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This is the TRUE American Spirit.. The Spirit of 1776 your angery about something and their not listening to you? You organize and take it to street enmass!..

Just showing two pics from the Rally see the rest at the links provided..

Oh and where was Hessian Obama the Toke Boy of the Illuminati Banksters??? Ah well he didn't want to tarnish his Arab image and appear with the Islamiobic Americans...




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New York City, Sunday, June 6, 2010, – by El Marco


Stop the Mosque at Ground Zero Rally – Part I
www.lookingattheleft.com/2010/06/stop-t ... o-rally-2/

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Ground Zero mosque protest draws thousands

New York City, Sunday, June 6, 2010, – by El Marco

Pamela Geller, the co-founder of Stop Islamization of America, speaks passionately about jihad, sharia, and why the idea of a mosque in this spot is so wrong.

The crowd gathers. Tower 7 is the tall building in the background.

Simon Deng, who was enslaved as a child by Arabs in his native land, Sudan, speaks. Slavery, genocide, terr0rism and sharia must not be tolerated. Many Americans, including Mayor Bloomberg, don’t understand enough about what Islamic countries are like. Even in the more moderate moslem countries, like Egypt, churches are burned and there is no tolerance of other religions. Former Moslem Noni Darwish, who grew up in Gaza and Egypt, also addressed the rally. She said “We are threatened right here in America by mosques that are issuing fatwas against us…I understand the symbolism of a mosque…they’ve been built historically on the sites of Jewish temples, churches, Hindu temples — it’s a sign of being conquered. After they conquer a country, every church, every temple, must be converted to a mosque. You know the people who come here and ask for sensitivity training: where are the churches in Saudi Arabia? Even in Egypt, the churches have been burned…Do we need an area of pilgrimage for muslims in New York? Our 3,000 fellow Americans who were killed on 9/11 are looking down on us, and they are saying we don’t want to hear “Allah hu Akbar” any more.”

There are moslems who understand that the location for the mosque is a bad idea too. In aneditorial in today’s Boston Globe, Jeff Jacoby writes:

“Stephen Suleyman Schwartz, a devout Muslim and director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism in Washington, notes that the spiritual leader of the Cordoba Initiative, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, describes himself as a Sufi — a Muslim focused on Islamic mysticism and spiritual wisdom. But “building a 15-story Islamic center at ground zero isn’t something a Sufi would do,’’ according to Schwartz, also a practitioner of Sufism. “Sufism is supposed to be based on sensitivity toward others,’’ yet Cordoba House comes across as “grossly insensitive.’’ He rejects Rauf’s stance that a highly visible Muslim presence at ground zero is the way to make a statement opposing what happened on 9/11. Better, in his view, is the approach of many Muslims “who hate terrorism and who have gone privately to the site and recited prayers for the dead silently and unperceived by others.’’

Robert Spencer of Jihadwatch. From his report:

“By the time the rally was in full swing, the crowd filled the pens, the park, and the other side of the street. Police estimated that 5,000 people were there, and other estimates ranged as high as 10,000. The crowd carried signs expressing their love for freedom, their contempt for Sharia, and their anger at Islamic supremacism and insult to the memories of those murdered on 9/11 that this mosque represents.

And we had a full spectrum of top quality speakers. There were 9/11 family members, including C. Lee Hanson, who lost his son, daughter-in-law and granddaughter on 9/11. There were people who experienced the oppression of Sharia firsthand, such as the Egyptian ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish, the Sudanese ex-slave Simon Deng, and the Hindu human rights activist Babu Suseelan. There was Dennis McKenna, who worked recovering remains from the ruins of the World Trade Center; Alan T. DeVona, the patrol sergeant on duty on September 11, 2001; and Keith LeBow, an ironworker who was one of the first responders on the scene on September 11. There was Herb London of the Hudson Institute and Beverly Carlson of the Band of Mothers — and a host of other speakers, all lovers of America and lovers of freedom.

The theme among all the speakers was common: the mosque is an insult to the Americans who were murdered there. It is a manifestation of a radically intolerant belief system that is incompatible with the freedoms guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. And even with all the political elites against us, and the mainstream media indifferent or compromised (5,000 to 10,000 people at the rally, and no mainstream media coverage!), we will prevail. All we have on our side is the truth.”

Dan Maloney of Gathering of Eagles, a veterans’ group whose motto is “fighting the insurgency at home”. Our men and women who are deployed in the middle east and elsewhere are putting their lives on the line, but so are those who are speaking out against radical Islam here at home.

The brave organizer, Pamela Geller. See her amazing blog, Atlas Shrugs. There are videos, interviews, and text about the Ground Zero mosque, about honor killings, sharia, and much more. Add it to your daily reading list if you want to understand Islam and the middle east.
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AH yes and then you have the whinny bleeding hearted Liberals and Socialists (that mind you have never left their Poetry/Coffee Houses) screaming against Iseral for defending herself. Screaming that poor Jews that their baby killers and all that BS..


