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I've had Tinnitus (Ringing of the Ears) in my left ear most of my adult life. Blew out of left ear drum at a too loud Ozzy Osbourne concert when I was 18. Lost complete hearing for a week then it came back twice as strong then before and then two weeks later I noticed it A constent and FOREVER sine wave type buzz in my left ear 24/7 365 days a year. I've gotten used to it though. Doc's say its un repairable and their is no effective cure for Tinnitus.


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Talking about ears and ringing.

About once a month in my left Ear I get a high pitched ringing noise. Like a single tone. It can last from 2 secs to the longest I had which was 1 minute.

I never thought much of it. I thought it could be due to the many electronics I have around me. 2 Computers on. Mobiles On. TV On etc. Or just due to my dodgy health.

I wont believe it is due to anything else really. Think that would be too paranoid. If something does suggest outside forces I will be more than happy to hear about it and research it.

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I often wonder about that. I was an avid Trans and Rave party goer. But I always used ear plugs when the music was affecting my ears or too load. Damage I suppose is inevitable when your'e in a high power sound environment.

My ringing I experience definitely comes and goes. Right now I have a fabulous Sine wave dancing in my head and rather load. While I was working today I had nothing in my ears, as it can draw your attention easily. The frequency I hear is presently centred somewhere in the middle of my head. For the past ten years I have learnt to ignore it when I am busy. It can have the right effect sometimes, when you can take time out and run the wheels of your mind to connect with the particular communication present.

Again, just some thoughts...

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A quote -

"Most people never run far enough on their first wind to find out they''ve got a second." William James



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=== Is Sitchin wrong about Panet X / Nibiru ? ===

Dr Heiser believes so and he as the ancient language skills to back up his claim and he goes into great detail why so many are wrong about Planet X / Nibiru.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibiru/nibiru.htm


=== What about Sitchin's assertion about the Anunnaki ? ===

Who were the Nephilim ? In these videos Dr Heiser will explain exactly who the Nephilim were / are.
This debunks Sitchin and others because they mistranslated the ancient Sumerian and Paleo Hebrew.
Zecharia Sitchin's claim that the Nephilim were the Anunnaki doesn't hold water, accoding to Dr Heiser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W6c9a3ldQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPn_lDOcSsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mvdYiWIFzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOgJVquyHrM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjOOtPvV6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W97Z5zxqm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMezmDByLgc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSnA6zY3Ex8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiTTx_Jeobk

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Heiser literally blows Sitchin's argument to pieces and he does it with Hard Linguistic evidence. After you read Heiser's argument and evidence your forced to come away with the only logical and academic conclusion that Sitchin knows nothing. ALL of his Planet X Annuanki crap is nothing more then HIS interpertation of the tablets and that its completely "out in la la land."

Heiser even puts out and backs it up, that Much of Sitchin's supposed academic credentials SIMPLY did not exist! Plus Sitchin (and his spokes persons) are literally refusing to engage Heiser in any arena be it CoasttoCoastAM or in acdemic arenas.

..If you still believe that Planet X will swing by before or even after 2012. You should seriously seek mental health assistance.

Something is going to happen in 2012 folks BUT it won't be Planet X and wonderful post pole shift apocalypse STO world with dancing Zetas and Humans hand to hand!

Nancy Lieader is NUTS and from a spiritual point of view possibly possessed by Lower Astral Entities (demons if your christian but I believe they may be Djinns) that feed off the engery of FEAR of Planet X in her followers. And they will "Milk" that fear for as long as possible.

Puting your faith into Nancy or Sitchen can VERY seriouslly open you up spiritual attack, but that's only my opinion.


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=== Is Sitchin wrong about Panet X / Nibiru ? ===

Dr Heiser believes so and he as the ancient language skills to back up his claim and he goes into great detail why so many are wrong about Planet X / Nibiru.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibiru/nibiru.htm


=== What about Sitchin's assertion about the Anunnaki ? ===

Who were the Nephilim ? In these videos Dr Heiser will explain exactly who the Nephilim were / are.
This debunks Sitchin and others because they mistranslated the ancient Sumerian and Paleo Hebrew.
Zecharia Sitchin's claim that the Nephilim were the Anunnaki doesn't hold water, accoding to Dr Heiser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W6c9a3ldQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPn_lDOcSsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mvdYiWIFzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOgJVquyHrM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKjOOtPvV6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W97Z5zxqm4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMezmDByLgc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSnA6zY3Ex8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiTTx_Jeobk

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Heiser literally blows Sitchin's argument to pieces and he does it with Hard Linguistic evidence. After you read Heiser's argument and evidence your forced to come away with the only logical and academic conclusion that Sitchin knows nothing. ALL of his Planet X Annuanki crap is nothing more then HIS interpertation of the tablets and that its completely "out in la la land."

