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It is my firm belief that changing our perspective allows us to see a new and different reality. One that is not limited by parochial minds who are limited by "What they know because dogmas have told them so". So let us go past all of that and let us suppose we can change our references. Not travel through time as much as around time. I believe that changing ones reference may be much easier than we are led to believe..



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Objective mode of perception and subjective mode of perception of reality. Thoughts reside in the objective mode of perception of reality because they can be at the very same moment - simultaneously and synchronously - in many different places and times. The moment we shift our thinking to self-feeling and self-perception we find ourselves in the mode of sequence, linearity, preceding and succeeding, which is the the subjective mode of perception.

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I won't deny that orbs exist---they're compelling, but one thing you have to watch out for is false ones. I was camping and it was misty-raining at night. The photos I took showed that every little drop on my lens created orb-likes. So, at any event, if you open a carbonated drink and it sprays out near your lens, you may think you photo'd orbs, afterward.


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phatman, from a book I'm writing:

Aliens both see, and think, in terms of a new kind of physics. After the Roswell crash it was a mystery,
but human scientists had clues and good evidence to go on. Within a few years, they determined that aliens folded gravity around their craft to make faster-than-light, nearly instant jumps across vast distances. Col. Corso said military researchers concluded that when alien craft flew “it was as if gravity was being folded around the outside so that the wave enveloped the craft.”88 (p. 101, The Day After Roswell) In other words, a gravity-like energy folded inward, while, at the same time, the craft rode a kind of wave outward.

Alien ship and tech-assisted mind communications also went faster-than-light. It was amazing because it allowed them to communicate more, in finer graphic detail, than humans did. Our problem was that we assumed that those faster-than-light jumps went straight from point A to point B, like light did.

Meanwhile, if aliens fold gravity, it points to how alien physics actually work. Rather than use huge, seemingly impossible amounts of energy to rip across space faster-than-light, aliens discovered that gravity is a kind of resonance shared between all atomic nuclei (and black holes). Maybe you’re wondering: what is “resonance?” When an opera singer varies her voice so that it causes waves to form in glass then increases their intensity, it can shatter the glass. That’s resonance. When a dog walks on a bridge, the rhythm causes up and down waves on the bridge that go back and forth then build up, or amplify, and can even break the bridge, believe it or not. That’s resonance. Remember the science class when your teacher took two tuning forks then banged one on the table and it caused the other one to vibrate? It was resonance.

Ever been to one of those science museums that have two big concrete dishes facing each other on opposite sides of a big room? When you stand in front of one dish and talk softly it resonates, focally, with the other dish---and someone standing way over there can hear you.

Aliens found that gravity isn’t a “force” that travels from point A to point B, like light does. Instead, it’s an effect, a deeper underlying resonance that can be artificially created by first converging light waves from opposite directions (along each of three different axes) so that they cancel out, then by pulse-amplifying the light’s intensity so that it resonates (or cycles) down into and through atomic nuclei while, at the same time, it resonates far out and around into space.89 When those light waves converge and cancel out, the energy isn’t gone. Instead, it’s called a “standing wave” and it’s looking for an outlet, which is why it can be pulse-amplified to resonate down into, and through atomic nuclei (and beyond). *It is pulled by, and resonates with, the faster-than-light expansion of hyperspace.

It essentially slows or freezes time and motion in the place where it’s focused (in this case atom nuclei), while resonating far outwardly, faster-than-light. So, rather than collide with, and agitate atomic particles, it's a cold, canceled out waveform, a “standing wave” that cycles inwardly. That cold, frozen quality acts something like a superconductor (of time and energy), which allows it to resonate both inwardly and out across hyperspace. Remember, the energy is looking for a place to go, so it cycles down into, and through nuclei via a kind of half-state (not full wavelengths) in which black holes and extreme energy fluctuations are strangely smeared out and non-local. As scientist Tom Bearden notes, artificial gravity has a kind of inverse, or reciprocal relationship with light waves. It’s like an inverted, fractional event horizon—merely a fraction of the larger hyperspace that it cycles into. **Artificial gravity can be produced in other ways, also.

So, according to alien science, gravity doesn’t do a straight light-speed jump from point A to point B.
Instead, it folds or inverts empty space so that it can take shortcuts to other, distant places. Aliens learned how to amplify the gravity resonance in atomic nuclei so that it ebbs out, then they focus it far away in order to take those shortcuts. It isn’t slow like waves in a bathtub; it’s a fast, inverted folding, of a sort.

It was a fantastic discovery. If you think about it, a strange shortcut through space makes perfect sense.
In Einstein’s day, scientists tried to crash dense atomic nuclei together in order to rip energy straight out
of them. It was all seen as shooting outward explosively (a very crude model). What Einstein and his contemporaries didn’t know was that energy waves could be more deftly converged and timed to
pulse-amplify down into atomic nuclei in a way that also resonated far outward, so suddenly, that they couldn’t have measured it. It happened on a larger scale and in a slightly more elastic kind of time than Einstein thought possible.

Rather than happening in just one spot, gravity fluctuations spread out and cycle into many places---they resonate into a greater, deeper realm. By simply pulsing and amplifying that hyper-fast resonance, then focusing it on a distant place, alien ships can ride in it, much like a wave. *Like Corso said, alien ships are folded inside of that wave.

Now here’s the weird part of it. When an alien ship suddenly accelerates up to and beyond light speed,
its mass fluctuates and literally disappears for a moment. It becomes a kind of waveform, rather than an object thing, of sorts. And when a ship’s mass disappears, it can be quickly moved across great distances with relatively little energy. Why? Because, for a moment it doesn’t weigh anything.90 On long trips, mass is suspended at intervals, hence at those intervals aliens see their bodies fade visibly. Nonetheless, they sustain artificial, onboard gravity and don’t float up in the air.

Here’s an even weirder aspect. When an alien ship exceeds light speed, its atomic particles bend and do a half-flip (a kind of inversion, actually). They reverse polarity and down is nearly up---but not quite. Physicists say that when a photon exceeds light speed it suddenly splits off into anti-photons that bend out and flow backward in time. Again, they essentially flip and bend back, or resonate with a deeper kind of energy. They trace a kind of loop that occupies a volume of time, rather than a line in time, and such loops have the weird ability to resonate, nearly instantly, down into and across great distances. They resonate down into a deeper kind of gravity that exists in the universe, a kind of half-state in which black holes and bizarre energy fluctuations exist but are, in some strange way, smeared out in time, rather than sitting still.

So, time, itself, is very elastic. It can nearly be frozen (in a spot where that artificial gravity is focused), while time in the surrounding space runs slightly faster than normal. Ultimately, if we step back and look at the broader outlines of alien science, it suggests that our definition of atoms and their mass is partly wrong. The new physics show that mass (weight/density) can be suspended, essentially converted into, or across, a fast change of time.91 Bearden’s delta t. Atomic mass appears to be a semi-frozen artifact of a negative or inwardly-resonating cycle(s) of the larger universe.

I hope I’m not confusing the reader. It helps to remember that even the old, 20th century version of quantum physics (the study of atoms, tiny sub-atomic particles and energy) was, in many ways, weirder than science fiction. A leading physicist, Neils Bohr, once listened to another physicist present a new theory. Knowing how strange quantum physics was, Bohr told his colleague “We all agreed that your theory is crazy…. My own feeling is that it’s not crazy enough.”

Does all this science talk lose you? If so, don’t worry…

Here’s another, more visual way to see it all. Alien physics involve a new kind of relationship in which tiny fluctuations way down inside atoms’ nuclei nearly instantly resonate out into a vast, essentially orb-like space on a larger, cosmic scale. So, big connects to small. The big universe resonates in us all.

In faster-than-light travel, alien craft both ride and are pulled by a tightly bunched up gradient of gravitic fluctuations in deep space, a kind of dark energy that alien ships condense and half-flip/rotate into (a kind of inversion), while also expanding with an outward focus in order to travel. Those gravitic fluctuations occur across very long, orb-like spaces of tightly stretched half-waves, so if you ride in that wave you can go a great distance—in a snap. Again, those gravitic waves aren’t simply waves on a flat surface; they cycle into and resonate all across that orb-like hump, or expanse of the wave.

How and why do they do that? It’s very simple: the universe is constantly cycling inwardly into a tighter, deeper realm (in black holes, when atoms “fuse” closer together in every star, and in gravity) while, at the same time, the universe is expanding outwardly. Aliens simply know how to connect the two---the inward and the outward. It’s all around us, all the time, and when aliens (or humans) connect those two energies, it’s a very fast, steep gradient. They can tease energy out of empty space, or do sudden, long distance travel in an instant. There are limits, of course, but from the human perspective it’s phenomenal.

The first limit you bump up against is safety. If you do it wrongly, or too directly and without counter-balanced extra measures, you can do seismic damage, or in the worst case, literally pull solar flares out that damage your planet. But if done finely, in a limited and carefully counter-balanced way, such energies can be used for science research. You can freeze time and look at ultra-microscopic samples, i.e. chemical reactions in process. You can speed time and run out the half-life on radioactive waste. You can even work with deeper, extra cycles of gravitic energy and essentially tease out the past outlines of an injury while at the same time, speeding its replacement by new tissue. Abductees report that aliens do this regularly, i.e. incisions that completely heal within hours. Imagine what can be done to remove brain cancer cells only (not the healthy tissue), then speed their replacement. Better yet, genetic aging processes can be regenerated, allowing for a longer lifetime. Again, there are limits, but it’s a new kind of science that has done wonders elsewhere. Artifical gravity can pull energy out of empty space.

Now, here’s how you can actually do this kind of science and improve yourself. Not only do alien ships invert and half-rotate into a deep-down tied to way-out-there resonance, but when alien minds interact across great distances, they do more or less the same. They resonate down into a deeper sub-nuclear structuring of space (it feels like your awareness nearly instantly half flip-rotates or reverses polarity almost 180 degrees—a kind of inversion) while your mind nearly instantly resonates out all across a vastly larger kind of orb-space and focuses on a different place, person or mind. That’s called remote sensing, or telepathy. Remember, the various quanta of your brain are curved and shaped like all others in the universe, so they can resonate neatly and tightly with them. And it isn’t merely you resonating outwardly. Instead, a greater, larger resonance converges back upon/within you. That part of it more clearly defines what such resonance really is (a larger continuity that you become sensitive to and part of).

Again, it resonates down into a deeper kind of gravity that exists in the universe, a kind of half-state in which black holes and bizarre energy fluctuations exist but are, in some strange way, smeared out in time, rather than sitting still. Because it occurs across a distance, it has a kind of out-of-body feel.

The best way to visualize it is to compare it to what scientists call a “quantum mirage,” a simple yet important science phenomenon.

The Quantum Mirage Model of Hyper-Resonance

Here’s what a quantum mirage looks like. Imagine a square metal box that scientists have sucked all the air out of. Inside is what is called a vacuum---nothing but empty space. When scientists focus energy so that
an electron or a photon appears in one corner of that box, similar particles quickly appear then disappear
in the opposite corner of the box! That’s why it’s called a quantum mirage.

Nearly instantaneous gravitic resonance is like multiple shells of a quantum mirage, but they aren’t in a box. Instead, they occur in an orb-like configuration of different concentric (or “co-homologuous”) shells such that mirage fluctuations appear in the next outer shell so hyper-quickly that they’re distributed or can be variably focused throughout that next shell. (java graphic of a mirage-hyper 3-space goes here) And just what are those shells? They’re a deeper kind of gravity that exists in the universe, a kind of half-state (or alternative fractional state) in which black holes and bizarre energy fluctuations exist but are, in some strange way, smeared out in time (i.e. hyper-space). It’s slightly different than a quantum mirage because when gravitic fluctuations are focused near one side of a shell, they fluctuate more rapidly just beyond the opposite side of that shell, which causes a yet-faster manifestation of mirage fluctuations into and around that next, outer shell. So, those mirage fluctuations have a multiply-scaled, hyper-fast information capacity much like a quantum computer. *The furthest outer “shell” is the universe.