Well Take A Good Hard Look At What Iseral is up against with the Palestinians..

If I were IDF Soilder I'd blow them away too!

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^^^^^^^^^ Yea yes isn't that sooo lovely after you've written your check out to Palestinian Relief Fund.. That's the thanks you get!

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I thought I clicked on the Open Minds forum but it turned out to be GLP.

By the way, Shady. I'm politically a liberal. but I've never been in a coffee house.

The Israelis murdered people on that first flotilla. I never approve of murder.

I agree with some of your comments about the religion Islam, but as a retired teacher I've known some Islamic children and their families who were highly ethical in their behaviour, and would never ever condone pedophilic behaviour.

Your last several posts resonated with a hateful energy that I rarely see on this message board.


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Shady,

I’m not a mod, so this is only my opinion, but I find your anti-Muslim posts above deeply offensive, insulting and entirely contrary to the spirit of The Golden Rule here.

The same – or similar – catalogue of horrors might be said of virtually any religious movement throughout history. This does not – and should not – be license to disrespect the good faith or honest intentions of the vast majority of ordinary believers. To insult Islam so egregiously is to insult all religions – an ugly and contentious practice which I thought we chose to avoid here.

It is besides utterly beneath you, my dear friend.

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I'm only showing you what the Western Liberal controlled media is not showing us in the West but is NIGHTLY shown on Arab and Middle Eastern television;

Arab television out right states it nightly. They intend to turn Europe and then USA into a Muslim State. Using the West's own humanitarian and liberal hearts against the West.

You do know of course that in such places as the Neatherlends and now England its IMPOSSIBLE to buy Any product on VISA or credit cards that are "Against Islamic Religious Law" That's right you can't buy pork products on your credit card for example.

Where does it stop? How long will the West be "apologenic" towards Mulisms?? Until their stoning you in streets of London, Amsterdam? Berlin







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Shady,

I’m not a mod, so this is only my opinion, but I find your anti-Muslim posts above deeply offensive, insulting and entirely contrary to the spirit of The Golden Rule here.

The same – or similar – catalogue of horrors might be said of virtually any religious movement throughout history. This does not – and should not – be license to disrespect the good faith or honest intentions of the vast majority of ordinary believers. To insult Islam so egregiously is to insult all religions – an ugly and contentious practice which I thought we chose to avoid here.

It is besides utterly beneath you, my dear friend.

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Shady, you commented:
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“....Where does it stop? How long will the West be "apologetic" towards Muslims?? Until they’re stoning you in streets of London, Amsterdam? Berlin…”


That’s not the point.

The point is not to begin the stoning yourself….not to cast the first stone…. not to participate in mutual stupidity.

The only way to avoid spiritual politics is not to engage in it in the first place.


I must be candid here: I personally have “very strong (hah!) :flame :flame :flame feelings” about the actions of certain groups that use “religion” as their cover for politics, greed and power. Sure. Of course. You’d be blind to miss it. But these entities need to be challenged on their own terms; let’s leave the good aspects – and there are many – of broad-scale religious faith and the spiritual search of ordinary people out of the equation, shall we?

I refuse to engage in the wholesale hatred of people I’ve never even met…..Wars are made of that. Genocide is made of that. Don’t go there, my good brother. Get a grip.

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This is a war for our VERY survival as civilization here in the West. And we better start waking up to that realization. THEY MEAN BUSINESS and that is bring down Western Style Democracy and replace it with Muslim Religious Law.


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Woman Stoned to Death In Mecca

Her Crime? Wearing Western Make Up and driving a car in the Kingdom of Sadi Arabia.


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This is a war for our VERY survival as civilization here in the West. And we better start waking up to that realization. THEY MEAN BUSINESS and that is bring down Western Style Democracy and replace it with Muslim Religious Law.



Whatever.

In any war, the first victim is Truth.

You are running scared, my friend. Panicked and trying to spread panic.

I know you like to post "Kazowie! OMG!" stuff.

But I refuse to take the bait here.

Enough said, I think. I return to my meditation.

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Shady,

I’m not a mod, so this is only my opinion, but I find your anti-Muslim posts above deeply offensive, insulting and entirely contrary to the spirit of The Golden Rule here.

The same – or similar – catalogue of horrors might be said of virtually any religious movement throughout history. This does not – and should not – be license to disrespect the good faith or honest intentions of the vast majority of ordinary believers. To insult Islam so egregiously is to insult all religions – an ugly and contentious practice which I thought we chose to avoid here.

It is besides utterly beneath you, my dear friend.

In peace,

Selene

I'm with Selene on this one Shady. You've quit teaching and started preaching brother. These reactionary snips are getting to be a bit over the top with hate and fear mongering to inflict within a group that I think likely follows international news pretty well to form their own balance through their own intellectual pursuits. Perhaps you could start a new thread somewhere else on the site but The Golden Thread to express your opinions on these matters. Those who wish to be educated by your cut and pastes so inclined may do so by choice rather than force.

