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Nick Redfern's Blog for May 14th worth a read and something to ponder.


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UFO Insiders: The Problem

Greg’s post UFO Belief and Cognitive Dissonance is both highly instructive and food-for-thought for any of us that delve into the murky world of the government insider - or have interaction with such characters.

Greg states in part: “What many of the ‘insiders’ who leak information to the public are counting on are researchers and their audience who already have an unshakeable belief in the idea that there are extraterrestrial beings visiting us and that there is a dark secret about this fact being held by those in power–everything from some sort of agreement with an alien race to the idea that our best technological and spiritual advances came from these beings.”

This is indeed true.

However, occasionally, the opposite can be true, too. As I found when undertaking the research for my books Body Snatchers in the Desert and On the Trail of the Saucer Spies, there are significant numbers of whistleblowers who are also just as likely to promote the idea that:

(A) We do not have aliens among us and that the Roswell affair was not an ET-related event (Body Snatchers); and:

(B) The government’s interest in “us” as a community has nothing to do with our “alien beliefs;” but is actually focused upon official concerns pertaining to the political interests and activities of certain players in the UFO research arena (Saucer Spies).

Then there are those shadowy sources who straddle the middle ground; that “gray” area where anything goes, and where the story gets even more complicated and convoluted.

In the latter category I place firmly a strange story told to the late Karl Pflock by a shadowy, un-named source. In some quarters Karl was portrayed as a UFO skeptic. He was not. Karl was a champion of the Betty and Barney Hill case, and had come to the conclusion that from the 1940s to the 70s, there were some definite, strange things afoot in our skies of a firmly alien nature.

However, Karl did not believe that aliens had crashed at Roswell, New Mexico on that fateful day back in July 1947; and as a result, his words were often dismissed as those of a debunker - which was grossly wide of the mark.

So, Karl was hardly a champion of crashed UFO tales - at all. Yet he, too, became the recipent of data that sounds suspiciously whistleblower-like in nature and that had a bearing on crashed UFOs. We are well-accustomed to hearing about pro-crashed UFO researchers being on the receiving end of “allegedly real” MJ12 style documents or secret testimony; but it is not every day that those on the other side of the fence find themselves implicated in such scenarios, too. But, as with Karl, it does happen.

I met Karl only once: at a UFO gig in Aztec, New Mexico a few years back. Both of us shared a mutual interest in the story of the Aztec “crashed UFO” legend of March 1948 - a weird and controversial story that seems to have just about as many supporters as it does detractors.

For the next couple of years, Karl and I kept in regular touch by email and phone; and at one point we even planned on co-writing a book on Aztec - with the thrust of it focusing upon the life of one Silas Newton: a notorious figure whose involvement in the story leads many to believe (quite justifiably, too) that Aztec is utterly without merit in terms of being a genuine, credible UFO incident. We got about as far as a synopsis for the book, and a pooling of information; and that was about it, unfortunately.

Put bluntly, Silas Newton was a shady character, who was the subject of an FBI file that most definitely did not portray him in a great light, and who had run-ins with the law throughout much of his life. Newton was also one of the chief sources of data that led author Frank Scully to write his 1950 book on the Aztec affair: Behind the Flying Saucers.

And it was with respect to Silas Newton that, in the late 1990s, Karl was the recipient of data that can be said to fall into classic “shadowy informant” territory.

In Karl’s own words: “In 1998, under curious circumstances, I was made privy to a fascinating document about one of the most controversial cases of the Golden Age of Flying Saucers, the so-called Aztec crash of 1948. I had little more than passing interest in the case until 1998, when a source, who insists on complete anonymity, showed me a handwritten testament, set down by the key player in this amazing, often amusing, truth-is-stranger-than-fiction episode.”

He continued that: “It seems that what I was shown was…something penned by sly old Silas Newton, but what can we say about the veracity of its content?”

Karl added that after having spoken publicly about the Aztec affair (albeit under the name of “Scientist X”) Newton “received two visitors at his Newton Oil Company office in Denver.”

“The men,” Karl explained, “claimed to be with a highly secret U.S. Government entity, which they refused to name. Were they Air Force OSI [Office of Special Investigations] agents, who Newton hyped into something more mysterious? Newton writes, ‘They grilled me, tried to poke holes in my story. Had no trouble doing it and laughed in my face about the scientific mistakes I made. They never said so, but I could tell they were trying to find out if I really knew anything about flying saucers that had landed. Did not take these fellows long to decide I did not. But I sure knew they did.’”