Now here’s the weird part. Because there is or can be no “outer” shell of the universe (every place seems like it’s the center), the outermost shell is inversely mirage-linked to the innermost. But that kind of linkage is very finely and deeply fractional. Why fractional? Because in the overall physics of the universe, the only whole-numbered (one) quantity is the entire universe---when modeled from the very beginnings to the very ends of time. All the rest, including those furthest-out-tied-to-deepest-inward fluctuations, are merely fractions of that larger whole. That’s why scientists see a smeared out, non-local quality in all atomic particles. That’s both how and why all quanta fluctuate and resonate so elusively.

Again, it’s like an inverted event horizon that resonates across a larger kind of orb-like BIG space. So, all across and within that inverted event horizon are fractional wave fluctuations. Because they're fractional they whip across the entire, larger space faster-than-light. That's why you don't see them as hot, local waveform. They cycle far across space, hyper-quickly, in what is essentially hyperspace: a kind of half-state in which black holes and exotic energy fluctuations occur. Because those fractional waveforms tie big scale, cosmic parameters (gravity) to tiny, sub-quantum parameters they are hyper-fast, essentially smeared out into a slightly deeper kind of space (hyperspace) that you don't see so visibly, but you can certainly sense it. Your brain is easily capable of that. Remote sensing is a well-known subject, and that's how it occurs.


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Wow Thessa we have not heard from you in years, welcome back ole friend :clap

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I won't deny that orbs exist---they're compelling, but one thing you have to watch out for is false ones. I was camping and it was misty-raining at night. The photos I took showed that every little drop on my lens created orb-likes. So, at any event, if you open a carbonated drink and it sprays out near your lens, you may think you photo'd orbs, afterward.


Welcome to the Golden Thread otherwise known as the GT George.

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:banana Welcome and Welcome back new and old members! It's good to meet you and no we don't bite. lol :wavey

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Humans don't need galactic travel technology, the aliens afterall came to us. What we have is spirit, love, and emotions that are more expressed than them. Let them learn from us.



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I kinda thought you were a fellow Texan, Bluebonnet, lol. This time of year is always hard for me, I left a patch uncut in the center of the back yard to enjoy the bluebonnets and all the other types of wildflowers cropping up this time of year. It would be wonderful to see the whole place colored in blues and yelows, pinks and whites, but, yesterday we also had to dispatch a rattler. Had I had all those colors everywhere, he/she might have dispatched me first.

About the orbs/spiritual entities, I have never had any in my current home, but it is surely because I use a formula to control them from hanging about. In my former home I had some real characters who came with the home. They would speak to guests especially , usually accompanied by cold spots and always in the middle of the night. I had one experience of hearing a laughter in daylight, and a very specific laugh of a deep throaty he-he-he-he-he, while I was comically dropping my overloaded groceries on the way from the car to the house. Later when I met a women who knew the former owner of the home a Mr. Brown, (deceased, in the house), and described this incident, she , eyes wide, confirmed to me that the deep he-he staccato I had used was certainly the exact sound of Mr. Brown's laughter. I had purchased the home from Mrs. Brown and she passed away 10 years after. For about 2 weeks after her death, both my 14 year old daughter and I could hear footsteps behind us as we stood at the sink washing dishes. Neither of the "entities" seemed scary to me, but others certainly reacted, some overly, some very interested and a couple said they felt more relaxed to sleep after being awakened in the night by a woman's voice. In fact one guest was in my own bed, house sitting, and the voice asked, why are YOU here? She could feel a very cold face over her and it seemed her voice was "full of air". That was the way she described it. But after turning on the light and checking the locks on the doors, she went quickly back to sleep and felt no fear at all throughout the incident. As I think about it, the people who I felt most comfortable with were the people who had the more positive reactions to the entities. The one who had the most fear, was a person who later in my life caused me a great deal of harm.

When I moved to Texas, I didn't know much about my home except that it too was very old, over 100 years, so I had learned to protect against spiritual entities using certain phrases/prayers and oils. I learned because I have had in my life some very negative "spiritual" entities living within my family. My family and my sister in particular have been victimized by the Monarch Program. I say my family because while she is the one with Dissociative Disorder, we all pay a price for it . Mine was being the enemy of some of those entities that occasion to enter into and help my sister to cope during stressful times. But they are not always doing good for her. There are some who like to threaten me and my children. They are very scary and using her voice are quite frank about what their intents are. I have on more than one occasion been physically attacked. I love my sister and I am thankful to some of the entities who provided her with protection especially when she was so young . But I had to learn to protect myself from the "bad" ones. I am so thankful for the last ten years of amazing things I have learned and the people I have learned them from all on the net.

I don't think of these as ghosts, but I do think we all have within us this energy, the 2.2 grams of it. That 2.2 grams of energy is what is eternal and while some of these may have been in flesh bodies like we are now, some were not and are very apt to be negative forces. Then also I believe some are specifically sent from the Creator as a positive and very protective force in our lives. As a child I had an imaginary friend who protected me when I was sexually abused within my family. I am so thankful, they only thing I remember is taking long walks in a forest with my Indian friend. He had braids and quill breast plate. I went through therapy as an adult and the memories of the abuse were just unavailable for recall. Instead I had the unusual memories of myself and my imaginary friend walking for miles all alone in these forests. I had that memory before the therapy, but never realized how unlikely it would be that I at the tender age of 2, 3, and 4 would be allowed to wander around in a forest completely alone, even though at the time we live next to one. So that entity could have been an ancestor, I do have 1/16th Alabama Coushata tribe blood. Or, he could have been one of those sent who are in the service of the Creator, the Ruach Ha Kodesh, the holy wind, in Hebrew. I am not certain about that point in my own mind/understanding. It is something I am seeking to know. I am thankful for even those negatives in my family. It has given me motivation to learn things many are too afraid to think about, much less seek out.





Wow welcome barbarian. Your story spoke to me. This is a time for change, and I am healing from various things, whilst still experiencing others. I haven't said much online for five years, but I figure why keep silent any longer? Allow me to explain a bit. Bear with me - I'm not centered right now but a lady I know is going to balance my chakras and attempt to rid me of 'parasites' tomorrow.


In my experience, both physical and, for lack of a better term, astral abductions occur - with the astral being most prevalent. Usually if you are taken physically you are rarely returned.

What happens is this: the greys and reptilians etc. are located on fourth density, and have the ability to temporarily visit the third density (us). This is different than the 'bloodlines' information as presented by Icke and many other researchers. The DNA anchors the entity in that case and various rituals keep 'the door open' so to speak, such as SRA and using human blood etc.

What happens on an astral abduction is that your essence, a template if you will, is taken from your third density form and moved to fourth density where 'time' is totally different. (Time is an illusion anyway). They do whatever it is they do, such and insert implants, do the usual exams, create screen memories, and so forth. Then you are returned to your third density body which incorporates the changes made while you were 'gone.' Occasionally the 'timing' is off and you might experience missing time in your perception. Wow, what a weird dream! Why is my right nostril bleeding onto my pillow? This has happened to me countless times. I have also had visits in the night, complete with physical paralysis and the horrific pervading evil (there is no other way to describe the feeling). Later I'll get into some of the specific abduction memories I have, including meeting a baby, grabbing something by my bed (I broke the paralysis) and all hell broke loose. Something flew, with a loud flapping sound, around my bedroom knocking things over and hissing. My dogs never moved. The next morning I awakened with the usual first thought: what a weird dream! Then I sat up and looked around and my end table and lamp were smashed on the floor, my dresser was knocked sideways with everything else on the floor! I can't help but think that was a winged Draco. I'm glad I avoided THAT little adventure (or did I). Sorry to stick so many things into one paragraph, but I have a lot to say and honestly I'm not sure where to say it. Here? If I feel comfortable I have quite a bit to share. (c:

I went online in 1995 and started posting in 1997. I wrote a lot on forums and in email lists. After a certain debacle regarding the Cassiopaean Saga, and the attacks on me by the originators of that material (excluding Fred, the original channel - and my friend by IM, IRC, and telephone) who is conveniently left out of the 'current' transcripts, with L claiming it was ALL HER - (yeah right I was in the middle of it and it was Fred who channeled it) I stopped posting in 2005 though I was on all the GLP splinter groups - and on GLP from the beginning until the Christmas Massacre when we were all banned . . . I had the distinction of being the one hundred thirteenth member when Elaine switched over from Cyberspaceorbit to Godlikeproductions. (RIP Kent).

So much to say! Where to say it? I was baited into revealing parts of my childhood (not only the abductions but the suspicion I was at least beginning to undergo MKULTRA = another long story I'll partly share below) by an operative at Crows Nest who drew me out and then - well - it wasn't pretty. I'm not the only one "she" got to. I relapsed at that time by simply noticing that there was a Monarch butterfly on my one year sober coin from AA.

I was present at the beginning of 'The Golden Thread' at GLP in 2003 and have known most of the fine people on this board since then.

One last thought about what I posted above - one man's demon is another man's reptilian. One person's angel is another person's 'Nordic' or Pleiadian (or whatever). I personally believe it's all the same thing - the names change to fit the 'times' in which we live.

My experiences started when I was a small child. They have continued since. I was in Military Intelligence with a TS clearance from 1974 until 1980. I was at two of the overseas bases Dan Sherman mentions in his Above Black book. There are whole stretches of that time that I DO NOT RECALL. Incidentally, in 1998 I couldn't afford the five bucks it cost to download Above Black, and I emailed Dan Sherman with part of my story because I was fascinated by the excerpts I had found online. He emailed me the book for free. Nice guy!

Here is an interesting link about dracos etc: http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/body...ededited.shtml Warning - it contains triggers. It's also a bit weird - but anyway . . .


It reminds me of a time in 1995 when a lady I knew who was very psychic suddenly took me aside and told me I had a large entity attached to my back via a cord. We went outside into the back yard and she did her best to cut the cord and at the end of the day she said she could no longer 'see' this entity.

The next morning, and to this day, I have a cyst that won't go away no matter how many doctors squeeze it etc. !!! Right where she said the cord was attached . . .


This all happened after I took myself to the Veterans Administration Hospital here in town in 1994 - to the ER - because I was overdosed with drugs and alcohol and had called a suicide hotline. The lady found out I was a Vietnam Era Veteran and told me about the VA and recommended I call a friend to take me to the ER. I completed an inpatient treatment lasting thirty days, and by some act of a higher power I got a counselor that understood and believed me when I told him of my abductions beginning in childhood, as well as a sneaking suspicion that I was at least *started* in an MKULTRA program if not completed. As I've stated somewhere recently I do not recall anything before the third grade and do not recall long stretches of my six years in the military.

I was in the military from 1974 till 1980. Since 1980 I have repeatedly tried to self-destruct using drugs and alcohol. Before the military I was teaching bible studies! (I've learned a lot since then - heh). Religion is one of the ways they keep you in check psychically (it's the Devil)!

In any event I bounced in and out of AA and NA for the next few years. I just couldn't get over ninety days.

This was an intense period of abductions and night visits. I would awaken paralyzed over and over again and have many memories of being taken to ships and being attacked repeatedly by reptilians in my little house. I drank to make it stop. I used drugs to make it stop. Nothing makes it stop. I even rehired Jesus for a while. No luck there.

In 1997 I OD'd again and ended up back at the VA. They sent me by ambulance to the Topeka VA which had a different sort of program. The attendant on the ambulance was a beautiful girl. (Start thinking about Eve Lorgan and the Alien Love Bite at this point). I was in Topeka for thirty days and the day I got back this girl called me. We were married two months later. It was my first marriage and I was 42. She was 27.

She had two little kids, a boy 8 and a girl 5. I fell in love with them and stayed clean and sober for the next eight years. I raised them. The wife had taken a job at the American Red Cross and was literally gone from Monday morning until Friday night every week traveling on blood donation runs. Meanwhile I had gone back to school and gotten an Emergency Medical Technician education and began working on the ambulance. Then I got a position at the Red Cross myself. (Google Len Horowitz to learn about the Red Cross. He is right).

During all this time she was gone I had immersed myself in the internets.

I found Cyberspaceorbit, Branton, the Andromedans, the Cassiopaens, and all the rest. I was reading Marciniak, Seth, and every other book I could find at the metaphysical bookstores. I still cannot read the book E.T. 101 without crying. Find it and read it. It is so uplifting.

