Goodness some interesting dialogue occurring here for sure now.

I have to agree that the dates being put out there are done for deception by various individuals to confuse the issues and peoples minds. It seems most governments have a major problem with real truth unfortunately and this is why all countries get in the shapes that they do, untruthful and unethical individuals who get in these positions of power and it goes to their heads and they get greedy and selfish.

Even if the government did come out and tell about this Pole Shift, just how many would really believe? How many would actually listen? Many wood of course, but not everyone probably because too many people go around with their heads in the sand.

I personally think it is the duty of this President or any other to inform this country about this Pole Shift IF there is really something to it and at least give the ones who will at least some kind of chance to help make preparations for survival. Otherwise by any government NOT telling and admitting to this possibility, they are most definitely guilty of mass murder as I see it.

I was very skeptical over this subject myself cause I like to try to get proof of things and what caused me to begin to believe it was a sign from nature itself, watching the moon at night and its location vs its location at other nights and there is just no way that it normally should have been where it was a few times that I was out looking. To me this was verification of this wobble that NL/ZT speaks about.

I have read what the Kolbrin tells on this Destroyer. I have also read everything else that I can find to read on it which isn't a lot of factual materils except for what Sitchin puts out of his translations, and then what little this Maximillian de Lafayette has written in some of his books, but the two books I have of his mainly speak of the Anunnaki.

But in talking to Dondep and finding out about all of the tidbits of confirmations he has received from several different sources of 'insiders' was also a help in causing more confirmation in my mind. Then NL/ZT and all said there and taking that into consideration and a few other peoples who have talked on this topic also on the internet, and then I learn of yet another source also giving his informations which I like how he tells his stuff the best so far because he is not out trying to make a dollar off of what he is telling. So yes, I know feel more sure that there really is something to all of this Pole Shift, and I am not going to just throw the whole idea of it out the window until at least 4 more years should pass. Then if nothing happens, then it was all an elaborate hoax indeed, but if it does happen, I would much rather be prepared to some degree then to be caught totally un-prepard and SOL.

With this other information I have come upon this source says it will happen before 2012 for sure.

I think that quite possibly Dan Burisch actually did start out in trying to inform the public, but along the way he got really messed up by the programming from these evil MJ12 psycopaths and their mind programming which has now messed him up because much of the first writings I have read were much more sensible sounding and more coherent than what comes out from them today. And this is why I do pity him, because he is between a rock and a hard place indeed. He is d___ed if he does, and d____ed if he doesn't and he cannot get out of it no matter how hard he tries. He is in a virtual prison and this is really sad indeed.

But it still does not mean that when he first started trying to get materials out that there wasn't some truths to it all. Now this mess he has come up with now, if it is even from him actually, sounds to me like some made up play casting and makes no real sense really. So I for one discredit the majority of what I read that comes from their site now that is cross poste here.

But I can say that Dondep is not some undercover government person!!! LOLOLOLOL I had to laught when I read that reference. I guess we could make up some kind of alphabet soup group for him if that would suffice!!! LOLOLOL

Ah, lets see how about the UJA for a good start!! LOL

UJA = Uncle John Agency

or maybe

UJAOTGT = Uncle John Agency Of The Golden Thread!!!

I think I prefer the UJA better, easier to remember.

Sorry, no offence, I just couldn't resist this one.

Like UJ says, I love a parade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




brightstar

It's my first post here, but I read this forum everyday.
As per the considerations from Brightstar, mainly about the potential pole shift, there is one thread going on the Time Travel Institute about this.
There is a lot of information from a purported time traveller named Charlie/Timeline 39. For me, I'm in open mind status and the "jury is still out".
The link:
http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttif ... o=&fpart=1

Peace.
Softkiller

(Note: How cool..they used the photo Paul gave to me..How do I know it's my photo? That's my chess table underneath it. Instead of scanning it for the public, I sat it on a chess table and photographed it. The chess table is another interesting subject...One of my first cosmic gifts from the ET's. The kick off contacts message...'This is going to be a Chess game'..You should see it..over a 150 years old with inlaid Stars of David, quarter moons, suns with sun rays and other abalone and mother-of-pearl stuff that matched the earrings of a female ET who introduced herself to me years ago.
You'd never believe me about the experiences I've had with these people...There's even a crop circle nearly made to match...another story...Dex)



Dulce underground UFO base conference ends

March 30, 3:30 AM



Paul Bennewitz photo of UFO entering Archuletta Mesa
Yesterday a conference was held in the small town of Dulce, New Mexico to discuss evidence of an underground extraterrestrial base at the
nearby Archuleta Mesa. Organized by Norio Hayakawa, a retired funeral
director now living in Rio Rancho, New Mexico, The Dulce Base: Fact or Fiction Conference brought
together local and outside speakers with knowledge of events at Dulce.
The conference began at the Best Western Jicarilla Inn but the venue
had to be changed to the local civic meeting room after the first
session since not all the audience could fit inside. Approxiately 100
people came from as far away as Pennslyvannia and Hawaii to attend the conference. Hayakawa hoped to end speculation about the
existence of an underground extraterrestrial base. Speakers and locals
were divided over the presence of extraterrestrials at the base, but
most agreed that strange events were happening at the Archuleta Mesa.

continued: http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu ... rence-ends

Hi Softkiller,

Thank you for posting that, yes I was aware of Charlie as I have communicated via email with him a few times privately. His information is very credible sounding and he makes the most sense of the main ones supposedly trying to inform people that claims to have some actual knowledge regarding this anomoly.

I like his more common sense approach of answering questions on it all and not trying to seasationalize it all or trying to make money off of what he tells either.

So you take into account what he tells, what NL/ZT tells, what Dan Burisch had told in the past, and the various other few that Dondep has had private communications with from various countries in private telling him bits and pieces confirming it along, the other various writers out there that tell what they tell and it gets to be too many people from different areas telling of the same thing so one has to begin to think there really must be something to this because it is being kept hidden so badly from the governments. Then when Bush put out his proclamation some years back telling ALL government agencies they were not to put out any informations without it coming through DC first that really raised my eyebrows big time. Then of course the Moon placement itself made the biggest impact on me with it all.