Heiser even puts out and backs it up, that Much of Sitchin's supposed academic credentials SIMPLY did not exist! Plus Sitchin (and his spokes persons) are literally refusing to engage Heiser in any arena be it CoasttoCoastAM or in acdemic arenas.

..If you still believe that Planet X will swing by before or even after 2012. You should seriously seek mental health assistance.

Something is going to happen in 2012 folks BUT it won't be Planet X and wonderful post pole shift apocalypse STO world with dancing Zetas and Humans hand to hand!

Nancy Lieader is NUTS and from a spiritual point of view possibly possessed by Lower Astral Entities (demons if your christian but I believe they may be Djinns) that feed off the engery of FEAR of Planet X in her followers. And they will "Milk" that fear for as long as possible.

Puting your faith into Nancy or Sitchen can VERY seriouslly open you up spiritual attack, but that's only my opinion.


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I absolutely agree with every single thing you've said here, Shady. Including the risk of opening oneself up to spiritual attack by putting faith in Nancy, Sitchen and whole slew of other nasty rabbit holes that all of us like to venture down.

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I don't agree with everything you say in your post, Shady. For instance, I don't think Don should "seriously seek mental health assistance". From reading Don's posts, he appears perfectly sane to me. And he is obviously extremely intelligent, which motivates me to listen to what he has to say.

Don could be wrong about PX, but the really cool thing is we don't have long to wait to find out.

I'm always suspicious when I read opinions from people that have figured everything out. They tell me I am a fool if I don't join the sane on the right side of the fence.

Me, I'm staying on the fence when it comes to PX. Arguments about the real meaning of Sumerian cuneiform writing doesn't seal the deal one way or another for me. And I like the view up here.


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I am with you Midnight, sitting on that perverbial fence as well...

Although I must agree with Shady too, I think NL is whack job but that's just my personal opinion or what I have read about her, I have never met her and for all I know she could be the nicest peron on the planet :dunno

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..If you still believe that Planet X will swing by before or even after 2012. You should seriously seek mental health assistance.


Um. Is this a serious post above?

Are people who believe in a God they never have met Crazy?
Are people who believe in Alien's and Ufo's who have never seen either Crazy?
Are people who believe the content's of the bible which has passed through thousand's of years and hundred's of human writers with their own agenda's and views not crazy?

Shady you recommended the "God's of Eden". This states that Alien's rule this world via Brotherhood. That every religion is some what corrupted. That every War has been done to continue to degrade human's. That the black plague was done by Aliens. Am I or You crazy for believing any of this?

Because we can't see or hear or smell or experience something does not mean it does not exist.

Some times Shady I wonder if this is more than one person posting from your account, there appears to be differing personalities.

Please do not take offence, and no offence is meant. Just my own impressions.

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:agree I too have my suspicians about whats going on, and about to transpire... I dont totally diss Nancy and the Zetans, but maybe whilst the details may be wrong the events may not be.

I'm also influenced by people like Cayce, Mother Shipton and Patrick Geryl, and many prophecies from many sources (religious, Mayan, Native American, and more) which all seem to talk of similar events - even if the interpretation various slightly (especially the religions which seem to think that they will reign supreme and everyone else will 'fall in line' alongside them).


In case no-one has heard of Partrick Geryl, this link leads to his website.

http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_night/home.htm

I'd say to 'be afraid, be very afraid' except that I'm not sure how that would help. Its perhaps better to be informed, and even very informed, and then to consider one's next actions with deep thought.

But don't give up the day job, not just yet!

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G1.9 Confirmed a Binary Red Dwarf Star

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Spanish Astronomers Claim Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto

The idea of a new planet being discovered in our Solar System is pretty exciting. Even more so because of the many theories about "planet-x" or "Nibiru" being associated with space aliens and the doomsday prophecies of 2012. Scientists at places like NASA and famous observatories have deflected inquiries about the discovery for a few years now, mainly because they feared being associated with these "fringe" theories. But like it or not -- it has happened. Well... According to a team of Spanish artronomers who call themselves the StarViewer Team.

The group made the rounds of all the news web sites in the past two weeks, claiming they discovered something very significant. It's almost twice the size of Jupiter and just beyond our furthest planetoid, Pluto. Although it's not a planet, it appears to have planets or large satellites encircling it. It's what astronomers call a "brown dwarf star" and its official name is "G1.9". . . .

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Well that makes me stand up and take notice :awe

I'm still on the fence but you have this fence sitter's attention, thank you for posting this information

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G1.9 Confirmed a Binary Red Dwarf Star

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Spanish Astronomers Claim Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto

The idea of a new planet being discovered in our Solar System is pretty exciting. Even more so because of the many theories about "planet-x" or "Nibiru" being associated with space aliens and the doomsday prophecies of 2012. Scientists at places like NASA and famous observatories have deflected inquiries about the discovery for a few years now, mainly because they feared being associated with these "fringe" theories. But like it or not -- it has happened. Well... According to a team of Spanish artronomers who call themselves the StarViewer Team.

