Yes, MSNBC is showing the funerals too now, Marco. They have the reporters at the tent city where the survivors are. They say that there are a lot of aftershocks too, some even felt in Rome itself.

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Here's what one of the experts has recently said about the March 27 3:18pm image so far:



So, the jury is still out. The data is inconclusive. We're left to ponder whether it is or isn't, and apparently no-one can prove either at this point.

Exactly.

DonD

I'm cross posting this, so, this gets fixed.
I don't know this person, he's on another forum, so, good luck to him and all others sharing the similar problem.

Dex
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Dex, I just joined the GT just to ask Charlie some questions. My handel there is the time traveler. However I still have not gotten an email confermation yet so that I can post. How long does that take? Jim b

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Dex, he (or she) appears to be registered, and should actually be able to post any time now. Questions like this should be directed to GT Admin., but if you can alert the Wisconsin 'time traveler' at the 'other forum', please ask them to attempt to post. Before doing anything else though, click on "FAQ" at the very top of every page. This in particular might apply:



Email me at dondep@gmail.com if there are further problems (you can email me directly, "time traveler" if you're still having problems). Sometimes an email program may direct the auto-generated response to a 'spam' folder, so have him (or her) check that as well.

I re-read your response. I'm still missing where you mentioned the Tree of Life being the genetic material of Annunaki Royalty. Interesting concept to contemplate.



I did find this comment though and hope you will follow up on it. You may have already done so and I missed it. (btw, where did the Active Mind section go?)



Are you saying Adam's descendants were taken off Earth and so were the hybrid slaves (Jews?) that were created to mine gold?

Lots to ponder. It's all new information for me so it's taking me a while to grasp the whole picture -- and retain it.

Interesting avatar, also. (Dex, do you recognize which species Marco's avatar is from?
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I have no idea. Looks more like what you'd imagine an insectivore would like...Dex
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Dex, what do you think happened there, in Sedona? Did the profit motive overtake the artistic community? Did McCain's arrival sour the crystalline counter-culture? Are tie-dyes on Republicans as incongruous there as they are elsewhere? That entire advertisement by 'Bill, the discoverer of the Sedona vortexes' smacks of "spiritual commercialism", as you describe. It's what sours a lot of the 'interested few' on these matters; everything seems to revolve around money.
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We didn't know anything about John in those days.
I felt like I knew half the population the first few months of living there.
My mom stopped by one time and thought about staying. She said she never experienced a community like Sedona before in her life.
She told me everyone she'd met was friendly and wanted to help her stay if she wanted too.
She was amazed.
As word got around, the wealthy people from L. A. and actually from all over began moving in and the cost of living started rising, which ironically, besides Sedona's beauty, started pushing out the artist these people were attracted too.
Life began changing.

All of us loved living there. People were exciting and always endeavoring in something creative.
I don't think very many people have experienced an environment quite like Sedona was in those days. I've traveled a lot and I still haven't to this day.

The commercializing became more a contamination of things.
People got to find ways to make a living. We did what we had to do to live there.

Dex

Timeline_Charlie,

What do you know about Hitler? Which aliens were helping him? Are they the same ones helping the "shadow government" and Area 51 black op projects?

If the Anunnaki did not leave behind their hybrids, why is there so much focus on "blue bloods" or royalty throughout history? Was Moses of Egyptian royal blood?

Were the Anunnaki blond-haired and blue eyed? Apparently it's a scientific fact that the blue-eyed gene came into existence 12,000 years ago. What is the significance of this?

What is the purpose and significance of Freemasonry? Did Jesus have descedants.

Dondep,

I am enjoying this discussion about Planet X. I have not come across anyone who has such a comprehensive knowledge of the subject as you seem to have before and I have already learned from you a lot more about it than I knew previously. So, thanks for being you and for addressing yourself to my queries so patiently.

As you may have guessed I have not accepted the reality of Nibiru/Planet X as a physical planet but I wish to assure you that I am not wanting to dissuade you, or anyone else out of your belief in it and neither do I wish to be persuaded in favour of it. I am not coming at it from a proof/disproof perspective. Rather, I am interested in understanding how we human beings create our own realities and how we can deal with the situation when a clash of perceived realities occurs as it seems to be doing in this case.

I think the clash is occuring over the question of the so-called "known laws of physics". You see, in order for Nibiru/Planet X to exist in our space-time matrix as a physical planet with the characteristics that you describe, I feel pretty sure that the established laws of physics would have to be changed quite radically. We can tease out the details if you wish, but I can assure you at this stage that a planet-sized body with two opposing "wings" composed of iron-oxide dust and other, larger debris gyrating in tightly coherent magnetic fields, is an impossible object according to conventional physics. I think it would probably be in all our interests to consider carefully how those laws of physics would change and what kind of new reality they would impose upon us before we accept the reality of the planet's existence. I feel that this question may also have some bearing on the issues surrounding the Doctrine of Convergent Timelines and the nature of time-travel as presented to us by people like John Titor and now Charlie. The question of what kind of reality we want to be living in, come the not-very-distant future, seems to me to be the central issue. Let me respond to the individual points in your previous post now.



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The problem is that, according to conventional physics, magnetic field-strength attennuates according to the inverse-square law of distance, as with light and gravity. Therefore it diminishes rapidly with distance from the attractive body, meaning that if it is strong enough to keep even small grains of iron oxide (let alone whole moons) trapped in a cyclone at a distance of what looks like ten or fifteen planetary diameters, it is going to be extremely strong at the planetary surface, perhaps of the order of thousands of Gauss, not unlike the intensity at the surface of the sun. Furthermore each column of material, all held to the planet by gravity (and possibly by magnetism too) would imply a collossal pressure at its base. This would be communicated laterally (as well as vertically) at the planet's surface where it would create a corresponding atmospheric pressure all over the planet. There is simply no way around this as far as I can see. Unless Nibiru/Planet X is obeying different physical laws to the ones that modern astrophysicists believe in, it has to be a high-temperature, high-pressure, high-energy world like Jupiter or a brown dwarf (i.e. something between a planet and a star).



