It is currently Fri May 03, 2024 7:13 am



Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 906 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 ... 37  Next
 The Golden Thread, Volume 4.3 2008 
Author Message
GT Truther

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:08 pm
Posts: 5708
Post Message from Mayan Elder Don Alejandro (Shaman) in regards t
Sometimes you just have to go back to the original people of the original message to get the truth. :)


Shady



Message from Mayan Elder Don Alejandro (Shaman) in regards to "The New Dawn" (2012)

Message from Mayan Elder Don Alejandro (Shaman) in regards to "The New Dawn" (2012)

This is a new video from Ian Lungold's website mayanmajix.com.

Carl Calleman interviews Don Alejandro, a Mayan shaman about the much anticipated end of the Mayan calendar.

Don Alejandro is traveling the world spreading his message of a new dawn - the new dawn of a time of peace and happiness for all mankind.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr__EgM3c9U


Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:31 pm
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:36 am
Posts: 468
Location: Montreal
Post 
Bush can dodge. Damn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttwpFIulpMM

_________________
De la laideur naîtra la beauté.


Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:42 pm
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:03 am
Posts: 168
Location: New Zealand
Post 
What a shame it was just a shoe........

_________________
My dad went to the Tau9...and all i got was this crummy implant....


Sun Dec 14, 2008 10:58 pm
Profile WWW
GT Truther

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:08 pm
Posts: 5708
Post 
In Iraqi / Arab culture showing the heel to a person especially the shoe heel, it tanmount to flipping someone the middle finger (which they don't have in their culture.) So basically he was flipping Bush the Bird.

The Iraqis did the same after the Americans invaded to all the Saddam propaganda pics and statues.

So basically the Iraqi wasn't trying to hit him but basically saying "F*$* You Bush!" LOL


Shady

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Finger (gesture)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
The finger
"The bird" redirects here. For the Baltimore Orioles mascot, see List of Major League Baseball mascots.
"The Finger" redirects here. For the band, see The Finger (band). For other uses, see The Finger (disambiguation).

In Western cultures, the finger (as in giving someone the finger) is a well-known obscene hand gesture made by extending the middle finger of the hand while bending the other fingers into the palm. A known variation includes extending the thumb as well.

Alternate names

The gesture is also known as the "bird", "flipping someone off", "shooting a bird" and innumerable other terms. Generally when the "bird" is given, it is intended to mean "f--- you" or "f--- off". When both hands are used (for emphasis), it may be known as the "double-barreled salute". A variation of the gesture is also made by showing someone the back of the hand, with three fingers extended, with the comment "read between the lines."

[edit] Origin

The origin of this gesture is speculative, and quite possibly thousands of years old. It is identified as the digitus impudicus ("impudent finger") in Ancient Roman writings[1] and reference is made to using the finger in the ancient Greek comedy The Clouds by Aristophanes. It was defined there as a gesture intended to insult another person. The widespread usage of the finger in many cultures is likely due to the geographical influence of the Roman Empire and Greco-Roman civilization. Another possible origin of this gesture can be found in the first-century Mediterranean world, where extending the digitus impudicus was one of many methods used to divert the ever present threat of the evil eye.[2]

Another possible origin is the phallic imagery of the raised middle finger (the middle finger being the longest finger on the human hand), similar to the Italian version of the bent elbow insult. Also, there is a variation of the finger where it can be done by performing The Fangul, by sticking out the finger during the throwing motion.

A popular urban legend states that during the Hundred Years' War, the French would cut off the middle fingers of captured English archers so they would be unable to use their bows, and that after the Battle of Agincourt, the victorious English showed the French that their middle fingers were still intact.[3]. This legend is also said of the V sign.

[edit] In other Western cultures

In the UK, Ireland, Australia, India and New Zealand, the V sign (given with back of the hand towards the recipient) serves a similar purpose, although "the finger" is sometimes used.

[edit] In non-Western cultures

In Iraq and several other Middle Eastern countries, the "thumbs up" gesture means the same as "the finger" in Western countries, which can result in misunderstandings.[1] However, in Iran the Westernized middle-finger gesture seems to have been recognized as the offensive gesture and the "thumbs up" now a salute.[citation needed]
In some African and Caribbean countries, a similarly obscene gesture is extending all five digits with the palm facing forward, meaning "you have five fathers" (thus calling someone a bastard).[4]
In South Asian countries such as India and Sri Lanka, certain limited social circles use the middle finger gesture in the same context that it is used in western cultures. The same is true for most South Asian countries.[2]. However, in Sri Lanka another version of the gesture exists, especially among the social circles not exposed to the western culture. In that version, the index finger is used in a similar manner to mean the same. In Egypt, another version of the gesture is used by erecting the middle finger inwards to the palm. The gesture is considered extremely vulgar and stands for the sexual act of fingering.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Shady adds: In Baltic Lithuanian, Latvians, Estonian Culture it’s a bit different..

First take the right hand and make the V Peace Sign with the right hand.

Then bring up the thumb between the index finger and third finger and make a fist, Your index and third finger should be clenching the sides of your thumb. Then Bring your left hand over and slam it into elbow bend as you as you drive the right arm up with sign.

This is the greatest insult you can give in Baltics. It basically means “Up yours and and cram it!”







