans wouldn't see them and have heart attacks or palpable revulsion. If Dan can elaborate more on whether the Grays were subordinate to the Nordics, which would fit an existing school of thought, I would've hoped he would have said it already. It's not like it wasn't asked, but the archives are so huge that it's more economical to start anew than dig through the existing library. He also might have been holding out on us so he could get better press from those that don't question him.

Terms of the treaty. What zones or territories are involved, what time periods and what general terms can you release? You mention number and types of abductions But can you mention other terms? Any references back to 2000, Feb 7. Or that time period.

As if this hasn't been asked time and again! Dan has said he can't share the terms of the treaty. Perhaps he says one thing in private and another in public, but the only map I was shown during my next-to-last meeting was allegedly that from 2014, "post-Event". I have the calculations of casualties, continent-by-continent, but he wouldn't admit to anything in terms of what countries were included in the Tau-IX other than to say it was with the "current human authorities", which included the reps of the UN.


History: What were the terms of the previous treaty? Did the grays lose position and power in 1980? We were told in 1980 that because of Brian Scott's success that the grays would be 'restrained' for 22 years. That was in March of 1980. Later, I heard that some grays had been sent off the planet and others restrained. Apparently, fewer abductions took place for the next two decades. What can you say about the treaty created after Feb 8, 1980. Would it have been T 8? Terms?

There was neither an OF-9 Treaty nor a Tau-9 Treaty conference in 1980. The treaties were both always known by the "9" appellation, as they were renewed every nine years. One began with the signing in 1955, one in 1958. Extrapolate from there for the treaty years, with the exception of the 2003, which was, ahem, "postponed" for two years. Or one, depending on which source is being used. The abduction clause was a farce, because the abductee had to agree and in fact volunteer for the hybrid program, which when it ended (i.e. the zetans had created enough) anyway was simply used as a "card" in the negotiations, when the outcome was never in doubt. From their viewpoint, that is; obviously the impact and effect it had vis-a-vis Dan and the 12 was infinitely worth playing it the way they did.

Dan has unequivocally stated he won't disclose any other terms of the treaty, though that promise may just come in for a sudden 'breakage' shortly. Perhaps these questions might demand it.


Thanks for writing; I'll post these on-thread shortly and let you know if we have a response.

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No joke this from a Major Neo-Con Think Tank.

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Think Tank Calls For Bush to Be Dictator For Life
Published on 21-07-2008

Source: Rogue Government - Lee Rogers

http://blacklistednews.com/?news_id=669

Family Security Matters a neo-conservative based think tank has published an article advocating that George W. Bush should be a dictator for life. The organization has since taken the article down, but is still viewable via this cached link.

Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy: By Philip Atkinson

The article written by Philip Atkinson states that Bush would fail his country by becoming an ex-President or can achieve greatness by becoming President-for-Life Bush in order to bring sense to Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Atkinson is bluntly advocating that Bush should become dictator for life with these outrageously anti-American statements.

From the article:

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.

Atkinson also advocates that Bush should get rid of everyone in Iraq through military force and repopulate the country with Americans.

From the article:

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

Although these statements by Atkinson are completely insane and entirely anti-American, the author also shows complete ignorance as to the type of government the United States is supposed to be. The author states that Bush is a victim of Democracy when in fact the United States is not a Democracy.

From the article:

Yet in 2007 he is generally despised, with many citizens of Western civilization expressing contempt for his person and his policies, sentiments which now abound on the Internet. This rage at President Bush is an inevitable result of the system of government demanded by the people, which is Democracy.

The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise. This means that any man chosen to act as an agent of the people is placed in an invidious position: if he commits folly because it is popular, then he will be held responsible for the inevitable result. If he refuses to commit folly, then he will be detested by most citizens because he is frustrating their demands.

Although I do agree that Democracy is a horrible form of government, Atkinson's argument holds no water since we do not have a Democracy in this country. The United States is in fact a Constitutional Republic, so it is not possible for Bush to be a victim of Democracy.

Unfortunately, Atkinson might get his wish of a Bush dictatorship. The HSPD-20/NSPD-51 directives issued by Bush states that the President is to have complete control over all three branches of government during a catastrophic emergency. In addition, the Department of Homeland Security plans for continuity of government operations have been kept secret from Congress.