Karl expanded further, and the tale became even more intriguing: “Newton’s visitors told him they knew he was pulling a scam and then gave him what may have been the surprise of his life: ‘Those fellows said they wanted me to keep it up, keep telling the flying saucer story and that they and the people they worked for would look out for me…I could go on doing what I always did and not worry about it.’”

Karl asked the notable questions: “Did the U.S. Government or someone associated with it use Newton to discredit the idea of crashed flying saucers so a real captured saucer or saucers could be more easily kept under wraps? Was this actually nothing to do with real saucers but instead some sort of psychological warfare operation?”

Sadly, Karl died in 2006; and he never revealed the name of his informant. However, during the period that we were planning on writing the book, Karl did tell me that his source’s data had come from a journal written by Newton - that may have been the initial outline for a planned book by Newton himself - in the early 1970s. Moreover, Karl had been able to confirm that the handwriting definitely was Newton’s.

Unfortunately, Karl’s passing brought this aspect of the Aztec story to a standstill.

But there are several things worth noting:

(A) Karl, via a shadowy, un-named informant, was shown data that offered the possibility, at least, that the U.S. Government was engaged in a strange psychological warfare operation to hide real crashed saucers;

(B) Karl was not at all a champion of the idea that aliens had crashed at either Roswell or Aztec - yet this seemingly did not matter to the shadowy person who related the data to Karl, and who showed him the relevant material penned in Silas Newton’s own hand;

(C) This only served to confuse the issue of what did, or did not, occur at Aztec even further;

(D) Silas Newton - as a conman and rogue - was considered as someone that elements of the Government were willing to work with with respect to possibly confusing the crashed UFO issue even further.

So what’s my point?

I will repeat Greg’s words again: “What many of the ‘insiders’ who leak information to the public are counting on are researchers and their audience who already have an unshakeable belief in the idea that there are extraterrestrial beings visiting us and that there is a dark secret about this fact being held by those in power–everything from some sort of agreement with an alien race to the idea that our best technological and spiritual advances came from these beings.”

Remember those words; for they are utterly true. However, as I have demonstrated above, shadowy, un-named sources also make use of others, too: such as those who are skeptical of crashed UFO accounts and much of the lore that goes along with this aspect of the subject (Karl); and even convicted con-men (Newton).

In other words, there are those on the inside who seem to be willing to tell their Deep Throat-like stories to one and all; and not just to to those that swallow them in wide-eyed, jaw-dropping fashion.

Unfortunately, this still does not answer the question of what lies at the heart of the UFO puzzle. And this is the problem with the “UFO Insiders”: they rarely provide proof of anything.

Indeed, none of these people ever shed any light on the truth behind the UFO puzzle that can be utterly and conclusively confirmed. What they are very good at, however, is ensuring that certain elements of the UFO research community - at least, those that salivate like Pavlov’s Dogs whenever the terms “whistleblower” and “leaked documents” are used - are kept busy (for decades, in some cases - MJ12 being one) chasing the things that the whistleblowers are responsible for bringing to light in the first place.

And maybe that’s the point. We have to remember that when it comes to working with the classic “government insider” we are all (believers, fence-sitters, and skeptics alike) in the same boat; and it’s a boat filled with half-truths, lies, disinformation, occasional facts and masses of data that promises a lot but that usually ends up in years of tireless research, countless dollars and pounds spent, but with few definitive answers ever secured.

And, meanwhile, deep within the bowels of the Pentagon, men in black suits and cigar-chomping generals congratulate themselves on the fact that, yes, once again, they have successfully manipulated the UFO research community into those pathways and avenues that are perceived as being far less problematic than the road to the truth - whatever that may be.

Won’t get fooled again? Of course the UFO community will get fooled again. Unless we wise up and start playing these people at their own game.

Greg’s Project Beta demonstrated perfectly how a dedicated researcher - and one not driven by the fatal “I Want To Believe” factor - can get very close to possibly uncovering the people who hide the real secrets, as well as determining what those secrets may be.

Next time a shadowy insider approaches you with startling tales of amazing, alien activity under New Mexico, or stories of dead aliens and crashed UFOs, I recommend that you spend less time investigating the stories and much more time secretly investigating your source(s).

Taking that approach may offer you a far greater chance of finding the truth than spending endless nights staring at the stars, wondering what may be out there; or hanging out at a government archive for weeks at a time.