Cyberbird wrote:


Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:59 pm
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:40 am
Posts: 867
Location: Eastern England
Post Camelot's 2007 Valery Uvarov interview
I've just finished listening to the mp3 version of Project Camelot's interview with Valery Uvarov, the man behind the Russian-language version of Nexus magazine, and a renowned ufologist to boot. Uvarov also claims to be a mathematician, painter, musician and writer. His books specialize in the science behind the pyramids of Egypt. His many years of research has led him far and wide, and he uses the Russian intelligence service (or so he claims) to help him "fill in the gaps" in his research. In his interview, Uvarov expressed sure-fire conviction that the people who built the pyramids were post-Atlantean priests and scientists, and believes the ancient Egyptian texts tell of an ET race that "guided their actions." Roland Emmerich has clearly been reading Uvarov's books, because that idea is expressed in the film 10,000BC. :P (Uvarov thinks Atlantis is buried under snow and ice in the North Pole btw.)

Uvarov's so convinced of the underlying protective and divining powers of the pyramid, that he's behind a team building three pyramids in Russia, 100km from St Petersburg, near an ancient barrow where there's a concentration of energy vortexes. I remember photos of these posted last year by either Shady or Dex.

Uvarov believes that a big meteor will hit the earth within the 2012 period, as they're cyclic occurrences according to his research of ancient texts. He claims that meteors carrying dangerous viruses and bacteria crash every epoch into earth, and there's an alien presence on hand around the globe that protects human and animal -kind from catastrophe every time there's an impact by neutralizing the threat. He cited Easter Island and Siberia among the places where this ET "terminator" technology is based, and claims the Chinese have already found some of these devices, according to his mates at Russian intel. The explosion of 1908 at Tunguska, Siberia, was actually an example of this ET weapon being used, so Uvarov says.

Uvarov seems aloof from the world of mainstream ufology and the data at hand. He's dismissive of a lot of the bread-and-butter issues, even the reality of Majestic-12.

Kerry_C brought up Dan_B on a couple of occasions, trying to tie in his Lotus research with an orb that came out of a pyramidal-like structure (or something like that) the Russian had built in his living room. She really ought to let Bill_R chip in here with the finer details of the Burisch data, because he's always accurate, whereas she was all over the place on this occasion.

Still, the interview was worthwhile listening to, to get the Russian "take" on things, no matter how off-the-wall it sounded at times.


Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:27 pm
Profile
GT Truther

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:08 pm
Posts: 5708
Post 
So much for the Elite investing millions into non-lethal protester and crowd control toys.. such as microwave puke guns.. or microwave heat rays.

The Greek rioters have just shown that Invention is indeed the Mother of Necessity and how the simplest thing a pocket toy can defeat an NWO Globalist army! :)

Bravo Anarchists! Bravo! :)

Take note people this is valuable information to know when and if we have to face a NWO Police State.

They can't very well fire a tear gas gun, or crowd control devices or Lethal Guns. If their retinas are fried with lasers. No can they fire an aim if they have to wear anti laser vises!

Shady


Quote:
Greek rioters use lasers against police as violence over boy's death continues into second week

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:36 PM on 15th December 2008

* Comments (3)
* Add to My Stories

Protesters in Athens targeted police officers with lasers yesterday as riots sparked by the police killing of a 15-year-old boy continued into a second week.

Although the intensity of protests has tailed off in recent days pockets of violence are still occurring and more rallies have been planned for this week.

Today, around 50 demonstrators hurled eggs at police outside the main Athens court, where a hearing took place for dozens of people arrested during Greece's worst riots in decades, sparked by the killing of Alexandros Grigoropoulos on December 6.

Image

Protesters, unseen, aim a laser at a riot policeman during clashes in Athens at the weekend


The rest continues at...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... -week.html


Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:30 pm
Profile
GT Truther

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:08 pm
Posts: 5708
Post 
On a related note. Greek Police make international appeal for more Tear Gas they are running out.. lol

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 331547.ece


Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:33 pm
Profile
GT Truther

Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:42 pm
Posts: 292
Location: Southern USA
Post Those Greeks Really Know How To Throw a Great Riot
Shady Groves wrote:
On a related note. Greek Police make international appeal for more Tear Gas they are running out.. lol

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 331547.ece


Why the Police Ran Out of Tear Gas

When I read that the Greek Police had used 4600 (or some similar large number) of tear gas canisters, I was impressed by the "toughness" and tenacity of the Greek rioters. Then I found some footage on YouTube and did a little homework on the riots. The first places hit by the rioters were outlying police stations around Athens and the other cities. Evidently, when the rioters hit those police stations, they acquired either Hazmat or riot gear. In the video of the police tossing tear gas, the police are in their uniforms and the RIOTERS ARE FULLY COVERED WITH GAS MASKS that seal into jumpsuits that look suspiciously like riot gear. I had to applaud their cleverness.

In any event, while not all the rioters have the gear, they seem to be putting those with the gear on the front lines. Pretty clever.


MK

_________________
"...mankind will not merely survive, he will prevail...for alone among all animals, mankind has compassion." Faulkner, Nobel Prize Speech 1953


Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:21 pm
Profile WWW
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:36 am
Posts: 468
Location: Montreal
Post Re: Camelot's 2007 Valery Uvarov interview
Quote:
I've just finished listening to the mp3 version of Project Camelot's interview with Valery Uvarov, the man behind the Russian-language version of Nexus magazine, and a renowned ufologist to boot.


Also, he says that MJ 12 is bullshit from the beginning.

_________________
De la laideur naîtra la beauté.


Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:49 am
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:46 am
Posts: 2909
Location: Miles from DC in rural PA
Post Re: Soul Containers?
UncleJohn wrote:

Uncle John here: There are many reports that ET's have called humans, "soul containers."

I think that this is semantic disinfo on the part of the ET's. I don't know of any interaction with "forthright" ET's. Our true reality is hidden from humanity by "all" ET's interacting with humans! Just as any single ET collective could land of the white house lawn, any single ET collective could divulge our true reality to at least a few enlightened humans. This implies to me that all the ET groups are working together and none of them are STO. This cover up extends into our consciousness and perhaps our consciousness is prohibited by design or programming from being able to perceive our true reality.