Either way, Atkinson the author of this article is clearly an insane individual who hates America. From advocating the colonization of Iraq with Americans as well as a Bush dictatorship, it is clear this individual needs some serious help. It also leaves questions as to the judgment of this Family Security Matters organization considering they openly published this anti-American trash. An investigation by Free Market News Network, found that Family Security Matters is actually a front group for the Center for Security Policy a group that Vice President Dick Cheney is a known associate of. Removing the article was clearly a means of damage control and it shows how rabid and insane the neo-conservative base has become. This article shows that today's neo-conservative is nothing more than the 21st century equivalent of a Nazi in pre World War II Germany.


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For those that remember the controversy over Dan's family tree; while going through the archives, I found this, which I believe was posted by IMNVSBL (allegedly Gus Weiss, advisor to 7 US presidents and apparently someone allied with the 'Illuminati'). This, I believe, is the "official" view held by SNEDs. What UJ found corresponded to this IN PART; the part that indicates Michelle ("Punkin") was the daughter of Sandra, mistress to Dan's uncle James, just as this "tree" shows. That same Michelle, born to Sandra, is alive to this day. Of course, the Catholic nuns may have forged her birth certificate to show the birthdate 45 days after Dan's birthdate, and then lied about a lot of things (which is very possible, knowing how Catholic nuns lie - NOT USUALLY), but the woman is nonetheless alive that fits all the rest of the 'timeline'.

Which leads us to the question of: WHO and WHY would such a false story be given to Dan? To set him against his parents, the better to be susceptible to the blandishments of Dadmiral and Big Dick?

The way the story goes is a young Greek lady named Margaret Dunbaugh became pregant with twins by the married Greek man James A. Catselas, the brother of John Crain. John had changed his name to have himself allowed to marry Doreen Crain (then LaPierre), when he was under age as his mother Pearl required that he do so to match her new married name (Crain; from David Crain, related to Jean Crain of Roswell fame), was Catselas by James Catselas´ and John Crain´s grandfather, James Athanaceus Catselas.

Doreen was nearing term by John Crain, with another child, taken under emergency C-section and did not survive. At the same time, a deathly ill Margaret was in the same hospital (St. Francis in Lynwood). She was kept alive on respirator and ready to die. She carried two children, Danny B and his sister (called Boo Boo and Punkin before birth by their true mother, Margaret). The child of Doreen didn´t survive and Danny was switched into Doreen and John´s care by the Catholic nuns (with John´s knowledge) by the approval of James (Danny´s true father, now deceased). Margaret´s daughter was given to James´ then wife, Sandra, and she was given the story of a orphaned child. She wanted a daughter, so it worked well.

In 1995 Danny changed his name to Burisch, because that was the Father´s and Majestic person´s name, Harry Burisch, the Father of Deborah Kay Burisch. Huffman was the maiden name of Deborah´s mother, Doris, who was distantly related to James Huffman (a Majestic Courier) and Rev. Huffman (of Missouri crash fame).

McDowell´s Father was a courier between the American and Canadian Majestic "sects" and was best friends with James Huffman.

Danny´s relationship to J goes back to a mixture of his and J´s son that occurred in 1973 aboard a space craft that was performing abductions and tests concerning the J-Rod illnesses.


Later, the following 'drop' was made by a Raven (the forerunners of the SNEDs thugs; there were good 'ravens' and also jingoistic thugs back then too):

I think I can answer these:

>>You stated that you protect Dan now for six long years - 1998-2004 -now read this message from BJ Wolf:.............
What does protection mean ??? I get the impression that you do not protect him but are only following orders, to ensure that
Dr. Burisch is continuing his work.


Protection means keeping him from harm. I place no other agenda on that. I have a job to do and I do it. I failed in March, 2003 because of operational issues that pulled me off my duties. I will not fail again.

>>What do you mean by Greek ?? The name Margaret Dunbaugh does not sound as if her family came from Greece.

At the time, Margaret was also married. Her maiden name was Margaret Catalantha Stasnopolis. Good luck finding any info on her.

>>I would like to know since when Dr. Burisch has contact to the Cherubim as there was an apparent attack march 2003

The contact with the angel started before March, 2003.

>>Do you have any information about Dans twinsister ??

She´s dead, buried in Sacramento, California under an assumed name.

>>Dans biological father died at the age of 49. Do you know the cause of his death ??

Heart attack.

>>When was Dr. Burisch in Africa ??

That reference has nothing to do with Africa. Shortly before that reference was made, we went to war in that Af country.

>>He also mentioned a little known tomb in Egypt where he seemed to feel that a similar series of symbols (matching up somehow to the ones he located on Mars) were found.....