It is difficult to try to explain what occurred with the moon those times I am referring to, but it was so obvious that it just was not where it should normally have been, thus confirming this wobble NL/ZT kept speaking of. Thus by this wobble the more sudden changes in weather occurring for sure that is becoming more noticeable with its extremes. Even a few tibids that Shadygroves has included from a source he has where he lives and some strange occurrences there. These "fireballs" falling now that IS being reported at times. The strange occurrences of things with the oceans and sudden saves hitting areas and no earthquakes causing them. The several times the cables in the sea being broken and no logical reason for it, etc. etc. So when you take it all and put all of these various different pieces together, there is definitely something going on as I see it. Something that we are NOT being told about.

As far as these timelines go, I can agree that different timelines probably do exist, it certainly is NOT impossible, but I really do not think that we have changed timelines in our time period here. I see nothing to cause me to lean towards that theory at all other than Dan Burisch now trying to tell this and then gave this date he did of the 28th. Sorry I just do not buy that cause I am still in the same timeline in this dimension as I see it.

I do feel it will happen BEFORE 2012. I have now read too much regarding this 2012 date and it is NOT the end of the world as most put out there. It is the end of a cycle according to merely one of the Mayan calendars, and they had several calendars also. Then I try to factor in what Charlie is telling and he has not given a specific timeframe, nor date yet, but in figuring his birthtime he has given then this narrows it down more somewhat.

Of course I have also taken into account everything he tells could also be disinformation as well as the other sources, but what is his gain? So far I see no gain on his end other than he says he came back to try to help save more lives. Even though his story sounds pretty far fetched, he presents what he says in a more common sense manner, more of a real type scenario as I read it all. So more pieces of this puzzle seem to keep being presented from too man sources. And as the old saying goes, where there is smoke there has to be fire.

Yes, without concrete, conclusive evidence it could all be discarded, but then there are still what few writings are left and the Kolbrin has the most actually, and even that Oahspe has just a tidbit regarding this or it could be taken to be referring to this, and then the bible story of the Exodus which really doesn't give much in regards to this Planet X/Nibiru, but it speaks of Wormwood and it has also been referred to as this also. But the timeframes for these tends to fit more closely is one benefit of those tidbits.

But as I said, I would rather know and make some kind of preparations and it not happen, then to not know, not be aware and then be caught totally SOL period without any chance at all.

And it is for this very reason that I feel that IF these higher ups in government do KNOW for sure about this, then they have a duty to inform the masses and at least give he people some kind of chance. Give the people the right to make a choice of whether they listen and believe it and try to make their individual preparations, then to not tell them and know for sure it is going to happen. Then it is sheer murder when someone in the know does know and the do not tell and inform their peoples.

I realize no government can save everyone. It is totally impossible, but every human still has the right to be forwarned period.

And IF the excuse of these governments use of being worried about the economy as their excuse to NOT inform their people, then this only shows total GREED on their parts and they are not fit to govern or have rights to govern if they care no more than this for their people. They would be pretty d____n sorry excuses for a human being in my book.




brightstar

Hi Softkiller;

Yes, coincidentally (or is it?!?) brightstar has copied "Charlie's" posts and we've been emailing them around for a couple of days now. Fascinating; the data conforms largely to what NL/ZT have to say, it just goes into more detail and offers much more helpful scientific information as well. I also found it startling that his compendium of recommended preparations appeared the same day as the 'T2' timeline was found to be ..... "in error", to put it charitably. Perhaps you could ask "Charlie"/timeline39 to visit us here, where there are skeptics but no known nasty debunkers such as appear at TTI every time he posts.

{Note to Dex: I was merely quoting Penguin in that reference to "crucified martyr"; a discussion on the purpose, divinity or lack thereof, origin and destiny of the figure we know as 'Jesus Christ' is too complex to go into here, so I used the reference point given.}



Fascinating video interview of Gregg Braden. I was familiar with the work of Dr. Emoto (how about that for a PFLN?!? Perfect Fitting Last Name) and water crystals, which would make your point even better; if you haven't heard of him, you can get a good overview here:

http://current.com/items/89062824/words ... ystals.htm

and here:

http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/

"What has put Dr. Emoto at the forefront of the study of water is his proof that thoughts and feelings affect physical reality. By producing different focused intentions through written and spoken words and music and literally presenting it to the same water samples, the water appears to "change its expression"."

But to your Braden offering; I found the fact that he referenced military experiments in altering DNA telling. It made me recall this snip from the dreaded ZT:

The Service-To-Self Call
"This is done not by telepathy but by computer, which traces, surprisingly enough, a brain wave configuration generated when humans are dealing either with rage or intense defensive postures. This brain wave is generated almost continuously in those [humans] strongly in the Service-to-Self, as they are constantly enraged that their surroundings aren't placating them! It is not the level of this brain wave that is monitored, it is the constancy, and when located this individual is watched more closely. Their brain wave configuration has marked them as one in the Service-to-Self, in essence giving The Call continuously due to their frustration."

The fact that we can alter our DNA when separated from it by hundreds of miles, or alter the shape of water crystals by our own emotion, or make contact with low-level selfish aliens, is a testament to the power of electro-magnetism. Even the Ganesh Particles rely on the EM stream, as Burisch had demonstrated in his early work as a microbiologist. Even before I encountered his work, or that of Dr. Emoto, or ZT, I was aware of the power of prayer (attitude, really; you can call it anything you want - from 'meditation' to 'focus!') to effect changes in our own lives. However, there is a difference between effecting changes in cellular structure via EM communications and moving immutable objects. (See wiki on this; we may end up in semantic wranglings unintentionally.) While the military experiments proved DNA can contract with the emotional response of its 'parent', the parent cannot make the physical sample fly through the air to a different location. That is, "internal attributes" can be changed, but the physical location cannot. Not by willpower/wishful thinking/prayer/anger etc alone. In particular, a celestial object on the order of 4X Earth's physical size is impervious to the prayers of even a few billion humans that haven't a clue even now of what is on the horizon for the coming months.