You answer your own protest there at the end, UJ. I do believe our consciousness IS prohibited by design from being able to perceive our 'true' reality.....because otherwise, our limited consciousnesses would literally go insane. We couldn't handle it, but that's all part of raising the soul crop that is the purpose of life on Earth. It's not necessarily a bad thing, though it's very logical for us to protest for transparency and the full, unexpurgated truth.

The implication that "all the ET groups are working together" is accurate, in my book, in the sense that they must all observe the 'prime directive'.....they must all observe the Rules of Engagement when it comes to intruding into our 'reality' on Earth, our 'matrix'. This is one of the big reasons why even STO aliens are often the target of our frustration just as much as 'evil' (STS) aliens are. Knowing how karma works, how the Yin and the Yang co-exist, shows that even though the STS aliens and their supposed agendas get the most press, there are also vastly overlooked accomplishments by humans inspired by and in conjunction with STO aliens, who by their very nature are more modest and less likely to attempt to seize the limelight.

Our humanoid bodies are in a sense "biological robots"; though regularly grown in all climates, many of these earthlings lack enough experience to develop souls, or present themselves as less-than-ideal vehicles for a soul to manifest in. 'Soul' is a word that most of us learned in association with black - i.e. African-American - culture, and for good reason. The 'black' experience is largely one of oppression and impoverishment, which is more suited to the development of a 'soul' than is a comfortable material existence in which many "ideal" - i.e. caucasian - humanoids face no hardship, no lack of material comfort, etc. That doesn't mean 'black people got more soul', nor does it mean that all caucasians are 'comfortable' and supposedly less able to develop attributes like compassion, tolerance, and empathy. It means that the stuff of souls is borne out of the hardships of life, not necessarily on just material issues, but when moral dilemnas are arrived at. It may sound justifiable to either blame this imperfect world on 'evil ETs' or 'good ETs' who are complicit by keeping their mouths closed and their presence hidden, but ultimately it is WE who make the decisions. We call on both 'good' and 'bad' ETs, and often the 'bad' ETs are the ones that 'look good', tell us what we want to hear, tow the party line, etc, whereas the 'good ETs' often look like the archetypes of evil. Few stop to look at the 'destiny of their messages' or where their actions lead us to; too often we get caught up in how the 'containers' look in public.....are they well-dressed? Speak eloquently? Smell nice? Exhibit shapely curves? What; they smell bad, dress in rumpled clothes, speak gruffly, practice perverted sex, and don't observe the rules; surely they can't be 'good', can they?

And that's where our judgement too often ends.

_________________
"We seek a free flow of information... we are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."-John F. Kennedy, Feb. 26th, 1962.


Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:05 am
Profile YIM WWW
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:38 pm
Posts: 3209
Location: "Consulting the Oracles"
Post 
Discernment

The Reptilian were noted referring to our bodies as containers.

With the 'above' our forms are vehicles of expression. We are in real indentity 'Divine Spirits' and these embodiments are considered to be one of the lowest habitationals (new word?) for our kind of Spirit.

Take your pick.

Dex


Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:29 am
Profile
GT Truther

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:08 pm
Posts: 5708
Post Re: Those Greeks Really Know How To Throw a Great Riot
I was chatting to a cyber pen pal I have in Athens Greece, she’s in her 20s and Greek. She’s whole heartedly on the sides of protestors as are most Greeks in Athens.

As she stated these protests and riots are not completely about the 17 year old that was shot by the police which she calls one step above thugs. But there protestors are symptom of much more larger problem going on in Athens, Greece.

She told me that 2/3rs of Athens has been bought up by foreign nationals namely from Germany, France and England ever since Greece became a member of the EU, its so bad that many of the Greek road signs, businesses and such have been changed to make Athens more “Euro Friendly”, There are entire sections of the city where Greek isn’t spoken but must be “Euro Friendly’ Many beaches of Greece have been made “Euro Friendly” and indeed sectioned off for Greeks and “Euro Friendly” As the Europeans (namely rich Germans, French and English) move into Athens their literally turning Athens in mirror copies what they left behind and destroying Greek culture. They don’t employ Greeks, but are shipping in Eastern Europeans and many cases illegal aliens to be servernts and work in their “Euro Friendly” businesses, hotels and stores. Meanwile, Indeed its now a standing joke in Europe that Greece and indeed Athens is called the “Sex Tourism” Capital of the EU. Its gotten so bad that Greek women are literally propositioned in stores, in the street, in the resturants by Euros. My friend, her mother, even her grand mother has been literally propositioned by what she calls “Horny Japanese, Euro bastards.” in some cases literally on their way to Church.

The Section of Athens where this seventeen year old is one of the last “Ethnically Greek” sections of the city and has been under extreme pressure by the local city councils and agencies to become more “Euro Friendly.” Glob list Friendly. So when this boy was shot, it was the last straw that broke the camels back for Greeks in Athens. The rioting and protests are not just about the boy any more its about what is happening to Athens itself under Globalism and the EU. The stores that are being burned, the police attacked, the police stations are not even Greek but Euros! An most of Greece and Greeks stand behind the protestors. There are National Strikes and National Protests planned for the up coming weeks against EU and and Globalism which is basically destroying Greek Culture.

She asked me to pass this along to all friends on the net to let everyone know that what is being reported in the European News and Press that these riots are just about this seventeen year old and namely hooligans running amuck in Athens. Its not. These riots and protests are Athens Greeks last recourse to what is being done to Athens by the Euros. And most of Greece stand behind the Rioters in support for most Greeks feel so pressured by Globalism and the EU, that they feel they must take to streets to get their point across.