It would be Osirion, Abydos from my reading about him.

>>I really hope the Dr. is playing The Chameleon here, because I DO resent remarks like this one..

>>"...serve my country with the greatest effort and efficiency. I deeply hope that my latest assignment, in Af, has served the interests of the United States of America. <<


This is totally my reaction here, and doesn´t represent the doctor´s opinion in any way:

Resent what you want sir, we in my country are at war. We will preserve our country. No ifs, ands or buts.


Michelle Catselas, born February 1, 1964 at 23:49 hours. Birthdate amended to March 22, 1964. Died, 1969. Will provide no further as I will not give you enough to actually find her. I respect the doctor too much and this is the one place I suggest you just not go there. It is so personally emotionally agonizing to him, I just suggest not to go there.

You have 30 minutes to retrieve this scanned image from one of the doctor´s personal photos. It shows him and his sister. After the 30 minutes I am deleting it.

Yahoo! Briefcase name: postmanscoper
Password: freida
filename: sibs.jpg


"Af" apparently meant Afghanistan. And Michelle did NOT die in 1969, though her birth certificate does show the "amended" date. She's still alive today, despite what Majestic has told Dan.

This was a serious psy-op. On Dan, much less the rest of us.

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You Gotta Love Racist White New York Liberals
Posted: 19 Jul 2008 02:45 PM CDT
July 17, 2008
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By Tim Wise

...Yeah, I said it, and I meant it too. The New Yorker staffers and editors who thought it was acceptable to run the cover of Barack-and-Michelle-Obama-as-Muslim-and/or-black-nationalist-militants are racists. And assholes.

Their liberalism does not acquit them. The fact that most of them will probably vote for Obama in November doesn't acquit them. The fact that they think themselves hip and urbane, and oh-so-pithy and oh-so-ironic, and oh-so satirical doesn't make a bit of difference. What they have done, irrespective of their intent, is to further the right-wing white racial frame that has been placed on the Obama candidacy from the outset. By trafficking in stereotypes, presumably to poke fun at them, the New Yorker has reinforced imagery that is guaranteed to push certain buttons with many voters, and not "irony buttons" (I mean most Americans can't even define the term, which is why folks thought that Alanis Morrissette song was so good, even though every example of irony she mentioned wasn't an example of irony at all), but bigotry ones. Intent does not matter with this kind of thing: impact is what counts, and the impact will be to reinforce white fears about the Obamas. White folks don't tend to appreciate irony when the joke is on us, you see.

But for those who choose to defend the New Yorker on this cartoon, (and who think it's legit satire, because it "obviously" pokes fun at the whole right-wing "Obama is a muslim" conspiracy B.S….), here's why no such defense is possible....

Let's think about some other examples of satire, which, theoretically, the New Yorker could have turned into covers, where they could have poked fun at stupid conspiracy thinking and obviously absurd bigotry...

Can anyone on here imagine the New Yorker, or any other mainstream outlet doing a "satire" where they poke fun at the asinine conspiracy theories about Jews and 9/11 (like "4000 Jews stayed home from work that day because they got tipped off by the Mossad")? Can you ima gine them satirizing the loons who say that shit by doing a cover with a bunch of rabbis, calling each other on the phone reminding other "members of the tribe" (as we occasionally call ourselves, for those who don't know) to stay home? Or perhaps a rabbi pushing down on a TNT charge, and bringing the WTC down? Of course not. They would never do this, and with good reason.

Likewise, whack jobs have been spinning conspiracy yarns for centuries about Jews baking matzo using the blood of gentiles, etc., but never would any media outlet think it was ok to make fun of such stupidity by showing Jewish men in kippahs snacking on flatbread made from the plasma of someone named Mikey O'Malley (for lack of a more authentic gentile name).

They would never 'satirize' Holocaust denial, for example, by showing a cover with Jewish prisoners at Auschwitz, playing cards, or shuffleboard, as a way to show the absurdity and venality of those who claim there was no mass murder of Jews and that Auschwitz was "actually a pretty nice place, with an orchestra, for entertainment," (a claim David Duke made several years ago, for example).

Even if it were an election season, and a Jewish candidate were in the race (as was the case for Lieberman as VP in 2000), there is simply no way that the New Yorker would have done a cover with Lieberman playing the role of a puppeteer, and say, pulling the strings of an Al Gore marionette, with, let's say, an Israeli flag flapping in the background, as a way to satirize the buffoons who said things about how Joe L. was just a Zionist Manchurian candidate, brainwashed in shul to "destroy all goyim," as one Nazi froot loop swore to me was true eight years ago.