That isn't to say that at some point in the development of a sentient race they wouldn't be able to muster the requisite EM power to allow for ascension to a higher dimension, as many (including ZT but not limited to it) have claimed. However, thinking we are at the stage of development when that would be possible is laughable, and possibly even willfully malevolent. Even in the most developed cities of our civilization most people can't keep their door unlocked for fear of intrusion, theft and battery. Billions of people don't have clean drinking water or an adequate diet, and more than half of the world's GDP could arguably be claimed to go to the production of armaments, poisons, implements of death and debilitation. It is possible but highly improbable that a herd of a hundred monkeys could eke out a Shakespearian sentence, let alone a full play or even sonnet, given enough computers, or even pencils or pens.

Now, if Gregg Braden's DNA researcher could move that physical sample of DNA from one side of the room to the other while a hundred miles away, I'll eat that hat of mine.

(Must take a break before I lose this post.)

Okay, this is the second time I'll try posting an answer. My IE suddenly vanishes at times, even after should know better and use Word.

The short answer is I was up quite late last night looking for the image proofs of prior poleshifts. A number of geologists have shown that there is indeed proof of prior geophysical poleshifts (none of these would be employed by the USGS, obviously); I remember watching a number of slides, particularly of one site in sub-Saharan Africa where one of the poles had been. Then, there is the Piri Reis map I spoke of earlier, and the work of Velikovsky and Charles Hapgood as well.

Posting then continuing.....

True, and I would say that it's despite the Controllers who presume to be our spiritual guides through the power of Churches and Temples and Mosques. Very learned men have taken up 'the cloth' to ensure that for every regressive step man takes in reaction to "religious teachings", at least one step towards enlightenment is also taken. But it's a painstaking process, and no credit is due to the charlatans who subtly threaten us with damnation for not conforming and suppressing ourselves in an 'appropriate' manner. Our standard of living has less to do with how many hymns or sermons we imbibe but how inspired we are by the power of the Creation on our intellect and our souls' development.



A 36 hundred year cycle. And no, apparently the power of the 'Anomaly' (as timeline39/Charlie puts it; gosh, that's gonna have the SNEDs thugs going crazy) can be quite destructive, as it was at the time of Noah and the famous Flood, or it could be minimal, as it supposedly was during the time of Moses. It's always a rough ride, nonetheless.



Ah, the $64 trillion question. First, I wouldn't necessarily put "Armageddon" in the same sentence with "Planet X"; it implies 'war', and Planet X implies 'natural disasters'. What benefit? If you knew your neighbor's house would be washed away in 2 weeks because you saw a classified weather report, would you tell him? Would you talk yourself out of saying anything by convincing yourself it's not your place to warn him, or that he might laugh at you or even get mad at you? What if you DID tell him and he quickly and quietly sold the house to an unsuspecting fellow from the other side of town? Would you then tell THAT man? You see, there are all sorts of spiritual ramifications to the dilemna that those of us who know - but who can't 'prove' it and for that matter don't want the requisite absolute proof for fear of provoking an unnecessary panic - have to face. This will be the most trying time for every human in the Family of Man, and the biggest 'battle' we will have in our quest to develop our souls in keeping with our Creators' highest hopes (and our own, hopefully). What does it serve if we save our own skin, and dozens of close friends and family COULD have survived if we just weren't so afraid of public condemnation, or ridicule? The information, for those of us who are 'aware', should be made available to the 'interested few' that can (and often will) act on it; those that refuse to even consider it are free of course to laugh their way to their own destiny. It can't be done from behind a government podium either, because even though many people consider everything that's said from that vantage point to be all lies, the truth is that we all pay heed to what those official podiums spout. Again, another aspect of the 'Ultimate Paradox' that we'll soon discuss.

From Terra:

(Story from Timothy Good's book - Alien Base)

Of all my case files involving extended contact with extraterrestrial, quasi-human beings, there are a few which I have found to be completely convincing. The following one involves a witness whom I knew as a friend for 30 years; a compelling case for contact, and one in which I believe the extraterrestrials did not impart any false information. That is not to say that I believe every word, for a few inconsistencies in the witness's story, owing to a tendency to embellish at times, emerged over the years. Because she was reluctant even to have the story published after her death, which occurred in 1995, I will refer to her only as Joelle.
Joelle was born in St Petersburg, Russia, of French and Russian parents, in 1914. During the Second World War she became a passive member of the Maquis, the French resistance to the Nazi occupation of France. After the war, she worked in Paris for the Ministry of Armaments, then came with her family to live in London. By a strange coincidence, her two daughters, Frederique and Isabelle, were formmates and friends of mine at the Arts Educational School, where, in addition to the usual curriculum, we studied acting and dance (1952-53), and it was then that I first met Joelle. We were not to meet again until 1967, in the company of her husband and Lou Zinsstag, from whom I learned of Joelle's contact story.
It was in September 1963, when Joelle was in the Sheffield area conducting a house-to-house field survey for a market research company, of which she was a senior partner, that her extraordinary adventures began. The survey included questions relating to domestic appliances, and at one house she was struck by the number of very modern-looking gadgets in the living room, none of which was on the market. Queried about these, the lady of the house (whom I shall call Rosamund) responded that her husband was a scientist who regularly tested the latest devices to assess their practicability.
Joelle noticed a large radio transceiver, and was informed by Rosamund that her husband was an amateur radio ham who talked with people all over the world. To demonstrate, Rosamund turned the set on, then left the room temporarily. Hearing a very brief message in English, Joelle wrote it down on the back of her survey notepad. When Rosamund returned, Joelle said that a message had come through, but did not say that she had written it down. Looking suddenly shocked, Rosamund switched the set off, explaining that her husband would never forgive her if he knew she had turned it on without his permission.
Later, back at her hotel, Joelle pondered the message. 'Will be at Blue John tomorrow, 4.30 p.m. - Mark', it read. It meant nothing to her at first, but later she became intrigued and made a few equerries. 'Blue John' turned out to be the Blue John Caves near Castleton, in Derbyshire's Peak District, the name deriving from the French blue-jaune, given to the blue fluorspar mineral found in Derbyshire. Wondering if perhaps she had uncovered a spy-ring, Joelle determined to find out what was going on.