The group made the rounds of all the news web sites in the past two weeks, claiming they discovered something very significant. It's almost twice the size of Jupiter and just beyond our furthest planetoid, Pluto. Although it's not a planet, it appears to have planets or large satellites encircling it. It's what astronomers call a "brown dwarf star" and its official name is "G1.9". . . .

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FWIW;

The "Sitchin is wrong" website is serious disinfo, written specifically and intentionally to debunk any attempt to treat the Planet X/Nibiru/Wormwood/Hercolobus 'hypothesis' with any modicum of seriousness. Dan B. was urged to refer to it to play his role of the "anti-Nancy"; shame his own zetan connection also proved just as wrong as the 'other' zetan faction, witness the March 28th, 2009 'no-show'. I've even met some folks who simply seize on the basic denial of said 'hypothesis' in that site, gladly, without even being that familiar with the original source material itself. Understandable; no-one wants to embrace the message that our 'civilized' world is about to undergo a serious transformation that will result in a nearly 90% casualty rate in the human race and a loss of almost all of the civilized amenities we've come to know and love - and depend on.

The main reason for these attempts to undermine that message is simple; as I just noted, no-one wants to believe such a scenario. At least few want to embrace it enthusiastically. No-one in their right mind, anyway. No-one, that is, who is relatively comfortable in their material circumstances, though there are those (mostly the poor and oppressed) who will welcome the 'Big Event' as the Great Leveller. This is particularly true of the elite, who are desperate to keep their perches of power. The elites are already slipping from those perches, and throughout this Golden Thread I've shown time and time again the logic behind all of this prelude to the Great Shift. I've no interest in making a particular messenger - such as Nancy Lieder or Zecharia Sitchin, or myself for that matter (take care to look in the mirror Shady when making accusations about the mental health of others ;) ) - the subject; to the naive, 'attacking the messenger' is the oldest trick in the book and you would do well to take note of those that stoop to that level. Rather, I've shown (through the work of many others, as well) the logic behind said message, because as I've also shown over and over and over again, absolute 'proof' is denied us, and rightfully so. For our own good, because of the potential for panic were this to be spoken of authoritatively from behind a gov't. podium or even from behind the desk of a mainstream television broadcaster. {The Constitution does have a clause near the beginning about maintaining "domestic tranquility", though that should never be used to justify outright lying about 'It'.}

On the other side of this debate, there is little logic used to discredit the 'hypothesis', other than the afore-mentioned disinfo site built to attack the "12th planet" logic (let's face it, that's the main reason Sitchin is the main target, after Nancy Lieder). The primary focus of the denial crowd is the use of character assassination against Nancy Lieder and how she "killed her dog", and by making her an evil and crazy (I believe the trendy term used by the scoffers is "whacked") woman, the baby (message) is thrown out with the bathwater (evil, crazy, 'whacked' Wisconsin woman). Having had the weight of the Establishment behind it, the decades-long use of ridicule, threats, intimidation and even murder, the Coverup is now fighting a rear-guard action that is now attempting to focus enquiring minds on the "Sun shakin' its booty" - a policy that was decided upon many years ago, along with the soft-sell "Global Warming" paradigm. And for the truly lunatic fringe, who don't buy the mainstream Coverup scenarios, there's the "Evil Elite" paradigm, which exaggerates the power of the PTB to the point where they can be blamed for using "secret alien technology" to create the earthquakes, the oil spills, the atmospheric phenomena, and all the other earth changes and oddities that are occurring as a result of the huge magnetic field approaching us. But none of the shrill denials can provide a cohesive and coherent explanation of all the associated phenomena (other than as stated, some vague NWO plot) as succinctly and predicted - yes, much of the data was indeed predicted, though many refuse to acknowledge that - as the 'hypothesis' that we are beginning the process of undergoing a physical poleshift.

In fact; no-one has brought forth any proof that anything claimed by either Zecharia Sitchin, Nancy Lieder, or myself (and a whole host of others, but I'm including myself here because no longer should we be oppressed by character assassination of the 'whacked woman from Wisconsin' as the final arbiter of the basic message) is unequivocally wrong. No, I'm sorry to remind you, that hasn't happened. By the same token, they - or I - have yet to be proven unequivocally correct, either. Which is why everyone in this debate would do well to keep an open mind and focus on the use of logic and data, rather than resorting to name-calling and character assassination. I can already count those among us who will be eating crow, but hey - if I'm called upon to eat it, I'll do it stoically and with honor. I wonder - can the scoffers say the same?

In the meantime; I would like to hear one - just one, if it's out there - cohesive and coherent paradigm that can 'connect the dots' we've studied here for years now in a manner that can account for all the anomalies simultaneously. That means not taking the dots out of context, not relying on a vague claim of "evil Illuminati" and an undefined NWO (if you use the NWO as a primary culprit, then include the logic they supposedly use in their machinations), no reliance on character assassination or name-calling or the use of ridicule or repeating textbook theory (for that matter, there actually isn't one overall 'textbook theory' anyway; astronomy is only one part of it, so it would require a set of said theories anyway). Forget the opposition; I want to hear and see the strength of your paradigm, and then we can see how they stack up.

