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Post UFOs over Turkey
Has everyone seen these videos from the UFO sightings in Turkey? They remind me of the animations that started popping up on the 'net not that long ago. These clips were dissected and found to be "not a hoax", but I'm still skeptical. However, they make a pretty good case....

http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?fx=sayfa_a ... burgaz.asp

http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?fx=sayfa_a ... z_2008.asp

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Post Re: UFOs over Turkey
Dondep wrote:
Has everyone seen these videos from the UFO sightings in Turkey? They remind me of the animations that started popping up on the 'net not that long ago. These clips were dissected and found to be "not a hoax", but I'm still skeptical. However, they make a pretty good case....

http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?fx=sayfa_a ... burgaz.asp

http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?fx=sayfa_a ... z_2008.asp

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Don, I reckon we discussed these Turkish ufo videos on the g-t back in the Summer of 2007. I clearly remember a still taken from one of the videos showing two grey beings through a window on the saucer-shaped craft. The videographer is obviously using his zoom to the max, and finding it difficult to keep the saucer-shaped craft in frame some of the time. Definitely genuine, I'd say.

As for the different hovering craft shot this year in Turkey, both in daylight and in the darkness, I'd say they're all the real McCoy as well, which is refreshing considering all the amateur CGI crap that's been appearing on YouTube of late.


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Post MAJ and the Illuminati
Dialectic: The Most Often Used Illusion

In reading through the various threads, I can see why no one has read the information about the Dragon Court or why it is so important. The Dragon Court and the Illuminati are one and the same. Now, here is the real shocker: members of Maj are illuminati/Dragons as well. They want the world to believe that it is ETs that want to kill humanity, but it is not. The fact is that the same group of rich and powerful people have been working together to rid themselves of the pesty "middle class" whom they regard as poseurs and troublesome because the middle class has morals and believes in laws etc. It is the pesky middle class that unseated the royals in Europe and has clamored for rich people to be jailed when they commit crimes.

One of the most favorite tricks of the Illuminati is to create what appear to be two sides to an issue. These two sides battle things out until a new compromise point is reached. This process is called a "dialectic." However, what the Illuminati do is to create/mold and guide BOTH SIDES. It was the Illuminati who funded Marx and the UNITED STATES at the same time. It was the Illuminati who funded Hitler and his opponents at the same time.
It is the Illuminati who have funded both the democrats and republicans in the US as well as the various versions of the liberal and conservative parties all over the world. It was the Illuminati who convinced the public that having more than two parties leads to anarchy.

How have these people controlled the world so well? By owning all the central banks and the primary source of energy. Who are some of their members? You probably know that the royalty of the Netherlands are Illuminati, but what you might not know is that so are the Rockefellers, the Bushes, the Cheneys and most of the Whos who in the Skull and Bones, Bilderbergers, Trilaterals etc. For many years, the primary person pulling the strings behind the scenes was John D. Rockefeller...then it was David Rockefeller. John was a serious Christian who just committed a lot of sins. David, evidently decided, that it since John ended up barracaded in his house with his dead wife's body that it was better to be evil and behind the scenes.

If you aren't familiar with history, all of this is going to sound very strange to you, so let me suggest some reading that will get you up to speed very very fast. Google "The Plot to Steal the White House." You will discover that some of the wealthiest families in this country tried to take the US fascist in the 40s AND THEY FUNDED HITLER BEHIND THE SCENES. If you look at the picture of Ike signing the standing military law (against the Constitution--by the way), the man standing next to him in the photo is: PRESCOTT BUSH. That is not an accident. The Bushes have long been Rockefeller lackeys until they decided to scoop up their own power...source. I would also suggest reading Michael Crichton's book, "Prey."

The Illuminati and certain crooked Maj members have been trying to genetically engineer themselves to become a new "super race" based upon the reptilian race from Alpha Draconis. They wanted to kill off everyone but about 500 million people who would become their servants in the NWO. They believed that they would be safe from the various viruses that they set loose because of their "dragon" blood. They were against disclosure because they knew that if the public realized that there was never any need to pollute the world with radioactivity, petrochemicals and artificial fertilizers because WE HAD BEEN OFFERED FREE ENERGY ETC....the public would be outraged. They would realize that they had been conned simply to make several very greedy families extremely wealthy.

The plot against humanity is even worse, but let's leave this discussion until next time...along with "why worship Lucifer?"

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Post Re: UFOs over Turkey
Dondep wrote:
Has everyone seen these videos from the UFO sightings in Turkey? They remind me of the animations that started popping up on the 'net not that long ago. These clips were dissected and found to be "not a hoax", but I'm still skeptical. However, they make a pretty good case....

http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?fx=sayfa_a ... burgaz.asp

http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/?fx=sayfa_a ... z_2008.asp

http://www.disclose.tv/members/action/v ... t_footage/
Check this one out.the fun starts around 3 min mark

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http://www.disclose.tv/members/action/v ... t_footage/
Check this one out.the fun starts around 3 min mark


AntZ, the link comes up saying "Authorization required", and the viewer has to log in with username and password. Any way to use the Freecorder and upload for us all to view?

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MK; as mjc just reminded me about the Turkish UFOs, we've often covered some of these subjects already in detail. Check your mail later; you need a copy of the YellowBook (courtesy of UncleJohn, who has diligently archived it from the beginning 5 years ago), which is the Golden Thread from Day One, complete with nearly all the reference materials we refer to, including all the videos, documents, images, etc. We have discussed these issues before to varying degrees although I haven't heard of the term "Dragon Court" before you so termed it. I would be particularly interested in the effort in the 1940s in the US, though we've discussed the Bush's alliances with fascism frequently. BTW, it was Nathan Rothschild himself who wrote out the check to Karl Marx for The Communist Manifesto (or was it Das Kapital?).....the check was on display in the British Museum up until recently, when it mysteriously disappeared (probably right around the time that the 'interested few' became aware of the Rothschild's true scope of power).

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Kevin Smith's latest show asked the question: "Is the Poleshift underway?" His guest at the other end of the telephone was someone called Walter Bosley, who claims to be a former USAF OSI Special Agent. Bosley and the host went on to discuss the data from Gravity Probe B, the "tear" in the ionosphere, and the nine seismic events that had taken place recently along the shifting Magnetic north pole between 4 and 6 on the Richter Scale during an 18 hour period. Bosley said all these anomalies were good evidence for the beginnings of a pole shift. He said that the magnetic north pole was moving around faster than usual -- 41km this year compared with 10 km 3 years ago. He explained this as the new position that the North pole "was going to set in."

Bosley thinks the effects of the shift are going to be cataclysmic, with the earth wobbling between 17 and 20 degrees before it sets in its new position.

The funny thing is Bosley got cut off as he and Smith were discussing safe places to ride out the poleshift in continental USA. Perhaps the phone line got the chop deliberately by the spooks listening in, although Kevin Smith's beeping telephone system does occasionally throw a spanner into the works.:lol:

When they did talk about safe places, the guest served up nothing new -- telling listeners to "follow the money" to the Denver/Colorado area. I think he recommended that the further east you go, the safer you'll be, until Kevin Smith brought up the prospect of Yellowstone Park blowing to Kingdom Come. Later on, Smith mentioned the New Madrid fault, and said that the Mississippi river is the actual faultline itself, which I never knew.

When the subject switched to why we haven't heard of being in a binary star system in mainstream life, Bosley went off on a tangent and spoke about the hollow earth theory and a possible binary twin "sun" residing in the centre of the earth. He did admit it sounded ludicrous -- too right -- but revealed to Smith that he had been told this info by a former employee of the Atomic Energy Commission who had also worked at Area 51, or something like that.

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Scientists Find Increased Methane Levels In Arctic Ocean


ScienceDaily (Dec. 18, 2008) — A team led by International Arctic Research Center scientist Igor Semiletov has found data to suggest that the carbon pool beneath the Arctic Ocean is leaking.

The results of more than 1,000 measurements of dissolved methane in the surface water from the East Siberian Arctic Shelf this summer as part of the International Siberian Shelf Study show an increased level of methane in the area. Geophysical measurements showed methane bubbles coming out of chimneys on the seafloor.