The Blue John Encounter
On the afternoon of Monday 16 September 1963, Joelle set off by car to return to London, via the Blue John Caves. Arriving in the vicinity of the caves at around 14.30, she parked in a vantage spot overlooking a mildly sloping valley, ate her packed lunch, then waited to see what might happen.
Shortly before 16.30, Joelle noticed a brilliant light in the sky, which she first took to be the Sun. It was moving, though, and when it came to rest, several hundred yards from her position, the brilliant glow ceased, and she could now see that it was a highly unusual disc-shaped aircraft, approximately 20 feet or so in diameter, supported on tripod landing legs with inverted mushroom-shaped pads on their earth-contacting ends. Beneath a cupola could be seen several circular windows. After a pause, a man - presumably 'Mark' - stepped out from the other side, dressed in a blue one-piece suit and a cloth helmet of some sort. Simultaneously, a man came out of the car parked some distance away and began walking down the slope towards the craft. Joelle recognized the car as the one that had been parked outside Rosamund's house. After the two men had greeted each other warmly, Mark turned towards the craft and signaled briefly to the other (presumed) crew member(s), then both men headed towards the car and drove away. The craft began to glow and lift off the ground, retracted its landing gear, hovering momentarily before shooting off at a fantastic speed.

A Safe House
At that time, Joelle did not accept the fact of flying saucers. She assumed that this was a highly advanced aircraft, perhaps of Soviet origin, its occupant a spy liaising secretly with Rosamund's husband. So she decided to wait before driving to Rosamund's house, finding out what she could, then perhaps reporting the matter to the police.
Half an hour later, she knocked at Rosamund's door. The scientist (whom I shall call Jack) opened the door cautiously and asked what she wanted. Joelle gave the excuse that she had interviewed his wife the day before and needed to double-check some questions. Jack made as if to close the door, but at that point Mark - now dressed in terrestrial clothes - interjected. 'That's alright, Jack,' he said, 'let her in.' Reluctantly, Jack opened the door and showed Joelle into the living room.
'Why don't you tell us the real reason why you're here?' began Mark.
'Because I need to check some questions with Rosamund for my market research survey.'
'That's not true, Mrs -----.'
Joelle swore to herself.
'Tut, tut, said Mark, teasingly. 'You shouldn't swear like that.'
How had he known that she had sworn?
'You came here,' continued Mark, 'because you saw my craft and wanted to find out what was going on, didn't you?'
Reluctantly, Joelle admitted the truth. And from then on, she was 'let in' on the alleged alien liaison. The discussion that night lasted well into the small hours. At first incredulous, she gradually accepted the sensational truth: that Mark was indeed a man from another world. For the next 15 months or so, Joelle had a total of about eight and a half hours of meetings with Mark and another member of his race, a man who, because of his deep voice sounded like that of the actor Valentine Dyall, was given the name of 'Val'. These meetings reportedly took place at several locations in England, including at least two in Joelle's London flat, near Earls Court.

Alien Bases
Joelle told me that, having no knowledge of the subject at the time, she began asking some 'rather stupid' questions. Later, after reading a few books, she was able to make more sophisticated enquiries. Her first question, naturally, related to the origin of the visitors. This was one of a number of things that Mark and Val politely refused to discuss in precise terms: they responded merely that they came from a planet, similar in many ways to Earth, located in another solar system. They also stated that we are not alone in our solar system, and implied that they had bases on two (unspecified) moons of Jupiter. Interestingly, it was reported in 1997 that signs of life, in the form of molecules containing carbon and nitrogen, had been detected on two of Jupiter's largest moons, Ganymede and Callisto, based on data gathered by NASA's Galileo spacecraft. For many years, some astrophysicists have speculated that life might exist in the warm water lying beneath the frozen surface of Europa, the smallest of Jupiter's moons. Thousands of years ago, said Mark and Val, their people had bases on Mars and the Moon. They also revealed that they had a number of bases on Earth, located in South America, Australia, the Soviet Union and elsewhere (though not in the United Kingdom).
Although Homo sapiens originated on Earth, the visitors explained that, to speed up human evolution, they had on two occasions genetically 'interfered' with us. While similar in appearance, Earth humans and extraterrestrial humans evolved separately. Because of their advanced evolution, aliens live longer than Earth people. Val and Mark were extremely refined, fair-skinned, with perfect teeth and a not immediately noticeable peculiarity about the eyes. On one occasion, Joelle says she saw, though did not meet, a dark-skinned man who was a member of the same group.
Mark and Val said they were liaising in great secrecy with a team of scientists from several nations, having initially established their English contacts through Jack eight years earlier. None of those names was ever revealed to me. In addition to Jack, Joelle met two other such scientists, one of whom worked at the Woomera rocket range in Australia, set up jointly with Britain at the end of the Second World War. As to the purpose of the extraterrestrial missions, this was another question that they declined to answer precisely. 'We are not here for entirely philanthropic purposes,' was all they volunteered on one occasion. Whatever the mission, it demanded considerable dedication from the scientists, some of whom ostensibly worked with the aliens at the bases, or even (on rare occasions) travelled to their planet, necessitating their going 'missing'. Ideally, therefore, those without family responsibilities were involved.
In Alien Liaison, I discussed an alleged alien base located at, or in the vicinity of, Pine Gap, America's most secret facility in Australia, some 15 miles from Alice Springs. According to information supplied by Professor J.D. Frodsham in 1989, three hunters returning from an allnight trip witnessed a 'camouflaged door open up in the grounds of the base and a metallic circular disk ascend vertically and soundlessly into the air before disappearing at great speed'.
Officially a 'Joint Defense Space Research Facility' sponsored by both the American and the Australian defense departments, Pine Gap serves principally as a down link site for reconnaissance and surveillance satellites. It was established by the Central Intelligence Agency in 1966 and is run jointly by the CIA and the National Security Agency (NSA). According to one American observer: 'The Australians have accorded the [Pine Gap] facility remarkable hospitality. People and cargo routinely fly in and out, entering and exiting without the burden of customs or immigration checks. The place enjoys almost extra-territorial status.' According to one of my sources, formerly a CIA employee, Alice Springs is considered to be a 'reward' posting - which is not to say that an actual alien base exists, or did exist, at Pine Gap. Nevertheless, there are some intriguing early references to the alleged existence of such a base, located '1,400 miles from Sydney' (which could place it in the Alice Springs area), in letters written by George Adamski. In 1951, for example, he wrote to a correspondent as follows:

"Under very interesting circumstances I had previously been told of a big space laboratory 1,400 miles from Sydney [which] has been in operation for the past three years. I was made to understand that space ships could be landing there [and that] a communication system could be going on through this laboratory between earthmen and spacemen . . . It wasn't given to me as definite fact, but as a possibility from which I was to draw my own conclusions."

If there is any truth to this rumor, the implication is that the laboratory was functioning in about 1948, years before Pine Gap was officially known as a satellite intelligence-gathering and relay base. In replies to questions from the same correspondent a few months later, Adamski explained that he had acquired the information in 1949 from a scientist attached to the Chilean government, a former commanding officer in the Chilean Air Force. 'A communication system is definitely going on,' wrote Adamski, 'not only there but in [the United States] as well.
Regarding the existence of alien bases in the United States, in January 1952, prior to his first contact in the Californian desert in November that year, Adamski spoke with a marine engineer from Alaska who claimed that spacecraft regularly landed in a certain area in that state. According to the unnamed engineer, the 'space people' he saw ranged in height from three to six and half feet.
I include the foregoing information from Adamski for three reasons: first, it pre-dates any publication relating to the existence of alien bases on our planet. Secondly, as discussed in Chapter 7, Joelle claimed to have met a similar group of extraterrestrials to those who contacted Adamski in 1952 (and who regrettably were obliged to discredit him). Joelle's contacts also informed her that they had a base in Australia, location not specified, where they liaised with a team of human scientists. Finally, one of my most reliable and well-connected sources has learned that a number of such bases exist worldwide, and that a limited liaison between extraterrestrials and our people was established in the late 1940s. Interestingly, the locations of two of these bases were given as somewhere in Alaska - and Pine Gap.

Continuing Contacts
On one occasion, Joelle said she was invited to inspect a spacecraft at close quarters. This turned out to be the same craft as the one she saw at a distance in September 1963. On this occasion, in the vicinity of the Welsh border, one of the scientists was being taken to a base in South America. Joelle told me she was poor at judging sizes, but estimated that the width of the landing legs was about three inches and that the inverted mushroom-shaped pads were possibly an inch or so wider. Apart from a series of round portholes, no further details of the craft could be discerned, as it was dark at the time. Also, the entry point was out of her view. She was not allowed to go aboard, though she did touch the hull, which later caused her to feel 'slightly ill'. Shortly afterwards, she and Rosamund drove up to the top of a nearby hill to watch the craft take off. With a sound as of a swarm of bees, it rose vertically, slowly at first, then shot off, illuminated, at an angle.
Joelle said she helped the visitors in a number of ways. Once, they asked her to translate a certain Russian manuscript at the British Museum. Also, on more than one occasion, she cooked meals for them at her London flat. Both Mark and Val had 'perfect manners', enjoyed drinking wine with their food, and had a great sense of humor. They stressed a desire to be treated normally. 'We may be thousands of years in advance of your people,' they said once, 'but please don't look on us as angels.'
Mark and Val did not rely on telepathy to communicate between themselves; they also spoke their own language. When communicating at a distance with the scientists, they used a type of radio system with pre-arranged 'secure' frequencies, using tiny radios strapped to their wrists. More sophisticated methods of communication could be used, as Joelle was to discover. Arriving back at her flat on one occasion, she was astonished to see Val standing in the living room. 'How on Earth did you get in?' she asked, as she went to greet him. 'Don't come near me - don't touch me!' he said. 'Just calm down. I'm not actually here.'
Val went on the explain that what she saw before her was a projected image, effected mentally between minds as a means of enhancing communication from a distance. 'Maybe it was, as he said, just a picture in my mind,' Joelle told me. After a short discussion and a farewell, the 'picture' simply faded out. This particular phenomenon has been reported in a number of contact cases, including that of Cynthia Appleton.

