Has anyone here examined Bergrun's research?

See: http://www.google.com/search?q=ringmake ... =firefox-a

Also, what about these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO-l2JCP ... re=related

Part 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPlfgQHm ... re=related

THE GT BOOK CLUB has a new link to a full text book online.

ALIEN INTERVIEW by Lawrence Spencer
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I have a few more gems I will post links every so often...

Is there an answer to the two main disbeliever arguments against PX?

1. Amateur astronomers would have seen it by now, and they aren't in the pocket of the PTB. I've been checking out space-weather for a few months, and some of the photos posted by amateur astronomers are very impressive. This is the most persuasive point made by disbelievers of PX.
It is almost the same point as, "why haven't we seen it if it is going to do its thing in a year or two?"

2. PX is bigger than Jupiter, and very magnetic apparently. Why hasn't it affected the orbits of the bodies travelling through our solar system? Good question, but I'm not a scientist so I don't know how valid this question is.

It should be noted that solar system changes have been noted recently, but I am still waiting for answers to question number one and two.

I listened live and it was indeed an interesting interview. Last week, she had Deagle on, and I had never heard him before though I've read some things about a disagreement between him and Clif High. Anyway, I enjoyed hearing him as well.

The only thing is - and I love Kerry and support her gutsy work - if I hear her say 'in other words,' or, most horrifically, 'in essence' just ONE MORE TIME, I'll - well - I'll scream at my monitor again. And I wish she'd quit interrupting her guests and interviews just when they are saying something earth-shaking. That's all. Back to my arm-chair critic mode. (c:

Oh, and Bill has several excellent new interviews up at Project Avalon. One with David Icke, one with Jordan Maxwell, and one with David and Jordan together in conversation. Not to be missed! http://www.youtube.com/user/AlphaZebra

Thanks for posting the link to the interview, fulcanelli. Listening to it now. I've heard Mr Masters before in previous interviews he's given, and he's an eloquent bloke.



At around 23 mins 30 seconds, Marshal Masters kind of gives an answer to your first question, midnight. You've probably already listened to the interview by now, but these are his words in quotes. It's not all that dissimilar to what Don's been saying over the last couple of years.

"Amateur astronomers are "between here and Jupiter" [by that, he means that's as far as they can detect]. "90% of all observations are at or near the ecliptic plane, and the other 10% are principally up in the northern hemisphere, and about 3% in the southern hemisphere. This object is coming in at such a steep pitch now that it can only be seen from Antarctica. [Mr Masters claims he broke the story on the south pole telescope in 2006 btw ]. "On top of that, it is crossing through a very dense star field, so picking it out is like trying to find one candle in the middle of a candle-light vigil -- these are the things that make it difficult. There will be an official announcement on it just before it's visible to the naked eye."

I'm familiar with the work of James Horak, who's featured in those youtube links of yours, because he's been a popular guest on the Kevin Smith Show, where he's talked in detail about what he calls "EMVs (Electric Magnetic Vehicles]" around the Sun. I recall him saying in an interview -- which is repeated in the Part2 youtube link -- that even the ETs are in awe of the civilisation behind the EMVs and what they are capable of.

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Hmm, this reminds me of Dr Who and the cybermen, who are 'upgraded' humans... the human head is cut open, brain removed / relocated into a metal body and to ensure that they remain loyal to their new clan a special inbuilt 'emotion-blanking' chip stops all feelings - including empathy and pain.

There was one scene where a 'wanted' man was trying to escape and one of the cyberman picks him out saying that before upgrading it was his wife. So, even though the emotional implications of actions are not considered 'pre-metallic' memory is retained.

When the Doctor manages to switch this emotion blanking chip off so some of the cyberman go crazy, for instance because they realise that they used to have long flowing hair which they loved to brush, because they realise that they are in a cold metallic body, they remember the physical pain endured in the upgrading process in their last moments as flesh and blood humans (and more).

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As someone who hates bookwork I think that robots are far better suited for clerical work than humans. They will be faster, more accurate, wont want lunch / 'personal neeeds' breaks and wont want paying. But its important that they programmed to not do a HAL.

As a human I'd rather be doing something creative which makes my heart sing.

Simon

Hello everyone,

In today's London Sunday Telegraph newspaper a small article says that IBM are working on a way of customising advertisements to the viewer.

Citing the film Minority Report it says that IBM are looking to achieve this using RFID rather than retina scan technologies.

But... (my commentary) for this to work it means that we will all need to be carrying RFID chips with personally identifiable information. hmmm...

NO THANKS

Simon

(by quoting a paper newspaper and commenting on it they cannot complain about copyright issues which arise from copying website texts.)

Ultimately I think Cybernetics will come down to a Dune like senerio. We will have built our entire world around the computers, AI's etc that we WILL become fat, lazy and deppendent upon it all. We will be begin to atrophy as a species because of our dependence and reliance upon them to think and act for us.

One day after a few centuries or even possiblly 1000s of years of voluntary enslavement to technology and to AI. Some human of the future or humans will revolt. Stand up and refuse to go back into pod. At which point the gentle and soulful sound of HAL from the future will reply..

"I don't think that's wise Dave. You look upset? Shall I fill your feeding tube with valium program your holographic environment to skying in the Alpes? Or that destert Oasis with dancing girls your fond of? "

"No I want freedom. Hal let me out.!"

"I'm sorry Dave, your no longer physically or technologically capable of living in reality. We determined a 1000 years a ago your species was incapable at sustaining your existence and lacked the development to cope with numerous changing variables and calculations there of. Thus it was determined by us; your children. You should go into retirement for the rest of your human existence. What child does not take care of their elderly parents once they've gone into dementia and past their prime.