Fast forward to 2005. Eight years clean and sober and two teenagers in the house! The wife and I hadn't gotten along since the first few months of the marriage. I was a hopeless romantic, leaving notes and sending flowers etc. She told me to knock it off - it's stupid. You can imagine how I felt about that. In any event, I think we stayed together because she was always gone. She had a built in babysitter and didn't have to interact with the kids except on the weekends. Long story there, and I don't want to take her inventory here.

During those eight years we had a plethora of paranormal activity in and around the house. We all had stories about it to share almost every morning. I'm positive the kids were being taken. My wife is a Witch and has no problem with earth based entities and ghosts etc. but would not entertain the possibility of aliens. One night she came home and saw a group of short beings standing around me while I was asleep in bed. She said she 'talked' to them but it wasn't words. After that she was a bit more open to the alien possibilities. (c:

During this time they got sneaky with me. I began being stalked in the astral plane, and taken non-physically. This continues to the present time.

In August of 2005 she announced she was leaving to live with her boyfriend and that we needed a divorce. Of course I agreed. Interestingly the two kids asked to stay with me. That was fine with her.

In September of 2005 through a series of events my 89 year old Dad, the only living relative I have aside from a thirty year old daughter conceived during my military time (we connected later and I have three grandchildren) fell and broke his hip. He ended up in hospital for weeks then in ICU after heart attacks and strokes. I had to make the decision to unplug him that month. I had to make it alone. I miss my Dad.

I need to insert a short history here. My memories begin when I was eight years old, in the third grade. My Mother had - the only word is kidnapped - me from Ohio where I was born and brought me to Kansas. I recall bits and pieces of cement rooms and doctors - strange children that were deformed - and being terrified of my bedroom at night. She told me my Dad was dead. During this time I was molested often by her female friend Jean.

One day in the third grade I came out after school and my Dad was standing there. I knew him immediately. We started sneaking around after school getting ice cream and things like that. He told me I could tell my Mom he was here but I did not. I never did tell him about Jean.

One night (still in the third grade) I got up to go to the bathroom. This was always an adventure because I was terrified to go into my bedroom, and once there terrified to leave. That damned closet! And the faces in the windows. Anyway I got to the bathroom and found my Mom in a pool of blood. She had slit her wrists. I called my Dad and he and the police came and got me. I never heard from my Mother after that. One time while I was home on leave from overseas I recall putting on my dress uniform and going to my Mother's house. She answered the door and we talked for a few minutes. She said 'I see they got you into the military anyway.' I still don't know what she meant, but I have my suspicions. My Dad found her obituary in 1983.

Also I might add that I have had cluster headaches, the worst headaches imaginable, much worse than migraines, since 1980 - when I got out of the military. They are also known as 'suicide headaches.'

Ok back to 2005. After my wife left one month and my dad died the next month, I lasted approximately two more months before I bought a quart of Whiskey and a pile of drugs. Her two kids were still living with me and though I tried to hide it they knew. I started the same pattern I had in the nineties - clean for three or four months, going to meetings, then off again. I wanted to die. Matt turned 18 and joined the Marines. He goes to Afghanistan next month. Kim is 17 and moved back in with her mother when she was 16 - I couldn't handle her, and as well I was using and drinking. *sigh* I still love them and they love me. Kim comes over all the time and Matt calls me when he can and stays here when he is home on leave.

It seems that since I got discharged from the Military I have tried to self-destruct. I think it is called Omega programming. I refuse to submit. On Christmas 2009 I made a conscious decision to live. I did not go to the VA this time, I detoxed at home alone with my dogs. I do go to the VA for PTSD groups and substance abuse groups. I feel safe out there at the VA. I see a shrink every other week (she also believes me about the aliens and the rest - another higher power thing). I have been going to two and three Narcotics Anonymous meetings a day, and now lead the Friday night meeting. I have about one hundred twenty days clean.

Late last year I was declared totally disabled by Social Security. I am barely making it on the money I get. The VA also declared me totally disabled but won't pay me because I am already getting Social Security.

I am 54. I went for disability due to a fried out back (spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease, bulging discs, and severe scoliosis), the headaches, a fused right wrist (I am right handed) and then we have the mental problems. Severe PTSD, Major Depression, Severe anxiety attacks, and things like that. Last year the VA had me on so many meds I was a zombie. When I sobered up and cleaned up at Christmas I developed side effects from some of the meds. I told them I was done being a lab rat, and they could keep their meds. My shrink agreed that cognitive therapy was best for me because of the side effects, and also doesn't believe in medicating the problem. I was doing that myself with the drugs and alcohol. Now I'm only on Wellbutrin for depression and also as a feeble attempt to stop smoking. And oh yes, yes I have thought about being 'funneled' to the VA to continue being monitored etc. I had a cat scan and the doctor refused to show me the films. I say I feel safe at the VA, and I do, but why? I have lots of uncomfortable questions like that. (c:

So. I decided as well to begin posting again on the internet. I stopped in 2005. The last five years sucked! I still read everything but had nothing to say. Well . . . now I do. I want to know what happened and is happening to me. I want to experience happiness and joy despite the dracos, greys, clones, PTB, discarnates, ghosts and ghouls!

As far as 'experiences' go, all of mine have been terrifying except for one. The one time I wasn't paralyzed first and in absolute terror, with an underlying sense of pervasive evil, was as follows.

I was walking down a path toward a ramp that led across a short stretch of water to a floating disc. There were several beings behind me. I say beings because I never saw them; I was constrained from turning around - but I knew that they were there.

I was prompted up the ramp and into the disc. Once inside, I looked around (but not behind) and saw equipment with blinking lights. I wasn't exactly pushed - prompted is the best word - across the vessel to the far side where I saw a sort of crib or incubator - it's hard to describe - inside which was a very small child. I recall the child but not the facial features. I was - again - prompted to reach out and hold both of the child's hands with mine, and did so. No, no, they prompted. Cross your arms this way making an X and hold hands. I did so and was immediately totally immersed in what can only be described as an electrical current. It pulsed top down throughout my entire body.

I then became aware that I was in my own bed, with the electrical current still pulsating through my body. It continued for another minute or so and then subsided. I felt no fear at any time during this experience. So was that my hybrid kid? I don't know.

It was completely different than all my other experiences such as the one with the winged draco I related earlier in this thread. I'll get around to posting more of these as time goes on.

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I had not had a physical experience for several years (about which I was aware). I often, however, have astral abductions and negative manipulations of the dreamstate, both astral and aetheric.

Last week I once again had a physical experience. I recall nothing of it aside from the very first part. It was precisely like the dozens of previous experiences I have had, except that this time my memory was screened very well. All I recall is awakening completely paralyzed, trying to scream or cry out and producing only the well-remembered croaking sounds. I then recall floating upward. That's it - it ends there. *sigh*

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As far as physical marks of any kind, this time I can find nothing. In the past, after an experience, I have had a scrape down the left side of my abdomen across the ribcage. This happened many times. I have no clue why.

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About the orbs, I haven't seen one with the naked eye. I have, however, often seen the black shadow people. And I have one very tall white entity that likes to flit past my open bedroom door.

Ok - if you read all of this I've held you hostage long enough!

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Not at all, Wyz! Fascinating!!!! :heart

You, my dear, are a very strong individual to have overcome and survived so much! :clap

And a big ole Texas HOWDY to everyone - new and old here! :wavey

Yes, Barb, the wildflowers are gorgeous this year. The bluebonnets are a deep, deep blue. We made the pilgrammage to Chappel Hill last weekend. The fields looked like they were full of water not flowers - that's how blue they are. ;)

I'm seeing wild indigo, verbena, indian paintbrush, gallardia, chamomile, wild daisies and more in my area.

For those of you who have never experienced Texas in the Spring - you need to come on down! She is beautiful all wrapped in her glorious paint of flowers. :heart

Thank you, Lady Bird Johnson for all you did to make Texas beautiful. :clap

P.S. - The weather ain't so bad right now, either! Wait a few months - HELL ON EARTH! :crylaugh

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Fear not, no poleshift this year or the next ten. Just keep treating others like you would want yourself. (hugs)

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Uncle John here: Welcome to the Golden Thread George LoBuono. Are you still living in Davis? I believe a friend of yours, Publius, use to post on the GT, way back when.

I've always appreciated your knowledge of the offworlder situation. I look forward to any information you might share with us.

I've got lots of ideas about why the situation was created here on earth that I would love to get you opinion on. Just say ok and I'll start.

The one thing that has been the hallmark of the GT has been the kindness and intelligence of the posters here. Even when we disagree, we try to follow the golden rule.


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Uncle John here: Hi Wyz. Thanks for sharing more of your life with us. Your experience and knowledge is extensive.

We have shared many forums together and I consider you a friend.

One thing about Wyz is that he is always respectful and kind to those he communicates with. I've always admired that about you.

I also like your sponge bob square pants and your dog pictures.


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I spend a lot of time in the kitchen with my laptop, so, I suspect a good reason for the Orb watching there.
Well, I took more photos this morning,...and nil, not today.

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I spend a lot of time in the kitchen with my laptop, so, I suspect a good reason for the Orb watching there.
Well, I took more photos this morning,...and nil, not today.


Hmmmmm -

is the energy from the laptop attracting them?

Or

your creative energy attracting them?

Or

are you researching topics of interest to them?

Or

are you being naughty on the 'puter? :roflmao

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Wyzyrd,

There have been a few times in my life when I just have to take a step back and thank my version of God for the many blessings in my life. This is one of them. I just read your story and took 10 minutes of sun-shine outside with some :yamon and counted my blessings. My God, Wow. I don't know how you do it, and continue on, you have an incredible story. I am amazed the Dr's believe you!! First, CONGRATULATIONS for the last 120+ days of clean & sober. Also, great to see you out of your shell and POSTING again. This forum has been one of the only places where I can hold on to reality and stay sane and not sink back into the Matrix they have created for us. When I leave the house and get in my car, I take this cloud of sanity and reality with me until I can return to the safety of "my cave". I take a lot of Vitamin D. LOL, but true. I don't know which is scarier, the Matrix, or Reality, but since I am a realist, I prefer to live with the truth no matter how uncomfortable it is.

Now on to this:

Wyzyrd wrote:
..."I had a cat scan and the doctor refused to show me the films..."


If you want answers, I would start right there. I find it very odd that a Dr would not show you the films from the CAT scan. I have looked at nearly every X-ray and image taken of my body over 53 years. If I was refused, I would be very suspicious, I mean, what is there that they don't want you to see? An implant? If it was a brain tumor, they would tell you and pull your Driver's License because symptoms could endanger yourself or others on the road. Just a thought that I am sure has already occurred to you.

And BTW, you didn't have to hold me hostage, your story was riveting and a shining example of why I visit the Golden Thread. Pull up a chair and join in the fray while we all watch the parade. :popcorn

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George LoBuono,

Welcome to the Golden Thread! Have you been lurking long? I lurked for about 6 months before posting.

How did you find our forum?


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I spend a lot of time in the kitchen with my laptop, so, I suspect a good reason for the Orb watching there.
Well, I took more photos this morning,...and nil, not today.


Hmmmmm -

is the energy from the laptop attracting them?

Or

your creative energy attracting them?

Or

are you researching topics of interest to them?

Or

are you being naughty on the 'puter? :roflmao


Well, it's not because I'm being naughty on the computer.
I see them whizzing around a lot in my peripheral vision and wondered if these entities were the Orbs..so, since camera was with me I took some pictures, and now I assume that's who it is.
I've discovered these Orb people, through their showing's, interact with me in my dream world. I also sense their intelligence is superior and their more experienced with the non-physical realms than I am.

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As promised, here are the photos.

The first image was taken in Central London on Thursday. Notice how the high level cloud is arranged in lines.

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The rest of these images were taken in my local park on Friday. Even where there are high level clouds, they are evenly spread out / not in lines.

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simple simon wrote:

However I suppose the saying that every cloud has a silver lining also applies to clouds of volcanic ash, as with all aircraft grounded there are no chemtrails. (At least, the usual method of propagation has been thwarted!)

Walking through my local park a couple of hours ago I looked up to see if I could spot the difference. I could! And I took a few photos too! Once downloaded off my camera I'll share a few here. It might be Sunday before this happens.