“The concentrations of the methane were the highest ever measured in the summertime in the Arctic Ocean,” Semiletov said. “We have found methane bubble clouds above the gas-charged sediment and above the chimneys going through the sediment.”

The new data indicates the underwater permafrost is thawing and therefore releasing methane. Permafrost can affect methane release in two ways. Both underwater and on land, it contains frozen organic material such as dead plants and animals. When permafrost thaws, that organic material decomposes, releasing gases like methane and carbon dioxide. In addition, methane, either in gas form or in ice-like methane hydrates, is trapped underneath the permafrost. When the permafrost thaws, the trapped methane can seep out through the thawed soil. Methane, a greenhouse gas 20 times more powerful than carbon dioxide, is thought to be an important factor in global climate change.

The East Siberian Arctic Shelf is a relatively shallow continental shelf that stretches more than 900 miles into the Arctic Ocean from Siberia. The area is a year-round source of methane to the globe’s atmosphere. However, until recently, scientists believed that much of the area’s carbon pool was safely insulated by underwater permafrost, which is, on average, 11 degrees Celcius warmer than surface permafrost.

Semiletov said this year’s expeditions used both chemical and geophysical measurement techniques, a first in the area. He also noted that while the high-arctic ocean readings were surprisingly high, on par with those from high-arctic lakes, they are still much lower than is being found in subarctic regions.

“That means we cannot extrapolate the subarctic data to the entire Arctic,” he said.

Semiletov, as associate research professor at IARC, leads the International Siberian Shelf Study, which has launched the multiple expeditions to the Arctic Ocean to collect data on methane release of the East Siberian Arctic Shelf. The ISSS includes 30 collaborating scientists from five countries. The project, which gained momentum during the International Polar Year, established more than 1,000 oceanographic stations in the Arctic and performed a few million measurements of methane mixing ratios of the Arctic atmosphere in the last five years. It is part of UAF’s work during IPY, an international event that is focusing research efforts and public attention on the Earth’s polar regions.

Semiletov is a chemical oceanographer who has studied carbon cycling in the arctic atmosphere-land-shelf system with emphasis on carbon dioxide and dissolved methane from both terrestrial and oceanic sources since the early 1990s. He joined the International Arctic Research Center in 2001. Since 2004, he has collaborated with IARC scientist Natalia Shakhova to develop the methane study at IARC.

International Siberian Shelf Study collaborators University of Alaska Fairbanks: Igor Semiletov, Natalia Shakhova, John Kelly, Vladimir Romanovsky, Gleb Panteleev, Sergei Marchenko, Dmitry Nicolsky, Alexander Kholodov; FEBRAS: Oleg Dudarev, Anatoly Salyuk, Irina Pipko, Viktor Karnaukh, Alexander Charkin, Denis Kosmach, Nina Bel’cheva, Svetlana Pugach, Nina Savelieva, Vladimir Iosoupov, Valentin Sergienko; Stockholm University: Orjan Gustafsson, Per Andersson, Jorien Vonk, Laura Sanchez-Garcia, Christoph Humborg, Vanja Alling; Gotheburg University: Leif Anderson, Goran Björk, Anders Olsson, Sara Jutterström, Sofia Hjalmarsson, Irene Wåhlström; Swedish Museum of Natural History: Per Andersson; Utrecht University: Celia Sapart, T. Roeckmanm; Institute of Atmospheric Physics RAS: Georgiu Golytsin, Irina Repina; Moscow State University: Nicolai Romanovskii, Vladimir Tumskoy; University of Manchester: Bart van Dongen; Luleå University of Technology: Johan Ingri, Fredrik Nordblad, Johan Gelting; Oxford University: Don Porcelli.
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Just a spiritual uplift and slow Friday (Freya's Day)

Daemonia Nymphe is without a doubt about one of the most powerful bands out there in the Neo-Pagan Music scene.

Hellenistic Greek Pagans they only play in musical scale of the Ancient World and use only traditional instruments. This is the music of the Ancient Greece and powerfully invoke the Goddesses and Gods there of.

Long live the Pagan Way! And Hail and Praise to Goddesses and Gods of Old!

Mother Earth Returns to her Own! An calls us back to Ancient Groves not only to Heal the Earth but our very souls. An her voice will no longer be silenced. :)


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άγριον, άρρητον, κρύφιον, ερνεσίπεπλον, Ευβουλεύ, πολύβουλε,
Διός καί Περσεφονείης, αρρήτοις λέκτροισι τεκνωθείς, άμβροτε δαίμον
Ευβουλεύ, πολύβουλε, δικέρωτα, δίμορφον, κισσόβρυον, εύιον
ωμάδιον, ταυρωπόν, Διός καί Περσεφονείης αρρήτοις λέκτροισι τεκνωθείς, άμβροτε δαίμον
κλύθι, μάκαρ, φωνής, ηδύς δ' επίπνευσον αμεμ[φ]ής
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Very interesting Mjc. Thx.

Severed Cables in Mediterranean Disrupt Communication (Update3)

By Malcolm Fried and Lars Klemming

Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Internet and telephone communications between the Middle East and Europe were disrupted after three submarine cables between Italy and Egypt in the Mediterranean Sea were damaged.

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Last Updated: December 19, 2008 12:08 EST

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... fer=europe

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Just another sign and omen that we have entered time of the great Purification of the Earth.

Nothing you should worry about Dex, your heart and soul is pure, a gentle soul. You and your loved ones will be shielded by Love. As will all others with such a heart.


Can't say the same for Wall Street though and kingdoms built by the elite and Illuminati. Their world will be ripped from their grip and the gold ripped from their bodies. As good Old Mother Earth turns them over her knee and delivers a spanking powerful enough to knock out their gold teeth from their mouths as they cry out for mercy. An when shes done with that punishment, the rags they will wear will seem like a gift.


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2012 explained by Astralwalker. Worth a read.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/show ... php?t=8441

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2012 explained by Astralwalker. Worth a read.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/show ... php?t=8441
Sure,especially if you have nothing to do for almost 2 hours!! :shock:

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Severed Cables in Mediterranean Disrupt Communication (Update3)

By Malcolm Fried and Lars Klemming

Dec. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Internet and telephone communications between the Middle East and Europe were disrupted after three submarine cables between Italy and Egypt in the Mediterranean Sea were damaged.

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Last Updated: December 19, 2008 12:08 EST

Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... fer=europe

Another mysterious episode of severed fibre optic undersea cables/lines, eh, CB.

France Telecom have said one cut line is located in the Mediterranean between Sicily and Tunisia, but the main damage has been done to three of the four submarine cables running across the Mediterranean and through the Suez Canal. If the fourth cable breaks, then that means a total blackout for the Middle East...


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Hal Turner talks a lot about the NWO, the economic situation, Amero, etc.
Most of you probably know about him. He's very active.
I read he's proudly racist. I'm not sure.
Anyway, yes this is fear-sh*t ... but it is factual right?...so?

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VIDEO! Prisoner-Transport Rail Cars outside NYC

Ridgefield, NJ -- A couple years ago I started hearing about prisoner transport rail cars being ordered by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). According to the people reporting about the rail cars, they were to be used for mass round-ups of people in the USA.

I didn't think too much of it. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist.

Later, I started seeing photos of the FEMA prisoner rail cars ( as shown below) and seeing the photos made me wonder if the conspiracy theorists were actually on to something?

I put the memory of the rail car image in the back of my mind and went on with life.

On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, I was traveling in my car down the New Jersey Turnpike near my home. As I approached mile marker 116.6, I saw something that shook me to my very core: the exact same Prisoner-Transport-Rail-Cars as I had seen on the internet!

These rail cars were secreted away in a remote rail yard near the Public Service Electric Generating Station in Ridgefield, NJ, just 6 miles north, northwest of New York City!

It was about 4:30 in the afternoon when I first saw them and this being Winter, the sun sets around 5. So I raced home, got my video camera and raced back. I brought a hand held 2 million candlepower spotlight with me just in case.

