Yep, Unified but you know what? I'm proud to be an American and I'm proud to live in one of the most generous nations on Earth.

Some might call us suckahs - but I don't feel that way. We are blessed to have the opportunities we have in this great land - recessions, depressions, corrupt gubmint, oil spills and all.

When it is all said and done common folks, the unwashed masses that live in Middle America, have it better than anywhere else on Earth - even with our credit card debts, overvalued homes and big screen tvs.

And I love it!

I end my posting here with this story which seems to echo the mentality of some here.

Let's bury it under the sand pretend it doesn't EXIST..

lovely Bluebonnet. I am always in awe of American homes. Even with Katrina. Many of the home's in the worst area look better than those worth twice as much in the UK.

Hello.

I think the people who are suffering from "mass hysteria" are the ones who line up for days to spend their cash on an overpriced product made fairly cheaply in a foreign land.

Have you seen Apple's profits recently on the back of the products made by Foxxcon? It's quite incredible. No wonder every Fund Manager wants to get Apple Inc into their portfolios. Apple's market capitalisation is now higher than Microsoft's, although to be fair, Jobs and Co have really been visionaries and capitalized on how phones would develop into smart phones/mini computers, whereas their competitors have been slow off the mark in that respect.

I realize this is a capitalistic world we all live in and every company in existence wants to maximize its profits on a yearly basis, but Apple (and others like Dell) are at fault because they're making billions of dollars in profits on the backs of Foxxcon workers who get paid a pittance for their efforts. It's these people who deserve bonuses. Foxconn -- a Taiwanese company BTW, not Chinese -- has recently increased wages by 20% to "boost morale" at their Shenzhen factory, but the conditions there are still harsh and have been described as prison-like. Without these workers, they'd be no iphone or ipad (or Dell or Nokia products either.) I dread to think what the price of the latest incarnation of the iphone would be if it was put together in North America or Europe. You'd probably have to be a millionaire to buy it though. I don't think an American or European worker would work for $3 a day...

I understand the point you're making, UnifiedCause, but it goes to prove my point that we in the west want our cake and eat it. We want affordable products (unless you're lining Jobs's pockets and forking out for the latest generation iphone )and a return on our investments -- but we want others elsewhere to do the donkey work.

Forum Mate Shady,

I feel your tone has become hysterical, shrill and now offensive. What makes you so superciliously antagonistic toward forum participants who challenge your proclamations' sans source and wet with gore?

"No... no may your right there Lynwood may your stomach's can't handle reality.. And we should return this forum to Space Aliens, and Telepathic Space Brothers from Zeta..."

I had no idea you hold our conversations in such low esteem. Perhaps you are indeed needed elsewhere? Might you consider posting these rants into Shady's Corner thread so that we uninformed and misguided oil slaves may foppishly discuss our "Space Aliens" et al without interrupting your regal doom thunder. If then we desire discussion of the environmental travesty in the gulf with you the venue is excellent.

Your theatrical and overbearing tone becomes offensive.

Best of all futures to all, Grist

Hey look its 100s of Dolphins trying to make it to shore before the Human Greed Crude (now polluting their home) KILLS them!

No problem it doesn’t’ exist!

Hey lets take the kids to Googlepex to see "Toy Story 3" Yea lets take in a FEEL good movie tonight...

I do agree with you MJC. I suspect every company want's to maximize it's profits. Want's to spend as little to do it. We should also be aware that this is not only happening in China but India and countries that don't even make a 2 second blip on the news. Every product nearly in our homes in US and Europe is manufactured in China. We all are aware of this. But what to WE do to stop it? To ensure the billions are paid a decent wage? I am afraid in this economy that runs there needs to be poor and underpaid workers. I don't see the Millionaires, Billionaires, Fortune 500 companies etc moving have everyone on the same page with the same equal opportunities. But will this stop you buying any product marked "made in china" knowing a child / adult was paid "x" amount for "x" amount of possible hours?

I do hope things change for the better, but unless things change in other area's first this will be a difficult battle.