After all, these people are getting their orders and stories from somewhere, and likely from someone way above them. And their superiors are probably getting their data from an even higher source.

Since the UFO presence is by its nature elusive, and the government deems us only worthy of half-truths, lies and disinformation, perhaps we should stop looking for UFOs and instead launch a concerted effort to expose the people pulling the whistleblowers’ strings and directing their actions. Only by doing that, I believe, do we stand a real chance of finding the answers that we seek.


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Hey Don, interesting discussion on ZT at Hidden Mission:
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Does Necropolis hold the key to Freemasonry’s secret history?

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FACT OR FANCY? The bridge which permits entry, through two pillars and an arch, to Glasgow Necropolis. Picture: Colin Mearns

http://theherald.co.uk/news/news/displa ... 29.0.0.php


Does Necropolis hold the key to Freemasonry’s secret history?

Conspiracy theorists see them everywhere, from the paintings of Da Vinci to the humble dollar bill.

Real or imagined, the symbols of Freemasonry through the ages have beguiled and tantalised. Now their biggest secret may have been exposed in the heart of Scotland's biggest city.

Research has suggested Glasgow Necropolis is a giant masonic symbol, fully 37 acres of landscaped metaphor.


down the history of one of Scotland's best-known landmarks. It would also make the Necropolis one of the biggest masonic sites on the planet.

"The more I looked, the more I saw," Mr Scott explained yesterday after years of painstaking study at Glasgow University. "I began to see a pattern emerge and the Necropolis began to look like a very large and very solid representation of masonic ideals and symbolism.

"The Necropolis is clearly a symbolic landscape and my research indicates that we should start to think of it as a freemasonic landscape, one that has been planned and modelled as the moral teachings of the Craft, made solid and very visible. Hidden in plain sight, you could say."

The Necropolis opened in 1833 and for more than a century was the only place in which the great and the good of Glasgow would be seen dead. All the main players in its planning were Freemasons. So too were many of the men interred in its many ornate crypts and graves, often structures emblazoned with symbols of the craft.

The monument to Walter Macfarlane, Glasgow's Victorian king of cast iron, looks like a Royal Arch, the emblem of the fourth degree of Freemasonry. Many others feature Egyptian architecture, which inspired so much of the iconography of the masons, who, some legends have it, keep the secrets of the pyramids. Indeed, the Necropolis was inspired by Pere Lachaise, the Paris graveyard that was itself designed by a Freemason.

But it was the design of the cemetery that gave Mr Scott, who is not a mason, his greatest clue. "Just as a Freemason's career progresses from the west to the east, and from darkness to light, so is the Necropolis laid out," he said. Those entering the graveyard pass over a bridge, by an arch, through two pillars and up a hill, on a journey from west to east.

Mr Scott's theories are causing excitement among scholars of Freemasonry. More than 230 professors from across Europe, America and Asia will gather in Edinburgh to discuss his findings and other research.

Among them will be Robert Cooper, curator of the Grand Lodge of Scotland. He said: "There are several cemeteries in Scotland where there are graves with masonic symbols, for example, Robert Burns's in Dumfries, which is very masonic in its design."

Mr Scott, who recently published a history of the Necropolis called Death by Design, is not the only academic set to explore the mysterious world of symbolism at the Edinburgh get-together.

"This conference is very much Freemasonry coming home," Mr Cooper said.

Freemasonry is widely believed to have firm Scottish roots. The earliest surviving minutes of a masonic lodge date from Edinburgh in 1598. The craft grew out of a professional guild for the men who built medieval cathedrals into an international organisation that has inspired countless conspiracies. The Necropolis would be far from the only landmark in the city with masonic symbolism. Mr Scott cites emblems on a tenement next to the Buttery restaurant in Argyle Street and a masonic temple in West Regent Street.

The building best known for its masonic influences in Scotland is Rosslyn Chapel, thanks to Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code. Mr Cooper, however, stresses Rosslyn is a Catholic Church, not a masonic building. The Necropolis, some are already speculating, could become an even more important site of pilgrimage for the world's six million Freemasons.

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THE NECROPOLIS
# The graveyard was opened in 1833 by a group of men from the Merchants' House of Glasgow, most of whom are understood to have been masons.

# Its location and layout mirrors the masonic journey "from darkness to light". Those entering the cemetery do so across a bridge, through two pillars and by an arch before they climb a hill. All, as in the masonic journey, from west to east.