The Challenge is on. Speak up or bite your tongue.

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In the meantime; I would like to hear one - just one, if it's out there - cohesive and coherent paradigm that can 'connect the dots' we've studied here for years now in a manner that can account for all the anomalies simultaneously.


All the anomalies ?! Which ones are you considering?

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Don are you sure you know what your asking here?

Your "bite your tounge" comment alone will have me wanting to take you to task on your arrogance alone.
You know I love ya but come on dude since when has the Golden Thread EVER been put to task and or asked to take a side one way or the other on ANY ISSUE?

Shady was just recently accused of posting under multiple persona's and after reading your last post Don I am wondering if the accusation may have been at the wrong person?
This is NOT like you, who is posting under DonDep right now?

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The Challenge Is On

FWIW;

The "Sitchin is wrong" website is serious disinfo, written specifically and intentionally to debunk any attempt to treat the Planet X/Nibiru/Wormwood/Hercolobus 'hypothesis' with any modicum of seriousness. Dan B. was urged to refer to it to play his role of the "anti-Nancy"; shame his own zetan connection also proved just as wrong as the 'other' zetan faction, witness the March 28th, 2009 'no-show'. I've even met some folks who simply seize on the basic denial of said 'hypothesis' in that site, gladly, without even being that familiar with the original source material itself. Understandable; no-one wants to embrace the message that our 'civilized' world is about to undergo a serious transformation that will result in a nearly 90% casualty rate in the human race and a loss of almost all of the civilized amenities we've come to know and love - and depend on.

The main reason for these attempts to undermine that message is simple; as I just noted, no-one wants to believe such a scenario. At least few want to embrace it enthusiastically. No-one in their right mind, anyway. No-one, that is, who is relatively comfortable in their material circumstances, though there are those (mostly the poor and oppressed) who will welcome the 'Big Event' as the Great Leveller. This is particularly true of the elite, who are desperate to keep their perches of power. The elites are already slipping from those perches, and throughout this Golden Thread I've shown time and time again the logic behind all of this prelude to the Great Shift. I've no interest in making a particular messenger - such as Nancy Lieder or Zecharia Sitchin, or myself for that matter (take care to look in the mirror Shady when making accusations about the mental health of others ;) ) - the subject; to the naive, 'attacking the messenger' is the oldest trick in the book and you would do well to take note of those that stoop to that level. Rather, I've shown (through the work of many others, as well) the logic behind said message, because as I've also shown over and over and over again, absolute 'proof' is denied us, and rightfully so. For our own good, because of the potential for panic were this to be spoken of authoritatively from behind a gov't. podium or even from behind the desk of a mainstream television broadcaster. {The Constitution does have a clause near the beginning about maintaining "domestic tranquility", though that should never be used to justify outright lying about 'It'.}

On the other side of this debate, there is little logic used to discredit the 'hypothesis', other than the afore-mentioned disinfo site built to attack the "12th planet" logic (let's face it, that's the main reason Sitchin is the main target, after Nancy Lieder). The primary focus of the denial crowd is the use of character assassination against Nancy Lieder and how she "killed her dog", and by making her an evil and crazy (I believe the trendy term used by the scoffers is "whacked") woman, the baby (message) is thrown out with the bathwater (evil, crazy, 'whacked' Wisconsin woman). Having had the weight of the Establishment behind it, the decades-long use of ridicule, threats, intimidation and even murder, the Coverup is now fighting a rear-guard action that is now attempting to focus enquiring minds on the "Sun shakin' its booty" - a policy that was decided upon many years ago, along with the soft-sell "Global Warming" paradigm. And for the truly lunatic fringe, who don't buy the mainstream Coverup scenarios, there's the "Evil Elite" paradigm, which exaggerates the power of the PTB to the point where they can be blamed for using "secret alien technology" to create the earthquakes, the oil spills, the atmospheric phenomena, and all the other earth changes and oddities that are occurring as a result of the huge magnetic field approaching us. But none of the shrill denials can provide a cohesive and coherent explanation of all the associated phenomena (other than as stated, some vague NWO plot) as succinctly and predicted - yes, much of the data was indeed predicted, though many refuse to acknowledge that - as the 'hypothesis' that we are beginning the process of undergoing a physical poleshift.

In fact; no-one has brought forth any proof that anything claimed by either Zecharia Sitchin, Nancy Lieder, or myself (and a whole host of others, but I'm including myself here because no longer should we be oppressed by character assassination of the 'whacked woman from Wisconsin' as the final arbiter of the basic message) is unequivocally wrong. No, I'm sorry to remind you, that hasn't happened. By the same token, they - or I - have yet to be proven unequivocally correct, either. Which is why everyone in this debate would do well to keep an open mind and focus on the use of logic and data, rather than resorting to name-calling and character assassination. I can already count those among us who will be eating crow, but hey - if I'm called upon to eat it, I'll do it stoically and with honor. I wonder - can the scoffers say the same?