Kind Regards

There is an old saying there Grist..

"If you don't have enemies in life your most likely are not doing anything worth while in life."

I bet EVERYONE loves you.


Good day.

I find it very interesting when a disagreement on venue and ferocity makes me an enemy to a self appointed savior. What's worse I wonder, the cure or the malady? Are you suggesting I am your enemy now Shady? Sad that. And uncalled for.

As for friends? I do alright; perhaps because I don't bash them over the head with my opinions or consider myself superior to them and can carry on a civil conversation without an insulting derogatory tone.

Everyone have a wonderful weekend please, Grist

Shady your walking along that line again that you seem to like to test from time to time ...

You have a right to post about the spill in the gulf in fact I encourage you to spread the word, even if its NOT fact based as of yet as it still gets the point across that BP is doing JACK SHIT to clean up their mess. I am totally with you in the BP fight.

However when a forum member asked you for links there is no need to get all defensive and sour on them, please remember the Golden Rule and respect fellow Forum Members...

Thank You
L2L

Yea I know.. I know I walk as Johnny Cash used to sing "I walk the line" :)

But enough of that...


SURF AT PENSACOLA BOILING WITH METHANE BUBBLES!

Anyone has any more footage PLEASE let me know..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a52k2DOE ... r_embedded




I am reminded of that passage in the Christian text.. "An behold I saw the sea as if on flame (boiling) and 1/3 of the Ocean was dead." or along those lines...

We might be seeing Biblical prophecy come into play.!

TEXT TO ABOVE FOOTAGE:

Believe it or not that's up to you I'm just reporting it.

I lived in Florida from birth to 21. This event is just devistating!

I do think if this gusher is not stopped very soon, it could very well be a panet killer...JMO

Now This...FWIW.
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"COREXIT" is the primary dispersant being employed. It is a NALCO product:

NALCO

Nalco Holding Company NYSE: NLC (formerly Ondeo Nalco) supplies water treatment and process improvement services, chemicals and equipment programs for industrial and institutional markets. These products and services are marketed in some cases to prevent corrosion, contamination and the buildup of harmful deposits. In other applications they are used in production processes to enhance process efficiency and improve customers’ end products.

Nalco currently serves more than 70,000 customers employing over 11,500 employees operating in over 130 countries.

Among its products is Corexit which is an oil dispersant and is widely being used in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

History

The company was founded in 1928 in the United States as the National Aluminate Corporation formed from the merger of Chicago Chemical Company and the Aluminum Sales Corporation. [1] In 1959 it changed its name to Nalco Chemical Company and was publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange under that name from 1964 until a French company, Suez, purchased it in 1999. After a name change to Ondeo Nalco Company then another change in ownership in 2003, the Company went public again, returning to the New York Stock Exchange in late 2004 under the name Nalco Holding Company.
In 2007, Nalco achieved sales of more than US$3.9 billion.

Exxon Mobil Ties

Nalco has had ongoing ties to Exxon. In 1994, Nalco and Exxon Chemical Company announce the formation of Nalco/Exxon Energy Chemicals, L.P. to provide products and services to all facets of the petroleum and natural gas industries. Then in 2001, NALCO, which then was called "Ondeo Nalco," strengthened its leadership role in the petroleum industry when Nalco/Exxon Energy Chemicals, L.P. became became part of the company through redemption of Exxon Mobil stock in the joint venture. Today, Daniel S. Sanders, who previously was president of Exxon/Mobil Chemical Company, a subsidiary of Exxon Mobil, serves on the company board of directors.

http://www.nalco.com/index.htm

New Government Reports Find Dispersants Are Working To Break Up Oil And Having No Negative Consequences for Clean-up Workers

(Naperville, Ill.) Nalco (NYSE: NLC) Chief Technology Officer Dr. Manian Ramesh today welcomed the Federal government's assertion that the use of dispersants has resulted in "no exposure levels to any chemicals that are of any concern.”

http://www.nalco.com/news-and-events/4397.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orjr233T ... r_embedded

COREXIT Ingredients

Several weeks ago, Nalco responded to US EPA requests by providing the agency with detailed formulation and ingredient information on our COREXIT dispersants. We further agreed that this information could be shared with any other federal agency and with third party laboratories EPA has been using for its Gulf monitoring and assessment program to allow them to monitor any potential for risks to the environment or public health.