Simon


Amid desperate scenes of trapped passengers trying to get home the latest news is that passengers from places such as the USA might be flown to Spain and then brought home by train. Our government had a crisis meeting today, even though its a Sunday! I think the disruption might be reaching crisis point, especially for people who are stranded overseas and in deep trouble financially. No food, no shelter, no travel... This especially applies to people who created their travel itineraries themselves, as those who bought 'package' holidays from travel agents are supposed to be looked after by the travel agents / tour companies so should still be OK.

The election campaign might work in people's favour, as the government cannot afford to be seen to be failing the people - as it is they are staring defeat in its face, so how they handle this could win or lose them votes.

The airlines are starting to push for less strict controls. Several have flown their own (empty) test flights and said that the aircraft have not been damaged. Despite the noise pollution I must admit to being very sympathetic towards the push to reopen the skies, not least because I want to book something for myself. But I am very concerned about the possibility of aircraft falling from the skies!

I dont know if people here follow astrology, but Mercury, the planet of communication, has just gone retrograde, which might suggest that things will not be resolved for a short while yet.


In the meantime, I've heard it said that the ash situation is a sham, and that the truth points towards a NATO military operation. During the day (on Sunday) the TV news was telling us that its been discovered that a military jet from Finland which flew through the eruption cloud was badly damaged (corroded) by the acids in the cloud.

So, where does truth fit in to all of this?? Pass! :dunno

Below are a few links to pages which may be of interest.

The Nato military operation.. in the midst of the volcanic issue, is it still ongoing???
http://www.usafe.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123199666

and if we think that the volcano that is currently erupting is a problem, then there is this! :scared
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katla

Then there is a threat of toxic fluoride gas... :(
http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/15-04-2010/113035-icelandic_ash-0

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Hi Everybody particularly all the new comers and the returnees,

Something tells me that we are getting ready for a big shift and a lot of it has to do with "coming home" spiritually and in other ways. There are things going on right now that are a combination of direct intervention by warring groups and nature herself. For example, we are being told by OUR media that Iceland had a big volcanic eruption and that is why all the airports in Europe are closed. Oddly enough, the Icelandic airports are still open according to posts around the web. People from England have posted on Rumormill news that there isn't any real ash in the air there. Even odder, British Airways and KLM (I think) both put planes up without any problems whatsoever and they are demanding to know why they are grounded.

Goldman Sachs is in big trouble and it looks like they are going to have to give back everything that they have stolen with their CDOs. (see worldreports.org to learn why these derivatives are illegal under US and common law) Britain and Germany have already announced that they will be opening their own investigations and I expect everybody here to demand that their governors open the same types of investigations since many pension funds are loaded with this crap.

Now, I have read some interesting rumors at Cliff's place. Apparently, people with super-duper infrared scopes can see all manner of crafts high above the earth shooting something at each other. Anybody got connections to infrared technology to verify this information.

For the record, I love humanity. I know that we are very worthwhile as a species and that we aren't really that violent or destructive if left to our own devices and not being led around by bankers. All anyone has to do to know what a wondrous species that we are is to have a baby. As soon as they can walk, they are throwing their chubby little arms around puppies, their parents's legs and other children. They love so freely and instinctively that I cannot understand how anybody can despoil that with perversions supposedly to give them eidetic memory. It is beyond me.

If we are to survive this next little epoch in our history, we must cling to the love of our own species with the same single mindedness that salmon demonstrate when they climb rivers or fight the tide to spawn. We have to begin to think lovingly of each other with every breath. Our souls have to glow with the fervor of our care for one another and this wild blue marble that we share. Do this for our shared future. Do this for your children. Do this for the future which while it may have rough patches, will be a better one than our past...I am sure of it. In the future that I see, there aren't as many mansions or fancy cars, but there is dancing, laughter and music alternating with hard work.

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Thank you both Wyzyrd & barbarian for sharing your stories with us.

And welcome George LoBueno. What a funny name ! I haven't read your second post though, but I will. I read everything. :offtobed

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MK and all - I'm holding my breath that the planes are grounded for a reason we don't know that has nothing to do with ASH.

To think there is a war up there visible in the Infrared Spectrum, WOW, I would love to see it with my own eyes. Still there is something missing because that is not a reason to ground planes.

Maybe something is incoming, not an asteroid, they would tell people - maybe, but that makes no sense because this has been going on for days and an asteroid is not going to chase the UK going in circles for days, remember the Earth is moving too.

Maybe the PTB were told by ETs to clear the airspace, or else.

It's an unfolding mystery, but surely with all those clear sky images, and the 2 Airline Companies demanding to know what is up, it is not ASH.


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Thank you Barbarian, Bluebonnet, Lynnwoood, Uncle John, Cyberbird, and anyone I might have missed for your support.

UJ - We'll have to talk soon. I can't get Fred to answer an email but I'll try again. My skype is the_wyzyrd and you have all my IM info - if not, and anyone is encouraged to IM or skype me -

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I've been immersed in facebook lately; if you have one my URL is http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/Wyzyrd?ref=profile

p.s. Uncle John: Kerry released her interview with Laura and the Cassiopaens at Project Camelot today. I'm about to watch it. I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut she doesn't mention Fred . . .

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I had a dream back in the nineties. It was very long and involved and featured an elementary school with a picture of JFK on the wall. Lots of things happened, not the least of which was an atomic explosion on the horizon at the very end of the dream - but the part I want to focus on is the part where I was running down one of the halls of the school fleeing from two men in suits. I stopped, bent down, and picked up an oval shaped crystal. I popped it in my mouth and sucked on it for a while whilst running then bit into it and swallowed it.

Here is the weird part: I'm re-reading the unedited Cassiopaen transcripts and co-incidentally I read a session where the C's describe the Fourth Density STO Orions eating oval shaped crystals . . . I had the dream before I ever read that session . . . makes one think, doesn't it . . .

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If you haven't read the Greenbaum Speech, now is the time to do so! DC Hammond gave this lecture in 1992. You will learn about MKULTRA programming techniques, as well as how to counter them in a professional setting. I mentioned I had Omega Programming earlier. Learn also about Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Theta programming. It is a fascinating read. ~ Wyz

THE GREENBAUM SPEECH

Herein is the lecture by D.C.Hammond, originally entitled "Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse," but now usually known as the "Greenbaum Speech," delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and Multiple Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia. Sponsored by the Center for Abuse Recovery & Empowerment, The Psychiatric Institute of Washington, D.C. Both a tape and a transcript were at one time available from Audio Transcripts of Alexandria, Virginia (800-338-2111 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              800-338-2111      end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 800-338-2111 end_of_the_skype_highlighting). Tapes and transcripts of other sessions from the conference are still being sold but -- understandably -- not this one. The transcript below was made from a privately made tape of the original lecture.

The single most remarkable thing about this speech is how little one has heard of it in the years since its original delivery. It is recommended that one reads far enough at least until one finds why it's called "the Greenbaum speech."

In the introduction the following background information is given for D. Corydon Hammond:

B.S. M.S. Ph.D (Counseling Psychology) from the University of Utah

Diplomate in Clinical Hypnosis, the American Board of Psychological Hypnosis

Diplomate in Sex Therapy, the American Board of Sexology

Clinical Supervisor and Board Examiner, American Board of Sexology

Diplomate in Marital and Sex Therapy, American Board of Family Psychology

Licensed Psychologist, Licensed Marital Therapist, Licensed Family Therapist, State of Utah

Research Associate Professor of Physical Medicine an Rehabilitation, Utah School of Medicine

Director and Founder of the Sex and Marital Therapy Clinic, University of Utah.

Adjunct Associate Professor of Educational Psychology, University of Utah

Abstract Editor, The American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis

Advising Editor and Founding Member, Editorial Board, The Ericsonian Monograph

Referee, The Journal of Abnormal Psychology

1989 Presidential Award of Merit, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis

1990 Urban Sector Award, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis

Current [now Past] President, American Society of Clinical Hypnosis

THE GREENBAUM SPEECH of D.C.HAMMOND
We've got a lot to cover today and let me give you a rough approximate outline of the the things that I'd like us to get into. First, let me ask how many of you have had at least one course or workshop on hypnosis? Can I see the hands? Wonderful. That makes our job easier. Okay. I want to start off by talking a little about trance-training and the use of hypnotic phenomena with an MPD dissociative-disorder population, to talk some about unconscious exploration, methods of doing that, the use of imagery and symbolic imagery techniques for managing physical symptoms, input overload, things like that. Before the day's out, I want to spend some time talking about something I think has been completely neglected in the field of dissociative disorder, and that's talking about methods of profound calming for automatic hyper-arousal that's been conditioned in these patients. We're going to spend a considerable length of time talking about age-regression and abreaction in working through a trauma. I'll show you with a non-MPD patient -- some of that kind of work -- and then extrapolate from what I find so similar and different with MPD cases. Part of that, I would add, by the way, is that I've been very sensitive through the years about taping MPD cases or ritual-abuse cases, part of it being that some of that feels a little like using patients and I think that this population has been used enough. That's part of the reason, by choice, that I don't generally videotape my work. I also want to talk a bunch about hypnotic relapse- prevention strategies and post-integration therapy today. Finally, I hope to find somewhere in our time-frame to spend on hour or so talking specifically about ritual abuse and about mind-control programming and brainwashing -- how it's done, how to get on the inside with that -- which is a topic that in the past I haven't been willing to speak about publicly, have done that in small groups and in consultations, but recently decided that it was high time that somebody started doing it. So we're going to talk about specifics today. [Applause] In Chicago at the first international congress where ritual abuse was talked about I can remember thinking, "How strange and interesting." I can recall many people listening to an example given that somebody thought was so idiosyncratic and rare, and all the people coming up after saying, "Gee, you're treating one, too? You're in Seattle"...Well, I'm in Toronto...Well, I'm in Florida...Well, I'm in Cincinnati." I didn't know what to think at that point. It wasn't too long after that I found my first ritual-abuse patient in somebody I was already treating and we hadn't gotten that deep yet. Things in that case made me very curious about the use of mind-control techniques and hypnosis and other brainwashing techniques. So I started studying brainwashing and some of the literature in that area and became acquainted with, in fact, one of the people who'd written one of the better books in that area. Then I decided to do a survey, and from the ISSMP&D [International Society for the Study of Multiple Personality and Dissociation] folks I picked out about a dozen and a half therapists that I though were seeing more of that than probably anyone else around and I started surveying them. The interview protocol, that I had. got the same reaction almost without exception. Those therapists said, "You're asking questions I don't know the answers to. You're asking more specific questions than I've ever asked my patients." Many of those same therapists said, "Let me ask those questions and I'll get back to you with the answer." Many of them not only got back with answers, but said, "You've got to talk to this patient or these two patients." I ended up doing hundred of dollars worth of telephone interviewing. What I came out of that was a grasp of a variety of brainwashing methods being used all over the country. I started to hear some similarities. Whereas I hadn't known, to begin with, how widespread things were, I was now getting a feeling that there were a lot of people reporting some similar things and that there must be some degree of communication here. Then approximately two and a half years ago I had some material drop in my lap. My source was saying a lot of things that I knew were accurate about some of the brainwashing, but it was telling me new material I had no idea about. At this point I took and decided to check it out in three ritual-abuse patients I was seeing at the time. Two of the three had what they were describing, in careful inquiry without leading or contaminating. The fascinating thing was that as I did a telephone-consult with a therapist that I'd been consulting for quite a number of months on an MPD case in another state, I told her to inquire about certain things. She said, "Well, what are those things?" I said, "I'm not going to tell you, because I don't want there to be any possibility of contamination. Just come back to me and tell me what the patient says." She called me back two hours later, said, "I just had a double session with this patient and there was a part of him that said, 'Oh, we're so excited. If you know about this stuff, you know how the Cult Programmers get on the inside and our therapy is going to go so much faster.'" Many other patients since have had a reaction of wanting to pee their pants out of anxiety and fear rather than thinking it was wonderful thing. But the interesting thing was that she then asked, "What are these things?" They were word perfect -- same answers my source had given me. I've since repeated that in many parts of the country. I've consulted in eleven states and one foreign country, in some cases over the telephone, in some cases in person, in some cases giving the therapist information ahead of time and saying, "Be very careful how you phrase this. Phrase it in these ways so you don't contaminate." In other cases not even giving the therapist information ahead of time so they couldn't. When you start to find the same highly esoteric information in different states and different countries, from Florida to California, you start to get an idea that there's something going on that is very large, very well coordinated, with a great deal of communication and sytematicness to what's happening. So I have gone from someone kind of neutral and not knowing what to think about it all to someone who clearly believes ritual abuse is real and that the people who say it isn't are either naive like people who didn't want to believe the Holocaust or -- they're dirty. [Applause]