When I arrived back, I was able to get pretty decent video of the first 7 prisoner rail cars. There were MANY more.

These rail cars are what OUR OWN GOVERNMENT is planning to use when they start rounding up "dissidents" and anyone else opposed to the "New World Order (NWO).

Each rail car has two levels, each level with 125 sets of shackles anchored to the walls or floor. Each car thus can transport 250 people. There are no bathrooms. People placed in these rail cars will be treated literally as cattle.

Those who are rounded up will go either to re-education camps or, if they are staunch supporters of a sovereign United States who will not accept being merged into a one world government, they will be killed.

The NWO is actually estimating they will need to kill between 20 and 25 million of us!

Here now, is the video proving these prisoner rail cars actually do exist and they are now being pre-positioned around the country. I personally shot this video on Tuesday, December 16, 2008.

Posted by HalTurnerShow.com at 12/19/2008 08:24:00 AM

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Decades after a notorious experiment, scientists have found test subjects are still willing to inflict pain on others - if told to by an authority figure.

US researchers repeated the famous "Milgram test", with volunteers told to deliver electrical shocks to another volunteer - played by an actor.

Even after faked screams of pain, 70% were prepared to increase the voltage, the American Psychology study found.

Both may help explain why apparently ordinary people can commit atrocities.

Yale University professor Stanley Milgram's work, published in 1963, recruited volunteers to help carry out a medical experiment, with none aware that they were actually the subject of the test.

A "scientist" instructed them to deliver a shock every time the actor answered a question wrongly.

When the pretend 150-volt shock was delivered, the actor could be heard screaming in pain, and yet, when asked to, more than eight out of ten volunteers were prepared to give further shocks, even when the "voltage" was gradually increased threefold.

Some volunteers even carried on giving 450-volt shocks even when there was no further response from the actor, suggesting he was either unconscious or dead.

Similar format

Dr Jerry Burger, of Santa Clara University, used a similar format, although he did not allow the volunteers to carry on beyond 150 volts after they had shown their willingness to do so, suggesting that the distress caused to the original volunteers had been too great.

HAVE YOUR SAY Until humans value the lives of others equal to their own, this will unfortunately continue to be the case Louise, Lincoln, UK

Again, however, the vast majority of the 29 men and 41 women taking part were willing to push the button knowing it would cause pain to another human.

Even when another actor entered the room and questioned what was happening, most were still prepared to continue.

He told Reuters: "What we found is validation of the same argument - if you put people in certain situations, they will act in surprising and maybe often even disturbing ways."

He said that it was not that there was "something wrong" with the volunteers, but that when placed under pressure, people will often do "unsettling" things.

Even though it was difficult to translate laboratory work to the real world, he said, it might partly explain why, in times of conflict, people could take part in genocide.

Complex task

Dr Abigail San, a chartered clinical psychologist, has recently replicated the experiment for a soon-to-be-aired BBC documentary - all the way up to the 450-volt mark, again finding a similar outcome to Professor Milgram.

"It's not that these people are simply not good people any more - there is a massive social influence going on."

She said that the volunteers were being asked to carry out a complex task in aid of scientific research, and became entirely focused on it, with "little room" left for considering the plight of the person receiving the shock.

"They tend to identify massively with the 'experimenter', and become very engaged and distracted by the research.

"There's no opportunity for them to say 'What's my moral stand on this?'"
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Hal Turner talks a lot about the NWO, the economic situation, Amero, etc.
Most of you probably know about him. He's very active.
I read he's proudly racist. I'm not sure.
Anyway, yes this is fear-sh*t ... but it is factual right?...so?

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Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toUwsnOjiwI

Hal Turner blog
December 19, 2008

VIDEO! Prisoner-Transport Rail Cars outside NYC

Ridgefield, NJ -- A couple years ago I started hearing about prisoner transport rail cars being ordered by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). According to the people reporting about the rail cars, they were to be used for mass round-ups of people in the USA.

I didn't think too much of it. I'm not a big conspiracy theorist.

Later, I started seeing photos of the FEMA prisoner rail cars ( as shown below) and seeing the photos made me wonder if the conspiracy theorists were actually on to something?

I put the memory of the rail car image in the back of my mind and went on with life.

On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, I was traveling in my car down the New Jersey Turnpike near my home. As I approached mile marker 116.6, I saw something that shook me to my very core: the exact same Prisoner-Transport-Rail-Cars as I had seen on the internet!

These rail cars were secreted away in a remote rail yard near the Public Service Electric Generating Station in Ridgefield, NJ, just 6 miles north, northwest of New York City!

It was about 4:30 in the afternoon when I first saw them and this being Winter, the sun sets around 5. So I raced home, got my video camera and raced back. I brought a hand held 2 million candlepower spotlight with me just in case.

When I arrived back, I was able to get pretty decent video of the first 7 prisoner rail cars. There were MANY more.

These rail cars are what OUR OWN GOVERNMENT is planning to use when they start rounding up "dissidents" and anyone else opposed to the "New World Order (NWO).

Each rail car has two levels, each level with 125 sets of shackles anchored to the walls or floor. Each car thus can transport 250 people. There are no bathrooms. People placed in these rail cars will be treated literally as cattle.

Those who are rounded up will go either to re-education camps or, if they are staunch supporters of a sovereign United States who will not accept being merged into a one world government, they will be killed.

The NWO is actually estimating they will need to kill between 20 and 25 million of us!

Here now, is the video proving these prisoner rail cars actually do exist and they are now being pre-positioned around the country. I personally shot this video on Tuesday, December 16, 2008.

Posted by HalTurnerShow.com at 12/19/2008 08:24:00 AM

Source: http://halturnershow.blogspot.com/


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Can it really happen here in the USA, could the NWO get away with it Concentration Camps Death Camps?

Well it happened here....

Some quarter million men, women and children. went down those steps into the dressing room and they came out as ash.

This is just one in the death camp. It had four buildings as such and two part time gas chambers. The ovens ran for 20 hours a day for 2 half years and when they the ovens couldn't keep up with the killing. The victims were forced to run naked to the edge of mass graves and shot in the back of the neck by guards.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjSEUIA6QQA

btw... The Greek and Macedonian Jewish communities were "relocated" to Birkenau... chances are Dan Burisch's grandfather went down these steps.


Crematorium II at Auschwitz-Birkenau

This is a virtual reconstruction of the Crematorium II, in Auschwitz-Birkenau. It is an educational project and I'm using a "real time" technology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3EeTFtYr5E


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Dec 19, 2008 ... Stunned residents are claiming to have seen a “UFOs“ in the sky above Halesowen.

Click the link to access the video.

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Also...
Sorry I havn't sent any books out yet...soon though...and...

I want DonD and the team here to know about the developments with our counterparts. I haven't said much..but, be assured I have good reasons for this.
I posted the below the other day for clearity purposes.
You know how it gets over at the p4c.



"Dex" <dexxxaa> wrote:
>
> The Intelligence I'm aware have gone the lengths to help free
people off of drug use. Believe it or not.
> They're like us Wynn, just, more expanded in their abilities and
thinking.
>
> Regardless, whether in the body or out of the body, their mission
is to help refine our consciousness and clean up our acts, so, that
we too can qualify for the greater liberation that's soon to come.
>
> The mysterious Orbs have recently shown me they image themselves as
people in other wavelengths.
> They can feel as solid in their imaged body form when we reside in
their midst of corresponding vibration.
>
> They shocked me with this newly revealed experience. They obviously
felt it necessary because of the distrust I've been building when I
listen the negative.
> I'm developing sight to see them and it worried me not knowing who
the company coming and going, flying through my house on a whim is.
> Who are you I kept asking. Tell me or leave. Well, I've learned
they're not negative and actually have mysterious delightful minds.
> Their energy level is more elevated than ours so they appear
powerful. Their at peace and it seems their busy attending to the
Light Lords work.
>
> I think their a kind of angelic entity. Cross over spirits
overlapping with our world because of the upcoming changes we're all
going to go through. I don't know what Order they are and they didn't
say. They do mention biblical references.
>
> Dex
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I see the other forum has taken upon it self to disrespect the Wolf.