The Home Planet
On one occasion at her flat, by means of a certain technical device, Joelle said her friends projected for her some three-dimensional still images (similar to our holograms, though more realistic) of their home planet. Certain kinds of trees could be seen, as well as houses, mostly circular in shape though not all of identical design. Tubular-shaped vehicles, which travelled just above the ground, were shown. These could hold up to four people and were programmed to stop at certain points, unless otherwise desired. Animals shown included cows, similar to certain of our breeds, though smaller.
Joelle learned that weather on the home planet was not as drastically contrasted, neither were the seasons the same, as on Earth. The aliens did not eat as much as we do, and consumed a great deal more fish than mammal meat, which was seldom eaten. Fruits were plentiful, and a fermented drink similar to wine was produced.
No separate countries or governments existed, as such, though from what Joelle could gather, there was a type of 'council'. No social or racial divisions existed. Though there was no money, a system of 'credits' was used. One did not get something for nothing and everyone had to contribute to society in some way. Even those normally engaged in, for instance, scientific work, took their turn at performing more menial tasks. Couples restricted themselves to two children, who matured much earlier than do humans. There were no hospitals: injuries caused by accidents, for example, could be healed by sophisticated machines.
Music was enjoyed, though different from ours. Stringed (not bowed) instruments were mentioned. Val and Mark made a point of emphasizing how much they liked our music.
It was implied that travel between the visitors' solar system and ours was 'virtually instantaneous', Joelle told me, though they declined to give her any details as to how this was effected. In any case, she felt that she probably would have been unable to understand the modus operandi. They did explain, however, that certain differences in their planetary environment made it difficult for them to live on Earth without periodic 're-conditioning', a process similarly reported by some other contactees, such as Howard Menger. From what little Joelle was told about this, I infer that these difficulties related principally , perhaps not wholly, to atmospheric pressure and gravity. While Mark and Val were working here, it was necessary for them to undergo re-conditioning or 'decompression' about every four days, either in the spacecraft (including a giant carrier craft) or at their bases. They required no more than four hours of sleep at night.
The visitors pointed out to Joelle that, were she to visit their planet, 'you may not see us'. This could imply that they existed in another dimension or 'frequency', though Joelle was inclined to the view that our less well-developed physical senses, vis-a-vis our limited perception of the electromagnetic spectrum, would be responsible for this condition. She always emphasized to me that, in spite of their technical, mental and spiritual advancement, her extraterrestrial friends were physical beings, requiring physical sustenance and transport. She also had the impression that they were not necessarily dependent on planets, their carrier craft being completely self-sufficient.

The Home Office
In 1967, three years after the last of her meetings with Mark and Val, Joelle claimed to have received a visit from two representatives of the Home Office in London. The men began by asking questions relating to the 'disappearance' of Jack and Rosamund and some of the other scientists, who by this time were supposedly living 'elsewhere', perhaps at a base in South America. Joelle presumed the men had located her from one of the missing scientists' address books they found at his home. In any event, they were knowledgeable about the story. Joelle politely refused to answer certain questions. 'You don't really expect me to answer that, do you?' she would reply; a response which seemed to please the investigators.

A Spiritual Link
During the course of her meetings with Mark and Val, Joelle learned a great deal. She did not tell me everything, and on a few occasions I noticed that when she might have been on the point of a keen revelation, she suddenly stuttered to a halt. She believed that somehow she had been hypnotized to prevent her disclosing any sensitive information; a hypnotic block effected without recourse to any conventional induction method.
If Mark and Val were reluctant to discuss their origin and technology and the actual purpose of their mission, they were more forthcoming on other subjects of discussion. Generally, they explained once, they preferred to exert their formidable powers of telepathy when influencing humanity, though on occasions they had interfered directly. They would do so in future, for instance, in the event that a nuclear catastrophe threatened to destroy our planet - perhaps with severe consequences extending beyond it which might impinge on them. Other extraterrestrial beings were coming here, they said, who were not so well disposed towards us, though no further information was made available.
In addition to the visitors being responsible for genetically 'upgrading' the human race on two occasions in our distant past, it was alleged that a few of our great spiritual leaders, including Jesus, were genetically 'engineered' by a type of artificial insemination, in an attempt to instill Earth people with spiritual concepts. The reluctance of this particular group of extraterrestrials to communicate with humanity at large was due mainly to the fact that we are not psychologically or spiritually ready for contact with a higher civilization, and it is necessary for us to evolve independently. Essentially, Joelle was informed, we are spiritual beings, surviving beyond death.
For Joelle, the experiences with her friends remained a treasured and vivid memory for the rest of her life.
Seldom do we hear nowadays of encounters with spiritually advanced extraterrestrials. Have they left our planet for ever? Are they alive and well but engaged in less ambitious projects? In any event, I often wonder if a principal reason behind their presence here on Earth is related to the very survival of our planet - as an alien base.
'What a beautiful planet,' they once remarked to Joelle. 'Such a pity you're destroying it . . .'

TerraX
http://planbfromthebacardiroom.blogspot.com/

Here are a few snippets from some of Charlie's answers and a question or two:






OK, this last part here, "this is mostly caused by the Anomaly's influence causing the Moon to move higher and lower along it's orbital path", this is what I have been seeing without a doubt at times at night.



brightstar

and a bit more:








More later, I have to go run some errands.



brightstar

PB> yes, I know of his research. It shows the power of the mind. Emoto!! What a perfect name. lol!



PB> ZT?



PB> Interesting point. So you're saying Service-to-Self types broadcast themselves to to who? Aliens? Evil spirits? Illuminati? This makes sense in the bigger Truman World analogy. Enter HAARP and electromagnetic mind control.



PB> "So as above." It's the Illuminati theme of existence, no? But that theme has truth to it. Our thoughts give power to the spiritual world. (Life-after-death spirits, angels, hyper-dimensions beyond time and space, etc.) In return, the "other side" gives back the thought energy but boosted in power. This back and forth action generates the direction of our existence. If we generate dissonance on the micro-level, the macro-level responds by returning dissonance. If we generate harmony on the micro-level (mind-cellar-EM), then the macro-level responds by returning harmony. The fact that the solar system duplicates the atomic system isn't coincidence.

Despite my not trusting Dan B.'s character, his message of "unity for harmony" is in fact the determining point as to whether we have a destructive passing of Planet X or a harmonious one. (Assuming Planet X exists.) I give him credit for that. But all this play-acting that he's doing, it just doesn't pass my BS meter test.

Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree on whether Planet X is on a destructive course with us or not.



PB> I believe the Age of Aquarius is here, but we've just failed to come up to speed fast enough. I'm still hopeful. You know the 100th monkey theory. All it takes is one person to break through and then pass the knowledge on to 99 others and BINGO!



PB> So you wouldn't rule out the possibility that aliens (angels) could alter the course of Planet X, if they wanted? Or that they could give us the technology to do it ourselves? They gave Tesla plenty. And if the Ganesh "tree of life" was discovered?