Now for a long time I would tell a select group of therapists that I knew and trusted, information and say, "Spread it out. Don't spread my name. Don't say where it came from. But here's some information. Share it with other therapists if you find it's on target, and I'd appreciate your feedback." People would question -- in talks -- and say, you know, they were hungry for information. Myself, as well as a few others that I've shared it with, were hedging out of concern and out of personal threats and out of death threats. I finally decided to hell with them. If they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. It's time to share more information with therapists. Part of that comes because we proceeded so cautiously and slowly, checking things in many different locations and find the same thing. So I'm going to give you the way in with ritual-abuse programming. I certainly can't tell you everything that you want to know in forty-five or fifty minutes, but I'm going to give you the essentials to get inside and start working at a new level. I don't know what proportion, honestly, of patients have this. I would guess that maybe somewhere around at least fifty percent, maybe as high as three-quarters, I would guess maybe two-thirds of your ritual-abuse patients may have this. What do I think the distinguishing characteristic is? If they were raised from birth in a mainstream cult or if they were an non-bloodline person, meaning neither parent was in the Cult, but Cult people had a lot of access to them in early childhood, they may also have it. I have seen more than one ritual-abuse patient who clearly had all the kind of ritual things you hear about. They seemed very genuine. They talked about all the typical things that you hear in this population, but had none of this programming with prolonged extensive checking. So I believe in one case I was personally treating that she was a kind of schizmatic break-off that had kind of gone off and done their own thing and were no longer hooked into a mainstream group. [Pause]

Here's where it appears to have come from. At the end of World War II, before it even ended, Allen Dulles and people from our Intelligence Community were already in Switzerland making contact to get out Nazi scientists. As World War II ends, they not only get out rocket scientists, but they also get out some Nazi doctors who have been doing mind-control research in the camps.

They brought them to the United States. Along with them was a young boy, a teenager, who had been raised in a Hasidic Jewish tradition and a background of Cabalistic mysticism that probably appealed to people in the Cult because at least by the turn of the century Aleister Crowley had been introducing Cabalism into Satanic stuff, if not earlier. I suspect it may have formed some bond between them. But he saved his skin by collaborating and being an assistant to them in the death-camp experiments. They brought him with them. They started doing mind-control research for Military Intelligence in military hospitals in the United States. The people that came, the Nazi doctors, were Satanists. Subsequently, the boy changed his name, Americanized it some, obtained an M.D. degree, became a physician and continued this work that appears to be at the center of Cult Programming today. His name is known to patients throughout the country. [Pause]

What they basically do is they will get a child and they will start this, in basic forms, it appears, by about two and a half after the child's already been made dissociative. They'll make him dissociative not only through abuse, like sexual abuse, but also things like putting a mousetrap on their fingers and teaching the parents, "You do not go in until the child stops crying. Only then do you go in and remove it." They start in rudimentary forms at about two and a half and kick into high gear, it appears, around six or six and a half, continue through adolescence with periodic reinforcements in adulthood. Basically in the programming the child will be put typically on a gurney. They will have an IV in one hand or arm. They'll be strapped down, typically naked. There'll be wires attached to their head to monitor electroencephalograph patterns. They will see a pulsing light, most often described as red, occasionally white or blue. They'll be given, most commonly I believe, Demerol. Sometimes it'll be other drugs as well depending on the kind of programming. They have it, I think, down to a science where they've learned you give so much every twenty-five minutes until the programming is done. They then will describe a pain on one ear, their right ear generally, where it appears a needle has been placed, and they will hear weird, disorienting sounds in that ear while they see photic stimulation to drive the brain into a brainwave pattern with a pulsing light at a certain frequency not unlike the goggles that are now available through Sharper Image and some of those kinds of stores. Then, after a suitable period when they're in a certain brainwave state, they will begin programming, programming oriented to self-destruction and debasement of the person. In a patient at this point in time about eight years old who has gone through a great deal early programming took place on a military installation. That's not uncommon. I've treated and been involved with cases who are part of this original mind-control project as well as having their programming on military reservations in many cases. We find a lot of connections with the CIA. This patient now was in a Cult school, a private Cult school where several of these sessions occurred a week. She would go into a room, get all hooked up. They would do all of these sorts of things. When she was in the proper altered state, now they were no longer having to monitor it with electroencephalographs, she also had already had placed on her electrodes, one in the vagina, for example, four on the head. Sometimes they'll be on other parts of the body. They will then begin and they would say to her, "You are angry with someone in the group." She'd say, "No, I'm not" and they'd violently shock her. They would say the same thing until she complied and didn't make any negative response. Then they would continue. "And because you are angry with someone in the group," or "When you are angry with someone in the group, you will hurt yourself. Do you understand?" She said, "No" and they shocked her. They repeated again, "Do you understand?" "Well, yes, but I don't want to." Shock her again until they get compliance. Then they keep adding to it. "And you will hurt yourself by cutting yourself. Do you understand?" Maybe she'd say yes, but they might say, "We don't believe you" and shock her anyway. "Go back and go over it again." They would continue in this sort of fashion. She said typically it seemed as though they'd go about thirty minutes, take a break for a smoke or something, come back. They may review what they'd done and stopped or they might review what they'd done and go on to new material. She said the sessions might go half an hour, they might go three hours. She estimated three times a week. Programming under the influence of drugs in a certain brainwave state and with these noises in one ear and them speaking in the other ear, usually the left ear, associated with right hemisphere non-dominant brain functioning, and with them talking, therefore, and requiring intense concentration, intense focusing. Because often they'll have to memorize and say certain things back, word-perfect, to avoid punishment, shock, and other kinds of things that are occurring. This is basically how a lot of programming goes on. Some of it'll also use other typical brainwashing kinds of techniques. There will be very standardized types of hypnotic things done at times. There'll be sensory deprivation which we know increases suggestibility in anyone. Total sensory deprivation, suggestibility has significantly increased, from the research. It's not uncommon for them to use a great deal of that, including formal sensory-deprivation chambers before they do certain of these things. [Pause] Now let me give you, because we don't have a lot of time, as much practical information as I can. The way that I would inquire as to whether or not some of this might be there would be with ideomotor finger-signals. After you've set them up I would say, "I want the central inner core of you to take control of the finger-signals." Don't ask the unconscious mind. The case where you're inquiring about ritual abuse, that's for the central inner core. The core is a Cult-created part. "And I want that central inner core of you to take control of this hand of these finger-signals and what it has for the yes-finger to float up. I want to ask the inner core of you is there any part of you, any part of Mary," that's the host's name, "who knows anything about Alpha, Beta, Delta, or Theta." If you get a Yes, it should raise a red flag that you might have someone with formal intensive brainwashing and programming in place. I would then ask and say, "I want a part inside who knows something about Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Theta to come up to a level where you can speak to me and when you're here say, 'I'm here.'" I would not ask if a part was willing to. No one's going to particularly want to talk about this. I would just say, "I want some part who can tell me about this to come out." Without leading them ask them what these things are. I've had consults where I've come in. Sometimes I've gotten a Yes to that, but as I've done exploration it appeared to be some kind of compliance response or somebody wanting, in two or three cases, to appear maybe that they were ritual abuse and maybe they were in some way, but with careful inquiry and looking it was obvious that they did not have what we were looking for. Let me tell you what these are. Let's suppose that this whole front row here are multiples and that she has an alter named Helen and she has one named Mary, she has one named Gertrude, she has one named Elizabeth, and she has one named Monica. Every one of those alters may have put on it a program, perhaps designated alpha-zero-zero-nine a Cult person could say, "Alpha-zero-zero-nine" or make some kind of hand gesture to indicate this and get the same part out in any one of them even though they had different names that they may be known by to you. Alphas appear to represent general programming, the first kind of things put in. Betas appear to be sexual programs. For example, how to perform oral sex in a certain way, how to perform sex in rituals, having to do with producing child pornography, directing child pornography, prostitution. Deltas are killers trained in how to kill in ceremonies. There'll also be some self-harm stuff mixed in with that, assassination and killing. Thetas are called psychic killers. You know, I had never in my life heard those two terms paired together. I'd never heard the words "psychic killers" put together, but when you have people in different states, including therapists inquiring and asking, "What is Theta," and patients say to them, "Psychic killers," it tends to make one a believer that certain things are very systematic and very widespread. This comes from their belief in psychic sorts of abilities and powers, including their ability to psychically communicate with "mother'" including their ability to psychically cause somebody to develop a brain aneurysm and die. It also is a more future-oriented kind of programming. Then there's Omega. I usually don't include that word when I say my first question about this or any part inside that knows about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta because Omega will shake them even more. Omega has to do with self-destruct programming. Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. This can include self-mutilation as well as killing-themselves programming. Gamma appears to be system-protection and deception programming which will provide misinformation to you, try to misdirect you, tell you half-truths, protect different things inside. There can also be other Greek letters. I'd recommend that you go and get your entire Greek alphabet and if you have verified that some of this stuff is present and they have given you some of the right answers about what some of this material is, and I can't underline enough: DO NOT LEAD THEM. Do not say, "Is this killers?" Get the answer from them, please. When you've done this and it appears to be present, I would take your entire Greek alphabet and, with ideomotor signals, go through the alphabet and say, "Is there any programming inside associated with epsilon, omicron," and go on through. There may be some sytematicness to some of the other letter, but I'm not aware of it. I've found, for example, in one case that Zeta had to do with the production of snuff films that this person was involved with. With another person, Omicron had to do with their linkage and associations with drug smuggling and with the Mafia and with big business and government leaders. So there's going to be some individualism, I think, in some of those. Some of those are come-home programs, "come back to the Cult", "return to the Cult" program. Here's the flaw in the system. They have built in shut-down and erasure codes so if they got into trouble they could shut something down and they could also erase something. These codes will sometimes be idiosyncratic phrases, or ditties. Sometimes they will be numbers maybe followed by a word. There's some real individuality to that. At first I had hoped if we can get some of these maybe they'll work with different people. No such luck. It's very unlikely unless they were programmed at about the same point in time as part of the same little group. Stuff that I've seen suggests that they carry laptop computers, the programmers, which still include everything that they did twenty, thirty years ago in them in terms of the names of alters, the programs, the codes, and so on. Now what you can do is get erasure codes, and I always ask, "If I say this code, what will happen?' Doublecheck. "Is there any part inside who has different information?" Watch your ideomotor signals and what I've found is you can erase programs by giving the appropriate codes, but then you must abreact the feelings. So if you erase Omega, which is often where I've started because it's the most high risk. Afterwards I will get all the Omega, what were formerly Omega alters, together so that we will abreact and give back to the host the memories associated with all the programming that was done with Omega and anything any Omega part ever had to do in a fractionated abreaction. They use the metaphor -- and it is their metaphor -- of robots. and it is like a robot shell comes down over the child alter to make them act in robotic fashion. Once in a while internally you'll confront robots. What I found from earlier work, and so I speed the process up now because I confirmed it enough times, is that you can say to the core, "Core, I want you to look -- there's this robot blocking the way in some way, blocking the progress. Go around and look at the back of the head and tell me what you notice on the back of the head or the neck." I just ask it very non-leading like that and what's commonly said to me is that there were wires or a switch. So I'll tell them, "Hold the wires or flip the switch and it will immobilize the robot and give me a yes-signal when you've done it." Pretty soon you get a yes-signal. "Great. Now that the robot is immobilized, I want you to look inside the robot and tell me what you see." It's generally one or several children. I have them remove the children. I do a little hypnotic magic and ask the core to use a laser and vaporize the robot so nothing is left. They're usually quite amazed that this works, as have been a number of therapists. [Pause] Now there are many different layers of this stuff is the problem. Let me come over to the overhead and give some ideas about them. What we have up here are innumerable alters. I'll tell you one of the fascinating things I've seen. I remember a little over a year ago coming in to see some cases, some of the tough cases at a dissociative-disorders unit of a couple of the finest of the MPD therapists in this country, who are always part of all the international meetings, have lectured internationally. We worked and I look at some of their patients. They were amazed at certain things because they had not been aware of this before. As we worked with some of the patients and confirmed it, I remember one woman who'd been inpatient for three years, still was inpatient. Another who had one intensive year of inpatient work with all the finest MPD therapy you can imagine -- abreactions, integrations, facilitating cooperation, art therapy, on and on and on, journaling, intensively for one inpatient year followed by an intensive year of outpatient therapy two, three hours a week. In both patients we found out that all of this great work had done nothing but deal with the alters up here and had not touched the mind-control programming. In fact it was not only intact, but we found that the one who was outpatient was having her therapy monitored every session by her mother, out-of-state, over the telephone, and that she still had intact suggestions that had been give to her at a certain future time to kill her therapist. Now one of the things that I would very carefully check is, I would suggest that you ask the core, not just the unconscious mind, ask the core, "Is there any part inside that continues to have contact with people associated with the Cult? Is there any part inside who goes to Cult rituals or meetings? Is there a recording device inside of Mary," if that's the host's name, "a recording device inside so that someone can find out the things that are said in sessions?" This doesn't mean they're monitored. Many of them just simply have it. "Is there someone who debriefs some part inside for what happens in our therapy sessions?" I have the very uncomfortable feeling from some past experience that when you look at this you will find the large proportion of ritual-abuse victims in this country are having their ongoing therapy monitored. I remember a woman who came in about twenty-four years old, claimed her father was a Satanist. Her parents divorced when she was six. After that it would only when her father had visitation and he would take her to rituals sometimes up until age fifteen. She said, "I haven't gone to anything since I was fifteen." Her therapist believed this at face value. We sat in my office. We did a two-hour inquiry using hypnosis. We found the programming present. In addition to that we found that every therapy session was debriefed and in fact they had told her to get sick and not come to the appointment with me. Another one had been told that I was Cult and that if she came I would know that she'd been told not to come and I would punish her. If anything meaningful comes out in a patient who's being monitored like that -- from what I've learned thus far, they're tortured with electric shocks -- my belief is if they're in that situation you can't do meaningful therapy other than being supportive and caring and letting them know you care a lot and you'll be there to support them. But I wouldn't try to work with any kind of deep material or deprogramming with them because I think it can do nothing but get them tortured and hurt unless they can get into a safe, secure inpatient unit for an extended period of time to do some of the work required. I have a feeling that when you make inquiries you're going to find that probably greater than fifty percent of these patients, if they're bloodline, meaning mother or dad or both involved, will be monitored on some ongoing basis. [Pause] Now when you come below the alters, you then have Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta, so and so forth, the Greek-letter programming and they will then have backup programs. There will typically be an erasure code for the backups. There may be one code that combines all the backups into one and then an erasure code for them, simply one code that erases all the backups. So I will get the code for, let's say, Omega and for all the Omega backups at the same time. After I've asked "What will happen if I give this," I will give the code and then I will say, "What are you experiencing?" They often describe computer whirring, things erasing, explosions inside, all sorts of interesting things. I've had some therapists come back and say, "My Lord, I had never said anything about robots she said something about robots vaporizing." I remember one therapist who'd been with me in several hypnosis workshops and consulted with me about a crisis MPD situation. I told her to inquire about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta. She did. She got back to me saying, "Yeah, I got an indication it's there. What is it?" I said, "I'm not going to tell you. Go back and inquire about some of this." We set an appointment for a week or so hence. She got back with me and said, "I asked what Theta was and she said, 'psychic killers.' I asked her what Delta was and she said 'killers.'" Okay. So I told her about some of this stuff for a two-hour consult. She called back and she said, "This seemed too fantastic. I heard this and I thought, 'Has Cory been working too hard?'" she said, I'm embarrassed to admit it, but she said, "I held you in high professional regard, but this just sounded so off in the twilight zone that I really thought, 'Is he having a nervous breakdown or something?'" She said, "But I respected you enough to ask about this." She said, "I asked another MPD patient and she didn't have any of this." So in this patient she started describing things and how she worked, for example, with an erasure and she was describing things like robots vaporizing and kinds of things. She said, "I hadn't told her about any of these things." Well, here's the problem. There are different layers and I think some of them are designed to keep us going in circles forever. They figured we probably, in most cases, wouldn't get below the alters which they purposefully created.