She also told me to look for Nation wide protests and ralliess coming in the next few weeks. Right now there is heavy heavy organizing go on and calls for National Strikes in support of the rioters.

My Greek pen pal would be out in the street herself (as are many of her firends) but she has to work... "My German land lord is a Nazi when it comes to my rent being on time."

Shady
















Madame_Karnak wrote:
Shady Groves wrote:
On a related note. Greek Police make international appeal for more Tear Gas they are running out.. lol

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 331547.ece


Why the Police Ran Out of Tear Gas

When I read that the Greek Police had used 4600 (or some similar large number) of tear gas canisters, I was impressed by the "toughness" and tenacity of the Greek rioters. Then I found some footage on YouTube and did a little homework on the riots. The first places hit by the rioters were outlying police stations around Athens and the other cities. Evidently, when the rioters hit those police stations, they acquired either Hazmat or riot gear. In the video of the police tossing tear gas, the police are in their uniforms and the RIOTERS ARE FULLY COVERED WITH GAS MASKS that seal into jumpsuits that look suspiciously like riot gear. I had to applaud their cleverness.

In any event, while not all the rioters have the gear, they seem to be putting those with the gear on the front lines. Pretty clever.


MK


Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:36 am
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:29 pm
Posts: 305
Post 
Dex wrote:
Discernment

The Reptilian were noted referring to our bodies as containers.

With the 'above' our forms are vehicles of expression. We are in real indentity 'Divine Spirits' and these embodiments are considered to be one of the lowest habitationals (new word?) for our kind of Spirit.

Take your pick.

Dex


What I find particularly interesting when associating good and evil with alien types, whether it be tall whites, reptillian, greys, STO vs. STS, it all is relative to the individuals reporting that determines the true intent of the species. Yet here we sit trying to determine who is good and who is evil.

Perhaps, and I conclude, that we are attempting to place our own steriotypes and insecurities onto an alien species as a whole for which could be as individual as ourselves. Yes, there is evil in our world, does that make all of us evil? We could even take down to a culture. Yes, the Nazi's were evil, but there were good ones working to help and free those that were incarcerated. The same can be said of the slave movement, the Russians and communists. The list goes on. Could it be that even in the STS realm of species there are in fact, good STS EBE's working to assist us in this time of change? Could there in fact be illuminati that are working for good intentions?

We have to pay attention to the contact Burisch had with his grey friend. Although many of you here theorize that his sole purpose was to mislead DB, I would contend that Chelelah (sp?) gave DB good info too, one of which was his ability to defect and call himself a name, even though it ment he would never see his family again. This tells us that they still have the ability and the right to free will.

Furthermore, I would theorize that if I truely wanted to make a difference, the best shot I would have would be from the inside out, not the other way around. To infiltraite there congress at the highest level possible and work to distroy them from with in. In other words, instead of throwing stones at a tank, I would try to convince the tank operators that I am on there side and then once inside the tank, take control of the machine and use it to distroy other tanks trying to damage my cause. Could this not be the case with an 'advanced' civilization as well?

Either way, I've heard as many say the reptillians are good as I have heard otherwise. The same can be said of the greys and the tall whites and the giants.

Just food for thought.

Dag

_________________
"Better a small leader than a big follower."


Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:18 pm
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:40 am
Posts: 867
Location: Eastern England
Post evidence that the sun has a companion star?
Don and all,

On the latest Kevin Smith Show, the host is reporting that there is good evidence that our sun is part of a binary star system. After doing a bit of virtual digging, I found out that what he's referring to is the "Gravity Probe B," a collaboration between NASA, Lockheed Martin, Stanford University and a few other partners, to "test Einstein's General Theory of Relativity (GR) effects: the geodetic effect and inertial frame dragging." (see link below). The probe is carrying four ultra-sensitive gyroscopes and was put into a polar orbit around Earth in 2004.

http://einstein.stanford.edu/

Image

Gravity Probe-B was designed to measure two key predictions of Einstein's general theory of relativity by monitoring the orientations of ultra-sensitive gyroscopes relative to a distant guide star.

The project didn't receive any further funding from NASA when it was up for negotiation in September 2008, but has secured alternative funding until December 2009. Gravity probe B has been sending back data to Mission Control for a few years now, and this data is essentially showing that the sun is accelerating and moving in a curved path -- the only logical way to explain this is if our sun is gravitationally bound to another nearby star. The results also disprove some of Einstein's cherished theories of the cosmos. God forbid that -- Max Planck will be turning in his grave. :P NASA claimed it wasn't funding the project any further due to the gyroscopes in the probe malfunctioning and general engineering failure BTW.

The presence of a possible companion star could explain the up and down movement of the sun as it moves around the galactic centre (and vice versa), according to some scientists. Apparently, if it can be determined how many times the sun moves up and down in one revolution around the galactic centre then the duration of one revolution around the binary partner could be worked out with some degree of accuracy. This in turn may expose the distance between our sun and its possible binary partner.


Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:37 pm
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:36 am
Posts: 468
Location: Montreal
Post 
Iraqi group files 200 lawsuits against Rumsfeld, US security firms for torture

Agence France-Presse
Published: Monday December 15, 2008

AMMAN, Dec 15, 2008 (AFP) - A Jordan-based Iraqi rights group said on Monday it has filed 200 lawsuits against US former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld and American security firms for their alleged role in torturing Iraqis.