# There are clear masonic emblems on graves and crypts.

# The Necropolis has long played on the imaginations of Glaswegians, often in ways far more sinister than the worst fears of masonic conspiracies.

# The cemetery features prominently in Alasdair Gray's 1981 novel Lanark. The eponymous hero of the book is swallowed by a huge mouth which opens in the ground of the city graveyard and leads him into the hellish subterranean world of the Institute, where the population lives on human flesh.

The freemasons
# The first recorded meetings of Freemasons were in Edinburgh, in 1598. There are now six million Freemasons worldwide, 70,000 of them in Scotland.

# Notable Scottish masons have included Robert Burns; Sir Walter Scott; Sir Harry Lauder; Jimmy Shand; and Jock Stein. Worldwide masonry has attracted everybody from great statesmen to artists. Mozart was a mason. So was Winston Churchill, George Washington, John Steinbeck and even the 20th-century socialist firebrand Manny Shinwell.

# The organisation is split into numbered lodges. Members used to discover which lodge a fellow mason was in by asking "how old your granny is". The answer wasn't an age, but a lodge number.


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Post Silas Newton's Criminal Past.
Alluded to but never described. It could range from traffic tickets to murder. What was was the "con" for which he was convicted?

Is anyone here familiar with to story or do they have a contact with the writer?

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Alluded to but never described. It could range from traffic tickets to murder. What was was the "con" for which he was convicted?

Is anyone here familiar with to story or do they have a contact with the writer?


I'm not familiar with Silas Newton, but I am familiar with Nick Redfern. He was quite patronizing with me when I first volunteered to assist him with the National Archives, and later when I asked his advice in the early days of our odyssey in Canada.

As you may suspect, he did absolutely nothing. Contributed not even an opinion. He did listen to my phone calls, but they all came to nothing. Anyone that spends any degree of thought-time on his opinions needs to find out why he had a falling-out with Ryan Wood, of the Majesticdocuments.com website. One source of mine intimated to me that Nick was indeed the type of individual who was 'leaked' to intentionally, to carry disinfo and muddy the waters, so in that respect he has performed handsomely in describing the very kind of person he was portrayed to be by those intending to manipulate him. However, in recognizing this, he suspected (and this was also intended, IMHO) that all other 'recipients' of 'secret info' were credulous and slack-jawed; again, the problem isn't that the ufers continue to swallow hook, line, and sinker, but that they've become so jaded that they forget that the issues are actionable and not merely cause for endless musing punctuated by infrequent "ah-HAH! CAUGHT YOU IN A LIE!" bursts.

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McCartney, Bowie; May Headline: Aliens Contact Concert
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/4044494a5620.html
Sir Paul McCartney, David Bowie and Michael Jackson are set to make contact with aliens, claims author Michael C Luckman. The acts, along with Sir Elton John and The Rolling Stones, have been lined up to headline a series of concerts aimed at establishing peaceful contact with aliens by beaming music into outer space. Luckman, author of Alien Rock: The Rock 'n' Roll Extraterrestrial Connection, plans to hold his 'Signals to Space Concerts' in Berlin, Tokyo, New York, China, Russia, Mexico and London, and hopes extraterrestrials will respond to the shows. The aim of the concerts is to beam live music into outer space, particularly to targets in our solar systems, including Mars and the moon, to try and establish peaceful contact with extraterrestrial civilisations. Each show will be as large as Woodstock. Some of the possible headliners are Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Elton John, David Bowie, The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith and Michael Jackson. Pete Bennett, the legendary promotion manager for the Beatles is also going to be involved in the project.

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"The Necropolis is clearly a symbolic landscape and my research indicates that we should start to think of it as a freemasonic landscape, one that has been planned and modelled as the moral teachings of the Craft, made solid and very visible. Hidden in plain sight, you could say."


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An intriguing comment/response posted by: Temple Master, Oracle, AZ on 8:36am Mon 14 May 07 at the Herald:-

Yes, your perception of reality (instilled by freemasonry) readily supports 'plausible deniability' because the entire point is for freemasons to remain blissfully ignorant of the true inner realm (the Illuminati). Their intent is for you to perpetuate the 'fraternal' aspect to the profane and vulgar (i.e. the masses & media) while freemasons remain far outside the 'sanctus sanctorum'. This is how nearly every mason can realistically state that they "know nothing about the Illuminati" and "Freemasons are not involved" ...because masons do not know the true secret, and most never will. This is the purpose the masons serve in the grand scheme: they're NWO cannon fodder.