Bottom line: hip white liberals don't take chances at offending Jewish folks the way we will black folks or Muslims. And the reasons are simple:

1. Jews are a dangerous target to offend because we have more economic clout than folks of color and can punish anti-Semitic acts in ways that folks of color often can't when the acts are racist, and,

2. Jewish suffering and pain is taken more seriously than the pain and suffering of other groups, and garners more sympathy, in large measure because it is the suffering of a people who are now thought of as white (wasn't always the case but it is now by most folks). This is why no one ever worries that Holocaust Studies programs that focus on the Shoah (and it alone) will encourage Jews to develop a "victim mentality," or cause us to "shirk personal responsibility for our community," while Af-Am studies or Ethnic Studies programs that discuss the oppression of folks of color, and their struggles to overcome that oppression and define themselves in history, are met with constant cries of "PC" and concern that indeed, folks of color are being encouraged to think of themselves as permanent victims in such classes. Jewish pain counts, it seems, while black and brown pain does not. Jewish pain can be blamed on others (nasty Germans, for example), while black and brown pain is very much our shame in the U.S….so we can't face it, or care the same way, or worry about offending folks of color, while we would never think of risking such offense with Jewish folks, for the most part.

Those of us who are Jewish should speak up and demand that the same standard of care be taken with other groups as is taken with us. What would be unacceptable when done to us, must be unacceptable when done to others.

And those of us who are Southern should probably use examples like this to point out that Northern racism, while perhaps more veiled and "hip" than that which comes from our part of the country, isn't any more acceptable for it.


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They most certianly would lie to make a illegitimate girl legitmacy back then. After all her imortal soul was as stake.

There are those that say the Pope and Arch Bishops run the Church, others say its Jesusits or Black Pope.

They are all wrong. The real power that runs the Roman Catholic Church resides in the hands of these Mysterious Ladies under their black Robes.

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The Carmelite Sisterhood.

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Their one and only task Officially to pray for the souls of every human being on the face of the earth. That they may not suffer Gods terrible judgement come judgment day. They pray 24/7 365 in round a clock shifts.

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But they do leave the convents and run the typical Schools, Hospital, Communitty Out Reach. Which they run with a Iron Nun fist hehehehe. An they send terror into the hearts of the local Parish Priest when they come to visit.

I swear this is true I once visited a local Carmelite Convent to deliever and pick up items for our local Church. I got lost in the hall ways of the convent, I saw two of these Sisters FLOAT FLOAT down the cross hallway with their robes wisping along the ground. LOL

When they would come by the local Church that week Father Patrick ( I was Eldest Alter Boy Then to Father Patrick) would triple tap the Communion Wine in the Chalice and beg us alter boys to make sure the Church and school is spotless for inspection. Even our local School Sisterhood (The Sisters of Providence) would step aside as Carmelite Representive inspected the School.. lol it was surreal like something out of Star Wars itself with Darth Vader coming down the gangplank..LOL

Again these women are intrusted with immortal souls of the faithful.

So if Micheal (a good Catholic Name btw) was born out of wed lock you can be sure the good Sisters fudged with the paperwork to erase that sigmata. An then they would have Spiritual Skinned biological parents alive.


Shady, Former Catholic


Ps I kid you not seen with my own two peepers. They float in the Convents! lol




Dondep wrote:
For those that remember the controversy over Dan's family tree; while going through the archives, I found this, which I believe was posted by IMNVSBL (allegedly Gus Weiss, advisor to 7 US presidents and apparently someone allied with the 'Illuminati'). This, I believe, is the "official" view held by SNEDs. What UJ found corresponded to this IN PART; the part that indicates Michelle ("Punkin") was the daughter of Sandra, mistress to Dan's uncle James, just as this "tree" shows. That same Michelle, born to Sandra, is alive to this day. Of course, the Catholic nuns may have forged her birth certificate to show the birthdate 45 days after Dan's birthdate, and then lied about a lot of things (which is very possible, knowing how Catholic nuns lie - NOT USUALLY), but the woman is nonetheless alive that fits all the rest of the 'timeline'.



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Dondep wrote:
>>Do you have any information about Dans twinsister ??

She´s dead, buried in Sacramento, California under an assumed name.

>>Dans biological father died at the age of 49. Do you know the cause of his death ??