Being a Balt Latvian (Balts btw Lativans, Lithiananians and Estonians were the ONLY Pre-Christen Pagans societies that literally had god of Wolves and Shapeshifters: Vilkis literal translation: “He whose Eyes Glow”) and one who loves this animal since child hood I’d like to set the record straight and clear up some mis conceptions about this most beautiful animal and embodiment of Natural.

Contrary to Fable, Myth, and out right Lies.

Wolf Attacks on Humans (threw out history) are very very very rare. In chance you have a better chance being stuck by lightening, killed by your fellow human then attacked by a wolf.

Wolves and Humans are Top Predators of the Animal Kingdom Humans first and Wolves second. Wolves know this and AVOID humans at all costs. Even so Wolves have been known threw out history to adopt and raise abandoned human children as their Pack Members.

Wolves have a HIGHLY complex Society and Social Structure only comparable to Human Society.

Wolves very rarely if ever are violent to one another choosing instead highly ritualized theatrical displays of Dominance and Submission to get their point across to fellow wolf.


When Wolves hunt its for Survival..

When Humans hunt its often for SPORT and THRILL of Killing. Something all humans should consider.. As to whose really violent.

Wolves mate for Life. If they lose their pair bond, the surviving Wolf will often choose starvation and death joining their mate, instead of taking another.

In Pre-Christian, Nature Religions and Pagan Cultures from North America across the Globe. The Wolf was viewed as a living Symbol of the Noblest Virtures.

Courage
Strength
Loyalty
Wisdom
Honor

And often linked to

Magic
Supernatural
Spiritual World
Afterlife (it was believed by many cultures past and few present) that Wolves were the re-incarnated Spirits of our Ancestry.


In my own homeland Lativa (as well as Lithuania, Estonia and some Norse countries) Wolves were even raised to level of Gods of Forest, Vilkis (personal Pronoun) according to mythology taught the Baltic Tribes the power of the Wolf and Supernatural Arts of Survival as well as Shapeshifiting. Thus assuring our survival in what was then the primordial forests following creation of the Earth.

Indeed the very WereWolf Legends of Europe have their Origins not in Romania but Baltic Countries.

An can be traced back to historical Battle Between was then Teutonic Knights of “Holy Brothers of the Sword” Christian Crusader Knights sent into Baltic Tribal Lands to “Convert the Heathen to the Cross or Give then the Sword!”

The Battle of Saul spills (btw translated Fort of the Sun), in Western Lativa the terror try of Latagalian tribe (then called Lettland) in 1378 ad.

A force of 25,000 Knights had invaded Latagale and began their murderers rampage across our lands. Teaching us the love of their God, by way of sword and death. At Saul pills they encamped before their plans to raise this high holy Pagan stronghold of the Latvians. Starving and out numbered 5 to 1. 5000 Latvian Men, Women, Elderly and Children walked out onto the field. To face them.

The Christian account of the battle (which remains today) spoke of them as deathly silent for a period of hour before the Pagan Druid led them in their “Superstitions” Rituals. Though the Teutonic (German) Knights could make out the God being invoked .. Vilkis. Upon completion of the ritual in Full Moon. Christian Knights let out a great laugh as 5000 Heathens charged the field in what was in Knights bravado a suicide attack for they had the upper hand in equipment and horse.

Only 9 Knights made it back to Christian fort of Riga three months later. Four of the Knights had gone insane and the other five gave account after account of “The Devil Leading 5000 Were-Wolves” against them. Accounts of the 5000 literally in charge turning from men into wolves right before their eyes. Before descending upon their battle lines.

Well I don’t know how much truth resides in the Historical Christian Account. But it did give rise to Were-Wolf Legends of Europe.

Today in Latagale Latvia.. Saulspills hill fort still stands as a Historical Site. In the actual battle field, farmers still plow out Knight Armor on occasion.

An in Latagale Latvia we have a saying.

“Best not leave the Moon shining on your child in its bed; close the drapes at night, For they may in their sleep run wild with the wolves at night.” Taught to me by my Pagan Latvian Grand Mom as she tucked me bed at night.

Of

Course

She

Was

To

Late! *grin*

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Other Facts About Wolves.

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Wolf Factoids

(1) The wolf (Canis lupus ) Order: Carnivore, Family: Canidae

(2) The wolf is the largest in the wild canine family

(3) The coyote evolved separately from the wolf over 500,000 years ago

(4) The wolf has 42 teeth

(5) The wolf has rounded ears

(6) The wolf has a broad heavy muzzle

(7) The wolf has extremely powerful jaws capable of generating 1,500 psi pressure

(8) The wolf has one of the widest ranges of size, shape and color of any mammal in North America

(9) The wolf lives in a pack, family oriented social structure

10) Mating season for the wolf occurs in February and March.

11) The gestation period for the wolf is 63 days

(12) Wolf pups are born in April and May

(13) The average litter size for the wolf is 4 to 7 pups

(14) Litter size for the wolf depends on nutrition factors as well as fitness of the female

(15) Mortality rates for wolf pups can be as high as 50%

(16) Wolves have a vast communication repertoire including scent marks, vocalizations, visual displays, facial and body postures and rituals

(17) Wolves communicate with each other more by harmony and integration rather than by aggression and submission

(18) Wolves are territorial and defend their territory through vocalizations and scent marking

(19) If necessary, wolves will attack other wolf intruders to protect their territory

(20) There are two species of the wolf in North America, the Gray Wolf (Canis lupus ) and the Red Wolf (Canis rufus )

(21) In North America there are 10 recognized sub-species of the wolf

(22) The main threat to wolf populations is loss of habitat

(23) Predation is not violence, it is the act of obtaining food for survival

(24) The wolf is an ultimate predator at the top of the food chain

(25) The wolf is designed for running, catching and killing large animals

(26) The wolf is opportunistic and will attempt to catch the easiest and most vulnerable animal

(27) The wolf can kill healthy animals but naturally seeks out the sick, the weak, crippled, old and young animals

(28) The wolf primarily travels at a 5 mile per hour trot

(29) In chases, the wolf can achieve estimated speeds of between 28 and 40 miles per hour for up to 20 minutes

(30) Radio tracking wolves has been used in wildlife research since 1963

(31) Wolves are vulnerable to skull injury from kicking prey

(32) The canine teeth "interlock" so the wolf can grip and hang on to struggling prey

(33) The back teeth, or carnassial molars, are designed to crush bones and shear meat

(34) The wolf uses facial display in ritual aggression, dominance, submission or fear

(35) The wolf has 2 types of hair, "Guards and "Undercoat"

(36) The hair of the wolf is shed in the spring and summer and sheds out in sheets unlike most dogs

(37) The color of a wolf's pelt can be anywhere from white to black

(38) The wolf uses its hair to communicate anger, dominance and aggression

(39) The wolf's sense of smell is more than 100 times greater than a human

(40) A wolf 'scent rolls' to promote interaction with other pack members

(41) Dominance in a wolf pack is not necessarily established by brawn or direct attack

(42) A wolf 'scent marks' its home range. This serves as messages, and provides warnings

(43) The hierarchy in a wolf pack neutralizes aggression, reduces conflict and promotes social order

(44) There are two hierarchies in a wolf pack, one for females and one for males

(45) Change of rank in a wolf pack is more frequent in lower rank positions

(46) Wolf pups, while low in hierarchy, have many privileges and social freedom

(47) 'Ethology' is the study of animal behavior as a scientific counterpart to human psychology

(48) The "Alpha" wolf is the highest ranking individual within the dominance hierarchy

(49) "You just can't let nature run wild" by Alaska Governor Walter J. Hickel

(50) The "beta" wolf is the second ranking individual within the dominance hierarchy

(51) The "omega" wolf is the lowest ranking individual within the dominance hierarchy

(52) In the winter, the wolf's tail helps keep the face warm

(53) Wolves breed only once a year; most dogs breed twice

(54) In addition to the wolf (Canis lupus ), the genus Canis also contains the domestic dog, the coyote, the golden jackal, the black backed jackal, the side-striped jackal and the dingo