The table below outlines the same ingredient list for our COREXIT dispersants as provided to the EPA.

CAS # Name Common Day-to-Day Use Examples
1338-43-8 Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate Skin cream, body shampoo, emulsifier in juice

9005-65-6 Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs. Baby bath, mouth wash, face lotion, emulsifier in food

9005-70-3 Sorbitan, tri-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs Body/Face lotion, tanning lotions

577-11-7 * Butanedioic acid, 2-sulfo-, 1,4-bis(2-ethylhexyl) ester, sodium salt (1:1) Wetting agent in cosmetic products, gelatin, beverages

29911-28-2 Propanol, 1-(2-butoxy-1-methylethoxy) Household cleaning products

64742-47-8 Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light Air freshener, cleaner

111-76-2 ** Ethanol, 2-butoxy Cleaners

* Contains 2-Propanediol

** This chemical component (Ethanol, 2-butoxy-) is NOT included in the composition of COREXIT 9500

COREXIT 9500 is the sole product we have been making for Gulf responders since the spill began. Limited quantities of COREXIT 9527 may have been drawn from existing dispersant stockpiles from around the world. COREXIT 9500 does not include the ingredient 2-butoxy ethanol, an ingredient in COREXIT 9527.

Both COREXIT dispersants have been approved by the EPA as part of the National Contingency Plan for treating oil spills.

In addition, a May 2010 report by the Centers for Disease Control concluded that “because of the strict guidelines that must be followed to utilize dispersants, it is unlikely that the general public will be exposed (directly) to (the) product.” The report further states that “ingredients are not considered to cause chemical sensitization; the dispersants contain proven, biodegradable and low toxicity surfactants.”

Seven Facts About COREXIT 9500 OIl Dispersant

Following the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico on April 20, Nalco was called upon by the response team to provide Corexit 9500 to help minimize the effects of the incident on the shoreline and other sensitive marine sites, because it is EPA-approved, safe, effective, and has a long history of successful use.

1. The EPA continues to state that the use of Nalco’s dispersants has been effective and has not significantly affected the marine environment.

• As the EPA noted on its website on May 27, “toxicity data does not indicate any significant effects on aquatic life. Moreover, decreased size of the oil droplets is a good indication that, so far, the dispersant is effective” in the Deepwater Horizon response.

• The EPA analysis came as a result of aggressive monitoring that is being conducted by BP in the Gulf of Mexico.

• In a May 24 press conference, EPA Administrator Jackson stated, “Our tracking indicates that the dispersants are breaking up the oil and speeding its biodegradation, with limited environment impact.”

• USCG Rear Admiral Mary Landry echoed Administrator Jackson’s statement by saying Corexit has prevented “much more” highly toxic oil from reaching US shorelines.

2. All of the ingredients contained in Nalco’s dispersants are safe and found in common household products, such as food, packaging, cosmetics, and household cleaners.

• Individually and collectively the ingredients are safe when used as directed.

• Corexit is approved for use by the EPA because it falls well within the agency’s range of allowable toxicity levels.

• Corexit products biodegrade rapidly, do not bioaccumulate, are not human carcinogens, do not degrade into endocrine disruptors, and are not reproductive toxins.

• Environment Canada studies show that Corexit 9500 is more than 25 times as safe as common dishwashing liquid.

• The amount of dispersants in the Gulf equal about 30 parts per billion when dispersed across the area of the oil slick and to the 10 meter depth the dispersants will spread oil through.

o This is 1/10th of 1 percent of the level of the product tested under EPA standards and a far lower level than the EPA allows in drinking water of several non-biodegradable elements that are highly toxic, carcinogenic, and/or reproductive toxins.