FYI, we DO practice high-magick; yet you don't know, because most masons are below the upper degrees (33+). Masonic lodges are concerned with the 'tangible' aspects of esoteric science, not magic.

Just FYI, here's a little known secret: you don't have to attend Yale to be 'tapped' for the Skull & Bones Society, but you -must- have the proper bloodline and/or background... the Yale 'requirement' is just disinformation propagated via the simple-minded media shills. Again, it serves a diversionary purpose, focusing media attention upon just one school. I was 'tapped' 2000 miles away from Yale.

David Icke? He's got a few things correct, but he is still perceived as being 'on the fringe' because the masses cannot grasp such a vast and centuries-old conspiracy; their minds are barely able to think beyond the next few hours, days, or months (let alone a few years)... the profane simply do not think in terms of decades and centuries.

Note how David Icke, Texx Mars, Alex Jones, et-al are always selling new DVDs, books, etc.. Do you really think they would be allowed to sell and promote their publications without the controllers' consent?! If you do, I suggest you read the end of Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' again, it's all a diversion. In other words, "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."

With all due respect to Mr. Scott's work, it appears rather obvious the Necropolis was saturated with Masonic tradition. What's the news?

My point? Nothing new in the 'news'... just another DIVERSION.


If you want a place which is bristling with odd, occult and masonic symbols and monuments -- from concrete cows to gigantic obelisks -- it's Milton Keynes (MK), a new "town" built in Buckinghamshire, in the south of England, after World War 2. Years ago, I read an online article that had claimed Milton Keynes was a major Illuminati project. The town is actually laid out in a naughts and crosses [tic tac toe] grid-like pattern. The lands the town was built on belonged to the Lords Tavistock. According to 'Who Owns Britain', Buckinghamshire's top landowners are the Rothschild Family and Lord Peter Carrington (a pillar of the British state, he was a British Foreign secretary in Thatcher's government and ex- Secretary-General of Nato)...Bletchley Park (the site of secret British codebreaking activities during WWII of the German Enigma code) and Chequers (the Prime Minister's country home) are also in Buckinghamshire.

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(above) Lord Carrington, in his regalia.

Stanley Kubrick's final film, 'Eyes Wide Shut,' was filmed in Buckinghamshire [even though it was set in the USA]. The film explored the Illuminati, mind control and Satanic rituals/orgies. Anyone who's seen the film will know it was laced with a lot of hidden, occult meaning that no doubt went over the heads of most people when they watched it (me included at the time, I regret to say). Some folks think that Kubrick was a major Illuminati player who used the medium of film to further the Illuminati agenda; however, with Eyes Wide Shut, he had finally seen the light and was trying to disabuse himself of his past, and that had "cost" him his life prematurely.


Don, I agree with you about Nick Redfern -- Nick's strings are obviously becoming seriously frayed from being pulled from ufological pillar to cynical post, with Nick's foot being pulled in the believers camp one year, while his other foot lands in the skeptics camp the next year, thanks to the machinations of individuals leaking privileged {dis}info.

Mick Jagger singing a duet with Mi-cha-t'an from the Sirius B star system fills me with dread. He won't get any satisfaction with him/her/it, I can tell him that now. :P


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Scientologists:

http://www.cnn.com/video/partners/click ... ircles.cnn

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talking about Messiahs and Madmen....

quick and interesting Bio on old L. Ron :
http://www.nndb.com/people/545/000026467/

apparently he dropped out of GW (George Washington University)
apparently he passed some bad checks too...

and he was a member of Ordo Templi Orientis along with Aleister Crowley etc..
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Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (Order of the Temple of the East, or the Order of Oriental Templars) is an international fraternal and religious organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century. Originally it was intended to be tied to and modelled on Freemasonry,[1] but under the leadship of Aleister Crowley was reorganized based on the Law of Thelema as its central religious and organizational principle. Some adherents believe that this Law—which is expressed as “Do what thou wilt”—was established in 1904 with the writing down of The Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley. Similar to many secret societies, O.T.O. membership is based on an initiatory system with a series of degree ceremonies that use ritual drama to establish fraternal bonds and impart spiritual and philosophical teachings.

O.T.O. also includes the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica (EGC) or Gnostic Catholic Church, which is the ecclesiastical arm of the Order. Its central rite, which is public, is called Liber XV, or the Gnostic Mass.