Heart attack.

>>When was Dr. Burisch in Africa ??

That reference has nothing to do with Africa. Shortly before that reference was made, we went to war in that Af country.

>>He also mentioned a little known tomb in Egypt where he seemed to feel that a similar series of symbols (matching up somehow to the ones he located on Mars) were found.....

It would be Osirion, Abydos from my reading about him.

>>I really hope the Dr. is playing The Chameleon here, because I DO resent remarks like this one..

>>"...serve my country with the greatest effort and efficiency. I deeply hope that my latest assignment, in Af, has served the interests of the United States of America. <<


This is totally my reaction here, and doesn´t represent the doctor´s opinion in any way:

Resent what you want sir, we in my country are at war. We will preserve our country. No ifs, ands or buts.


Michelle Catselas, born February 1, 1964 at 23:49 hours. Birthdate amended to March 22, 1964. Died, 1969. Will provide no further as I will not give you enough to actually find her. I respect the doctor too much and this is the one place I suggest you just not go there. It is so personally emotionally agonizing to him, I just suggest not to go there.

You have 30 minutes to retrieve this scanned image from one of the doctor´s personal photos. It shows him and his sister. After the 30 minutes I am deleting it.

Yahoo! Briefcase name: postmanscoper
Password: freida
filename: sibs.jpg


"Af" apparently meant Afghanistan. And Michelle did NOT die in 1969, though her birth certificate does show the "amended" date. She's still alive today, despite what Majestic has told Dan.

This was a serious psy-op. On Dan, much less the rest of us.



I say it was most likely a psy-op BY DAN and Marci becasue they are losing it totally and do not see the consequences of their actions.

If there is any doubt - someone just e-mailed me a copy of their new copyright mark... no one -- no professional person would be caught dead putting a butt-ugly thing like that on any of their material.

I have no idea as to what exactly they are trying to copyright but they surely realize that if they were not the photographers of an image they cannot copyright it -- nor can they copyright an image with them and another person without a legal document - model release stating exactly the approved usages of said image by all the others represented in said photo... if they just wanted to post that sort of image it would be a different matter -- but to attempt to copyright it would in fact be illegal.

THEY ARE THE PSY-OP -- to discredit THEMSELVES by setting themselves up as buffoons and to "color" and "taint" anything that has anything remotely to do with them or the UFO/conspiracy Genre.


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So Debra Burisch before you disappear back into the woodwork. Hows about answering some questions. ;) Of course you won’t but I’ll ask anyway.

What exactly were the details behind your cocaine bust and ultimately brought you in front of Parole Off icier Dan Crain?

I mean what were you dealing coke as part CIA or other Intelligence Agency Front Fundng Op?

What does Debra Burisch mother tell her two daughters about drugs? “Mommy sold cocaine for Majestic, hooked countless of other peoples sons and daughters and beat them up when they didn’t fork over the cash. But don’t worry it was all apart of the job and Mommy is really a good person.”

You were a supposed Majestic Operative at the time you were dealing. Oh I forgot officially you weren’t dealing but simply holding the cocaine for another. *cough sure*.. You were an op so what the hell happened why did you get busted by L.V.P.D and end up in the slammer until you met Boo Boo.

Oh I get it now Majestic purposely put you in the slammer so that you would just happen to met Boo Boo and you seduce the pants off him and into his heart.

Lets see Brent’s a meth addict (apart of the Eagles Team) Debra is former cocaine drug mall that carries fire arms. (Which btw is a Federal Offence Since Drug Possession and distribution is FEDERAL OFFENSE your not allowed legally to posses a fire arm. Of course Burisch should of told you that.. LOL) Crain is discharged Parole Officer for carrying on with client, my what wonderful moral up bringing the Burisch children must of received. Why even supposedly one of Debra’s daughters wittiness Dan Burisch’s beating at hand of a Majestic Operative.

Makes one wonder about Owl Mongrel and the rest. Supposedly the Burisch residence is laced with cams and microphones. Covering ALL area’s except the bathroom so reported in the past. Gee I wonder what Owl and Mongrel might be doing in that darkened room with the cams on Burisch’s children. God only knows who else too is watching. After all this is Majestic and Illuminati we are talking about the sickest bastards of humanity.

So Debra what advice would you give the Real Mothers out there reading about how to keep their children away from Drugs? What? What’s that Prayers and Positive thinking??

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Majestic Twelve Mother Of The Year.



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