It's not so much that they 'changed their mind'. First, recall that the Vatican has been aware for most of their existence of the cyclical poleshifts in our history, hence the attempted arson attack on Glastonbury Abbey from whence the Kolbrin was whisked away about a millenium ago. Second, while a handful of the power elite had been told about it, following the revelations made to Ike Eisenhower, it was a closely-held secret goal of NASA - in fact one of the prime missions for its establishment - and as such many didn't know of this thing they weren't supposed to be tracking. Third, once it was blurted out in Dec. of 1983, the cat was out of the bag, though the cons in the government tried to put the genie back in the bottle. Rob't. Harrington, as mentioned earlier, was assassinated due to his bragging about the fact he had sighted 'X'.

Next. Since only a tiny sliver of the world's population of over 6 billion souls is aware of what's coming, and considering that over 70% of them live near the coast, with a substantial number of the remainder living in other 'danger zones' (near a volcano, a fault line, etc), then it is highly likely that indeed the 90% die-off figure could be reality. Not 2/3rds, as you put it, but 9 tenths. As brightstar has copied over from "Charlie", their efforts were seen as being very helpful "even if only a few more thousand survived than otherwise would have". To suggest that keeping mum about it is the better course of valor is, to my mind, the heighth of arrogance and criminal complicity in genocide. You might prefer being kept in the dark, so that the end may come more mercifully for you, but others shouldn't have to put up with arrogant elites making that decision for them.

Also, you are making that vast leap from micro to macro that we just discussed; move that DNA sample even one INCH and I'll take your supposition seriously (along with eating the hat). Our Wishful Thinking/Prayers/Expressions of Love/Meditation/Chanting etc. will not change a celestial event that frankly isn't manifested by fear but is a regular feature of our solar system. Your supposition that the 'T-1' and 'T-2' was more of a reality than a Rosy Scenario made of a fine gossamer fabric suitable to clothe an emperor, and sold to the gullible and selfish human elites (where emperors come from) by the bamboozling aliens, needs to be compared at length to the 'opposite' POV more closely. Having alternate timelines such as was sold to the STS MAJI is more conducive to Wishful Thinking rather than true love and compassion for humanity. True compassion would insist that the common folk be given the same information to make up their minds as the elites were. We just saw how hollow the claims by Chi'el'ah to Dan were; perhaps the information from the 'other' faction (not the ones that Dan Burisch was ever entertained by) of zetans is in fact more accurate. The process of elimination alone argues for that.



Why are they so important? Why do we need to 'defeat' them? Can't they simply be marginalized by ignoring them, or do we do that at our own peril? What 'power' do they have other than the money they control (and therefore all the power that money can buy)? Between owning the means of production, the means to create and mold public opinion, the insidious pervasiveness of "signals intelligence" (Dadmiral's specialty) and their alliance with the Church's powers (as well as that of organized Jewry), they have all the power they need without having to draw more from the blood of dead babies and the rape of young children (and whatever other activities they do in their black enclaves). I think far too much has been made of the 'Illuminati'; their pervasiveness even includes their own farcical reflections in the popular media.

PB> ZT?

---------Yes, "ZT" is the acronym for "ZetaTalk", which you can find at http://www.zetatalk.com (surprise!) and new "ZT" is written in response to questions taken on Saturday afternoons from 5:30pm Central Time until 7pm at GLP (http://www.godlikeproductions.com, where this 'Golden Thread' began, on Oct. 2, 2003). If you aren't familiar with it yet, and even if you decide you don't accept its premise, it is always healthy to know the references as we do discuss them here (see brightstar's post above). An example of "ZT" is the snip below, titled "The Service-To-Self Call" made in 1996, shortly after the beginning of ZetaTalk.



PB> Interesting point. So you're saying Service-to-Self types broadcast themselves to to who? Aliens? Evil spirits? Illuminati? This makes sense in the bigger Truman World analogy. Enter HAARP and electromagnetic mind control.

dd> Er, somewhat. That wasn't me saying that, it was me quoting Nancy Lieder quoting her Zetan contacts that allegedly telepath information to her (they are in the same house during the weekly chats; not to be confused with mere 'channeling' though some would suggest that). The statement is that humans make their Call by broadcasting their rage/anger etc. and the STS aliens find the human broadcasting this energy, then come to lure him/her with siren songs of encouraging words that help encourage that human to decide to cast their lot with them. (STS aliens don't dress up as 'satanic' or even as Ozzy Osbourne; in fact, they're more likely to dress up like Catholic priests or businessmen, the better to bamboozle the selfish elites).

More replies to your other questions later.

Hi Softkiller.



I just wanted to ask you a question? Are you able to get on the Time Travel Institute site today? Every time I try tonight I keep getting this:

Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to the site owner reaching his/her bandwidth limit. Please try again later.
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Apache/1.3.41 Server at www.timetravelinstitute.com Port 80






I have never gotten this before from there.

At any rate, I second Dondep's request with you that you invite Charlie to come here ok, please?



Thanks,


brightstar

Hello Brighstar:

That's correct.
Today, March 31, 10:20 UT, it's the same banner like yesterday. Me too: never saw anything like that before.
I think a great idea inviting Charlie to this forum.

Peace.

Uncle John here: Ask yourself, authorized by whom?

This statement presents that d&m&thugs are not controlled by the top level human control structures, but they are controlled or authorized by others.

D&m&thugs are working for the offworlders and this statement clearly points this out.

do people really bother to ask such questions anymore?


i did hear that the Golden Thread is still ranking over eagles -- i find it amusing since those on the GT do not even try

In Conversation with David Icke
Sedona, Arizona, February 2009

http://projectcamelot.org/david_icke.html

Please take the time to watch and listen to that conversation between Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan & David Icke.

From my part, what David Icke is talking about encompass everything we have been searching for.
This discussion express, in a perfect manner, the general way I've been thinking/feeling for the past 8 years.
Also, the process that he had to went through (with his logical mind) is very similar in many ways of my own pathway.
Every subject he's talking about resonate in me because they are things I've been discovering myself and that I know to be the truth.
I learn nothing from that discussion, it's simply a beautiful summary.