In the meantime; I would like to hear one - just one, if it's out there - cohesive and coherent paradigm that can 'connect the dots' we've studied here for years now in a manner that can account for all the anomalies simultaneously. That means not taking the dots out of context, not relying on a vague claim of "evil Illuminati" and an undefined NWO (if you use the NWO as a primary culprit, then include the logic they supposedly use in their machinations), no reliance on character assassination or name-calling or the use of ridicule or repeating textbook theory (for that matter, there actually isn't one overall 'textbook theory' anyway; astronomy is only one part of it, so it would require a set of said theories anyway). Forget the opposition; I want to hear and see the strength of your paradigm, and then we can see how they stack up.

The Challenge is on. Speak up or bite your tongue.

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L2L, it's me. There's only one of me - one and only one. Shady can speak for himself, but he did give Dagwood permission to share with me something that would answer the same question about him.

However; it's not "arrogance" so much as standing my ground in this never-ending debate. We are, after all, discussing the possible end of civilization as we know it, and many people have been put to death over this debate. I constantly hear people - including yourself - slamming Nancy Lieder as if she's some kind of evil person. I have my own issues with her, and frequently find myself at odds with her brusque manner, but as you can read yourself, Shady has impugned those that believe in a poleshift as having "mental health issues". Now it's not only Nancy, but anyone espousing the potential for such an event. So, no, "arrogance" isn't the correct word. Defiant I am, yes, but my challenge is a healthy one; it says, in a courteous manner, "put up or shut up". In other words, stop attacking other people and focus instead on making a good argument for your position, not necessary against my position. I'm busy trying to show the logic of my position, and it would be nice to see the same from others who hold a different position for once.

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Thank you for some clarifications Don.

I know your a stickler for details so let's get this right, I called NL a Whack Job, I NEVER once said she was EVIL.... :sherlock


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L2L, it's me. There's only one of me - one and only one. Shady can speak for himself, but he did give Dagwood permission to share with me something that would answer the same question about him.

However; it's not "arrogance" so much as standing my ground in this never-ending debate. We are, after all, discussing the possible end of civilization as we know it, and many people have been put to death over this debate. I constantly hear people - including yourself - slamming Nancy Lieder as if she's some kind of evil person. I have my own issues with her, and frequently find myself at odds with her brusque manner, but as you can read yourself, Shady has impugned those that believe in a poleshift as having "mental health issues". Now it's not only Nancy, but anyone espousing the potential for such an event. So, no, "arrogance" isn't the correct word. Defiant I am, yes, but my challenge is a healthy one; it says, in a courteous manner, "put up or shut up". In other words, stop attacking other people and focus instead on making a good argument for your position, not necessary against my position. I'm busy trying to show the logic of my position, and it would be nice to see the same from others who hold a different position for once.

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True, you haven't used the word evil, but there are a few here that have used almost every other epithet to describe her, because we know what happens to messengers that bring bad tidings. I lump them all in under either 'crazy' or 'evil', if only for the level of invective used. The point is, it's not about her; she doesn't have a copyright on the poleshift, though she's been the one that has conveyed much of the information used to examine the bits of data that are used as indicators of what's coming.

Here is a good example of what I am talking about - and a current one, too.

Food Shortages & Seizures

David Gumpert, in the online magazine Grist - A Beacon In The Smog wrote:
Raids are increasing on farms and private food-supply clubs—here are 5 tips for surviving one

14 JUL 2010 10:32 AM
When the 20 agents arrived bearing a search warrant at her Ventura County farmhouse door at 7 a.m. on a Wednesday a couple weeks back, Sharon Palmer didn't know what to say. This was the third time she was being raided in 18 months, and she had thought she was on her way to resolving the problem over labeling of her goat cheese that prompted the other two raids. (In addition to producing goat's milk, she raises cattle, pigs, and chickens, and makes the meat available via a CSA.)

But her 12-year-old daughter, Jasmine, wasn't the least bit tongue-tied. "She started back-talking to them," recalls Palmer. "She said, 'If you take my computer again, I can't do my homework.' This would be the third computer we will have lost. I still haven't gotten the computers back that they took in the previous two raids."

As part of a five-hour-plus search of her barn and home, the agents -- from the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office, Los Angeles County Sheriff, Ventura County Sheriff, and the California Department of Food and Agriculture -- took the replacement computer, along with milk she feeds her chickens and pigs.

While no one will say officially what the purpose of this latest raid was, aside from being part of an investigation in progress, what is very clear is that government raids of producers, distributors, and even consumers of nutritionally dense foods appear to be happening ever more frequently. Sometimes they are meant to counter raw dairy production, other times to challenge private food organizations over whether they should be licensed as food retailers.