(55) Three (3) geographic races of the red wolf have been recognized; the Florida Red Wolf, The Mississippi Red Wolf and the Texas Red Wolf

(56) Wolves are often confused with Indian dogs, huskies, malemutes and German Shepherd Dogs

(57) Arctic tundra, taiga, plains or steppes, savannahs, hardwood, softwood and mixed forest were all originally inhabited by the wolf

(58) Adult male wolves average ninety-five to one hundred pounds and females about fifteen pounds less

(59) Wolves howl to greet one another, to indicate their location, to define their territorial boundaries, and to call the pack together

(60) Wolves can trot at five to ten miles per hour almost indefinitely

(61) A wolf may spend as much as a third of its time on the move

(62) The wolf is generally a docile animal with a strong aversion to fighting

(63) Submissive behavior plays a big role in maintaining peace within the pack

(64) A wolf's front feet are larger than their back feet

(65) Packs hunt in territories of up to 600 square miles

(66) A pack's home range will sometimes overlap the territory of another pack

(67) In addition to howling, wolves bark, yap, whine, and growl

(68) Litters of up to 14 pups are born in April through June

(69) Pups emerge from the den at about one month of age

(70) All members of a wolf pack take part in caring for the young

(71) When pack members return from the hunt and they are nipped on the snout by the pups, the hunters regurgitate undigested meat for them

(72) Wolves are considered to be competitors with people for game animals such as moose and caribou

(73) Although wolves are feared throughout much of the world, documented attacks on people are extremely rare

(74) Attempts to keep wolves as pets are not usually successful

(75) Wolves use direct scenting, chance encounter, and tracking to locate prey

(76) In scenting an animal, wolves must usually be downwind of the prey

(77) Wolves are active at all times of the day in winter

(78) Where waterways are plentiful, wolves often travel on the windswept and hardpacked ice in winter

(79) Wolves actually have a low hunting success rate

(80) To catch enough food, wolves must hunt often and test many animals before finding one that they can catch and kill

(81) Most packs contain less than eight members

(82) Wolves bear an average of six young per litter(82) Wolves become sexually mature at approximately twenty-two months

(83) Strong bonds are needed to hold a pack together; if there were no bonds, each wolf would go its separate way

(84) Most packs include a pair of breeding adults, pups, and extra adults that may also breed

(85) Ambushing is used by both single wolves and by packs

(86) Wolves at one time had an extensive range, occurring throughout North America, Europe, Asia, and Japan

(87) The only substantial population of wolves left at present in the contiguous 48 states inhabits northern Minnesota

(88) The range of the red wolf once extended from eastern Texas to Georgia and Florida and northward through Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Illinois

(89) The basic unit of wolf society is the pack

(90) The wolf's front teeth are sharp and pointed and adapted to puncturing, slashing, and clinging

(91) The wolf's pointed premolars and molars are useful for tearing and shearing once the prey has been killed

(92) The wolf's massive rear molars aid in cracking and crushing bones

(93) The wolf does little chewing

(94) A wolf can consume almost twenty pounds of prey at a feeding

(95) Wolves can maintain a chase for at least twenty minutes

(96) The wolf feeds almost exclusively on flesh, bones, and other animal matter

(97) Lone wolves have no social territory and rarely scent-mark or howl

(98) The range size for a given pack of wolves depends on many environmental factors, particularly prey density

(99) It is common for wolves to be moving eight to ten hours in a day

(100) A pack may cover distances from 30-125 miles in a day

(101) Wolves possess upwards of two hundred million olfactory cells

(102) A wolf's tail hangs while the tail of the dog tends to be held high and is often curly









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Dondep wrote:
AntZtudiO wrote:
http://www.disclose.tv/members/action/v ... t_footage/
Check this one out.the fun starts around 3 min mark


AntZ, the link comes up saying "Authorization required", and the viewer has to log in with username and password. Any way to use the Freecorder and upload for us all to view?

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MK; as mjc just reminded me about the Turkish UFOs, we've often covered some of these subjects already in detail. Check your mail later; you need a copy of the YellowBook (courtesy of UncleJohn, who has diligently archived it from the beginning 5 years ago), which is the Golden Thread from Day One, complete with nearly all the reference materials we refer to, including all the videos, documents, images, etc. We have discussed these issues before to varying degrees although I haven't heard of the term "Dragon Court" before you so termed it. I would be particularly interested in the effort in the 1940s in the US, though we've discussed the Bush's alliances with fascism frequently. BTW, it was Nathan Rothschild himself who wrote out the check to Karl Marx for The Communist Manifesto (or was it Das Kapital?).....the check was on display in the British Museum up until recently, when it mysteriously disappeared (probably right around the time that the 'interested few' became aware of the Rothschild's true scope of power).


Dear Don,

I am really looking forward to the Yellow Book as being redundant is something that I really want to avoid. I will see if I can find the newspapers articles that you would be the most interested in regarding the activity in the 40s. Some of the materials that I have read are explosive. The Dragon Court is the same as the Merovingian bloodline, the Priory of Sion etc. They all relate to the effort of a small group of people to establish their "divine" right to "rule." The metaphor changes, but the activity is the same.

Kennedy actually referenced Marx's employer in one of the speeches that he gave about the necessity for the absolute and unfettered "freedom of the press." As you probably know, Kennedy ran afoul of the cabal members with two actions: his executive order to dismantle the Fed and his desire to reveal the existence of ETs.

I have to go through my files to get you the articles that you would most benefit from. I am giving you information from memory right now, but I want to convey the SCOPE of perfidiousness of certain members of society worldwide. It is pretty disgusting, but it pales in comparison to what they have done over the last 40 years.

Just so I won't belabor something that this august groups already knows, I would like to ask a few questions:

*how much does the group understand about the klugy activity known as "genetic engineering"

*how much does the group know about nanotechnology and what it's real dangers are?

*how much does the group understand about reproduction, endocrinology etc. and how these systems interact?

I am asking these questions as a prelude to explaining the implications of some of the idiotic decisions made by those who would presume to determine the fate of humanity--the species. There are things going on worldwide that are scary and quite unusual. In particular, there appears to be a historically unnatural higher population of men than women. Do not believe the "cheerful" tone given out by US agencies right now. The numbers are not accurate. Right now, the US has the highest infant mortality in the industrial world.

Looking forward to the Yellow Book.

MK

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http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/Plot1.html

The site above is run by a Canadian group that is opposed to war. I recommend purchasing a copy of their publication because it helps them keep doing their work.


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The McCormack-Dickstein Committee (1934-1935)

By Richard Sanders, Editor, Press for Conversion!

This House committee was named after its chairman and vice chairman, John W. McCormack and Samuel Dickstein. It was called the Special Committee on Un-American Activities Authorized to Investigate Nazi Propaganda and Certain Other Propaganda Activities. In 1934, it held public and private hearings in six cities, questioned hundreds of witnesses and collected testimony filling 4,300 pages. Its mandate was to get “information on how foreign subversive propaganda entered the U.S. and the organizations that were spreading it.”

It did not do well in dealing with homegrown U.S. fascists, nor did it consider how Americans helped spread fascism abroad. It did investigate the fascist plot to seize the White House, but was criticized by John Spivak, Smedley Butler and others, for not revealing – let alone questioning – the powerful men behind the plot. Although it spent more time tracking communist activities than it did fascist ones, its final report on Feb. 15, 1935, did substantiate the truth of the fascist plot. Despite its shortcomings, it was the only “un-American” committee to investigate fascism. It was quickly disbanded and replaced with another such committee that focused entirely on pursuing communists.

Source: Press for Conversion! magazine, Issue # 53, "Facing the Corporate Roots of American Fascism," March 2004. Published by the Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade.

Order a Copy: Order a hard copy of this 54-page issue of Press for Conversion! on the fascist plot to overthrow President F.D.Roosevelt and the corporate leaders who planned and financed this failed coup..
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The House of Morgan

By Richard Sanders, Editor, Press for Conversion!