O.T.O. claims over 3000 members in 58 countries; about half of these are in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis

some interesting members of O.T.O.
http://www.nndb.com/org/952/000050802/


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PS Dag I'm curious was your relationship wth dan and marci much deeper then you alude to? Your hate of them seems deep, the wound went to the bone?



Deeper than I allude to? To what depth do I allude? D&M are liers, cheats, unethical human beings posturing as hero's in their own minds.

Just because I call them on it, as do I with others who appear to be dishonest (i.e. you), and bring questions to the publics attention doesn't mean I hate the individuals I'm questioning. All it means is that if you choose to put yourself in the light of the public the public has a right to understand who (or what) you are BEFORE they believe, take in, diguest anything you have to say.

Let's take you as an example, you APPEAR to have some conflicting views, (for instance, you at one point had a box that proved Dan was a fraud and that 99% of what he said was not true. You threatened to go public with the box if ever he became too popular. Well here we are, were's the box? Ooops! All of a sudden, you now believe he IS working with MJ-12, and now what he says is true BUT he's a sinner???) This example is just the tip of the ice burg but I think it paints the picture I'm trying to convey. How can one go from a skeptic with PROOF of the lie to a believer of the lie, yet with ethical concerns of the liers actions?

So what do I do when faced with such an hypocracy? I call you on it and wait for an explination. Just like with Dan. And like Dan, we have yet to hear a suitable explination. Which leads me to think A) you are not NS anymore, B) you never were NS (in the since we thought), you were in fact a tool used to stir the pot as nececary and thus either one of them or working with them, C) a lier, D) a prankster. As you will notice none of my conclusions would result in anyone taking what you have to say seriously since you have yet to clear yourself from these hypocracies. Nor has D&M.

I am here, along with a great many others, as a seeker of truth and unfortunatly most of the time that simply means finding the lies. If I can help my colleuges and friends find those lies and point out the liers, and visa-versa, then that just speeds up the process for us all.

My emotional ties to D&M is really fundamental. They hurt my feelings. They pretended to be something they never were, my friend. But that's as deep as that goes and at this point I'm way over it. My actions and words as they are now are simply pointing out their lies to the public. I don't think I come accross emotional, just factual.

I think this question from you is laced with your emotions because I'm asking you a hard question. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. I could be wrong on that though. Just an assumption.

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http://www.improb.com/ig/


Improbable Research:
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The Ig Nobel Prizes honor achievements that first make people laugh, and then make them think. The prizes are intended to celebrate the unusual, honor the imaginative -- and spur people's interest in science, medicine, and technology.

"Last, but not least, there are the Ig Nobel awards. These come with little cash, but much cachet, and reward those research projects that 'first make people laugh, and then make them think'" -- Nature

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In a gala ceremony in Harvard's Sanders Theatre, 1200 splendidly eccentric spectators watch the winners step forward to accept their Prizes. These are physically handed out by genuinely bemused genuine Nobel Laureates.

The ceremony is webcast live.

The Ig Nobel Prizes are organized by the magazine Annals of Improbable Research. (AIR) The ceremony is co-sponsored by the Harvard-Radcliffe Society of Physics Students and the Harvard-Radcliffe Science Fiction Association.

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Didn't Dan go through a "blind" stage in his life?

more about L.Ron -- some his story sound a lot like DB
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/relig ... n-hubbard/
check it out...


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In November he was assigned to serve as the Navigation Officer on a freighter, the SS Algol. There he spent nine months trying not to die of boredom. Finally, he was accepted into a three-month Military Government course at the Navy Training School on the campus of Princeton University. It is really astonishing that Hubbard managed to make it through the course, because he soon wound up in a VA hospital, where he spent two years recovering from extensive war injuries. As he put it:


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Blinded with injured optic nerves, and lame with physical injuries to hip and back, at the end of World War II, I faced an almost non-existent future. [...]
And so there came a further blow -- I was abandoned by family and friends as a supposedly hopeless cripple and a probable burden upon them for the rest of my days. Yet I worked my way back to fitness and strength in less than two years, using only what I knew about Man and his relationship to the universe. I had no one to help me; what I had to know I had to find out. And it's quite a trick studying when you cannot see.

I became used to being told it was all impossible, that there was no way, no hope. Yet I came to see again and walk again.


As inspiring as Hubbard's recovery was, it was even more amazing that he had made it through the entire government class at Princeton both blind and crippled. Once again, if you heard this story about anyone other than L. Ron, you would be right to question it. Especially given the fact that Lt. Hubbard's medical records include nothing more serious than an ulcer. Which is troublesome, until you discover that Hubbard wound up making some very powerful enemies near the end of his life, who would like nothing more than to discredit him and his work.