• On May 24, Administrator Jackson stated, “we know that dispersants are less toxic than oil” and that “the number one enemy is the oil.”

3. Since the oil spill on April 20, Nalco has been providing dispersants to responders at their request.

• Soon after oil began leaking, the government requested dispersants to help minimize the effects of the accident.

• We immediately shipped our stocked supply, and increased production in order to respond to requests.

• The response effort is being led by the Coast Guard, NOAA, EPA, Department of the Interior, in conjunction with BP.

• These responders are continually consulting with on-the-ground response teams to make decisions related to the use of dispersants.

• These response officials make the determination of how and when dispersants are utilized, based on factors such as weather, sea conditions, and the composition of oil.

4. The Nalco dispersants being used to break apart the oil have been used for over 20 years to successfully combat oil spills, both domestically and internationally.

• No other dispersant on the EPA approval list has as long a track record of safe and effective use.

• Our dispersants are used in over 30 countries, including Australia, Norway, and Canada, in response to oil spills.

• Our dispersants are meant to be used at sea – away from the shoreline.

5. Our sole focus is to help the responders mitigate this incident, and improve the outlook for those who live along the Gulf Coast. We have been in the water, oil, and gas treatment business for over 80 years, and dispersants are a very small part of our business.

• Because of the highly unusual Gulf response, sales of our dispersants are at a level equivalent to approximately 1 percent of expected 2010 Company revenues.

• Recognizing the broad impact of the spill on the Gulf region, Nalco will donate $2 million of its sales to the Nalco Foundation, which the Foundation has committed to using to support organizations conducting relief and clean-up efforts.

• We believe it is our corporate responsibility to respond to requests to minimize the effects of the spill, as well as to assist those who live along the Gulf and derive their livelihood from the region.

6. Corexit is an effective dispersant that works by bonding to the oil molecules and separating them from water molecules – thus breaking up the oil.

• In other words, the process works like dishwashing soap that breaks apart oil and water in a kitchen sink.

• In the ocean, they break down oil into droplets that mix with seawater. The droplets are then digested by naturally occurring micro-organisms.

• Dispersants inhibit oil from forming a slick and make oil less likely to stick to animals, shoreline rocks, and vegetation.

• Dispersants are usually used on the surface of the ocean and distributed by aircraft flying over an oil spill.

• Responders recently began injecting dispersants directly into the stream of oil emerging from the ocean floor. The EPA approved this tactic after conducting testing and analysis and continues to monitor air and water conditions in the Gulf and has found no harm caused by dispersants.

7. As the government explores the use of alternative dispersants,
Nalco remains fully committed to remediation efforts in the Gulf.

• We are cooperating fully with the government during this process and plan to continue assisting in any way we can.

• In fact, Nalco has facilitated the trials of other products by providing its dispersant delivery equipment to responders.

• We support a science-based process for determining the best solution to mitigate this disaster. Still, we believe strongly in the safety and effectiveness of our product.

Shady that Video of Pensicola Florida is absolutley SHOCKING

Why is teh MSM not reporting this, it's aboslutley a crime of historic proportions

sorry shady, i'm having problems with the link you provided concerning international aid being refused.

i go to the website...but there must be a couple hundred articles on that page! i've tried various searchs via 'find on this page' for 10 mintues and it does not come up.

it's interesting though that i did find reference to the very same post, and most of the following posts you made immediately after that..are on GLP. posted by a guy by the name of Scrump the texan? "Scrump's the texan newsletter" 6/24/2010 @ 8:46pm. he too posted all aid has been refused and went so far as to make quite a list to prove it.

only problems is...if you take the time to go to the link provided at the end of his 'list'...you go to a pdf file. i will post the link here for those who wish to check into it.: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/143488.pdf

right away i i have a problem. for one, the list good ole scrump provided is NOT up to date. he has neglected to state that the netherland skimmer offer was accepted on May 23. He's also not updated his list to show that there are items of foreign aid that BP directly paid for, in lieu of payment from the U.S. and there's a peculiar pattern showing up. Except for a few offers of aid...every single one of them require reimbursement. so, i have to wonder also exactly what market value the foreign countries are placing on their 'offers'. the point is though, that everything i just posted is on that pdf file that he linked his info to.

scrump then gets into political rants, which, imo, are just as unfounded. if not out right lies. wether he has intended to spread lies or not, i dont' know. i do know he's hasn't bothered to check his info before posting it.