The same day Sharon Palmer's farm was raided, there was a raid on Rawesome Foods, a Venice, Calif., private food club run by nutritionist and raw-food advocate Aajonus Vonderplanitz. For a membership fee of $25, consumers can purchase unpasteurized dairy products, eggs that are not only organic but unwashed, and a wide assortment of fermented vegetables and other products.

The main difference in the two raids seems to be that Palmer's raiding party was actually much smaller, about half the size of the Venice contingent: Vonderplanitz was also visited by the FBI and the FDA.

In the Rawesome raid, agents made off with several thousand dollars worth of raw honey and raw dairy products. They also shut Rawesome for failure to have a public health permit, though the size and scope of the raid suggests the government officials might have more in mind. Regardless, within hours the outlet reopened in defiance of the shutdown order.

Earlier in June, agents of the Minnesota Department of Agriculture, escorted by police and also bearing search warrants, raided and shut down Traditional Foods Warehouse, a popular food club in Minneapolis specializing in locally-produced foods. They also raided two farms suspected of illegally selling raw milk. And in a national first among such raids, agents searched a private home and made off with computers; the family's offense appears to have been that it allowed one of the raw dairy farmers to park in its driveway to distribute raw milk to area residents who had ordered it.

The Minnesota Department of Agriculture has declined comment on such raids, saying they are part of an ongoing investigation into raw milk distribution in the state in lieu of eight illnesses in May linked to raw milk.

Meanwhile, the Wisconsin Department of Agriculture, Trade, and Consumer Protection has launched three raids over the last three months on the dairy farm and farm store of Vernon Hershberger, near Madison. The day after DATCP agents placed seals on his fridges storing raw dairy products in July, Hershberger cut the seals, and announced he was going to challenge the agency's contention he needs a dairy and retail license to sell his products. Obtaining such licenses would be problematic, though, since Wisconsin prohibits sale of raw milk, except "incidental" sales, and defining "incidental" has been a bone of contention for many years. In any event, Hershberger contends he sells only to consumers who contract privately for his food.

What's behind all these raids? They seem to stem from increasing concern at both the state and federal level about the spread of private food groups that have sprung up around the country in recent years -- food clubs and buying groups to provide specialized local products that are generally unavailable in groceries, like grass-fed meats, pastured eggs, fermented foods, and, in some cases, raw dairy products. Because they are private and limited to consumers who sign up for membership, these groups generally avoid obtaining retail and public health licenses required of retailers that sell to the general public.

In late 2008 and early 2009, the representatives of state agriculture agencies in Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, and Illinois met via phone conferences with representatives of the FDA to map a plan for targeting raw-milk buying clubs in the Midwest. The meetings came to light after Max Kane, the owner of a Wisconsin buying club who was subpoenaed by Wisconsin authorities for the names of his customers and suppliers, obtained email accounts of the sessions via a Freedom of Information request to Wisconsin's Agriculture, Trade, and Consumer Protection department. (Kane has since been prosecuted by Wisconsin authorities for contempt of court for failing to give up the names; his case is under appeal after he was found guilty last December.)

Now, the Midwest program seems to have gone national, and the recent spate of raids suggests a quickening pace and broadened scope. While most raids before the Midwest government meetings had been related to raw-milk distribution, some, like a December 2008 armed raid of Manna Storehouse, an Ohio food club near Cleveland, have been about licensing issues. In that raid, armed law enforcement officers held a mother and eight young children being home-schooled at gunpoint for several hours while they searched the home and food storage areas. A legal challenge to the raid by the family is still tied up in court.

The current uptick has Pete Kennedy of the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund concerned, not only about the spreading of the raids, but about the seemingly easy willingness of judges to hand out search warrants. While the U.S. Constitution's fourth amendment suggests judges should exercise tight controls over search warrants ("no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause..."), Kennedy observes, "I haven't seen an agency turned down yet" over the last four years in requests for search warrants connected with raw milk and other food production and distribution.

Given that the targets of search warrants don't get a say in court as to whether they should be issued, legal experts and those who have been raided say the most that food producers can do is take steps to prepare themselves to weather the raids as best they can.

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from http://www.grist.org/article/food-five- ... od-club/P1

I submit that the concern of the gov't. agencies involved in the raids wasn't so much any alleged tainted milk (after all, private subscribers take full responsibility for their own health when they agree to subscribe and purchase privately from these producers), but the fact that an 'underground economy' of food producers and consumers is circumventing the system, and this is a threat to their position as enforcers of the mass corporate control of consumption. There are massive food shortages going on, and by joining private food clubs that are exempted from the normal licensing and regulation of food sources, the citizens involved are creating their independence from Big Agra and its greedy, grasping claws that are scarfing everything in sight to maintain control.

Here's a snip from the early days of ZT, leading off with this key indicator from known US Executive Orders:

Executive Order #10998: Authorizes seizure of all food supplies, food resources, all farms and all farm equiptment (public and private).