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After his miraculous recovery and discharge from the service, L. Ron was sent on a secret mission to infiltrate a coven of warlocks in Pasadena, California. The government instructed Hubbard to destroy it from within. Unfortunately, there is no record of any government agency making such a request, but you really can't expect the Feds to hand over sensitive paperwork like that. But there is independent documentation that L. Ron successfully insinuated himself into the group.
First he befriended Jack Parsons, the head of the Agape Lodge. In no time at all, they became best friends. Next, he seduced Jack's girlfriend Betty. (It's unclear whether this was an assigned objective, or just a fringe benefit.) In early 1946, Parsons wrote a letter to Aleister Crowley, who was the head of the parent organization, the Ordo Templi Orientis:

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About 3 months ago I met Capt L Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time... He is a gentleman, red hair, green eyes, honest and intelligent and we have become great friends. He moved in with me about two months ago, and although Betty and I are still friendly, she has transferred her sexual affections to him.

Although he has no formal training in Magick he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon, but for cogent reasons I have not introduced him to the Lodge.


As illustrated in the letter, Jack had come to trust L. Ron implicitly. In fact, Hubbard had proposed a financial arrangement to speed the disintegration of the Lodge:

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We are pooling our resources in a partnership which will act as a parent company to control our business ventures. I think I have made a great gain, and as Betty and I are the best of friends, there is little loss...

Parsons coughed up $20,970.80, Hubbard threw in $1,183.91, and with that $22,154.71 in seed money they formed Allied Enterprises. Then L. Ron suggested that they invest in yachts. They would buy underpriced boats in Florida and sell them in California. Since he was an accomplished sea captain, Hubbard would sail them to Los Angeles. This idea sounded good to Jack. So in May, Hubbard and Betty left for Florida on a boat-buying mission.

Evidently, part of the government plan to root out the coven involved squandering its financial resources, because as soon as Hubbard got to Florida he drained the Allied Enterprises bank account and spent it all on three yachts and a whole lot of high living.

In the end, Parsons went to court but only managed to recover about half his money. The financial trouble must have hindered the Agape Lodge, and by extension the OTO. After being apprised of the situation, Crowley dispatched a message to his subordinate expressing utter dismay:

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From our brother's account he has given away both his girl and his money -- apparently it is an ordinary confidence trick.

Which was certainly true, of course. Except what Crowley didn't know -- and the feds still refuse to admit -- is that Hubbard had done it all for Uncle Sam. It is quite possible that without Ron's courageous undercover work, America would today be overrun by the forces of evil.


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In late 1953, L. Ron Hubbard announced to the world that the Dianetics system was more than just a self-improvement mechanism -- it was also the key to understanding the source of mankind's spirituality. In other words, Dianetics was now a religion. Hubbard termed his new faith Scientology.
Ron had made this unparalleled discovery through a technique established in Dianetics -- reliving past experiences to root out traumatic memories. Hubbard proposed that the earlier the memory, the more impact it has on the grown subject. Many adherents of Dianetics wind up re-experiencing life events all the way back to the gamete stage, remembering the consciousness they had when they were just a sperm cell. In fact, Hubbard realized that he could use this method to remember past lives, all the way backward through one's evolutionary ancestors, thus proving once and for all both evolution and reincarnation.

He also empirically calculated the age of the immortal soul (or more accurately, the thetan), which he determined to be trillions or quadrillions of years. (This figure is significantly older than the planet Earth.) LRH revealed that our material bodies contain a collection of these thetans, one of which is dominant and the rest fight for control. Which brings us to the centerpiece of L. Ron Hubbard's mind-blowing theology. It turns out that our spirits were actually transported to this planet 75 million years ago -- back when its proper name was "Teegeeack" -- by an impossibly cruel dictator known as Xenu.

Xenu was the head of the Galactic Federation, a group of civilizations on 76 planets in our general neighborhood of the cosmos. As a result of incredible overcrowding problems, Xenu ordered that millions or billions of political dissidents from the various planets be brought to Teegeeack, where they were brainwashed and their souls implanted into the local fauna. Many dozens of these thetans were crammed into each animal. Then the creatures were dropped into volcanoes and vaporized with hydrogen bombs. Through Scientology, LRH provided the means by which a person can exorcise his unwanted thetans and undo Xenu's brainwashing.