Biological processes as we find them on earth are basically special, elaborate chemical processes that all occur due to the exchanges of electrons between atoms and molecules. But in high-energy environments, such as those on the surfaces of stars and massve planets like our familiar gas giants Jupiter and Saturn, the electrons all get stripped away from the atoms and molecules and no chemical reactions can take place. So no chemically-based bodies can evolve in such environments and would need to be specially shielded from the planetary environment somehow in order to survive in it. This would mean that if the Annunaki live on the high-energy surface of Nibiru/Planet X and do have chemically-based bodies, they could not have evolved there and would need to live in specially insulated dwellings and wear protective suits every time they went outdoors. (All assuming that the conventional laws of physics apply.)



I'm afraid the conventional laws of physics contradict you there too. You see, because of the cube-relation between physical size and body-mass, large body-size militates against high gravity. This is the reason why very large terrestrial creatures, such as whales, can only survive in water. Put them on land and they collapse under their own weight. On the other hand, very small creatures have no problem with terrestrial gravity. Leaf ants, for example, think nothing of carrying around leaves that are 5,000 times their own weight! So higher gravity tends to induce smaller body-size, not larger.



Interesting statistics, and without doing a lot more calculation I could not really add much more information to the overall picture than I have already provided. If the Annunaki had evolved in water, that would enable them to have larger bodies than if they had evolved on land. But if the figures you have given for the relative size and mass of the magnetic core and the overall planet are accurate, this would suggest that the planet is composed mainly of very light elements. In that case the force attracting objects to the planetary surface may be mainly electromagnetic rather than gravitational. But the same princiles regarding pressure (and therefore temperature) at the surface apply and lead us to the same conclusions if the conventional laws of physics apply. It would still be a high-energy world, albeit that the form which the high-energy took was more electromagnetic than gravitational. And that fact probably adds to the problem of rationalizing all these supposed qualities and characteristics, since we would normally expect the captured moons and other debris to form an accretion disc around the planet (like Saturn's rings) instead of two polar opposite "wings".



Ah yes, I'd heard about Nancy Lieder's "white lie". More a dark shade of grey I would have thought, but I guess all things are relative in the moral universe that I am obliged to inhabit with her. But does this remarkable coincidence suggest some kind of co-operation between Dan Burisch and the Zetas to you? It does to me.



I guess "UFO" is inappropriate, since it's not exactly "flying". But on the other hand we don't know that it's orbiting really, do we? In which case "UOO" would be inappropriate too, no? Errm, how about just "UO" for "unifentified object"?



If you peruse the patent applications that have been made for unconventional engines over the past, say, 30 years, you will find countless variations on the theme of "centrifugal engines" and "revolutionary intertial drives", which generally rely upon the principle of variable centrifugal force generated by eccentrically revolving masses. Conventional wisdom says that they cannot work and that they defy Newton's laws of mechanics, but when you really look at them closely you find that they do not defy Newton's laws at all and they should work just fine. The real objection to them appears to be not scientific but political, because if these things ever got into commercial production they would destroy the lockdown control of space-travel technology currently enjoyed by the USA and the other big powers.



I think it is very likely that the hidden PTB do have such secret space travel technology. The centrifugal engines that I mentioned above would be easy to manufacture and would enable vehicles to be propelled through space without the need for vast amounts of propellant to be spewed out behind as it must be by rockets. They would enable space travel to be carried out at constant acceleration instead of constant speed, thereby enabling a short moon-hop to be achieved in 3-1/2 hours at 1g acceleration. Earth to Pluto at 1g would take somewhere in the region of 30 days. They would also lend themselves to rotorless aircraft propulsion so rotorless black helicopters would be one obvious possible application.



I believe such reverse engineering has gone on, although I have no more information on it than is already widely available on the net and in the few books on the subject like Col. Corso's that you mentioned. But I am convinced that the human mind is capable of anything and I cannot see any reason why it should not be able to invent everything that ET is capable of inventing independently of ET. Can you?



I guess the Annunaki may have been content to do that, but it does seem an awfully roundabout and inconvenient way of geting their gold to me. Couldn't they just synthesise it out of other elements that were readier to hand like we would?



It is a sad situation. But I am sure the truth always presents itself to us sooner or later if we attune ourselves to it. "Perseverence furthers" as the I Ching would say.



I shall look forward to that Dondep.

Marco,

Thanks for the info on the translation, I wonder if Charlie use babel fish rather than his computer from the future?

I am sorry about the earthquake in you country, but I am glad you are ok.

By your statement it imply that you also believe that the GC event will be large is a forgone event.
What facts lead you to this conclusion?
Can you share them?

Thanks

We just got a cold snap and a powerful wind.
Yesterday, and even the day before yesterday the planes sprayed and spayed all day long and I assume into the evening that I believe brought on the weather change.
It's getting obvious these agencies like playing with their weather modification toys even though it's at the expense of peoples health.

Very disturbing to think about. What kind of people are they? Hmm
Do they believe themselves to be more important in the playing field than anyone else? Hmm

Has someone convinced them their technology use is more important and above human life?

Dex

One of those cliched mottoes I used to cite so often is "Life is only 10% what happens to you and 90% how you deal with it."
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IMO 90% of it is maintenance.

Dex

Hi Dex,

Yes, the chemtrails have been worse even here. I noticed them last week at it again, and it was so obvious it was being done deliberately. Just as soon as the rains stop and the sky is clear, here they start it again and murky up the skies.

They are just wasting their time and their monies, and hurting the earth and the people by doing it all. When they could take all of that time and monies and help the people and the planet more with it. But of course since their thinkings are so squewed as it seems to be, they don't have good common sense. Just more crapola, cover ups and lies as usual, and what is worse is that they do not seem to have enough sense to realize it is all going to hurt them also and they will not be able to escape it all either. But I suppose this is a prime example of that STS mentality unfortunately.



brightstar

r1: These article of December display a Gravitational Lens Effect compare to the sim here:
http://www-ra.phys.utas.edu.au/~jlovell/simlens/lens.gif


This is what Charlie Said...about the Afthermath...(I think that the start point is when the Internet will be partial off : ie fiber optic broken by quakes, submarine cables cut by subduction plates, more satellites down) in the near future... is wise to print using a Laser Printer to avoid the problems with inkjet prints and the Wheather...


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SURVIVING IN THE AFTERMATH - ADVICE TO GET YOUR PREPARATIONS STARTED

Words cannot convey the gravity of the situation that waits should you survive the Pole Shift. It is easy to say “complete devastation” but when you think about it, can you really fathom what that means? For the majority, we would suspect not. Even the best description that we could provide you with will not prepare you for the immense shock you will experience.