Many of those instrumental in the plot to oust FDR were linked to Wall Street’s wealthiest banker, J.P. Morgan, Jr. They connected through a variety of banks and corporations that Morgan controlled. Likewise, many of the American Liberty League’s key organizers and funders were also tied to Morgan’s business concerns.
In 1934, when Jerry MacGuire was in Paris studying how veterans’ groups, such as France’s Croix de feu, were used to empower fascist movements and governments, he worked out of J.P. Morgan’s offices. MacGuire also told General Butler that a meeting was held at Morgan & Harjes offices to discuss who would lead the superarmy that Wall Street plotters wanted to use in their plot to seize the White House.

Pioneering antifascist journalist, John Spivak, considered J.P. Morgan, Jr., to be the “ultimate fountain-head of the whole fascist conspiracy of Wall Street” (New Masses, Feb. 5, 1935). Who was this banker that played such a key part behind the scenes? To understand his role, consider this statement by authors of the groundbreaking 1934 book, Merchants of Death:

"In the U.S., the banker is the all-important person in industry.... While few cases are known where an important government official or member of Congress has been a director of an armament firm, all arms manufacturers have important financial connections. In the Morgan group will be found the DuPont Co., Bethlehem Steel Corp., U.S. Steel Corp., together with copper, oil, electric appliances, locomotive, telephone and telegraph interests. This tie-up also leads over into the great banks, including the National City, Corn Exchange, Chase National, etc. It is the Morgan Group of corporation clients and banks which dominate the American arms industry" (Engelbrecht and Hanighen).

The foundation stones of the great House of Morgan banking empire were laid by Junius Spencer Morgan (1813-1890). Living in England, he hailed from a solid New England family of merchants. In 1854, he became a partner in a London bank owned by George Peabody. Ten years later, Morgan took over the bank, renamed it J.S. Morgan & Co. and engaged in foreign exchange and gold speculation.

Meanwhile, his son, John Pierpont Morgan (1837-1913), was being groomed for business. He was sent to Boston’s English high school and then to German universities in Stutingen and Gottingen. The year 1861, was auspicious for young Pierpont. He started his own bank in New York, calling it J.P. Morgan & Co. He sold European securities underwritten by his father’s bank in England.

That was also the first year of the Civil War. Pierpont was 24 and like Andrew Carnegie, Grover Cleveland, Philip Armour, John D. Rockefeller and other privileged young members of the elite class, he paid to avoid military service. Also, like other Robber Barons, he profited greatly from this war and the string of other U.S. wars that followed.

It was in 1861 that Morgan pulled off a cunning scam foreshadowing his career as a high-class confidence man and his tremendous lack of moral scruples. In the 1850’s, the U.S. army had

“condemned as obsolete and dangerous some rifles…. These rifles were...sold by auction… [for] between $1 and $2, probably as curios.” In 1861, he bought 5,000 of the useless weapons for $3.50 each and sold them back to the Army for $22 apiece, making $92,500, a small fortune.
When [General] Frémont’s soldiers tried to fire these ‘new carbines in perfect condition,’ they shot off their own thumbs…. The government refused to pay Morgan’s bill. Morgan promptly sued the govern-ment…. A special commission… allowed half of [his] claim, and proposed to pay $13.31 a carbine. Morgan… sued [again] …and the court promptly awarded him the full sum, because ‘a contract is sacred’" (Engelbrecht and Hanighen, 1934).

After the Civil War, Morgan loaned money to the U.S. treasury at high interest rates. In 1871, he financing the Army’s payroll and in 1877, he refinanced the government’s debt. After his father, Junius, died in 1890, J.P. Morgan began consolidating the family empire. He put himself at the helm of their four main firms, in New York, Philadelphia, London and Paris. Several times in the 1890s, he sold the government gold to shore up the dollar. He also sold official U.S. and British government bonds.

By 1900, Morgan was the main financial force behind several huge monopolies. In 1901, his wealth pulled together the world’s first billion dollar corporation, U.S. Steel. That year, Morgan and rival John D. Rockefeller, also collaborated by creating the Northern Securities Corporation. Morgan interests held 341 directorships in 112 corporations worth $22.2 billion; twice the total value of all property in 13 southern U.S. states.

"The heart of the American economy had been put under one roof, from banking and steel to railroads, urban transit, communications, the merchant marine, insurance, electric utilities, rubber, paper, sugar refining, copper, and assorted other mainstays of the industrial infrastructure" (Korten, 1995).

In 1913, J.P. Morgan died, and his son, J.P. Morgan, Jr. (1867-1943), took over. That year, Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act giving all responsibility for producing and valuing U.S. money to the Federal Reserve System, a group of privately-owned banks. Although U.S. presidents appoint its chairman, Fed decisions are independent. Its creation gave Morgan even more control over monetary levers of power.

In 1914, Morgan’s company became Britain’s official agent for purchasing U.S. goods such as weapons. This was especially lucrative during WWI, when the Allies, mostly Britain, spent $2 billion in America. Morgan’s interests in military sales explain his role in forming the Navy League, which pushed the U.S. into WWI. The League also represented Bethlehem Steel, International Nickel and Carnegie Steel. In 1915, when President Wilson "lifted the ban on private bank loans to the Allies, Morgan [began] lending money in such great amounts as to both make great profit and tie American finance closely to the interest of a British victory in the war" (Howard Zinn, 1995).

The American Legion was the main WWI veteran’s group. Morgan was among its wealthy financiers. He donated $100,000 to its creation:

"At its core were tens of thousands... committed to doing street battle with ‘reds.’ The Legion had been founded by officers as a conscious attempt to rein in angry soldiers who, it was feared, would come home from the war with their head full of Bolshevik ideas" (Ann Zirin, 2002).

Morgan also funded the rise of Italian fascism, in fact, his company was Mussolini’s main overseas bank. In 1926, Morgan partner, Thomas Lamont, who was later the chair of J.P. Morgan Co., secured a $100 million loan for Mussolini. As Noam Chomsky put it, Morgan’s man Thomas Lamont:

described himself as ‘something like a missionary’ for Italian Fascism, expressing his admiration for Il Duce, ‘a very upstanding chap’ who had ‘done a great job in Italy’ and for the ‘sound ideas’ that guide him in governing the country (1991).

In 1930, the Bank for International Settlements (BIS) was created using the “Young Plan,” after Morgan banker, Owen D. Young. Its supposed purpose was to funnel German money to the Allies in reparation for WWI. In reality, the BIS funneled money into Germany to rebuilt its might. Inspired by Hitler’s Economics Minister and Reichsbank president, Hjalmar Schacht, who had lived in Brooklyn, the BIS was owned by the world’s largest central banks, including Morgan’s First National Bank of New York, the Federal Reserve of New York, the Reichsbank and the central Banks of England, Italy and France.

"Sensing Hitler’s lust for war and conquest, Schacht, even before Hitler rose to power in the Reichstag, pushed for an institution that would retain channels of communication and collusion between the world’s financial leaders even in the event of an international conflict. It was written into the Bank’s charter, concurred in by the respective gov-ernments, that the BIS should be immune from seizure, closure or censure, whether or not its owners were at war. The BIS was com-pletely under Hitler’s control by the outbreak of WWII" (Charles Higham, Trading with the Enemy, 1983).

The BIS board included Hermann Shmitz, head of I.G. Farben, the Nazi’s biggest industrial monopoly; Baron Kurt von Schroder, head of Cologne’s J.H. Stein Bank; Walther Funk, a leading Gestapo officer and Reichsbank financier; and Emil Puhlon, a personal appointee of Hitler. Presiding over the Board between 1939 and 1946, was Thomas McKittrick, a U.S. corporate law-yer from Lee, Higginson & Co, that made large loans to the Third Reich.

In 1944, McKittrick met with “his German, Japanese, Italian, British and American executive staff” to discuss

“the $378 million in gold that had been sent to the Bank by the Nazi government after Pearl Harbor for use by its leaders after the war.” Higham explains that this gold “had been looted from the national banks of Austria, Holland, Belgium and Czechoslovakia, or melted down from the Reichsbank holding of the teeth fillings, spectacle frames, cigarette cases and lighters and wedding rings of the murdered Jews.”