"We have stated that when the pole shift hits, the majority of the worlds population will not have been warned, and that even among those warned denial will be high. We have stated that among those hearing the warning and taking it seriously, the reaction may be to party to the end, rather than take steps for safety or prepare for a life after the shift. Given that the cover-up may crack, and certainly will crack when the presence of Planet X coming toward the Earth from the direction of the Sun is evident to all, how will this play out? This is unlikely to ever reach the point of certainty until the last weeks, when the Earth rolls its N Pole away into 3 days of darkness for the Northern Hemisphere. Planet X and its moon swirls and immense dust cloud will become increasingly obvious in the sky, but the establishment plans to claim this is an early solar maximum, plasma balls from the Sun and the like, thus the populace will be encouraged to discount these signs. Nevertheless, even with the cover-up firmly in place, there will be increasing talk of the many signs that the end times are upon mankind. Even in those countries isolated from mainstream media, the local version of the end times prophecies will be much discussed. Once certainty has been reached, panic or stunned denial or a final move to safety will certainly occur. But what of the months leading up to this point?

- Those of good heart, sensing change and taking the Earth changes seriously, and able to face the threat without retreating into denial, will make plans and act upon them as they are able. For most, due to their circumstances, this will result in a plan to dash to safety at the last minute. This is because most of humanity lives hand to mouth, living day to day, so that a move to a safer location is physically and financially impossible. Even those who could effect such a move may find themselves in a bind with other family members, or feeling a sense of responsibility to remain where they are, so their plan likewise is to react at the last minute. Whether moving to a safe location with a survival mindset early or at the last minute, these individuals will be found at their jobs up until the last days, regardless of how strong the signs become. The signs will strengthen their resolve, but not cause them to bolt or panic.

- Those given to selfish reactions, sensing the change and taking the Earth changes seriously, have been plotting how to take advantage of the circumstances. They have been hoarding, buying land in safe locations where they can act as kings or lords over those whom they anticipate will straggle in, desperate, in the last weeks. Prices will be sky high for any goods they have to offer, and enslavement the agreement for a meal and a bed. If working for the government, they are planning work camps and confiscation. As the signs increase and shortages develop, these individuals begin to savage each other, fearing takeover, so that by the time the last weeks arrive, their noisy warfare has revealed their intent. If not able to compete in this manner, selfish individuals will either try to attach themselves like lampreys to the good hearted or simply plan to party hard until the end, living for the moment. In either case, they will be predictably in place, scheming or partying, until the last days.

- Those in hard denial will get more hardened, attacking the messengers, refusing to contemplate the news, getting more red faced and angry as the facts press in. This group will likewise be in place, going through their daily routine, unlikely to change even when the last weeks show the pole shift to be inevitable. Even when the sun refuses to rise past mid-morning, they will go through their routines, as the routine comforts. Given that the majority of mankind will be in this category, government operations will in the main continue apace, up to and including the hour of the shift. Those of good heart who have prepared will leave in the last weeks to take their loved ones to safety. Those self serving will likewise devote themselves to their schemes or good times. So the ranks will be diminished, but government offices will still be trying to function, staffed by those in denial or those with a mission to either help or take advantage of others. Government services will, thus, likely be available until the last weeks, deteriorating rapidly into the shift."

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In the meantime; I would like to hear one - just one, if it's out there - cohesive and coherent paradigm that can 'connect the dots' we've studied here for years now in a manner that can account for all the anomalies simultaneously.


All the anomalies ?! Which ones are you considering?



The position of the sinkholes, for instance; why they are occurring where they are. Even the very fact of sinkholes; why so many lately? I went through my first 40+ years rarely if ever hearing about them. The infamous outburst by Claudette, the French astronaut, in which she is alleged to exclaim "Earth must be warned!" after her trip up to the space station as a last-minute replacement. The mysterious crane accidents that started occurring 2 years ago, with 3 huge ones within a couple months. The intricate crop circles, many of the most recent ones allegedly - and logically - appear to point to conflicting spherical 'fields', and ones featuring 3 or 4 standard-sized spheres and 1 or 2 larger ones. The recent raids on farms, as noted above in that article that I first noticed on the poleshift ning and looked it up myself. The growing number of stills and videos that supposedly show a "second sun" next to the Sun. The handful of SOHO images that show a "winged" object, or a 'string of pearls', next to the Sun.....images that I've had examined by a computer forensics image-analysis forum group that could find no evidence of tampering or of having the anomalies added in. The Kolbrin accounts of the 'Destroyer', especially in what can only be a tale of Moses leading the Israelites across the Red Sea. The "alien abductions". And the list goes on and on and on and on.

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Shady was just recently accused of posting under multiple persona's and after reading your last post Don I am wondering if the accusation may have been at the wrong person?


Just to clarify kind folks.

I do not accuse that Shady's account is being used by more than 1 person. How can I? I have no evidence.