The purpose of this post is to get you to think about survival in the aftermath. The information here is the bare minimum essentials that you need to consider and we hope this will provide some direction towards your own preparation research.

Should you survive the primary Pole Shift event, your goal must be to move away from currently established cities and towns into the most remote area you can find. Other like-minded families/individuals will do the same and it is with these people that you should form small survival groups.

The main reasons that it is important that you move as far away as possible from current civilisation is because:

1) Those who ignored the signs even when it was right on top of them (essentially went into denial and will stay in denial until their deaths) will crowd the cities trying to live off the few resources that remain;
2) Gangs orientated toward the Service to Self will form in the cities/towns where they will either attempt to dominate the survivors and/or kill and destroy to try to acquire resources for themselves. When supplies dry up they will eventually head out of the cities to try and find supplies they need from anyone they encounter;
3) Severely damaged and destroyed city infrastructure can be a hazard like exploding gas lines and contaminated water from sewage systems;
4) Most cities are by the ocean which means they will be engulfed by water from the Polar Melt;
5) And finally (and probably the most important), the sheer amount of dead bodies. These will immediately start to decompose and spread disease. Not to mention it is not a good sight for the children you may have with you.

So, although you may start with a very small survival group (eg: just your family) it is important to join forces with those you encounter on your trek to your remote areas. For the most part those you encounter making their way to remote locations just before or immediately after the Pole Shift will be Service to Other. But please use your instincts to determine this. Generally, the Service to Self, along with those in denial, will remain in the cities in the immediate aftermath.

Those who choose to remain in the cities to ride out the Pole Shift, due to family that won’t move or have the calling to help the elderly etc., should attempt to get out with those you care about as soon as possible after the shift.

Just remember the rule when it comes to selecting a location to settle – at least 160km (100 miles) inland from current coastal regions and at least 180 metres (600 feet) above current sea level.

THE MAIN ESSENTIALS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION

The post that will come after this one will describe the final weeks when, if you haven’t already moved away from the cities, you should do so at this time. Therefore, we will work on the assumption that you have ridden out the Pole Shift away from the cities, possibly on route to your pre-determined safe destination.

YOUR PERSONAL PACK
For whatever reason, most probably because your vehicle has exhausted its supply of fuel, you will find yourself on foot before you reach your chosen destination. Therefore, you should prepare a personal pack that you can carry on your back. A good quality backpack is important. One with a hip belt is recommended and in dark colours as not to attract attention. It should also have other external straps that you can attach bulky items to, like blankets (do not take sleeping bags with you) wrapped in three/four garbage bags. The garbage bags should also contain one change of clothing with two or more pairs of socks. On the other strap, should be a small military type shovel. (The first use of the shovel will be explained in the next post detailing the Final Weeks before the Pole Shift).

Inside the pack, you must have at least the following items. As a general rule, ensure everything you can is low-profile (no bright colours) and can be camouflaged.

1) Small Axe – To cut and split wood
2) A Wok – Excellent cooking utensil and good for boiling water
3) Good solid meat cleaver and a small Arkansas Stone in which to sharpen it – This is good for chopping the outside of wood to get to the dry tender for starting a fire
4) Pliers
5) Vice Grips
6) Heavy Duty Metal Shears
7) Two spools of wire – For making traps to capture small rodents for food;
a. One that is 30m (100ft) twisted steel;
b. And one that is 10m (33ft) of No. 14 Solid Brass;
As much salt as you can carry with you – With the monetary system gone, the barter system will be the means of exchange and you will find that salt will be extremely valuable. A generous quantity will be the equivalent of $100 bills
9) Water distillation kit
a. 2 x four litre (1 gallon) paint cans;
b. A metre (3 to 4 feet) of copper tubing;
10) A book that describes (with pictures) edible plants in your area
11) Medical Kit
12) Cooking corn starch – excellent foot powder
13) A Crank Up torch
14) A generous supply of various seeds that you can use to start a vegetable garden

You should also have the correct footwear. This is extremely important in the aftermath and you should purchase a high quality walking shoe/boot that you are comfortable in. It is likely that you will be able to carry more than the pair you are wearing so ensure you have confidence that they will last a long time. Furthermore, you should always wear two pairs of socks – a synthetic against your skin with a wool pair over them – but more about clothing later.

Finally, try to have one of these from the beginning but you should be able to find one along the way with too much trouble, but a walking staff is also essential.

DRINKING WATER
It won’t take you too long to appreciate just how for granted you took on-tap running water. Remember, under normal circumstances, the human body requires 2 litres of water a day to replace fluids lost from urination, breathing and sweating etc. Having a reliable clean source of drinking water should be one of your top priorities.

Apart from the obvious ways of collecting rain water, water can be collected from fog by hoisting a cloth over a bucket or as morning dew can be collected of the ground by dragging a blanket around. Whichever way you acquire it, collecting water will not be a problem. The problem will be the pollutants in the water you collect.

Depending on your location, the water you collect can contain anything from volcanic ash, ash from forest fires, industrial chemicals and more than likely hydrocarbons from dust debris left by the Anomaly.

Distillation is a very effective process and can be done with a lot of improvisation. But if you packed the two paint cans and copper tubing this will be perfect for the job. Boil the water in one of the cans and ensure the steam is directed into the copper tubing with the other end in the empty can. The cooler sections of the tubing with turn the steam back to water and start to fill the empty can.

Distillation will remove almost anything from water including poisons, bacteria, viruses and heavy metals. However, be aware that substances that have lower boiling temperatures than water will not be removed. This can include, alcohol, oils, petroleum. These substances don’t mix with water and therefore can be easily filtered.

And finally, the substances that are removed when boiling remain in the boiler can and must be cleaned frequently.

If you can find any containers made of polyethylene, these can be used to store the water out of sunlight.

HYGIENE
No more going to the store and buying what you need...... Personal care will be very challenging to adjust to in the aftermath but it something that you cannot avoid and being prepared (especially mentally) can assist with your adjustment.

What happens when the toilet paper runs out? There are good alternatives. A bunch of soft green leaves, some use fir cones and even corn cobs (without the kernels obviously) but even these items may be hard to come by. So then you are left with your hands...... and therefore it is extremely important you clean your hands with water and sterilise afterwards with herbs such as juniper and sage.