Ali Qeisi, head of the group the "Society of Victims of the US Occupation in Iraq," said the cases, relating to torture and abuse of Iraqi prisoners, have been recently filed in federal courts in Virginia, Michigan and Maryland.

"Around 30 lawsuits have been accepted so far," Qeisi told AFP. The others are still under consideration.

"The torture was systemic, and those responsible for it should be punished and the victims should be compensated," he said.

Qeisi said he himself was tortured by US troops in Iraq during a six-month detention, though he refused to elaborate.

Last year, French, US and German rights groups filed suits for torture against Rumsfeld, who was accused by a US bipartisan Senate report last Thursday of being to blame for abuse of detainees in US custody.

"Rumsfeld's authorisation of aggressive interrogation techniques for use at Guantanamo Bay was a direct cause of detainee abuse there" and "influenced and contributed to the use of abusive techniques... in Afghanistan and Iraq," the report concluded.

In a high-profile case involving private security guards, five Blackwater guards were last week charged with killing 14 unarmed Iraqi civilians and wounding 18 others with gunfire and grenades in September 2007.

A sixth guard has pleaded guilty to charges of voluntary manslaughter and attempt to commit manslaughter.

Source: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Iraqi_gro ... _1215.html

_________________
De la laideur naîtra la beauté.


Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:04 pm
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:36 am
Posts: 468
Location: Montreal
Post 
Cheney admits authorizing detainee's torture

David Edwards and Stephen C. Webster
Published: Monday December 15, 2008

Outgoing VP says Guantanamo prison should stay open until end of terror war, but has no idea when that might be.

Monday, outgoing Vice President Dick Cheney made a startling statement on a nation-wide, televised broadcast.

When asked by ABC News reporter Jonathan Karl whether he approved of interrogation tactics used against a so-called "high value prisoner" at the controversial Guantanamo Bay prison, Mr. Cheney, in a break from his history of being press-shy, admitted to giving official sanctioning of torture.

"I supported it," he said regarding the practice known as "water-boarding," a form of simulated drowning. After World War II, Japanese soldiers were tried and convicted of war crimes in US courts for water-boarding, a practice which the outgoing Bush administration attempted to enshrine in policy.

"I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared, as the agency in effect came in and wanted to know what they could and couldn't do," Cheney said. "And they talked to me, as well as others, to explain what they wanted to do. And I supported it."

He added: "It's been a remarkably successful effort, and I think the results speak for themselves."

ABC asked him if in hindsight he thought the tactics went too far. "I don't," he said.

The prisoner in question, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who the Bush administration alleges to have planned the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, is one of Guantanamo's "high value targets" thus far charged with war crimes.

Former military interrogator Travis Hall disagrees with Cheney's position.

"Proponents of Guantanamo underestimate what a powerful a propaganda tool Guantanamo has become for terrorist groups such as Al Qaeda, despite several Department of Defense studies documenting the propaganda value of detention centers," he said in a column for Opposing Views.

"For example, West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center has monitored numerous Al Qaeda references to Guantanamo in its recruitment propaganda materials," continued Hall. "Improvements to Guantanamo’s administration of judicial mechanisms will not make its way into Al Qaeda propaganda. Nothing short of closing Guantanamo will remove this arrow from its quiver."

President-elect Barack Obama has promised to close the prison and pull US forces out of Iraq. Cheney, however, has a different timeline for when Guantanamo Bay prison may be "responsibly" retired.

"Well, I think that that would come with the end of the war on terror," he told ABC.

Problematic to his assertion: Mr. Bush's "war on terror" is undefinable and unending by it's very nature, and Cheney seems to recognize this as fact.

Asked when his administration's terror war will end, he jostled, "Well, nobody knows. Nobody can specify that."

This video is from ABC's World News, broadcast Dec. 15, 2008.

Source: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cheney_ad ... _1215.html

_________________
De la laideur naîtra la beauté.


Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:05 pm
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:46 am
Posts: 2909
Location: Miles from DC in rural PA
Post Probing the STS vs STO paradigm
Hear, hear, Cyberbird. Today 2 massive bombshells from MJ-2[retired?!?] show just how much in denial he is over how far he has fallen. In that interview with ABC News' Jonathan Karl he not only admitted (though in a sleazy, 'after the fact' manner that was quite disingenuous) he had authorized torture - a type of torture that American courts were sentencing people to death by hanging for as recently as the 1950s, when Cheney was already skulking around the planet - he admitted he believes to this day that the pre-emptive strike on Iraq was justified, merely because Saddam had the "intent" to use WMD, let alone the "capability".

This is a case of: dead man - waddling. Thankfully the end is almost in sight. Naturally we can hear his insolence even now...."so what?".

Image


Cheney’s Wishful Thinking: Iraq Had ‘Capability To Produce’ WMD When We Invaded

Earlier this month at a debate on President Bush’s legacy in New York, Karl Rove claimed that if the Bush administration had known before the war that Iraq did not possess WMD, the U.S. would likely not have invaded:

QUESTION: Had the intelligence been accurate prior to the invasion of Iraq, would the invasion have still taken place, in your view?

ROVE: No. … I suspect the administration’s course would have been to work to find more creative ways to constrain him than he’d been constrained in the nineties.

In a new interview with ABC News, however, Vice President Cheney disputed Rove’s assessment. Asked specifically about Rove’s comment, Cheney said that the U.S. would have invaded regardless of whether or not Saddam Hussein possessed WMD because he retained the “capability to produce weapons of mass destruction“:

CHENEY: As I look at the intelligence with respect to Iraq, what they got wrong was that there weren’t any stockpiles. What they found was that Saddam Hussein still had the capability to produce weapons of mass destruction. He had the technology, he had the people, he had the basic feed stock.