As for Morgan’s own bank, it kept a branch open for business in Nazi-occupied France to serve German interests throughout the war.

Morgan’s banking empire has continued to grow and prosper. When Asian markets collapsed in the 1990s, the IMF and U.S. taxpayers spent billions bailing out huge banks like J.P. Morgan, Chase Manhattan, Citicorp and BankAmerica, even though these Wall Street pirates had raked in Asian profits for decades. When Indonesia finally purged itself of General Suharto, the dictator who took over in a CIA bloodbath killing hundreds of thousands of communists, a J.P. Morgan “currency expert,” Ron Leven, said: “Democracy is a desirable form of government, but it’s not necessarily the most efficient form of government.”

J.P. Morgan Chase and Citigroup provided Enron with billions, stage-managing its huge investment deals around the world and arranging a fire-sale buyout by Dynergy that failed. Morgan also played financial backstop for Enron’s various kinds of trading transactions (William Greider, 2002).

In one of the biggest deals ever, J.P. Morgan and Bank One recently agreed to merge to create the world’s second-largest financial enterprise. It will have $1.1 trillion in assets.

References:

Banking Bonanza, Money & Business, 1/26/04
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0401 ... 26bank.htm

David C. Korten, When Corporations Rule the World, 1995
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Korte ... _WCRW.html

Richard Jensen, Civil War part 1 1861-1862
http://tigger.uic.edu/~rjensen/cw-1.htm

Annie Zirin, Federal Bureau of Intimidation: The FBl's record of repression
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/FBI/F ... ation.html

JP MorganChase website
http://www.jpmorganchase.com/cm/cs?page ... milestones

L. Wolfe, FDR vs. the Banks, The American Almanac, July 4, 1994
http://www.members.tripod.com/american_ ... organ1.htm

Charles Higham, Trading With The Enemy, How the Allied multinationals supplied Nazi Germany throughout World War Two, 1983

Representative Bernie Sanders, The American Worker in the Global Economy, Spring 1998

Paul Street, Capitalism and Democracy "Don't Mix Very Well" Reflections on globalization, Z magazine, Feb. 2000

Engelbrecht and Hanighen, Merchants of Death, 1934

Howard Zinn, People's History of the United States

Annie Zirin, "Federal Bureau of Intimidation," International Socialist Review, Jan./Feb. 2002.

Noam Chomsky, Deterring Democracy, 1991

Alfred Mendes, "Money Elites," Spectrezine
http://www.spectrezine.org/global/MendesMoneyElite.htm

William Greider, Crime in the Suites, The Nation, Feb. 4, 2002

Source: Press for Conversion! magazine, Issue # 53, "Facing the Corporate Roots of American Fascism," March 2004. Published by the Coalition to Oppose the Arms Trade.

Order a Copy: Order a hard copy of this 54-page issue of Press for Conversion! on the fascist plot to overthrow President F.D.Roosevelt and the corporate leaders who planned and financed this failed coup.

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The following are among the best sources of information on the plot:

Books:

Jules Archer, The Plot to Seize the White House, 1973
(This is the only book dealing entirely with this fascist coup plot.)

These books have chapters devoted to the fascist coup plot:
George Seldes, 1000 Americans, 1947, pp.292-298. "Table of donations to American fascist organizations that was originally published by Senator Black (74th Congress, 2nd Session, Digest of Data, Special Committee to Investigate Lobby Activities)."
(This is the source for the data in Press for Conversion! #53 on donations to the American Liberty League and its fascist front groups).

John Spivak, A Man in His Time, 1967.

Christopher Simpson, "Bankers, Lawyers and Linkage Groups," The Splendid Blond Beast, 1995.

Gerard Colby, Du Pont Dynasty, 1984

Charles Higham, Trading with the Enemy: The Nazi - American Money Plot 1933-1949, 1983.

David Kyvig, Repealing National Prohibition, 1979.

Video:

In Search of History: The Plot to Overthrow FDR, History Channel
(This is the only video documentary on the coup plot.)
http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=42344

MacCormack-Dickstein Committee documents:
Here are three PDF files containing some of the documents published by the House UnAmerican Activities Committee (HUAC):

HUAC1.pdf:
Investigation of Nazi Propaganda Activities and Investigation of Certain other Propaganda Activities
Public Statement of the Special Commmittee on Un-American Activities
House of Representatives, 73 Congress, Second Session at Washington DC, Nov. 24, 1934 (pages 1-12)

Investigation of Un-American Activites: (part 1 of) Testimony by Gerald C. MacGuire (pages 39-47)

HUAC2.pdf:
Investigation of Un-American Activites: (part 2 of) Testimony by Gerald C. MacGuire (pages 47-87), Testimony by Claude M. Adamson (of Central Hanover Bank) (pages 89-99) and (part 1 of) Resumed Testimony by Gerald C. MacGuire (pages 99-105)

HUAC3.pdf:
Investigation of Un-American Activites: (part 2 of) Resumed Testimony by Gerald C. MacGuire (pages 106-125), Testimony by James Haggett (of Lawyers County Trust) (pages 127-128), Testimony by public accountant James Rempe (pages 129-136) and Testimony by Albert Christmas (Attorney for Robert Clark) (pages 136-162).

Online Articles:

John Spivak, "Wall Street's Fascist Conspiracy: Testimony that the Dickstein MacCormack Committee Suppressed," New , Jan 29, 1935
John Spivak, "Wall Street's Fascist Conspiracy: Morgan Pulls the Strings," New Masses, Feb. 5, 1935
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/spivak-New.pdf

Glen Yeadon, "The 1930s: Nazis Parading on Main Street," The Nazi Hydra in America, 2004.
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html

The Great Depression and the New Deal (1929-1941)
Google cache: http://mciunix.mciu.k12.pa.us/~udhsweb/ ... le1012.htm

"One World Vision, New York City and the CFR," American Babylon - Rise and Fall
http://www.redmoonrising.com/AmericanBabylon/Part4.htm

Barbara LaMonica, "The Attempted Coup Against FDR," PROBE, March-April 1999.
http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr399-fdr.html

L. Wolfe, "Franklin Delano Roosevelt vs. the Banks: Morgan's Fascist Plot, and How It Was Defeated," The American Almanac,
(This is divided into four installments, published: June 27, July 4, July 11, July 25, 1994.
http://www.members.tripod.com/american_ ... organ1.htm
http://www.members.tripod.com/american_ ... organ2.htm
http://www.members.tripod.com/american_ ... organ3.htm
http://www.members.tripod.com/american_ ... organ4.htm

Joseph S. Kennedy, "A plot to take over the U.S.? One military hero's story," Philadelphia Inquirer, Nov. 03, 2002
http://www.macon.com/mld/inquirer/news/ ... 429828.htm

Clayton Cramer, "An American Coup d'État?," History Today, November, 1995
http://www.claytoncramer.com/amcoup.html

Glen Yeadon and John Hawkins, The Nazi Hydra in America , Chapter 5: The 1930s: Nazis Parading on Main Street, Part 1: The Plot Against Roosevelt
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1930s.html

"In the Mists of American Historical Memory: Five Stories," American Idealism website
http://www.americanidealism.com/stories.php?StoryID=47

Plans Hatched & Monies gathered for a coup d'etat in the United States (1934)
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/5 ... tched.html

Steve Kangas, The Great Depression: Timelines of the Great Depression
"The Business Plot to Overthrow Roosevelt"
http://home.att.net/~resurgence/Coup.htm

Mark and Kristi Fisher, "The White House Putsch," Seize the Night website
http://www.carpenoctem.tv/cons/whitehouse.html

David West, "The Low, Dishonest Decade," Hemp Times, Fall, 1999.
http://www.gametec.com/hemp/Thirties.wd6.html

"The Plot to Seize the White House" from What Really Caused World War 2?
http://threeworldwars.com/world-war-2/w ... ground.htm

Book Excerpts online:

Excerpt from Gerard Colby, DuPont Dynasty (Secaucus, NJ: Lyle Stuart, Inc.), pp. 324-330.
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/5 ... colby.html