As water will be a premium, you should only count on showering once a week. This may not sound too appealing to you right now but you will find that when you spend much of your time outdoors in the open air, the wind/breeze will keep you fresher than you think. If you have access or find almond oil, it is good for healthy skin while allowing you to smell fresh. Soap can be made through lye water passed through campfire ashes and animal fat. It won’t have the fragrances of the soap you use today but it will do the same job.

Dental care is also possible and recommended. If you have a toothbrush, use that for as long as possible, even without toothpaste, after each meal. To remove bacteria, slosh hot water around your mouth with your cheek muscles. And with care and assistance from others, a small syringe can be a substitute water pick.

CLOTHING
Depending on your location, you will find that the local climate in your area will be different after the Pole Shift. Nonetheless, you should be prepared with warm clothes.

Your outer most clothing, especially if you are travelling, is important. Avoid cotton as it is a poor insulator and does not dry easily. Wool, polyester and nylon should be your primary considerations. For your upper body, an open weave woollen sweater is good and for the rest woollen pants as your outer layer is also good. Wool does not hold moisture so even when damp/drying out from soaking, wool regains its insulating ability better than most fabrics.

Layering is the key to keeping warm. In addition to the outer coverings explained in the previous paragraph, your inner layer should be some sort of long underwear that is capable of moving perspiration away from the body to the outer layer of clothes. You should try to have several pairs of underlayers to replace should they get too wet. Try to avoid non layered clothes such as ski suits and parkas as they will not allow you to remove them should the temperature fluctuate slightly.

To elaborate further on my previous comments regarding footwear, we cannot stress how important this item is as it is very important to keep moisture away from your feet. Rubber-soled boots with insulation between the insert and the rubber is recommended. Remember, wear two pairs of socks, a synthetic inner with a woollen outer and ensure they are kept dry as much as possible.

FOOD
Eventually any food you bring with you will run out and it is important that you keep a wide diet as much as possible.

Using various bit of metal you find lying about, fashion yourself spears and knifes and teach yourself how to hunt for deer, boar or any where you can get meat from. Protein intake is important. We suggest that you research various methods of setting traps for smaller rodents using the wire from your backpack. If you are located near a river or creek, teaching yourself to net and gut fish is a must.

But until you adapt and hone your skills in these areas, you may find yourself short on food. Using the book you packed as a guide, you will find a range of edible plants and weeds that will stave of starvation.

1) Burdock. Roots can be harvested from wetlands and are similar to potatoes.
2) Bamboo. Good source of fibre.
3) Hickory. Care must be taken when cleaning before cooking to eat
4) Dandelions. Collect towards sunset when the heads have closed up. The entire plant is edible and is an excellent source of vitamins
5) Cattails. Seeds are edible but the pollen is a good flour substitute.
6) Sorrel. A good food enhancer.
7) Chickweed. Can be eaten raw at any stage of growth
And finally, plain old grass...... May not sound too appealing, and trust me it is not too tastey either, but it contains many elements that the human body is made up of. Pick young grass from shaded areas.

Further to plants, there will still be many bugs in the aftermath which can be a good source of proteins and fats. But you need to follow a simple set of rules so you don’t get yourself into trouble:

1) Always attempt to cook insects to kill any parasites that exist with them
2) Always avoid the poisonous ones, the one that have fine hairs, have bright colours and have 8 or more legs
3) Always remove head, wings and legs before cooking.
4) Never eat a bug that you find dead on the ground
5) Don’t try and eat bugs that can bite you back

Okay... let’s start with..... Earthworms, which are extremely high in protein. Ensure that you wash them properly and we recommended chopping them up.

Grasshoppers, locusts, crickets and slugs are edible. Crickets contain amino acids!

MAKING LIGHT
The immense global volcanic activity caused by the Pole Shift will cover the globe in ash that will last for a few decades (it still isn’t completely gone in my time). While there will be light during the day, the nights will be extremely dark especially in the first few years after the Shift.

Never underestimate the psychological impact of light either. Therefore it is important you know how to create light easily.

Learning how to start a fire is a must. There are several methods that you can research and we recommend learning how to start a fire in the rain. Surround with rocks to store and radiate the heat generated.

Oil lamps made from animal fat is good for heat and light. Even the smallest animal has fat which can be found around the internal organs, especially the kidney area. Ball up whatever you can find to about fist-size. A twisted strip of garment (cotton) will do for a wick. Cordage can be made from many barks, grasses, or plant fibre. The wick can be made as big as required: but remember, although larger wicks burn more brightly, they also burn faster. Melt a small quantity of fat in a depression in a rock next to a fire, and soak the wick thoroughly. Form the ball firmly around the wick and you’re done. Make sure the candle is placed in a fireproof container, such as a hollow rock, to catch the fat as it melts. Try to keep the burning portion of the wick out of the oil. This candle/lamp can be used indoors or outdoors.

If you packed your Crank Up torch, you can use this also.

OTHER INFORMATION
When leaving the cities and you have a road vehicle, load up with as much fuel as possible rather than food. This will ensure you get the maximum head start out of the cities. Once out of fuel, abandon your vehicle and continue on foot.

Forming survival communities with other caring and sharing individuals is a must. Combining family strengths instead of going it alone will lead to a greater chance of survival. Communities should not be too big (below 50 people is recommended) as really large groups stand a greater chance of being discovered by raiders/gangs.

Although we did not include this in your items to pack, if you have a firearm we recommend that you take it with you. The purpose for it is not to hunt with (resist the temptation to use it for hunting and conserve ammunition) but to defend your group from the eventual attack by raiders and gangs. If you moved to a remote enough location, it will take many months or even years for you to encounter them but you more than likely will and should be prepared.

Service to Self raiders/gangs will either want to kill you and take your resources or use you to be slaves for them. We do not tell you this so that you turn away those who genuinely need help but so that you are prepared and keep that fact of life in the back of your head.

And finally, The Visitors. After the Pole Shift, The Visitors will not restrict themselves to subconscious contact with the human general population but will start face to face contact. Without getting too deep into another subject, some decades ago Earth’s human population of souls voted to be Service to Other population so therefore only Service to Other Visitors are allowed to make face to face contact after the Pole Shift.