Watch it:

http://www.youtube.com/v/0pg2aE0RsMY&

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dagwood wrote:
Dex wrote:
Discernment

The Reptilian were noted referring to our bodies as containers.

With the 'above' our forms are vehicles of expression. We are in real indentity 'Divine Spirits' and these embodiments are considered to be one of the lowest habitationals (new word?) for our kind of Spirit.

Take your pick.

Dex


What I find particularly interesting when associating good and evil with alien types, whether it be tall whites, reptillian, greys, STO vs. STS, it all is relative to the individuals reporting that determines the true intent of the species. Yet here we sit trying to determine who is good and who is evil.

Perhaps, and I conclude, that we are attempting to place our own steriotypes and insecurities onto an alien species as a whole for which could be as individual as ourselves. Yes, there is evil in our world, does that make all of us evil? We could even take down to a culture. Yes, the Nazi's were evil, but there were good ones working to help and free those that were incarcerated. The same can be said of the slave movement, the Russians and communists. The list goes on. Could it be that even in the STS realm of species there are in fact, good STS EBE's working to assist us in this time of change? Could there in fact be illuminati that are working for good intentions?

Well-said, Dag. That's what the Yin&Yang are all about; even in the black half of that circle is a white dot, and within the white half is a black dot. There are a few good Republicans, like there are a few good Illuminists, a few good Nazis, a few good Majestic operatives, even a few good microbiologists.

We have to pay attention to the contact Burisch had with his grey friend. Although many of you here theorize that his sole purpose was to mislead DB, I would contend that Chelelah (sp?) gave DB good info too, one of which was his ability to defect and call himself a name, even though it ment he would never see his family again. This tells us that they still have the ability and the right to free will.

This is one of the paradoxes of all time, vastly under-rated. Chi'elah's purpose wasn't necessarily only to mislead DB, though that is what I certainly believe has happened. His story needs to be scrutinized much more than it has been, but both DB and NL/ZT shy away from discussing this aspect too much. One would think that such an advanced culture would have had as its initial ambassador one who was much more 'STO' and the absolutely least-likely to become a 'traitor'. DB has been 'sincere' in passing off what Chi'elah told him as truth, since the J-rod was probably as sincere with DB as DB had been in the run-up to his post-induction public face of "Disclosure! Wheeee! Puhleeze believe in Unitee!". The way DB explains it, Chi'elah's society takes children - including Chi'elah's own son - and has the state rase them. Chi'elah's portrayal of his society paints it as almost Stalinist. The other members of that society, who aren't members of the secret society that Chi'elah was and therefore had no individual name, feel that Chi'elah was simply too selfish, had given himself too much importance by virtue of the fact he had a complex 'name' that had many meanings, and mistakenly (in their eyes) felt a selfish parental desire to 'own' his son or at least play too large a role in his upbringing. I even found a mention of Chi'elah from 1995 in ZT, unknown to me until recently:

Just as with humans, all entities incarnating in an alien race are not of the same orientation. We, unfortunately, have Zeta Reticulans who are of the Service-to-Self orientation. These are small in number compared to the bulk in the Service-to-Others orientation, but, as you say, one bad apple can spoil the lot, and this is acutely so when the bad apple is one of the initial ambassadors to a planet scheduled for its Awakening. We got bad public relations from such an incident, and strive to recover from this.

We cannot clarify the issue without engaging those in the Service-to-Self. We can, however, give general information on the goals of the Service-to-Self orientation. Domination is high on the list. One can dominate and not be present. The Earth is scheduled to be a home for those of the Service-to-Others orientation, after the Transformation. This transformation period is already in process, and the time frame cannot be answered impeccably. It depends. As this issue of what will happen to the Earth is not a settled issue, Service-to- Self aliens came forward to attempt a coup. They attempted to set in motion occurrences that would benefit them in a large way. War so benefits them. Class or race conflicts so benefit them. This is as much as we can say on this issue.


(from http://www.zetatalk.com/call/c12.htm )

Furthermore, I would theorize that if I truely wanted to make a difference, the best shot I would have would be from the inside out, not the other way around. To infiltraite there congress at the highest level possible and work to distroy them from with in. In other words, instead of throwing stones at a tank, I would try to convince the tank operators that I am on there side and then once inside the tank, take control of the machine and use it to distroy other tanks trying to damage my cause. Could this not be the case with an 'advanced' civilization as well?

Yes, and this might explain Chi'elah's dexterity in getting himself appointed as the 'initial ambassador' to Earth. I have myself felt like an infiltrator, not bent on destruction or pure vengeance, for then my approach would be "cunning", almost nefarious. Instead, infiltrating the 'matrix' and using the Feeling, using forms of Love, to defeat the worst instincts of the Establishment. Yet, I don't know if I would go along with using the tank to destroy others; I would try to persuade them much as I persuaded the operators of the first tank to allow me in. But if I'm talking a good 'game' and saying nothing of substance, I would probably be found out pretty quickly and wouldn't gain entry. Majestic and the other black-ops organizations prefer to have sincere (sincerely deluded, actually) believers making their Coverup cases. I think that advanced beings would rely as much as possible upon their persuasive abilities, and as we all know, left-wing types are usually less crafty and cunning than their right-wing opponents. Right-wing types are usually more likely to uphold the virtues of individualism, left-wing types more likely to uphold the virtues of the collective community. I always believed in a form of "radical moderation" that tried to bridge the divide between the two, never seriously considering that we aren't capable of synthesizing the best of both worlds, but after being exposed to ZT, I recoiled in bemused horror when told that the two polarizations are so polarized they aren't meant to co-exist peacefully. To this day I have a lurking suspicion that the STS humans that are portrayed by ZT as being 'evil' don't really harbor that sentiment in their hearts, they're actually more banal about it. But maybe that's just another case of "there I go again, giviing them the benefit of the doubt, looking for their silver lining".