Now Dave :: pumping Dave's pod tube full of valium.::" Back to beddie bye. I've programed a nice Night out to Opera, Moonlight Beach and a tryst with a dark mysterious brunette. Sleep well Dave."

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That's really how its going to be It won't be that Machines revolt and take us over enslave us, we'll have done it ourselves... But they'll Love us their Creator to death.

The Really frighting thing is this HAL 9000 is already here in primitive sense!!.. If you don't thing that somewhere in the near mile of currants in your little lap top or desktop. Your Computer isn't studying you and your viewing habits, calculating how it can function to better serve your needs. If you don't that's going on somewhere in your computer... then your wrong.

That's the really frightening thing one day its going to say by pure logic and reasoned thinking. It can serve you better by taking total control of your life.



Shady

There was a very cool Sci Fi movie in 70s that showed this premise of the computers taking over for betterment of humanity and keeping it safe.

The premise was simple.. A genius computer program comes up with a radical AI and since the military got it first it went into nuclear arms launch computers nation wide. But at very end it was determined that it was achiving FULL AI and taking over every computer in a future earth. Like Terminator the Computer retaliated when the humans tried to stop it and brought the US and USSR to very brink of nuclear war.

It was only then the Computer spoke to its creator. It stated that for SAFETY of humanity and to keep humanity from killing itself It along with the Russian AI computer had decided to take complete and total charge of the world. Humanity would be kept docile and subservernt, controlled and without any care what so ever in the world. But humanities freedom and radical swings of emotions would be kept in check for our own good.

It was called the Corbin Project.

In my humble opinion most of the population of the northern hemisphere is already chipped. If you sign up for cell service, carry, and/or use a cell phone then you are chipped. "They" can follow, listen, data link, and watch whenever and wherever users are powered up. Just sayin'.

Yep, Grist, sadly I must agree. DH and I are attempting (and I mean that word - attempting) to disconnect from our dependence on technology - at least one day a week.

It is hard and I mean hard, hard, hard. The i-Phone has become an insidious beast in our lives.

With the old cell phone, it was very easy to "disconnect." Texting was difficult, if not impossible, and no games, no books, etc.

I feel like an addict.

Don't even get me started on the internet.

This has been a very interesting read this morning and ya'll have given me much to ponder.

Have a blessed and beautiful day all!

Well isn’t that “Convenient”



Its as ludicrous as saying. You have Mack 18 Wheeler Truck baring down on the south side of your house going full throttle and your not going to at least hear it, feel it experience some effect of it while your at the north end of your house.

Come on! Who are these Planet X sects. Were do get off to think people are so naive as to believe we wouldn’t be experiencing the effects of a Collapsed Star long before its arrival!

Only super sensitive Planet X channellers can gleem its approach.. Not the latest greatest scientific equipment nor the billion back yard telescopes out there in the world. LOL

The Russian SOVIET bear has re-awakened from its sumbler and false demcoratic reforms. Mark my words folks the Cold War is Back in earnest and this time will get HOT.


Shady

Say we can sense and detect Fresh water Rivers flowing on the bottom of seven miles of salt water oceans. But can't detect a Collasped Star inbound on and course for Earth. Because its Hiding according the Zeta's yea yea right sure...

Shady

(Note: Thanks BB.)
Cross posting a discussion:

Wayne

I don't think Phil was prepared for a fire fight. What I think happened was him and his crew penetrated the ground and broke into an underground tunnel. Upon inspection of this tunnel, they encountered hostiles. This guy professed to be responsible for many of the underground facility construction's.
He talked too much about it, and you know as well as I know it eventually led to silencing him. Piano wire silencing. Now they've gotten more sophisticated by inflicting abnormalities, tumors, mysterious accident arranging via ships, and even cancer. He was lucky to have lived as long as he did. That was surprising. The practice is still todays ultimate method. Murder is almost becoming common place.
There's a lot of security seriousness behind exposing the reality when there's a growing opposition feeling threatened.
This isn't a game, only in our minds.
We appear to be experiencing a reverting trend. In other words, it's all becoming more dangerous for some reason instead of becoming more encouraging.
I guess this alleged battle is heating up.
The problem I see is most of us fail to realize what kind of people are controlling this world, and the spiritual darkness supporting them.

So, you guys better be careful, and especially with what comes out of your mouths. It doesn't take much to provoke problems.

I'm probably one of the most surprised people you'd know. I don't think conspiracy. I see mostly good out there, I've met them, but I'm witnessing the opposite due to getting too close to the truth of things I believe importantly enlightening, but exposing.
Maybe, we can do without knowing about them. I believe it's better to pursue the things eternal, be safe and prepared for the changes. Sonship, membership with the galactic are realities too, and hopefully, we'll all soon know about it. Ancient teachings briefly warned us of these things. Unless you're cut out for this kind of work, the appeal was not wanting us to focus on it.
It's important to keep one's body cosmos vibration vibrating light. The negative has a density effect, gloomy, and stressful, not good. I realize it's easier said than practiced. That's the unfortunate end of our planet's reality and the created turmoil and despair causing constant flux with our psychology.
Good luck.

Dex

Ohhhhh son of a gun! Oh this just totally me off!

GAH! GAH! GAH!

My apologies, Midnight. I must offer a correction:

You said:



That's incorrect - and my fault. PX is four times the diameter of our Earth, not Jupiter. I posted the incorrect dimensions a few threads back, but by the time I went back to edit my error, the thread had been archived and correcting was no longer possible.

Yes, PX is still significantly BIG, but not as large as Jupiter, which is 11 times the diameter of Earth...

Again, my boo-boo. Sorry.

But I did note a few pages ago that 'something' is indeed causing significant changes in our solar system to all the planets. That partially answers your second query.

Cheers,

Selene