The Visitors will begin first contact by introducing themselves and then isolating pure Service to Other survival groups from other groups with Service to Self elements that are close by. These groups will essentially be cloaked however; these groups will be in the minority. In many cases, these groups contained contactees and were guided to these locations for protection.

The majority of groups will be Service to Other mixed with Undecided and/or Service to Self. Here, the soul orientation lesson must continue without interference in order to reach one result or another. As an example, those groups who were mostly Service to Other but contained Undecided & Service to Self elements and they somehow rid themselves of the Service to Self and the Undecided becomes Service to Other, then first contact will then occur.

Another example would be those groups, who have an equal mix of STO, Undecided and STS and some Undecided move towards STS thus tipping the balance towards that orientation will eventually suffer the same as other pure STS groups. Those STS humans that die will have their soul reincarnated on a STS planet and for the few STS humans that survive in the longer term will be removed in human form and taken to a compatible STS world.

All in all, 8-9 years after the Pole Shift, Earth will be STS free and first contact will be complete.

We are happy to give you this information regarding The Visitors but the biggest mistake a person can make is to expect (or even demand) help from The Visitors in the aftermath. To them, Earth (and humanity) is going through a transformation which ultimately sets every human soul to STO or STS – the catalyst for this being the Pole Shift. They will not interfere with groups/individuals who are still trying to establish their orientation.




We hope that this post has given you something to think about in relation to the conditions and survival techniques needed in the aftermath. There are various information sources on the internet that can assist you further should you require and as always, we will be happy to answer questions you may have.

Our next post will give a very descriptive account of the Final Weeks before the Pole Shift and will be uploaded very soon.


Peace,

Charlie
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Hi mountaintiger, with "GC event" I assume you're referring to the pole-shift.
Well, although I'm new to this forum, I have to say that I'm not completely new to this matters, especially about this coming planet, though maybe not at the point of most people here, the elder registered members at least, who have known about that (at least) since 2003's "grey lie" (I'm sure you can see the connection ).
So, what are the facts leading me to this conclusion?
Many, but selfishly speaking I'm pointing out an interesting one that you know recently happened here (and still undergoing) in my country, the earthquake(s).

We've had what we call "seismic swarm" (an endless series of small tremors) since december 2008, some even say that things started in october. All of this was mainly located at the central spine of my country, along one of the most seismic mountain ranges, the unstable Appennines.
All of the tremors about 2-3-4 on the Richter scale, nothing important.
No one stepped up, almost all the "authorities" saying: "Don't worry, don't panic, it's going to pass etc.". You know, as usual.
And this long phase coincided with Nibiru being "trapped" under the eletromagnetic field of the Sun, below it. A situation that lasted some weeks, months.

And now that we're reaching the end of this first magnetic trimester, the end of April, Nibiru almost freed itself from this "cup" of particles and started pointing directly towards our planet, at least from what some sources state, I think of ZT or even Charlie in some of his posts.
And the situation, here, immediately started to worsen (5.5/6.5 quakes) and you know the outcome.
I apologize if I always refer to this example, I'm not trying to capture anyone's attention, it's just one of the thing I can testify for sure since I live here.
Now the epicenter is going north.
(as soon as I quit the msn conversation with Don, last night, we were hit by a 2/3 tremor, at 4:28 am, and I'm located pretty much north of Abruzzo).

So, is that just a coincidence? Maybe, or maybe not.
Other quakes, the many active (and non) vulcanoes we have, tidal waves etc. will tell us if what we suspect is correct.
Let's hope for the best, and prepare for the worst, as we usuallly say.

This is what Charlie Say about it:
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AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN ON YOUR CONTINENT

The Great Catastrophe had a significant effect on seismic activity during and leading up to the primary shift event. This is due to a rapid separation of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge which causes havoc all over the Earth. All well as changing traditionally predictable weather patterns into erratic ones.

Widening of the Altantic Ridge caused subduction/compression in the Pacific. While this is only happening at slow and small increments right now, the shift caused it to happen at a much accelerated rate. Basically, Tectonic activity that would normally take many thousands of years got compressed into a few short days. As you can probably imagine, this will be an extremely dangerous period for everyone with some in more danger than others depending on their location.

In top of all this, the Earth’s core was magnetically pulled by the Anomaly which all culminated in a dramatic change in the current continental arrangements on Earth along with new magnetic pole locations. Here is a brief summary of what will happen by continent:

EUROPE

Europe was primarily affected by the Atlantic Stretch which increased volcanic activity both with currently active and inactive volcanos. Tidal bore was also significant in the low land areas and areas that lost sea level elevation. Earthquake activity was minor compared to other continents particularly those in proximity to the Pacific Region. Which means they were 7 or 8 and not 9.5’s or higher like most other regions.

Any country along the Mediterranean (particularly Greece & Italy) and it’s many fault lines, which was a tectonic stretch zone, suffered from increased volcanic and earthquake activity. As tectonic stretching is not a release of stress or tension, trapped lava exploded upwards through volcanos. Volcanic fallout was a substantial problem for nearly a decade after the shift.

Spain, also on the Med, was permanently pulled down by approximately 15 metres due to the Atlantic stretch. This makes coastal communities a very dangerous place to be. England, Ireland and Scotland were also pulled down at least 20 meters.

The Balcans mainly were affected by the volcanic ash from the Mediterranean.

Switzerland, Finland, and the lower lands of Germany and France suffered greatly from tidal activity associated with the shift as well as fallout ash from volcanic activity.

Sweden and Norway fared reasonably through the earthquakes and did not have to contend with tidal bore due to their high elevation but couldn’t escape intense volcanic ash.

Russia found itself in a slightly warmer climate after the shift but in its lower lands like Siberia and Ukraine, the polar melt put it all under water. Along with the rising water levels caused by the melt, rain fall also increased and the local rivers and creeks couldn’t handle all the water. Much of Russia was in a perpetual flood after the shift.

MIDDLE EAST & INDIA

India & Pakistan were forced under the Himalayan Mountains by the Australian plate due to Pacific compression. The earthquakes associated with this were very violent leaving few survivors. As a double blow, the crust rearranged positioned India near the new South Pole causing a dramatic change in climate.

Nepal’s climate also changed due to its closer position to the South Pole.