My Impression was that after years on this forum as a reader, it seem's Shady's postings differ in attitude and opinion to an almost severity view.

An Administrator could if they wanted, confirm if any account on this forum is being used by more than 1 person by looking at the IP Addresses of that account.

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G1.9 Confirmed a Binary Red Dwarf Star

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Spanish Astronomers Claim Dwarf Sun Beyond Pluto

The idea of a new planet being discovered in our Solar System is pretty exciting. Even more so because of the many theories about "planet-x" or "Nibiru" being associated with space aliens and the doomsday prophecies of 2012. Scientists at places like NASA and famous observatories have deflected inquiries about the discovery for a few years now, mainly because they feared being associated with these "fringe" theories. But like it or not -- it has happened. Well... According to a team of Spanish artronomers who call themselves the StarViewer Team.

The group made the rounds of all the news web sites in the past two weeks, claiming they discovered something very significant. It's almost twice the size of Jupiter and just beyond our furthest planetoid, Pluto. Although it's not a planet, it appears to have planets or large satellites encircling it. It's what astronomers call a "brown dwarf star" and its official name is "G1.9". . . .

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A quick google-goo threw up this image:-

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Talk about the winged planet, eh? :cool

The thing is, it's not an optical photograph. It's a composite image of the expanding remains of a near-earth supernova explosion G1.9+0.3, using X-Ray (orange area), Radio (blue area) and infra-red (stars in photo) images and piecing them together. G1.9+0.3 is located near the centre of the Milky Way and is obscured by dust clouds.


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In the meantime; I would like to hear one - just one, if it's out there - cohesive and coherent paradigm that can 'connect the dots' we've studied here for years now in a manner that can account for all the anomalies simultaneously.

As far as I can see (and remember), there hasn't been another cover-all theory quite as extensive as the one you've been laying out over the years on the GT, Don, when it comes to the cover-up and what it's all about. If there has been, then someone will hopefully correct me. And yes, for the main part, there is a logic behind your argument for the existence of PX and a resulting poleshift. IMO, it's not a completely water-tight argument, but it has some credibility when you take into account all the puzzle pieces of evidence over the last 60-odd years (and back into ancient history too) and attempt to build a meaningful picture out of it all.

When it comes to PX "second sun" evidence, this is where the theory falls down a bit and springs a leak. The majority of the video footage that's been made available are invariably lens aberrations or sun-dogs (sorry, recall, but they are ;) ), although admittedly there have been one or two clips posted by recall that don't fit this explanation. Grist's posting of that second sun Russian footage of 2009 over that lake is still intriguing to me, mainly because the smaller second sun casts a reflection in the lake as it sets. :huh If that was a lens aberration, then would it do that? I don't know...Maybe the cosmic joker is tricking us into thinking "camera lens anomaly" when there is an actual heavenly body there, who knows. :tounge Talk about being a double-crosser.

As for Nancy Leider's Zetan statements, whether you believe in them (and her) or not, they do have some quasi-intellectual weight behind them. I'm not one of her biggest fans, either, but kook or not, there's some form of intelligence behind those words of hers.

I first become aware of mention of PX/Nibiru in Jim Marrs's book, "Alien Agenda: Investigating the Extraterrestrial Presence Among Us," which we've touched upon many a time over the years on the GT. The particular passage had something to do with a remote viewer, President Eisenhower and the 1954 meeting with either Tall Whites or Tall Grays, I believe, where a 12th planet would cause untold destruction some time beyond 2000 AD, giving the human authorities on earth 60 years to prepare. I wish I still had the book, then I could replicate the passage here. You have actually reproduced the passage from Marrs's book on the GT 2 or 3 years ago, Don, because I can remember you doing it, so it should be in the archives somewhere.


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Shady was just recently accused of posting under multiple persona's and after reading your last post Don I am wondering if the accusation may have been at the wrong person?

Just to clarify kind folks.
I do not accuse that Shady's account is being used by more than 1 person. How can I? I have no evidence.


Not to beat a dead horse or anything but what exactly did you mean by this statement then :dunno

UnifiedCause wrote:
Some times Shady I wonder if this is more than one person posting from your account, there appears to be differing personalities.


UnifiedCause wrote:
An Administrator could if they wanted, confirm if any account on this forum is being used by more than 1 person by looking at the IP Addresses of that account.
Kind Regards.


Just for the record ANYONE can post from different IP's that does NOT mean that they have multiple people using their account.
I know for a fact that three or four members of this very forum who post under more than three IP's in any given day, myself included.
That does NOT prove a thing...... Just sayin :wavey

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Not to beat a dead horse or anything but what exactly did you mean by this statement then


It was just a viewpoint.

In my view. An accusation requires evidence / proof. An impression is just that, an impression one get's from studying / reading. My statement was an impression. As I said I can't accuse Shady as I do not hold any evidence.

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Thanks for clarifying UC :wavey

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