I am in complete agreement with Dayo on his theory we could be seeing in that video Methane Hydrate build up in the gulf. A critual mass event to KA BOOM! bye bye Gulf States and a good part of Florida.

I pray to god its not the case.

There has to be more footage out there before I can nail it but it clearly looks at this point as Methane Hydrate buld up into the critual mass level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSMnmOZAwoU




BP Oil Spill: Silenced Scientists Are Breaking Their Silence!!!!

Thanks to "AnotherBroMark" for this video. Even if you are not a Christian, there is some very important information to take from this video!!!

Listen to the beginning portion of Dr. Scott Johnson's Breaking Gulf Updates on this latest special edition of his Current Events and Bible Teaching series here

http://contendingfortruth.com/sermon_id=85

WHAT THE U.S. SCIENTISTS ARE FORBIDDEN TO TELL THE MASSES AS TO THE GULF
What you are about to read, is what the scientists in the United States are not allowed to tell you in great fear of the Obama administration. They are under the threat of severe repercussions to the max.. Scientists confirming these findings cannot be named due to the above, but what they believe, they want to be known by all.

Take a U. S. map, lay it flat and measure inland just the minimum 50 miles of total destruction all around the Gulf of Mexico as to what you will read below. The carnage to the United States is so staggering, it will take your breathe away. Should what the scientists, who are trying to warn everyone about, is even close to be true... all of Florida will be completely destroyed and everyone and everything on it. You decide!! Everyone has the right to read what I have just written in this article, as well as to what is written below by the scientists who the Obama administration and BP are trying to shut up. Please share with as many as you can.
Dr. James P. Wickstrom

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/201 ... ogSpan.jpg

SUMMARY OF WHAT IS HAPPENING
The estimated super high pressure release of oil from under the earth's crust is between 80,000 to 100,000 barrels per day. The flow of oil and toxic gases is bringing up with it... rocks and sand which causes the flow to create a sandblasting effect on the remaining well head device currently somewhat restricting the flow, as well as the drilled hole itself.

As the well head becomes worn it enlarges the passageway allowing an ever-increasing flow. Even if some device could be placed onto the existing wellhead, it would not be able to shut off the flow, because what remains of the existing wellhead would not be able to contain the pressure.

The well head piping is originally about 2 inches thick. It is now likely to be less than 1 inch thick, and thinning by each passing moment. The oil has now reached the Gulf Stream and is entering the Oceanic current which is at least four times stronger than the current in the Gulf, which will carry it throughout the world within 18 months..

The oil along with the gasses, including benzene and many other toxins, is deleting the oxygen in the water. This is killing all life in the ocean. Along with the oil along the shores, there will be many dead fish, etc. that will have to be gathered and disposed of.

SUMMARY OF EXPECTATIONS
At some point the drilled hole in the earth will enlarge itself beneath the wellhead to weaken the area the wellhead rests upon. The intense pressure will then push the wellhead off the hole allowing a direct unrestricted flow of oil, etc.. The hole will continue to increase in size allowing more and more oil to rise into the Gulf. After several billion barrels of oil have been released, the pressure within the massive cavity five miles beneath the ocean floor will begin to normalize.

This will allow the water, under the intense pressure at 1 mile deep, to be forced into the hole and the cavity where the oil was. The temperature at that depth is near 400 degrees, possibly more. The water will be vaporized and turned into steam, creating an enormous amount of force, lifting the Gulf floor. It is difficult to know how much water will go down to the core and therefore, its not possible to fully calculate the rise of the floor.