Karachi was swamped by tidal bore due to low elevation but was made worse when its eastern side was pulled slightly downwards when India got pushed under the Himalayas.

Iran & Iraq are essentially now Polar Regions being that close to the new South Pole having been pulled away totally from the African plate.

AUSTRALIA

Australia dramatically changed due to the shift. Pacific Compression forced nearly 60% of the continent underwater due to the Australian Plate being connected to the Indian Plate. However, due to the sinking of Western Australia and most of central Australia, the eastern states rose up and had still gained land after the polar melt. This will also benefit New Zealand.

The sinking of the western side of the continent was fast enough that the ocean just kept heading inland at a swift pace. There were very few survivors.

Those who survived on the land that remains above water will find what was once East is now North and close to the equator.

AFRICA

For the most part, Africa remained above sea level even after the polar melt and the west side now faces north. Due to the difficult circumstances of living in Africa with it’s people facing serious hardship, the survivors will mostly be no worse off after the shift and that statement is by no means a good thing.

ASIA & THE PACIFIC RIM

China rode out the shift well. Much of China’s land is high above sea level thus evading the shift tidal bore and polar melt. But China geographic position will be closer to the new South Pole and therefore changed its climate slightly.

Hong Kong was destroyed by the quakes and tidal bore with the polar melt being the final nail in the coffin.

The highlands of Taiwan survived the tidal bore and the polar melt but its proximity to volcanos from neighbouring countries rendered it a difficult place to live after the shift.

Japan did not do well leading into the shift nor well in the shift itself. Due to Japan’s position on fault lines, it suffered from immensely powerful Earthquake activity, some volcanic activity and massive tsunamis.

Korea was basically destroyed due to significant Earthquakes, new volcanos followed by the tidal bore.

Vietnam, Thailand and Indonesia experienced significant Earthquake activity, tsunamis and tidal bores. But the end of these two countries was the polar melt.

Aside from the quakes and tidal bore destroying much of Singapore, its proximity to the South Pole froze the small amount of survivors.

Guam, Fiji and the Solomans were hit hard by the compression quakes, completely washed over by the tidal bore and then swallowed by the polar melt.

SOUTH AMERICA

South America significantly changed due to the pole shift. This was primarily due to its new location in Earth’s newly arranged continents. The bulge of Brazil found itself positioned very close to the new North Pole thus dramatically changing the climate after the shift.

Aside from the large quakes associated with the Pacific Compression (which created the Andes Mountain range over time), South America had to contend with severe tidal activity in some cases much worse than other regions which simply devastated everything. The cause of this was due to a new land mass that surfaced out of the ocean due to the part Antarctic Plate rising up between the tips of both the African and South American continents.

The rise of the new land mass forced the water away in all directions. This water went over most hills and some decent sized mountains and into the low land areas. An inland sea was present for a long time but is now slowly turning into an ice cap.

Argentina, Buenos Aires & Chile were decimated by the tidal bore from the Earth’s stopped rotation, then followed by the rushing water from the new land mass surfacing. Don’t think Chile is safer due to its higher elevation; the waves will be that intense and needed to go somewhere that it had the energy to go over some decent mountain ranges.

The Andes will gain elevation over sea level from the pole shift due to Pacific subduction. It was a fair assumption for many to take refuge in the perceived safety of the Andes but for reasons yet completely understood many suffocated from oxygen deprivation. The current hypothesis is that the Anomaly stripped away some of the Earth’s atmosphere enough to affect air levels at the Andes new height above sea level.

THE UNITED STATES

THE EAST COAST

The East Coast from south of the New England area suffered during the shift due to the stretch from the Atlantic Ridge and the crust resisted being pulled apart so much of the coastal areas were be pulled down into the ocean. The level of sinking increased the further south you go. Only New England gained land due to the separating St. Lawrence Seaway but larger scale earthquakes were also present in this area.

WEST COAST

The situation is completely different on the West Coast. Firstly, the Pacific Compression forced oceanic plates under the continental plates along current fault lines. This happened with such force that heating of the substrata rock occurred and actually caused rock to melt in low laying areas. So remember, VALLEY + SUBDUCTING FAULT LINES = DEATH TRAP. Also significant mountain building occurred in certain regions. Think of Yosemite equivalent size to understand the sheer scale of the mountain building that will happen.

Secondly, the tidal waves smashed the coast and went over the hills and mountains in close proximity to the coast line.

CENTRAL

The Central areas of the US generally fared well during the shift which was not its biggest problem. Due to the havoc on both the East & West coasts, shift survivors headed inland and overwhelmed towns and cities that had trouble taking care of some many people. Many more lives were lost due to these circumstances.
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Yes, thanks for reminding us that.

I'm very sorry too to see what is happening in your country, Marco. Some very sad images on the TV now.
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recall15 wrote:
The only thing you can trust is your free well.
Thanks, I am thinking of the next step, action plan.

Here are some of my thoughts.
Could move in a Month, If event was in 6 months (to where, maybe a big flat geo-stable stable plain with no trees)
Could hunker down, if event is under a month. It is difficult to think of every square foot of the planet going under a 7+ earthquake.
Could prepare food and a few supplies.
Plan to stay away from all building and tree's an 30 meters above water and away from volcano's and nuclear plants.
Pondering if action is any good and for what reason's, since the earth after wards will be desperate until/ if Alien's arrive.
Pondering if this is really how the GC event will work out ? is there some other outcome? ...

WHOAA THERE!!
Blimey, lets get some perspective please!
NO ONE is able to tell you where is a safe area to move to should there be a pole-shift. No one knows anything bar speculation at this moment in time about Planet X, or a poleshift (should it happen, and there's debate there).
And if the best we have for information is 'Charlie' the 'time-traveller' (who doesn't even know that Ancient Britons built Stonehenge and not Aliens! )

Let's get REAL!

Poleshift and Planet X is still all up for discussion. Salamander and Don have some interesting posts going on.
I'm keen to hear more from you guys that are sincere and have real knowledge on the science and NASA photos.
Not the attention-seeking web-nurds like 'Charlie'!
Let's get back to real debate and info-sharing. I'm well up for that!

Real life observation:

Yesterday i saw the sunset and when the Sun was occult on the horizon about 30 seconds after i saw a small horizontal line above the Sun, same color and bright...i got a picture of that...
that means that the gravitational lens effect is here again, and that Nibiru is emerging in the oposite side of the Sun? Check it Today is you have a clear sky...Latter i will find a place to put my picture and post the link here to share...