Thanks Shady. I knew you'd understand.

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AH yes and then you have the whinny bleeding hearted Liberals and Socialists (that mind you have never left their Poetry/Coffee Houses) screaming against Iseral for defending herself. Screaming that poor Jews that their baby killers and all that BS..


Shady - I've never been in a coffee house either and don't consider myself "whinny" at all. A bleeding hearted liberal/socialist - you betcha! ;)

As to the posts - I, too, find them offensive and lacking in the spirit of and adherence to the Golden Rule.

I have always supported Israel's right to exist. Some of my very best bat $hit crazy lefty friends are Jews and even they have openly condemned the actions of the Israeli government.

I don't really know what the purpose of these posts is all about but I can tell you that simply stirring the shite on the GT for your own amusement will not be tolerated. Nor will this behavior be tolerated by others who choose to engage in this type of behavior.

Please read and obey the Golden Rule at all times.

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Shady I have come to expect more from you than this. This is hate posting! I normally look forward to your posts and though I disagree with some of your thoughts I have found them interesting, however this is down right disgusting!! You are placing yourself in the same radical realm as the terrorists themselves. Islam is not a violent hate filled religion! It is the radicals that turn it into a hate filled excuse to do the evil they do!!

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Every-one calm down shady's stressed that's all!!

He feels Islamists are encroaching he doesn't know he's fallen for there game!

Shady Chill dude everything will be okay they are generating CASH off everyones fears!

do you think TPTB will let this happen I doubt it! they would see this as a terrorist attack! Because "The OLD MEN" are just as nuts.

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Shady, I have to agree with the folks above about this muslim-bashing. I was on jury duty today and only checked in just a few minutes ago and was greeted with a barrage of anti-Islam, pro-Israel hate speech. Yes, blowing up oneself in order to retaliate against Israel is wrong, when it kills a lot of innocent people, but squeezing the life out of the Palestinian people to "punish" them for voting for Hamas is ALSO wrong, and the cycle keeps going on and on and on and on......and the only thing this kind of approach does is continue the endless round of bloodletting and destruction. No good comes of it. If you feel strongly about an issue, why not apply some logical reasoning to putting an end to it? The "truth" that folks here would wonder if we're pursuing, rather than just using the space to rant, is.......what? That blowing up Israelis is wrong? Yes, we all know that. Is anyone pointing out what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians is also wrong? Taking their homes and property, because it's been "given to them by God" and they are only "claiming their divine inheritance"? No, but it doesn't pay off to have this forum degenerate into the same conflict going on in the mid-east. There's enough hatred on both sides, and most of us here also recognize the fact that Islam's "Sharia law" treats women as second-class citizens, but does that mean we all have to be exposed to this 'piling on' on all things muslim? I think it's the policy of the wankers in the selfish and megalomaniacal elite to pit the average citizen against each other, by egging on their "righteous indignation" so that we're at odds with our neighbors instead of focusing on how they are plundering and exploiting the planet. No good comes from bashing; it only creates more animosity. What can logically solve the problem? It certainly isn't exterminating the Palestinians, or stampling out Islam by the power of the sword. You say a mosque near 'ground zero' in Manhattan is outrageous? Start a petition! Report on the petition that's already circulating! Write something up that shows why this is a bad thing! Answer the challenge in a positive way! And no, I'm not going to fall for that red herring about "coffee houses", etc. I wear my heart(s) on my sleeve - all three of them - and they're all guarded by serpents. What was that saying again? I know HS remembers it; "be as peaceful as doves and wise as serpents"?

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Speaking of serpents check out my eye!

Pause it at 0:37 / 0:38 and check out my eyes


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It is your duty to kill anyone who will not bow down to Allah.

Jewish holy books say anyone not born of a Jewish woman is not a human being, and must be treated as such.

Am I supposed to embrace this as freedom of religion, and allow it to be lawfully enforced where I live?

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Ideas such as those should not be lawfully imposed. But I prefer to consider what people actually believe, and I think many don't believe ideas such as these .

Some do, sadly, but I think they're a minority.


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Ideas such as those should not be lawfully imposed. But I prefer to consider what people actually believe, and I think many don't believes ideas such as these .

Some do, sadly, but I think they're a minority.


I so hope you're right Midnight.

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Shawnna, I'm trying to project positive energy in the direction of our troubled Planet Earth, but you are right to question whether the population devoted to caring about others is actually a majority of the population.


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Folks you live in a fantasy world.

Human history has shown you time and time again. When you become complacent, when you grow fat, dull and into a mu laze then "Sudden destruction" befalls you. Rome learned that lesson the hard way. And Western Civilization will learn that lesson soon..

That's all I'm going to say.


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That's all I'm going to say.


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