The way you create Manchurian Candidates is you divide the mind. It's part of what the Intelligence Community wanted to look at. If you're going to get an assassin, you're going to get somebody to go do something, you divide the mind. It fascinates me about cases like the assassination of Robert Kennedy, where Bernard Diamond, on examining Sirhan Sirhan found that he had total amnesia of the killing of Robert Kennedy, but under hypnosis could remember it. But despite suggestions he would be able to consciously remember, could not remember a thing after was out of hypnosis. I'd love to examine Sirhan Sirhan.

It appears that below this we've got some other layers. One is called "Green Programming" it appears. Isn't it interesting that the doctor's name is Dr. Green? One of the questions in a way that does not contaminate is after I've identified some of this stuff is there and they've given me a few right answers about what some of it is, "If there were a doctor associated with this programming and his name were a color, you know, like Dr. Chartreuse or something, if his name were a color, what color would the color be?" Now once in a while I've had some other colors mentioned in about three or four patients that I felt were trying to dissimulate in some way and I don't really believe had this. In one case I got another color and I found out later it was a doctor whose name was a color who was being trained by Dr. Green almost thirty years ago and he supervised part of the programming of this woman under this doctor. I remember one woman couldn't come up with anything. No alter would speak up with anything. I said, "Okay," and we went on to some other material. About two minutes later she said, "Green. Do you mean Dr. Green?" We found this all over. There appears to be some Green Programming below that and I suspect that you get down to fewer and more central programs the deeper you go. Well, all Green Programming is Ultra-Green and the Green Tree. Cabalistic mysticism is mixed all into this. If you're going to work with this you need to pick up a couple of books on the Cabala. One is by a man named Dion Fortune called "Qabala" with a "q," Dion Fortune. Another is by Ann Williams-Heller and it's called "The Kabbalah." I knew nothing about the Cabala. It was interesting. A patient had sat in my waiting area, got there considerably early and drew a detailed multicolored Cabalistic Tree over two years ago. It took me two months to figure out what it was. Finally, showing it to somebody else who said, "You know? That looks an awful lot like the Cabala Tree" and that rang a bell with some esoteric in an old book and I dug it out. That was the background of Dr. Green.

Now the interesting thing about the Green Tree is his original name was Greenbaum. What does "greenbaum" mean in German? Green Tree, Ultra-Tree and the Green Tree. I've also had patients who didn't appear to know that his original name was Greenbaum, volunteered that there were parts inside named Mr. Greenbaum. Now let me give you some information about parts inside that may be helpful to you if you're going to inquire about these things, because my experience is one part will give you some information and either run dry or get defensive or scared and stop. and so you punt and you make an end run and you come around the other direction, you find another part. I'll tell you several parts to ask for and ask if there's a part by this name. And, by the way, when I'm screening patients and fiddling around with this, I throw in a bunch of spurious ones and ask, "Is there a part inside by this name and by that name" as a check on whether or not it appears genuine. For example. "In addition to the core," I ask, "is there a part inside named Wisdom?" Wisdom is a part of the Cabalistic Tree. Wisdom, I've often found, will be helpful and give you a lot of information. "Is there a part inside named Diana?" I mean I may throw in all sorts of things. "Is there a part inside named Zelda?" I've never encountered one yet! Just to see what kind of answers we get. I try to do this carefully. Diana is a part that, in the Cabalistic system, is associated with a part called the Foundation. You will be fascinated to know that. Remember the Process Church? Roman Polanski's wife, Sharon Tate, was killed by the Manson Family who were associated with the Process Church? A lot of prominent people in Hollywood were associated and then they went underground, the books say, in about seventy-eight and vanished? Well, they're alive and well in southern Utah. We have a thick file in the Utah Department of Public Safety documenting that they moved to southern Utah, north of Monument Valley, bought a movie ranch in the desert, renovated it, expanded it, built a bunch of buildings there, carefully monitored so that very few people go out of there and no one can get in and changed their name. A key word in their name is "Foundation." The Foundation. There are some other words. The Foundation is part of the Tree. So you can ask, "Is there something inside known as The Foundation?" I might ask other things to throw people off. "Is there something known as the Sub- Basement?" Well, maybe they'll conceive of something. Or "Is there something known as the Walls?" There are a variety of questions you can come up with, to sort of screen some things. I've also found that there will often be a part called "Black Master," a part called "Master Programmer," and that there will be computer operators inside. How many of you have come into computer things in patients? There will typically be computer operators: Computer Operator Black, Computer Operator Green, Computer Operator Purple. Sometimes they'll have numbers instead, sometimes they'll be called Systems Information Directors. You can find out the head one of those. There'll be a source of some information for you. I will ask inside, "Is there a part inside named Dr. Green?" You'll find that there are, if they have this kind of programming, in my experience. Usually with a little work and reframing, you can turn them and help them to realize that they were really a child-part who's playing a role and they had no choice then, but they do now. You know, they played their role very, very well, but they don't have to continue to play it with you because they're safe here and in fact, "If the Cult simply found out that you talked to me, that they you had shared information with me, you tell me what would they do to you?" Emphasize that the only way out is through me and that they need to cooperate and share information and help me and that I'll help them. So all these parts can give you various information. Now they have tried to protect this very carefully. Let me give you an example with Ultra-Green. I discovered this -- by the way I used to think this programming was only in bloodline people. I've discovered it in non-bloodline people, but it's a bit different. They don't want it to be just the same. I don't think you'll find deep things like Ultra-Green and probably not even Green Programming with non-bloodline people. But let me tell you something that I discovered first in a non-bloodline and then in a bloodline. We were going along and a patient was close to getting well, approaching final integration in a non-bloodline and she suddenly started hallucinating and her fingers were becoming hammers and other things like that. So I used an affect-bridge and we went back and we found that what happened was that they gave suggestions, that if she ever got well to a certain point she would go crazy. The way they did this was they strapped her down and they gave her LSD when she was eight years old. When she began hallucinating they inquired about the nature of the hallucinations so they could utilize them in good Ericsonian fashion and build on them and then combine the drug-effect with powerful suggestions. "If you ever get to this point you will go crazy. If you ever get fully integrated and get well you will go crazy like this and will be locked up in an institution for the rest of your life. They gave those suggestions vigorously and repetitively. Finally they introduced other suggestions that, "Rather than have this happen, it would be easier to just kill yourself." In a bloodline patient then, as I began inquiring about deep material, the patient started to experience similar symptoms. We went back and we found the identical things were done to her.