I think no one (among us) doubts about the existence of Nibiru, since IT is there, it's been observed and tracked (even by the professional debunkers), with all its tail/debris/moons floating around, it appears like a "winged" object when seen from the distance.

What divides us is the EFFECT it can have on our Earth, whether completely catastrophic (resulting in a crust shift) or "only" destructive, like a series of major quakes, tornados, tidal waves, erupting vulcanoes and so on, all happening at the same time or in a short time-frame, but not changing our planet's global geography.

And to answer that, only time will tell.
We'll have to be prepared anyway.

You speak for yourself, Marco.
I call for more than the so far offered as evidence. GIVE ME MORE!
Then I'll believe!

Charlie gives some very useful information; I'll add my own two cents now.

As Steph (the Ferret) points out, and as I continually remind folks when I have the rare opportunity to speak to a radio audience, the first thing to do is not panic. One has to always consider that the 'Big Event' could be as much as a year or more away, and then to consider what your plan will be without the prejudice that panic and fear bring to your thinking. (Of course, if you wait until the last weeks - when the earth changes are obvious to all - then you won't have the luxury of making the most rational decisions.) In fact, even if one isn't convinced yet of the existence of said Nibiru, one can take the following steps out of a sense of caution in light of earth changes already underway without having to feel they have "accepted the reality of Planet X" but instead are merely being sensible and planning for any emergency.

To maintain a balance without becoming some 'crazed survivalist loonie', following a 'reality check' that puts the brakes on any rush to judgement, consider that there are only relatively 'safer' areas, that every region of the globe will be adversely affected in some way and that you'll need to familiarize yourself with any potential 'safe zone' within striking distance. Do NOT 'max out' your credit cards, or leave your job, or even blurt out your awareness to people that would react accordingly and tune you out.

1) If you are living where most people on Earth live, which is in or near a large city near a coastline or a river, plan an evacuation route to a location that is at least 100 miles or more inland, 750 ft. or more above sea level, away from any volcano (even dormant or 'extinct' ones) or fault line, and away from 'newer' mountains (such as the Rockies, which were made during more recent poleshifts and are likely to become even more ripped during the coming passage). This planning costs you nothing other than a few hours of research online and printing/writing/memorizing what that route will be. Study the roads you will take to get there, the terrain, etc. Make sure you have a vehicle that will get you and your loved ones/survival group and minimal supplies there. Figure out how much gas you will need, how much your vehicle requires, and make up the difference by investing in a good gas can. Naturally having a good, sizable gas can on hand anyway is a good thing, so no-one can fault you for getting one.

2) Establish a mind-set where you are planning on "going camping" for an extended period of time; this will help immensely in your preparations. I advise a 3-month supply of foodstuffs, for a variety of reasons but most importantly because that's all most people would be able to carry in their vehicle anyway. It's about what a good-sized pantry could hold, and you couldn't be accused of 'hoarding' either by nosy neighbors full of ridicule or suspicious authorities. "Going camping" entails having the bare necessities to exist in the 'wild', such as a tent, a sleeping bag, raincoat, first-aid kit, cooking gear for use with a campfire, canteen, water filter, etc. A fishing rod with lures and hooks will be essential, and also plan on taking a goodly supply of seeds (not the GM type that are sterile, but the kind that produce seeds in turn for continual planting and harvesting). Books on the plants native to that area will help when it comes to the time you might have to eat what nature has already provided.

3) Such things as portable energy generation are admittedly a step up from survival-only "camping", so I list them separately. A portable power-pack such as Xantrex makes, in a size you can easily carry, will be extremely valulable. Make sure that any electrical device you plan on using with it will accept "modified sine wave" electricity; otherwise, obtain a "true sine wave" inverter that can provide you with usable electricity. (I made the mistake of getting a portable hot-plate that can be used to cook almost anything, but found it needed pure sine wave electricity; now I have an inverter that can handle it, along with of course the requisite wattage.) So, in addition to having an inverter that has the capacity in watts as well as making sure either your few appliances can use modified sine wave or if you need a pure sine wave inverter, you need to make sure you have the battery capacity for what you'll be using (think of battery size as the size of your gas tank; you might have an inverter that can handle 1000watts, but with only a small battery you can only use it long enough to warm 1 cup of water for tea and that would be useless). Batteries are unfortunately the heaviest items to carry, so you have to be judicious. Back in 2003 I bought a 3500-watt inverter, the kind that would power a small household, a wind turbine that I found out later could only generate 400 watts, and 4 extremely heavy 6-volt batteries. If I was in my 'permanent safe area' already, this would be a good set-up (except for the wind-turbine, which should be upgraded if I expect to use the inverter for something more than heating up 1 meal a day and making enough ice for 2 people a day). Most people however don't have the luxury of already being where they want to be, so getting a 1000-watt pure sine wave inverter, one with a DC output as well as 2 AC ports, a single large 12v battery (most people can simply use the one they can remove from their vehicle when they get to where they're going), and at least a WEZA Free-Energy foot-pedal-powered generator to generate the electricity - if not also a 400-watt wind turbine they'll be able to rig post-shift - should be sufficient. A small pot to cook in that can be plugged into a cigarette lighter, such as truckers use that you can get for about 20 bucks online or at a truck stop, and a small portable cooler (or portable freezer; ice cubes will be a precious tradable commodity afterwards) are all you really need for maintaining a semblance of normalcy in an age without an electrical grid, at least until they break down, but one should always know how to start a campfire and use it to cook with. Being a musician, and having a love of music, I put more of an emphasis on having a form of portable electricity than most people. I expect to use my mp3 player thanks to a small hand-crank generator for as long as possible. Life without music would truly be unbearable for me.