As a example, I really like when he says that those who really understand something can express it in simple manner and even explain it to [apparently but not] less intelligent beings. And he says that as a reference to the academic world, in which I've been living in for a long time. And that's just one tiny thing, but personally, I still have a lot of resentment against those intellectuals in the academic world. They are suppose to be the wise men in our civilization but they are fools. I see it as they have betray us. Yet, I know they are simply stupid.

But like a quote in a certain movie: You & I Have UNFINISHED BUSINESS !!!!

Anyway...in brief for all: All type of knowledge ultimately means self-knowledge.

So... I guess it's simply:

1-Take the space/time/energy to learn about yourself. [Expansion of your consciousness]
2-Take the space/time/energy to learn about everything that you feel you need to learn. [Tools]
3-Have no fear. Learn why you still have some fear. Try to confront them with love when you feel ready to do it. [Evolve]

And so, the only thing remaining ...(and that is the way I feel now), is to find out about that factor X that they are discussing in the end of the conversation. Either to be nibiru or a transition electro-magnetic/cosmos energy/whatever or an unknown force to us or all of the above. Is there any factor X anyway?

So that's it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Xt-XeWnHM

Brightstar, et al,

What observational technique are you using to measure the deviations in the Moon's orbit that you have seen?

Many thousands of amateur astronomers observe the Moon; many with the precision of larger observatories. Why have none reported the orbital anomalies?

Many thousands of amateur astronomical telescopes have pre-programed observational coordinates that control servo motors to automatically position the scope to view specific sites on the moon. If the moon is out of orbit, these programs will not work.

If the Moon is not where it should be, why do we hear no reports of this?

Hi Simmering Frog,

I am not trying to sound flippant now ok, but the only things I used were my eyes. You would have to see where I live kind of to understand. There is a mountain out in front of my house. Now the moon goes left to right say across the sky in a location on the other side of this mountain most of the time in this left to right direction which is east to west. I can stand on the front porch and see this.

Then the moon is not on the other side of this mountain, so I have to literally step off of my porch and look up over the edge of the roof to try to find the moon and there it is up over the roof top, yet it still goes left to right, but now it is in a different location, then some days later its back over the mountain going left to right. So, this tells me this is not just some little quirk of movement. That is a great distance for that much movement if you understand what I am trying to tell you here and I have observed this several times, so this is how I have observed it.


brightstar

I cannot answer why others have not reported on this, I can only say what I have observed. But I can also say to that when this movement occurred then our weather changed from warmer to colder. And it was not like I went and looked every single night, but when I let my dogs out I would take a look to see if it was out over the other side of the mountain where it usually should be and when it isn't, then I step off the porch to look where it is.

I am sure that in big cities or towns most don't pay that much attention, too many distractions for the most part, but I live out in the woods with out all of those distractions so it is easier to notice.


brightstar

Very true, Brightstar. I must admit my knowledge of astronomy is negligable so I wouldn't have noticed anything out of place with the moon or sun's movements. Don has previously commented on the sun wobble from measuring it's path.

I found your posting about 'Charlie's' revelations very interesting. As I've previously remarked here, I tend to sit on the fence when it comes to the Planet X stuff but I'm open-minded in that I'll read all the evidence coming in from various sources and be objective about it, happy to be convinced if the evidence is convincing. I was amused at the SNEDs hysteria over 'IT' and how adamant they were Don was wrong and the bogeyman - why were they so anti and vocal about this, I asked myself? Why not just say 'well, maybe, maybe not. Let's see what else is forthcoming to convince us.' Evidence I'd say they are totally motivated in pulling the wool over the public's eye. Why else are they still running their multiple stupid forums, full of personal abuse, trying to discredit the personalities (notably Dondep) as they can't find real evidence to counter what he says. It's the oldest trick in the book, discredit the competition by any means, personal smears and slander included, when you can't fight a fair fight. But they expect us to blindly except their version of events. SNEDS long ago blew my trust by their manner alone and the lies, contradictions and dishonourable behaviour. Why trust ANYTHING coming from that mouth!

To the poleshift and 'Charlie's' remarks. Likewise with the poleshift evidence and I must admit it does seem to be stacking up from credible, if unverifiable, sources now. I'll stay open-minded as always, but admit to having a feeling of deep concern when I think about it. Supposing this is true and due to happen, scenes from the recent BBC drama 'Survivors' comes to mind, groups of humans struggling to overcome the situation in a world with no electricity, running water, phone network etc....fighting each other for scraps and the unprepared preying on each other and those of less selfish intent who try to organise together for everyone to benefit. It's a bleak picture.

I look forward (if I can call it that!) to seeing developments and would be very interested to hear more from 'Charlie.'

Note to those reading the latest tantrums on SNEDs Says; it's actually quite sad, the tirade and threats. It's obvious Dan B. is trafficking in our private communications, and I wonder how he sleeps knowing he's violating the US Constitution in doing so. I won't trouble the readers here about it, except to say I'll post my response in SNEDs Says later.

Meanwhile, a more interesting avenue has intrigued us:



Then hopefully we'll get a response to my email to him earlier. Just to let those of you emailing or PM'ing me about it know I've invited him over to answer questions.

While we're waiting, and for those of you who haven't received a compilation of his postings at the TTI:

{Disclaimer: I'm not inclined to accept any claims of 'time travel', particularly in light of the most recent date-that-didn't-happen, but this is from 'Charlie' in his own words when he re-introduced himself last year on the TTI forum.}

For those of you who have Gmail; you'll notice "New! Gmail Autopilot" on the top of your screen. If you click on it, you'll get quite the shock:

http://mail.google.com/mail/help/autopilot/index.html

Sample "Business Proposals":



and "Personal Relationships":



and "Match Your Personal Style":




and finally, a "Control Panel":



Remember, it's APRIL FOOL'S DAY!

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Now, back to Charlie's earlier posts at TTI:



Now that last bit is a philosophy I can agree with.