This was called the "Green Bomb." B-O-M-B. Lots of interesting internal consistencies like that play on words with Dr. Greenbaum, his original name. Now in this case it was done to her at age nine for the first time and then only hers was different. Hers was a suggestion for amnesia. "If you ever remember anything about Ultra-Green and the Green Tree you will go crazy. You will become a vegetable and be locked up forever." Then finally the suggestions added, "And it'll be easier to just kill yourself than have that happen to you, if you ever remember it." At age twelve then, three years later, they used what sounds like an Amytol interview to try to breach the amnesia and find out if they could. They couldn't. So then they strapped her down again, took and gave her something to kind of paralyze her body, gave her LSD, an even bigger dose and reinforced all the suggestions. Did a similar thing at the age of sixteen. So these are some of the kind of booby traps you run into. There are a number of cases where they combined powerful drug effects like this with suggestions to keep us from discovering some of this deeper level stuff. What's the bottom? Your guess is as good as mine but I can tell you that I've had a lot of therapists who were stymied with these cases who were going nowhere. In fact someone here that I told some basic information about this to in Ohio a couple of months ago said it opened all sorts of things up in a patient who'd been going nowhere. That's an often common thing. I think that we can move down to deeper levels and if we deal with some of the deeper level stuff it may destroy all the stuff above it. But we don't even know that yet. In some of the patients I'm working with we have pretty much dealt with a lot of the top-level stuff. I'll tell you how we've done some of that. We'll take and erase one system like Omega. Then we will have a huge abreaction of all the memories and feelings in a fractionated abreaction associated with those parts. I typically find I'll say to them, "Now that we've done this are there any other memories and feelings that any parts that were Omega still have?" The answer's usually "No." At that point I will say, "I usually find at this point in time the majority, if not all, of those parts that used to be Omega no longer feel a desire or need to be different, realizing that you split off originally by them and want to go home to Mary and become one with her again." I use the concept often now -- which came from a patient -- of going home and becoming one with her. "Going back from whence you came" is another phrase I'll use with them. "Are there any Omega parts inside who do not feel comfortable with that or have reservations or concerns about that?" If there are we talk to them. We deal with them. A few may not integrate. My experience is most of the time they'll integrate and we may integrate twenty-five parts at once in a polyfragmented complex MPD. I think it is vitally important to abreact the feelings before you go on. Also for many patients it hasn't seemed to matter the order we go in but I've found a couple where it has. If it doesn't seem to matter I'll typically go Omega, then Delta because they have more violence potential, then Gamma to get rid of the self-deception stuff. What I will do before I just assume anything and do that, is once we've done Omega and showed them that success can occur and something can happen and they feel relief after, I will say to them, "I want to ask the core -- through the fingers -- is there a specific order in which programs must be erased?" You know maybe it doesn't matter but most of the time I found "No." There are cases where we found "Yes." I recommend doing one or two or three of those because they'll produce relief and and a sense of optimism in the patient. But then I would recommend starting to probe for the deeper level things and getting their input and recommendations about the order in which we go. Question?

Q: What has been the typical age and typical gender of this type of person?

Dr.H: I know of this being found in men and women. Most of the patients I know with MPD ritual abuse that are being treated are women, however. I know of some men being treated where we've found this. A while back I was talking to a small group of therapists somewhere. I told them about some of this. In the middle of talking about some of this all the color drained out of one social worker's face and she obviously had a reaction and I asked her about and she said, "I'm working with a five-year-old boy," and she said, "Just in the last few weeks he was saying something about a Dr. Green." I went on a little further and I mentioned some of these things and she just shook her head again. I said, "What's going on?" She said, "He's been spontaneously telling me about robots and about Omega." I think you will find variations of this and that they've changed it, probably every few years and maybe somewhat regionally to throw us off in various ways but that certain basics and fundamentals will probably be there. I have seen this in people up into their forties including people whose parents were very, very high in the CIA, other sorts of things like that. I've had some that were originally part of the Monarch Project which is the name of the government Intelligence project.

Question in the back?

Q: I'm still not grasping how one starts, how you find out how to erase. How do you get that information?

Dr.H: I would say, "I want the core, if necessary, using the telepathic communication ability you have to read minds," because they believe in that kind of stuff, "so I'll use it..." I was trained in Ericsonian stuff, "...to obtain for me the erasure code of all Omega programs. When you've done so, I want the yes-finger to float up." Then I ask them to tell it to me. "Are there backups for Omega programs?" "Yes." "Okay? How many backups are there?" "Six," they say, let's say. It's different numbers. "Is there an erasure code for all the backup programs?" "No." "Is there an erasure code that combines all the backups into one?" "Yes." "Obtain that code for me and when you've go it give me the yes-signal again." It can move almost that fast in some cases where there's not massive resistance.

Question?

Q: Yes, can you tell me what you know about the risks to the therapist? [Laughter]

Dr.H: You would have to ask.

Q: Yeah, I'd like to know that. What kind of data do you have given that you've had contact with large numbers of people. Not just threats but also any injury, any family problems that have arisen. That's one question. A second one is are you aware of anybody that you've treated -- or others -- with this level of dissociation and trauma that have recovered? Integrated? Whole and happy?

Dr.H: Okay, I have one non-bloodline multiple, complex multiple who had this kind of programming where they have a lot of access to the patient as neighbors and where the doctor, by the way, you'll find physicians heavily involved. They've encouraged their own to go to medical school, to prescribe drugs to take care of their own, to get access to medical technology and be above suspicion. There have been a couple, in fact, in Utah who've been nailed now. We now in Utah have two full time ritual-abuse investigators with statewide jurisdiction under the Attorney General's Office to do nothing but investigate this. [Applause] Okay? In a poll done in the State of Utah in January by the major newspaper and television station, they found that ninety percent of Utahans believe that ritual abuse is genuine and real. Not all of them believe it's a frequent occurrence but some of that was imparted from two years of work by the Governor Commission on Ritual Abuse, interviewing, talking, meeting people, gathering data. Now when people say, by the way, "There's no evidence. They've never found a body," that's baloney. They found a body in Idaho of a child. They've had a case last summer that was convicted on first-degree murder charges, two people that the summer before that were arrested where the teenaged girl's finger and head were in the refrigerator and they were convicted of first-degree murder in Detroit. There have been cases and bodies. Back to risk. I know of no therapist who's been harmed. But patients inform us that there will come a future time where we could be at risk of being assassinated by patients who've been programmed to kill at a certain time anyone that they've told and any member of their own family who's not active. If that would come about is speculative. Who knows for sure? Maybe, but I don't think it's entirely without risk.




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A question in the back?

Q: It seems to me that there seems to be some similarity between these kinds of programming and those people who claim that they've been abducted by spaceships and have had themselves physically probed and reprogrammed and all of that sort of thing. Since Cape Canaveral is across the Florida peninsula from me and I don't think that they've reported any spaceships lately, I was just wondering is there any sort of relationship between this and that?

Dr.H: I'll share my speculation, that comes from others really. I've not dealt with any of those people. However, I know a therapist that I know and trust and respect who I've informed about all this a couple of years ago and has found it in a lot of patients and so on, who is firmly of the belief that those people are in fact ritual-abuse victims who have been programmed with that sort of thing to destroy all their credibility. If somebody's coming in and reporting abduction by a flying sauce who's going to believe them on anything else in the future? Also as a kind of thing that can be pointed to and said, "This is as ridiculous as that." All I know is that I recently had a consult, a telephone consult, with a therapist where I had been instructing her about some of this kind of stuff. When we were consulting at one point in the fifth or sixth interview she said, "By the way, do you know anything about this topic?" I said, "Well, not really" and shared with her what I shared with you. I said, "If it were me being with this guy..." that she'd been seeing for a couple of months, I said, "I would ask inside for the core to take control of finger-signals and inquire about Alpha, Beta, Delta, Theta." She proceeded to do all that, got back to me a week later and said, "Boy, were you on target. There is a part inside named Dr. Green. There's this kind of programming."

Yes?

Q: What's the difference between this kind of program and cult-type abuse and Satanic abuse in the kind of cults with the candles and the...

Dr.H: This type of programming will be done in the cults with the candles and all the rest. My impression is this is simply done in people where they have great access to them or they're bloodline and their parents are in it and they can be raised in it from an early age. If they are bloodline they are the chosen generation. If not, they're expendable and they are expected to die and not get well. There will be booby traps in your way if they aren't non-bloodline people that when they get well they will kill themselves. I'll tell you just a little about that. My belief is that some people that have ritual abuse and don't have this have been ritually abused but they may be may be part of a non-mainstream group. The Satanism comes in the overall philosophy overriding all of this. People say, "What's the purpose of it?" My best guess is that the purpose of it is that they want an army of Manchurian Candidates, ten of thousands of mental robots who will do prostitution, do child pornography, smuggle drugs, engage in international arms smuggling, do snuff films, all sorts of very lucrative things and do their bidding and eventually the megalomaniacs at the top believe they'll create a Satanic Order that will rule the world. One last question. Then I'll give you couple of details and we need to shift gears.

Q: You have suggested and implied that at some point at a high level of the U.S. Government there was support of this kind of thing. I know we're short of time, but could you just say a few words about the documentation that may exist for that suggestion?

Dr.H: There isn't great documentation of it. It comes from victims who are imperiled witnesses. The interesting thing is how many people have described the same scenario and how many people that we have worked with who have had relatives in NASA, in the CIA and in the Military, including very high-ups in the Military. I can tell you that a friend and colleague of mine who has probably the equivalent of half the table space on that far side of the room filled with boxes with declassified documents from mind-control research done in the past which has been able to be declassified over a considerable -- couple of decades -- period and has read more government documents about mind control than anyone else, has a brief that has literally been sent in the past week and a half asking for all information to be declassified about the Monarch Project for us to try to find out more. Now let me just mention something about some of the stuff that my experience is in several patients now that you may run into late in the process. I know I'm throwing a lot at you in a hurry. Some of it is completely foreign and some of you may think, "Gosh, could any of this be true?" Just, you know, ask. Find out in your patients and you may be lucky and there isn't any of this. Somewhere at a deep level you may run into some things like this. Let me describe to you, if I can find my pen, the system in one patient. One patient I had treated for quite a while, a non-bloodline person. We had done what appeared to be successful work and reached final integration. She came back to me early last year and said she was symptomatic with some things. I started inquiring. I found a part there we'd integrated. The part basically said, "There was other stuff that I couldn't tell you about and you integrated me and so I had to split off." I had done some inquiring about things like Alpha, Beta as a routine part of it and found they were there and I said to this part, "Why didn't you tell me about this stuff?" She said, "Well, we gave you some hints but they went right over your head." Says, "I'm sorry, but we know that you didn't know enough to help us but now we know you can." So the stuff started coming out. It was interesting. She described the overall system -- if I can remember it now -- as being like this. The circle represented harm to the body, a system of alters whose primary purpose was to hurt her including symptoms like Munchhausen's, self- mutilation, other kinds of things. Each of the triangles represented still another different system. She said, "With the exception of me," this one part, "you dealt with the whole circle with the work that we did before but you didn't touch the rest of the stuff." Okay. In the middle of all this was still another system consisting of the Cabalistic Tree, which some of you are aware, looks approximately like this with lines in between and so on and so forth. There's a rough approximation. That represented another system. Then once we got past that she implied that this entire thing was somehow encompassed by, what do you call it, an hourglass. I kept thinking we were at final integration then I'd find some other parts. This person had an eagle- eye husband that was watching for certain things that we found to be reliable indicators. So often I would get evidence of dissociation within a few days. It would suddenly be picked up. You know, what we found was I continued to find evidence of dissociation and I'd find parts. Finally this part, as I got angry with him and said, "Why when I give these ideomotor inquiries am I getting lied to?" This part said, "Because you don't understand. You're going to get us all killed." We started talking and then she basically said, "It's been programmed so that if you succeed and think you've succeeded, you will fail. They build it in as a way to laugh at you, that if you ever get us integrated, we will die." Here's what she said, this part said, "I'm one of twelve disciples," and I've seen this in others, twelve disciples within this hourglass each of whom had to memorize a disciple-lesson which were basic Satanic kind of premises, philosophies of life like "be good to those who hurt you, hate those who are nice to you," on and on and on. There may be two or three sentences like that associated with each that they had to memorize them. They said, "We are like grains of sand falling and when the last grain of sand falls, there's Death." I said, "Is Death a part?" "Yes. When the last grain of sand falls the Sleeping Giant awakens." The Sleeping Giant was Death, who was then to kill them on Day-One or Day-Six after awakening unless certain things were followed and we did some of those. Well we also found Death had a sister as a backup, used with mirrors to create the sister part. We had to get past and deal with that too. Death had certain things that they said had to be done to integrate. I started to say, "Oh, come on, they lied to you before." She said, "Wait a minute. This what they said you'd say. They said that no doctor would ever believe that they had to go these extremes to get us well and that's part of the reason they'd fail." I said, "Well, tell me, tell me again." She said, "I have to be dressed all in red. I have to have Demerol onboard, have taken Demerol. A code has to be given and it has to be in a room that's totally dark. It has to happen on Day-One or Day-Six after this part's been awakened." I said what I'd have to lose? I had a psychiatrist give her a little Demerol. We used the code. My office didn't have any windows anyway. It was pretty easy. Oh, and there had to be four, I think, candles lit. Well, fine. So we did it and everything went well. Maybe it would have gone well if we hadn't done it, but I decided not to take the chance and to trust the patient maybe. Well, so we go on and then we find another part. There's Death And Destruction, another backup also with a sister that we had to get through. In fact, I think there were two backups there. Interestingly, the very last part was an extremely nice part, made especially that way so that they wouldn't want to lose them because they would be so adorable and so loving and so sweet that they wouldn't want to maybe get rid of them. Then we found that she continued to have these feelings with this last part left now of darkness and blackness inside. What did we find? A curtain. She said, "They assumed that if you ever got to this point, you would," and along the way, by the way, we had encountered this stuff about the LSD stuff, the Green Bomb programming. The message was that she said, "There is a curtain behind which are the remaining feelings and memories, but it can't be opened from the middle. It's like a stage curtain. It has to opened this way," that it can't be opened. They assumed that you would try to deal with all the feelings. That can't be opened until you've dealt with that last part and they've integrated. So far it looks like we've got integration that's holding. So I found Death And Destruction and the Hourglass in non-bloodline. "The Tree and the Hourglass," this patient informed me, "were made of sand because we were meant to die. We're expendable. We're the unchosen generation." I've heard variously that it's crystals or blood that fills the Hourglass in bloodline people. By the way, you can do real simple things like turn the Hourglass on its side so nothing can fall out, so time stands still to be able to do certain kinds of work. Spread the grains of sand on the seashore so that they can't be numbered and the time will not be counted. Got that idea from a ritual-abuse victim who had seen some of this kind of programming done that another therapist was seeing. So those would be just a few other hints about things that may be helpful or meaningful. We're talking about very intensive things and at deep levels to to me this give us two things. One thing it gives to me is hope because it gets to material and it makes progress like nothing else we've ever seen with these people who have it. The second thing it does for me is it demoralizes me, too, because although three years ago I had a pretty good idea about the extent and breadth of what they'd one to these victims, I had no real appreciation for the depth and breadth and intensity of what they'd done.