The tsunami wave this will create will be anywhere from 20 to 80 feet high, possibly more. Then the floor will fall into the now vacant chamber. This is how nature will seal the hole. Depending on the height of the tsunami, the ocean debris, oil, and existing structures that will be washed away on shore and inland, will leave the area from 50 to 200 miles inland devoid of life. Even if the debris is cleaned up, the contaminants that will be in the ground and water supply will prohibit re-population of these areas for an unknown number of years. [End of scientists information release]

http://doctorjamespwickstrom.blogspot.c ... en-to.html

What's shocking me most is there are reports on Twitter and elsewhere that the shoreline of Florida is FILLING up with Sharks, Dolphins, Mantas, EVERYTHING are heading to shallows along the Gulf of Mexico side.. That means there is no more room in depths of the Gulf or no more Oxygen.

That means the Oil and Methane pulm is MUCH MUCH MUCH larger then we're being told.. its also going down into gulf and and ALL Marine life is trying to escape it by going to the shallows along the shore lines..

As of this hour there's a report of mass beaching of whale too!

Like a Forest fire with the deer running away a head of the fire.. Tonight it seems ALL marine life is trying to get away from this thing deep in the gulf..

The only thing that could be is Methane..

Frankly Shady, I am with you 99% on the Gulf. I am active on a Gulf Blog site and I strongly suggested to folks IN THE GULF COAST AREA that they best get OUT OF THERE, SOON, before they get directed to the nearest FEMA Camp in the near future.

Anyone else think it is interesting while one the greatest environment devastation is occurring and worsening each day with a possible evacuation displacing millions of Americans, the American government is interested in killing the internet for it's citizens?

I can just see it now. Things in the gulf getting worse, evacuations occurring throughout the gulf states, army reserve and private companies being deployed. Millions of citizens displaced and taken into ready set up and waiting Fema camps. The media is strictly controlled over what is published as thousands if not millions of Americans are forcefully detained and controlled. Cell Phones suddenly won't connect due to the overwhelming pressure on the networks. And then suddenly the net is blocked in either the selected states or throughout America. No one see's the video's posted on youtube or the first hand reports posted on blogs and forums.

Anyone entering or trying to enter the evacuation zones is detained and removed. Cell Phones, Camera's confiscated. Meanwhile across Europe and Asia the Middle East etc things continue as normal.

Am i being too crazy in this scenario? Am I seeing pieces that seem to fit too well when they don't to you? Here is hoping I am very very wrong.

Here is a link to the story about the kill switch order for the Internet - http://fromtheold.com/news/big-blow-int ... 18689.html

Kind Regards

YES!!!

Isn't that a interesting connection.. OBAMA pushed it threw these past three weeks.

OBAMA now has a literal and total operational KILL Switch on the Internet.. WHY?!?!?

Bush didn't want this nor need it.. but Mr. Transparency Obama now has TOTAL and complete control over the internet..


Isn't that interesting.

Also interesting....

EXCLUSIVE! OIL SPILL IN GULF - Hand of God? Connection to Israel?
Is there a spiritual, biblical connection to the BP oil catastrophe?


A new video on YouTube is suggesting a possible link to the disaster due to America's recent treatment of Israel, and at least one well-known Bible analyst, Hal Lindsey, thinks there's a valid correlation.
The video was produced and posted today by Carl Gallups of the Hickory Hammock Baptist Church in Milton, Fla., and is embedded here:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=170373

The HUFFINGTON REPORT MAINSTREAM this isn't Rense or Coast to Coast AM but Main stream news folks.. Even they are starting to smell the wind and they don't like what they see!





.. You know what folks all I'm waiting for at this point is for Obama to fly to Israel and declare himself God! On the Temple Mount... if you know your biblical history you know what happens next..

Shady

Thank you! I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one thinking that.

True..

But they give the links to the ORIGINAL source in the copy of the post.

Do you read that far down Shawnna before going on a debunker crusade?

Shady