Excerpt from Hans Schmidt, Maverick Marine: General Smedley D. Butler and the Contradictions of American Military History, University Press of Kentucky (1987).
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/5 ... hmidt.html

Excerpt (re: how Gen. Butler reacted to the House Committee's cover up of conspirators' names),
from Jules Archer, The Plot to Seize the White House, 1973
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listse ... 06402.html

Excerpts (re: Media Cover Up: The Plotters Deny Everything)
from Jules Archer, The Plot to Seize the White House, 1973
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/5 ... nials.html

Excerpts (mostly about Gen. Butler), from Jules Archer, The Plot to Seize the White House, 1973
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/archer excerpts.html

Charles Higham, Trading with the Enemy: The Nazi - American Money Plot 1933-1949, 1983.
"The Car Connection"
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fasci ... n_TWE.html

David Kyvig, Chapter 10, "Champagne and Sour Grapes," Repealing National Prohibition (1979)
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/his ... RNP10.html




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After I straightened up in my chair while reading your questions, I had to crank up my "Rolling Stones rockers" playlist for a couple of doses to fully appreciate a shared consciousness on many of these issues:

Madame_Karnak wrote:
Dondep wrote:

MK; as mjc just reminded me about the Turkish UFOs, we've often covered some of these subjects already in detail. Check your mail later; you need a copy of the YellowBook (courtesy of UncleJohn, who has diligently archived it from the beginning 5 years ago), which is the Golden Thread from Day One, complete with nearly all the reference materials we refer to, including all the videos, documents, images, etc. We have discussed these issues before to varying degrees although I haven't heard of the term "Dragon Court" before you so termed it. I would be particularly interested in the effort in the 1940s in the US, though we've discussed the Bush's alliances with fascism frequently. BTW, it was Nathan Rothschild himself who wrote out the check to Karl Marx for The Communist Manifesto (or was it Das Kapital?).....the check was on display in the British Museum up until recently, when it mysteriously disappeared (probably right around the time that the 'interested few' became aware of the Rothschild's true scope of power).


Dear Don,

I am really looking forward to the Yellow Book as being redundant is something that I really want to avoid. I will see if I can find the newspapers articles that you would be the most interested in regarding the activity in the 40s. Some of the materials that I have read are explosive. The Dragon Court is the same as the Merovingian bloodline, the Priory of Sion etc. They all relate to the effort of a small group of people to establish their "divine" right to "rule." The metaphor changes, but the activity is the same.

So what you call the "Dragon Court" is what I refer to when I say "Sion", because it plays such a prominent role in this 'search for the truth'. These are the people that purport to be descended from Jesus and Mary, as if by inhabiting bodies that share their genetics automatically gives the resident soul the same kind of divinity. The actual materials will be a fascination to read, and I've already started the "Plot To Seize The White House", yet I don't think that I need to know all the details in order to come to the conclusions I did. Much of my education was done alongside the progeny of these elites, with many of them being life-long friends, but it's a different view from inside. Though in the local aristocracy they don't focus on it as much, we know from DB's experience that such a group does, in fact, exist and its influence is widely felt throughout the corridors of power. Just tonight the History Channel re-ran a decent piece about the banned books of the Bible and the Priory of Sion. They spent a lot of time validating it, subtly unvalidating it in the next turn, and so forth until it was sterilized of the truthful consequences of having such a group actually run the planet (or at least a sizable chunk of its land mass).

Kennedy actually referenced Marx's employer in one of the speeches that he gave about the necessity for the absolute and unfettered "freedom of the press." As you probably know, Kennedy ran afoul of the cabal members with two actions: his executive order to dismantle the Fed and his desire to reveal the existence of ETs.

This is one of the keystone tenets of our consciousness; he is the martyred example of why many simply don't even make the attempt. Those two facts - and the implications of what the ETs were here to warn/prepare us for - are the bedrock of understanding what the situation is all about.

(BTW, I wasn't familiar with an actual Kennedy quote naming Rothschild.)


I have to go through my files to get you the articles that you would most benefit from. I am giving you information from memory right now, but I want to convey the SCOPE of perfidiousness of certain members of society worldwide. It is pretty disgusting, but it pales in comparison to what they have done over the last 40 years.

Just so I won't belabor something that this august groups already knows, I would like to ask a few questions:

*how much does the group understand about the klugy activity known as "genetic engineering"

Have to confess I don't know what "klugy" means, but I can guess in context it's uncool. "Genetic engineering" as practiced by the intermediaries between ourselves and the creator known variously as 'angels', ETs, aliens, etc is actually what's been taking place as far as I'm concerned with the abductions. They're taking the best of Reticulan (not to be confused with reptilian) genetics and the best of homo sapiens. It's the reality of our material world. The "new model humanoid" will have the best of both worlds (hopefully) and none of the drawbacks. It will become the new "vessel"....the new "soul container"....the "biological lifeform" for purposes of soul habitation. Is that something that horrifies you? If I were in their position, it's probably what I'd do myself. It makes logical sense, since the current carcasses we inhabit only have a life-span of approx. 78 years. The new ones will last 350-400 years on average, plus we'll have the added advantage of being able to communicate easily and at will between our subconscious and conscious, not to mention telepathy. Then again, some of us won't have much of a say in things if they won't be sticking around for the re-start of the next world, which could be a good thing but also a bad thing.

The problem is when the present human authorities attempt to dabble in the creation of lifeforms themselves, as they apparently tried to do in DBs case. We were barely moved into Marci's apartment when Dan whispered excitedly that he had been conducting an experiment under a microscope when he noticed what appeared to be 'new matter' forming. Creating matter out of nothing. He could barely contain himself, and I had to take him at his word, but in light of everything we've heard from him and his thugs and handlers, I think it's just more of a false scent. Like Shady says on the latest SNEDs Says, "where are all the inventions and proof positive of the claims he has made since we first met him?". This is a sad thing when I think about how he had sat and said he'd need about 3 million to make a prototype of his 'widget'. It made me think of what Tesla must have had to go through with George Westinghouse. But as to the "genetic engineering" we're already doing, look at the justification by Monsanto when it comes to genetically engineering food by maintaining sterility of the crop.....they OWN every generation of seed before its sold to the companies that will plant and harvest them. Those companies, right down to the individual farmer, has to abide by regulations set by Monsanto. They are patenting LIFE, and their danger is vastly underestimated.


*how much does the group know about nanotechnology and what it's real dangers are?

We've been told that DB actually worked on, or was at minimum approached to join, a team that was involved in producing nanotech "chips".....like complex versions of the ones used as a trial balloon for pets. Imagine though; they probably have implant-sized nanotech tracking devices, and even those that could (primatively) read the emotions of the host. I imagine the biggest issue is how to get the device into a stable place on/in the host without raising too much of a ruckus. Maybe you should spend some time on what particulars you know of, such as project names and ostensible purposes as well as the true purpose as we might see it.


*how much does the group understand about reproduction, endocrinology etc. and how these systems interact?

The 'group' contains some high-powered scientific minds that might be intimately familiar with these discipliines. I hope they'll volunteer to help explain what you might be saying.

I am asking these questions as a prelude to explaining the implications of some of the idiotic decisions made by those who would presume to determine the fate of humanity--the species. There are things going on worldwide that are scary and quite unusual. In particular, there appears to be a historically unnatural higher population of men than women. Do not believe the "cheerful" tone given out by US agencies right now. The numbers are not accurate. Right now, the US has the highest infant mortality in the industrial world.

We should look at what statistics you're using, make sure we're on the same page as to why. We're all aware of China's "one child" policy; what do you attribute the disparity to vs. the American birthrate? How does that fit the overall picture to you? I would think there would be just as many females as males, as females will be required to help re-populate the earth afterwards.

Looking forward to the Yellow Book.

Sending aloft; it'll probably arrive after the 'big event' this coming week. I truly sense we're looking at an event involving multiple locations in the American heartland over the next 10 days and I'm not talking about the near-riots in New England lately over the continued lack of power in sub-freezing temperatures.

MK

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