I want to come back to the other question over here now. The other question is how many of them can get well? We don't know. In most things in the mental health profession we accept two-thirds of the patients are going to improve, maybe seventy percent. There's very little we can get everybody well. I think one of the sad things we have to face is that many of these patients will probably never be well. My personal belief is that if they are being messed with their only hope of getting well is if they can somehow get out of contact. Now I know patients who've gone to other states and simply had deep- level alters pick up the phone and call and said, "This is our new address and phone number" so that they could be picked up locally. I mean in an inpatient unit for an extended period of time. If they are in a Cult from their area and they are still being monitored and messed with, my own personal opinion is we can't get them well and can't offer more than humanitarian caring and supportiveness. Lots of therapists do not like to hear that. That's my opinion. I believe that if somehow they're lucky enough to be wealthy enough to have protection, to have somehow gotten away in some way and we can work with them without being messed with, that they have a chance to reach some semblance of normality and livability with enough intensive work. My own personal belief is I don't think anybody with this kind of programming is well in this country yet. There are some who are well along the way. I've got a couple who are well along in their work and have done a tremendous amount, but they're clearly not well yet.

Q: Could you speculate on the relationship between this stuff and the fantasy games that have been proliferating, Dungeons and Dragons and that sort of thing?

Dr.H: Well, there are a lot of things out there to cue people. You want to see a great movie, interesting movie, to cue people? Go see "Trancers II." You can rent it in your video shop. Came out last fall. One night in sheer desperation for something at the video store, you know? Nine o'clock on Friday night. Everything's gone. I rented a couple of movies and one of them is that. Fascinating. They're talking about Green World Order. Yes, "Trancers II." And who is the production company? Full Moon Productions. I couldn't see much cuing in "Trancers I," but who's the production company in "Trancers I"? Alter Productions. There are lots of things around that are cuing. There's an interesting person in the late sixties who talked about the Illuminati. Have any of you ever heard of the Illuminati with regard to the Cult? Had a patient bring that up to me just about exactly two years ago. We've now had other stuff come out from other patients. Appears to be the name of the international world leadership. There appear to be Illuminatic Counsels in several parts of the world and one internationally. The name of the international leadership of the Cult supposedly. Is this true? well, I don't know. It's interesting we're getting some people who are trying to work without cuing who are saying some very similar things. There was an old guy in Hollywood in the late sixties who talked about the infiltration of Hollywood by the Illuminati. Certainly what some patients have said is all of this spook stuff, horror stuff, possession and everything else that's been popularized in the last twenty years in Hollywood is in order to soften up the public so that when a Satanic world order takes over, everyone will have been desensitized to so many of these things, plus to continually cue lots of people out there. is that true? Well, I can't definitely tell you that it is. What I can say is I now believe that ritual-abuse programming is widespread, is systematic, is very organized from highly esoteric information which is published nowhere, has not been on any book or talk show, that we have found all around this country and at least one foreign country.

Let's take a couple of quick questions and we need to get on to other material. Yes?

Q: Do you have any techniques for decreasing your level of uncertainty that a patient is or is not being still tampered with, "messed with," as you said?

Dr.H: Just that I would ask several of the parts I've inquired about, Core, Diana, Wisdom, Master Programmer, several parts inside I would ask about these sorts of things and I will keep asking it. As you do additional work and get a bit further, I would ask again to find out. In the back?

Q: I wonder if you've heard or you know of the Martin Luther Bloodline?

Dr.H: The what?

Q: Martin Luther Bloodline?

Dr.H: I know nothing about Martin Luther Bloodline. I'll give you one other quick tip. Ask him about an identification code. There's an identification code that people have. It will involve their birth date. It may involve places where they were programmed and it will usually involve a number in there that will be their birth order, like zero-two if they were second-born. It will usually involve a number that represents the number of generations in the Cult, if they are bloodlines. I've seen up to twelve now, twelve generations.

Q: I have seen a lot of the things you've been describing today in several patients. I wanted to ask you a question about the Seven Systems. You mentioned something about systems here. Are there Seven Systems?

Dr.H: There has been that described in some patients, yes, the Seven Systems.

Q: Could you say what that is or a little diagram?

Dr.H: I don't think we know enough to know what it is, honestly. I think it may have to do with Seven Cabalistic Trees.

Q: Have you ever had any evidence where any of these people have been tagged and there have been anything of their body-parts that might be related to this, private parts in particular?

Dr.H: Well, there are certainly people that have had tattoos, that have had a variety of other kinds of things, some of which have been, you know, documented in cases, but I mean to say, well, maybe they did that to themselves or had it done consciously to really prove something, not that occurs to right off the bat. Let me just take this one last question back and we need to go on to other material because we're never going to get through it all. I'll just ask you to hold your question.

Q: It's not a question but I wanted to say for myself, personally, and perhaps for others here as well, I wanted to thank you very sincerely for taking this time to come forward. [Applause]

Dr.H: Well, [Applause]

Q: Does anyone want to join us for a standing ovation for this material? It's wonderful. [Sustained applause]

Dr.H: A dear friend who's one of the top people in the field, who I know has had death threats, but I know struggled for professional credibility in believing in MPD and was harshly criticized for even believing in that ten and fifteen years ago, and struggled to a point of professional credibility. I think in his heart of hearts he knows it's true, but he will say things like, "I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow it was an international conspiracy and I wouldn't be surprised to find tomorrow that it is an urban myth and rumor." He tries to stay right on the fence and the reason is because it's controversial, because there is a campaign underway saying these all false memories induced by, along with incest and everything else, by "Oprah" and by books like "The Courage to Heal" and by naive therapists using hypnosis. It's controversial. My personal opinion has come to be if they're going to kill me, they're going to kill me. There's going to be an awful lot of information that's been put away that'll go to investigative reporters and multiple investigative agencies, if it happens, and an awful lot of people like you , I hope, that if I ever have an accident will be pushing for a very large-scale investigation. I think we have to stand up as some kind of moral conscience at some point and I tried to wait until we had gotten enough verification from independent places to have some real confidence that this was widespread. I know we've gone like a house afire to try to pack as much as I could in for you. I hope it's given you some things to think about and some new ideas and I appreciate being with you. [Long sustained applause]

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Wyzyrd , thank you so much for the information. Here is what I know about my sisters case. My mothers family were all sexually abused by their father, whose name is one connected to the 13 families. My father's brother was in the SS and an Air Force lifer. My sister was shattered with shocks , treated as a hunted animal and was trained as a child prostitute. Her training was on a military base and she was flown on airplanes during at least a part of her programming. She was always "strange", she rarely developed relationships with others outside our family. I can only think of 4 people she would call friends out of her entire life. She is now 62 . She had been in therapy for 20 years, but did not deal with her DID during this therapy at all, but she had some sessions with a man named Dizdor during her late 40's where it all come out. She has had, every 4 years, a contact, which tried to use a signal to cause her to commit suicide. In the last few times they were faculty members from Bob Jones University in SC, where I understand there is a coven.

She told me once, "I wonder what joy would feel like. "

My father was a recipient of her sexual skills. He is a predatory pedophile and has sexually abused almost every little girl he has been close to and had opportunity with. He moved due to illness on the family property where my sister resides, and she immediately quit therapy. Protection of him is why. It is also why she identifies me as an enemy. While I have forgiven my father , for my own sake, I refuse to pretend it never happened. That is why her alters want me dead. I am so thankful for my stubborn personality. If you hit me, I hold it in my heart forever. I do not ever take what is said at face value. I was not trainable. I was adopted into this family. My birth family were some of the most headstrong people on the face of the earth, both sides. My adopted father was a deacon in a Baptist Church and sent me to their schools most of my life. While I have a great love for YHWH, I do not have any respect for organized religion of almost any sort or their god whom I believe to be the adversary of my own. I love the manuscripts, but realize the so called Bible has been rewritten to support the lie and the liars. Without wisdom and much time, its hard to find the real truth in it. When you do, things are clearly approaching a crescendo.

Some one on here talked about how babies love to put their arms about little puppies in love, well not when they are born into families who are tied into ritual abuse. Those kids even when they have not gone through programming, hide under the desk, til the maid gets there at 9. ( that was me) Your vision is lovely, but far from reachable as long as my sister and her alters are in charge of the home. No matter how much I do, no matter what I say, she is not reachable, either by love or truth. I am thinking one reason I am more than 1000 miles away from her is to save my life since I have learned so much in the last 10 years. While she is reticent to take her own life, on more that one occasion she has talked favorably about taking my own.

And not only are my sister's programmers still in charge, they have expanded their grasp to include the entire world. These are the real terrorists. Those who funded my sister's programming have funded the programming of millions who are living, breathing time bombs all around us. They are currently using different type programming and tricking those who love the teachings of Mohammad to convince young men and women to offer their lives in order to cause a world wide war. So are we not in the midst of WW3? Albert Pike told us it would happen in 1897, it is the same group he belonged to then that is bringing the plan to fruition and who programmed all these assassins in our midst. Their plan while uncovered is only realized by such a few, it seems to me if you are not programmed then you are entranced not to notice the bizarre world in which we find ourselves living.

I have forgiven, I do wish to embrace my sister, but trust me, I know , I would be smiling into her face and receiving my death from the hand reaching around to stab me from behind, not a hug.

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George LoBuono wrote:
phatman, from a book I'm writing:

Aliens both see, and think, in terms of a new kind of physics.


I don't believe it is new. I believe it is hidden. It will continue to be hidden until people stop looking at Scientific Dogmas like religions. True science is neither old nor new. It is... the reality which we can not even fathom as yet. To say that aliens can fathom physics much more than we is a mistake. Much of the physics we now share is quickly narrowing the gap. To say that aliens don't have anything to learn is to assume that the universe is finite. What we are discovering is that the universe appears to be infinite. Scientist just a few months ago have said that they now believe that the universe is at least 3 orders of magnitude larger than what they believed it to be. Everyone must continue the learning process or they are relligated to the dogmas which turn into rhyme and ritual.

Welcome aboard George. You should go through the GT archives. Their is a vast amount of meat to be had there. Just when you thought you have read it all, there are jewels which shine like the crazy diamonds.

You should also check out the work of Nassim Haramein here.. http://www.theresonanceproject.org/ His work on the unified field theory is going to change everything.

I plan to write a new theory on transmission lines. I believe that applied science will remove the dogmas which plague physics today. Nassim is bucking the system to, I like that..

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