4) Begin, if you haven't already, to talk to friends and family about the "possibility" (this is a very delicate matter, as most people will be resistant to the idea that their world will substantively change); such characters as 'Chicken Little' and its many permutations are mired in the collective unconscious, and of course the constant ridicule and fear of ridicule permeates all of our social memes when it comes to these subjects even though movies like "Day After Tomorrow" are continually presenting the public with shocking scenarios. This results in teaching the public that 'catastrophe scenarios' only exist in fiction, not in real life....except for occasional and unavoidable situations like the occasional earthquake and tsunami that become the basis for charitable outreach programs (whereby the untouched public can express their STO impulses vicariously). Determine who is receptive to understanding the situation and is willing to be part of a small 'survival group'; if you find more than 1 or 2 individuals, you can each focus on one area of specialty (a doctor, for instance, can bring a fully-complete surgical kit to the table; an electrician can focus on the power-plant items I mentioned above, or similar; a farmer can stock the right kind of seeds and know-how to plant/harvest them, etc). Remind each other that you are only being sensible and planning for any one of a number of possible 'scenarios', as each area of the planet is now being affected in minute ways that are indicative of what is to come. Nosy neighbors may want to poke fun at you if they see you hauling a box marked "tent" into the house from a shopping expedition, but the common answer should be sufficient: "better safe than sorry; look at the recent earthquake in Italy, or the tornadoes in the southeast US, or the floods in the mid-west", etc. Also make sure that once you determine those same neighbors would rather ridicule than soberly contemplate the situation, you don't want them knowing your plans and you need to make sure that when the chips go down and they'll come bleating to you for help or assistance at the last minute when it will be too late that you'll have the fortitude to avoid them. Inure yourself to their pleadings, as they will have had a chance when you first tentatively broached the subject of "being prepared".

That's enough from me at the moment; again, both Charlie and the Troubled Times website have a lot of invaluable information on preparation. I might even make up my own list and post it in the Active Mind section sometime soon.

Hi recall15,

Thank you for reposting that writing of Charlie's.

Whether time travel really exists, I personally cannot prove this, but I also feel to that nothing is impossible if one has the knowledge to produce it, or make it happen. I know that Al Beilek also spoke of time travel and how he and Duncan Cameron went to the future, but only up to a certain point. So now Charlie has also stated that going to the future is difficult and one can only go to a certain point also. One's perspective was farther, the other not very far forward in time. Bieleks' infos stem from Montauk, while Charlie's stem from what he says he has experience with.

I met Al Beilek once and got to speak with him and the person that was with him, I felt then that he was being sincere in what he was saying. Can I prove it as fact, No I cannot, but others surrounding him have also hinted to this possibility also.

No one can prove, nor disprove everything another tells, but we can listen with respect until their words are proven or unproven.

We do feel who know that this Global warming is not correct, so there has to be something else causing all of this, the same as there has to be something causing all of the strange weather anomolies also, the more frequent earthquakes, the strange sounds, the fireballs, etc. etc. So just what is it? This is what we are all trying to find out and prove to ourselves, so all input is important regarding all of the strange anomolies as I see it.

There has been a few pictures put out when this strange appearance of this whatever in the sky was supposedly seen from the southern continent, but who can say just what it really is? We are hearing more and more on this Planet X/Nibiru or whatever one wants to call it, and a few of the pictures have appeared to be real and not faked and I am sure many are fakes put out there.

There are just entirely too many individuals gearing towards preparing now that know nothing what so ever about the possibility of a literal Pole Shift. Is this a group consciousness spreading or what? I cannot answer that either, but yet it is occurring and this I do know to be fact.

Personally I think it is a form of subconscious consciousness spreading because our psychies are picking up on something being just not quite right, and yet our conscious minds try to rationalize everything and not see what is presented to us. But being human we do these things for sure.

I agree with a couple of comments Charlie has made, "Listen to your own intuition" and let it guide you, and this is just what I have been doing, and mine is definitely telling me something is very wrong and I cannot rely upon governments to tell us the truth.

No one has yet to come up with a proof postive reason for all of this chemtrailing, and yet we are definitely seeing the results of it because it clouds the skies up, makes things merky so we cannot see beyond or out there better. WHY? There has to be a real reason for it and yet again, no legitimate reasons being given to the populaces on earth. What is it doing? It is definitely blocking the skies, therefore the sayings about being done to help keep us all in the dark hold more credeance. Is it to make us sicker, yes, very possibly so for many have felt the affects of what it has caused to happen with them.

But when individuals do come forward with informations they feel they know more about and are not seeking anything in return, not asking for anyone to believe, nor disbelieve, but just listen with an open mind, then why are they derailed before being given the chance to present all they feel they know? Why are they not given the opportunity to have their words proven or disproven and only time can do that of course. But I at least try to give all the benefit of the doubt until it is proven to me it is unrealiable. Is this not what we all do even with so called normal things in life???

We know that the article was printed in 1983 regarding a planet or brown dwarf, or whatever was spotted, and then it was suddenly hushed up, no more coming from so called official channels and we have all been left to speculate on that occurrance.

We know that Bush put out his poclomation that no government agency was to put out any informations until it was cleared through DC first. I ask WHY on this, what is being hidden that it has to be cleared throgh DC first yet no more said, no other explanations forthcoming there.

We know that Norway has made this underground seed storage facility rather out of the blue the last few years and collected every seed possible for storage there.

We are also aware of various others who have tried to come forward to put out bits and pieces regarding "something" that apparently is so secretive many have feared for their lives even in trying to put out anything.

We are also aware of what the Vatican has been involved in a little bit regarding their big telescope and the other Jesuit person who came forward telling a bit regarding an anomoly 'out there'.

So there have been many bits and pieces along for several years now regarding all of this supposed Pole Shift occurance, so when someone or several someones come forward trying to tell more, why are they debunked so without being given their chance to prove what they feel they know?

I agree with what Dondep has said, look past who is giving the informations and look to the "destiny of the message", this is what is important. And as I see it, there are more and more coming forward trying to put out the "destiny of the message" regarding this Pole Shift, so it is therefore relevant that we at least listen, take heed and not just throw it all out as bunk or whatever.

My personal view is that it is better to be prepared and not need it, than to not be prepared and it happen and then one is definitely SOL period.

Every has their own free will choice of course and this I agree with totally to decide what they listen to, or believe. This is one aspect that makes humans unique beyond all other life forms, but we should at least listen and see before we judge others so harshly until their words and or knowledge is proved or disproved. And in this particular situation, I really do not think we have much longer to find out either.

This is why I try to find out all that I can, because IF all of this is really true, then we have to find out for sure one way or the other before it is too late to do anything and I welcome all who feel they have pertinent and relevant informations regarding this situation.



brightstar

Is this the main reason we got Chem-trials to occult this?