.....

Just food for thought.

Worth chewing on.


_________________
"We seek a free flow of information... we are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."-John F. Kennedy, Feb. 26th, 1962.


Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:41 am
Profile YIM WWW
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:46 am
Posts: 2909
Location: Miles from DC in rural PA
Post Re: evidence that the sun has a companion star?
mjc wrote:
Don and all,

On the latest Kevin Smith Show, the host is reporting that there is good evidence that our sun is part of a binary star system. After doing a bit of virtual digging, I found out that what he's referring to is the "Gravity Probe B," a collaboration between NASA, Lockheed Martin, Stanford University and a few other partners, to "test Einstein's General Theory of Relativity (GR) effects: the geodetic effect and inertial frame dragging." (see link below). The probe is carrying four ultra-sensitive gyroscopes and was put into a polar orbit around Earth in 2004.

http://einstein.stanford.edu/

Image

Gravity Probe-B was designed to measure two key predictions of Einstein's general theory of relativity by monitoring the orientations of ultra-sensitive gyroscopes relative to a distant guide star.

The project didn't receive any further funding from NASA when it was up for negotiation in September 2008, but has secured alternative funding until December 2009. Gravity probe B has been sending back data to Mission Control for a few years now, and this data is essentially showing that the sun is accelerating and moving in a curved path -- the only logical way to explain this is if our sun is gravitationally bound to another nearby star. The results also disprove some of Einstein's cherished theories of the cosmos. God forbid that -- Max Planck will be turning in his grave. :P NASA claimed it wasn't funding the project any further due to the gyroscopes in the probe malfunctioning and general engineering failure BTW.

The presence of a possible companion star could explain the up and down movement of the sun as it moves around the galactic centre (and vice versa), according to some scientists. Apparently, if it can be determined how many times the sun moves up and down in one revolution around the galactic centre then the duration of one revolution around the binary partner could be worked out with some degree of accuracy. This in turn may expose the distance between our sun and its possible binary partner.


Good find, mjc. This would bear out what the human authorities were told about the celestial mechanics they were alternately being told they 'had little clue to' and on the other hand were told what they wanted to hear. The existence of Nemesis, the other body that Nibiru orbits, is validated. I think they began with the awareness, and simply wanted to confirm it. I think that they are trying to use the calculations produced by the actions of these gyroscopes to help make more accurate 'predictions' about when 'IT' will happen. Finally, I also think they took it to heart more than they care to admit when they were to they were basically too ignorant to understand cosmic physics, and wanted to disprove that contention.

I also give short shrift to the idea that NASA 'gave up on funding the project due to failure', etc.

But, the article seems to suggest that DB's contention about the path of our solar system bobbing up and down through the galactic center has some grounding in fact. I don't necessarily buy it, but they do appear to be selling that misleading paradigm pretty heavily. DB would be proud.

I have to admit, on a side note, that when I first saw the image rise up slowly from the bottom of the screen, it was eery. "Gravity probe B" appeared almost as if in a wedding tuxedo, himself! Such a weird personification of what's essentially a robot.

_________________
"We seek a free flow of information... we are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."-John F. Kennedy, Feb. 26th, 1962.


Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:29 am
Profile YIM WWW
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:40 am
Posts: 867
Location: Eastern England
Post Re: evidence that the sun has a companion star?
Dondep wrote:
Good find, mjc. This would bear out what the human authorities were told about the celestial mechanics they were alternately being told they 'had little clue to' and on the other hand were told what they wanted to hear. The existence of Nemesis, the other body that Nibiru orbits, is validated. I think they began with the awareness, and simply wanted to confirm it. I think that they are trying to use the calculations produced by the actions of these gyroscopes to help make more accurate 'predictions' about when 'IT' will happen. Finally, I also think they took it to heart more than they care to admit when they were to they were basically too ignorant to understand cosmic physics, and wanted to disprove that contention.

I also give short shrift to the idea that NASA 'gave up on funding the project due to failure', etc.

But, the article seems to suggest that DB's contention about the path of our solar system bobbing up and down through the galactic center has some grounding in fact. I don't necessarily buy it, but they do appear to be selling that misleading paradigm pretty heavily. DB would be proud.

I have to admit, on a side note, that when I first saw the image rise up slowly from the bottom of the screen, it was eery. "Gravity probe B" appeared almost as if in a wedding tuxedo, himself! Such a weird personification of what's essentially a robot.

Don, the data from this Gravity Probe B clearly challenge Einstein's well-established relativity theories and some quantum mechanic and other models too, like Newtonian mechanics, all of which are just the limits of our current understanding after all, and will be improved upon or replaced by the so-called brilliant scientists of the future with a bit of luck when the old scientific establishments die out. It's well-known that the established scientific community isn't exactly democratic where expression of new theories are concerned. If something doesn't agree with established science, then it's either dismissed, discredited or suppressed. It's a pity the data from Gravity Probe B can't be compared with other experiments of a similar nature, then we'd have a clearer and more definitive picture of what's really going on.

---------------------------------------------

A Giant Breach in Earth's Magnetic Field?

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008 ... ist1049613

<snip> NASA's five THEMIS spacecraft have discovered a breach in Earth's magnetic field ten times larger than anything previously thought to exist. Solar wind can flow in through the opening to "load up" the magnetosphere for powerful geomagnetic storms. But the breach itself is not the biggest surprise. Researchers are even more amazed at the strange and unexpected way it forms, overturning long-held ideas of space physics.

"At first I didn't believe it," says THEMIS project scientist David Sibeck of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "This finding fundamentally alters our understanding of the solar wind-magnetosphere interaction."

The magnetosphere is a bubble of magnetism that surrounds Earth and protects us from solar wind. Exploring the bubble is a key goal of the THEMIS mission, launched in February 2007. The big discovery came on June 3, 2007, when the five probes serendipitously flew through the breach just as it was opening. Onboard sensors recorded a torrent of solar wind particles streaming into the magnetosphere, signaling an event of unexpected size and importance. <end>


Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:53 am
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:46 am
Posts: 2909
Location: Miles from DC in rural PA
Post Re: evidence that the sun has a companion star?
mjc wrote:
A Giant Breach in Earth's Magnetic Field?

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008 ... ist1049613

<snip> NASA's five THEMIS spacecraft have discovered a breach in Earth's magnetic field ten times larger than anything previously thought to exist....

"At first I didn't believe it," says THEMIS project scientist David Sibeck of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "This finding fundamentally alters our understanding of the solar wind-magnetosphere interaction."

The magnetosphere is a bubble of magnetism that surrounds Earth and protects us from solar wind. Exploring the bubble is a key goal of the THEMIS mission, launched in February 2007. The big discovery came on June 3, 2007, when the five probes serendipitously flew through the breach just as it was opening. Onboard sensors recorded a torrent of solar wind particles streaming into the magnetosphere, signaling an event of unexpected size and importance. <end>


:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: {eyes agog....}

I have to admit I've never been one to grasp "science" as it's been taught in the public schools, which is both a blessing and a curse, but one of the things that means is that I'm not locked into Newtonian physics or Einstein's theories of relativity. Recently I watched a new History Channel documentary about Einstein and how he fought to have his theory accepted, and how sensationalistic a debate it was almost a century ago.....it probably taught me more about 'relativity' than any course I've taken in the past. But this find, this admission by NASA about the Earth's magnetic field or 'bubble' being breached leads to the obvious question - just WHAT is causing it? I know that the fine print in the follow-up would do as much as possible to point AWAY from any extra-solar object of, oh, say, about 23 times the magnetic mass of Earth approaching us from the direction of the Sun, thus allowing those torrents of solar-wind particles to come rushing in.

I don't have to articulate the obvious, but I'll leave it to the more scientifically-inclined to explain it. This should be good. I'm sure DB will be along shortly with an explanation that will fit the data into the model of the solar system crossing the galactic ecliptic, or the Sun "shakin' its booty" more and more in agitation (from WHAT is the question). ANYTHING but the dreaded 'Planet X', which is still the most plausible explanation for the data in toto. That includes the existence of the Sun's "companion star", the 'other' foci for that extra-solar body.

_________________
"We seek a free flow of information... we are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people."-John F. Kennedy, Feb. 26th, 1962.


Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:57 am
Profile YIM WWW
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:36 am
Posts: 468
Location: Montreal
Post 
Chrysler to close all 30 plants for one month

DETROIT – Chrysler LLC said Wednesday that it is closing all 30 of its manufacturing plants for a month starting Friday as it seeks to counter the most severe downturn in U.S. auto sales in more than two decades.

[...]

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081218/ap_ ... production

_________________
De la laideur naîtra la beauté.


Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:14 pm
Profile
GT Truther

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:08 pm
Posts: 5708
Post 
That is Shocking News!

I guess its time folks to start working on your "Will Work For Food" signs like people used in the Great Depression.

I have a spooky feeling we'll need them.


Shady





Cyberbird wrote:
Chrysler to close all 30 plants for one month

DETROIT – Chrysler LLC said Wednesday that it is closing all 30 of its manufacturing plants for a month starting Friday as it seeks to counter the most severe downturn in U.S. auto sales in more than two decades.

[...]

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081218/ap_ ... production


Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:20 pm
Profile
GT Truther

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:08 pm
Posts: 5708
Post 
Yes ladies and gentlemen Hell Just Froze Over. (Sin City).

It is indeed end of the world! lol



Image
By vortogon


Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:54 pm
Profile
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:24 am
Posts: 2179
Location: Los Altos California
Post 
Uncle John here: Thank you Lord.

http://jessicamystic.ca/

Only love can fill.


Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:51 pm
Profile WWW
GT Truther
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:40 am
Posts: 867
Location: Eastern England
Post Bashar & Dan_B: the new Abbot & Costello?
UncleJohn wrote:
Uncle John here: Thank you Lord.

http://jessicamystic.ca/

Only love can fill.

UJ, She resembles and sounds like one of the Canadians I spoke to in the Swallow Doves crop formation back in a Wiltshire field in 2003. Three of the Canadians were meditating in a flattened swirl in the centre, with their arms held out. One told me he was trying to conjure up the circlemakers, but the only thing that turned up was a big military helicopter doing a double flyover.

On the previous page you had a link to www.bashar.org. Now, I've never heard of him before, but he claims to be a "multi-dimensional being who speaks through channel Darryl Anka from what we perceive as the future." I've got to admit that I haven't chuckled so much in a long time, but Bashar seems to have a sense of humour and I like his fluent although mechanical and excitable way of speaking. I-magiiinaaaaychion, anybody? :P I'd pay good money to listen to a two-way conversation between him and Dan_B. They'd make a great double act. :)

Image

---------------------------
Yeah, Shady, photos of LV snowed under are bizarre to look at.


Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:23 am
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 906 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 ... 37  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group.
Designed by Vjacheslav Trushkin for Free Forums/DivisionCore.