This process is extremely dangerous if done improperly. So naturally, the Church of Scientology is very careful about who receives the full briefing. It's the kind of thing that could permanently damage the psyche of an unprepared mind. Which is why none of this information is provided to Scientologists until after years of mental preparation and training.


Operation Snow White:
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The "Snow White Program" was written by L. Ron Hubbard (LRH)[2] as an attempt to reduce or eliminate unfavorable reports on Scientology, the Church of Scientology, and LRH himself, especially those held by government agencies such as Interpol and the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. Critics and supporters of Scientology generally have different beliefs on whether the illegal acts committed to carry out Hubbard's orders were a misunderstanding of his directives or in fact exactly what he had ordered.[3]

Scientology documents known as "Snow White Operating Targets" describe the agencies to be targeted. Other planned elements of the operation included petitioning governments and the United Nations to charge government critics of Scientology with genocide, on the theory that official criticism of the group constituted "deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction".[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White


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If your researching Scientology there is MUST SEE video on the web produced by the BBC Investigative News show Panorama

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/panorama/default.stm

It literally blows the lid off Scientology and was broadcast Monday Night. THe Scientology Cult is flooding the web and attempting to surpress and attack anyone trying to get this video out across the web.

You can view the video on line until next monday and you'll need a real player video program. Works great on dial up too, though the video is a little choppy yet the audio is great.

After viewing the video there is NO doubt in the world that Scientology is a dangerous mind controling cult! The Higher ups of the org literally believe themselves to be incarnated alien intelligence beings. John Travolta, Christy Allie all of them, Tom Cruise all of them literally believe themselves to be apart of these incarnated alien intelligence.


Spread this video link to any forums your on Stary as I said the Scientologist are out to suppress this video by any possible means. Literally even showing up in the forums I've been sharing the link. I wouldn't be surprised if they show up here too.. They must have some deep search search engines..lol


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http://www.cnn.com/video/partners/click ... ircles.cnn

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talking about Messiahs and Madmen....

quick and interesting Bio on old L. Ron :
http://www.nndb.com/people/545/000026467/

apparently he dropped out of GW (George Washington University)
apparently he passed some bad checks too...

and he was a member of Ordo Templi Orientis along with Aleister Crowley etc..
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Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (Order of the Temple of the East, or the Order of Oriental Templars) is an international fraternal and religious organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century. Originally it was intended to be tied to and modelled on Freemasonry,[1] but under the leadship of Aleister Crowley was reorganized based on the Law of Thelema as its central religious and organizational principle. Some adherents believe that this Law—which is expressed as “Do what thou wilt”—was established in 1904 with the writing down of The Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley. Similar to many secret societies, O.T.O. membership is based on an initiatory system with a series of degree ceremonies that use ritual drama to establish fraternal bonds and impart spiritual and philosophical teachings.

O.T.O. also includes the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica (EGC) or Gnostic Catholic Church, which is the ecclesiastical arm of the Order. Its central rite, which is public, is called Liber XV, or the Gnostic Mass.

O.T.O. claims over 3000 members in 58 countries; about half of these are in the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis

some interesting members of O.T.O.
http://www.nndb.com/org/952/000050802/


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that guy Tom on the BBC show reminds me of the thug personas on Sneds...


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My own encounter with the O.T.O


Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (Order of the Temple of the East, or the Order of Oriental Templars)

Had my own run in with a group of O.T.O during my days at Indiana University. They nearly took my life in an occultist magical battle. As you can see though I’m still here though. J

In 1988 after a year at IU I had come into networking with fellow Wiccan and Pagan students and a few professors on campus. I was also a spokes person of the Progressive Poltical Student Union on Campus. So I decided with Wicca/Pagan friends to go through formal process of establishing a Pagan Student Union on campus.

In the Fall semester of 88 we started to organize and host campus meetings for all Wiccans and Pagans interested in establishing the the PSU. The typical putting up fliers passing out flyers set up booths here and there on campus. A month into putting up flyers for the first meetings we found out that some one was literally going around campus and pulling down our flyers and putting pressure on the facility advisors to not support our request. We thought it very odd and thought it was the typical Fundie Christian Students on the campus with the typical claims of Wiccans and Pagans being devil worshipers and other non-sense. So we redoubled our efforts to organize the campus and even got the formalization process into high gear by getting the endorsement of the Dean of Students. We were all set to move forward and I would have been the spokesmen for the PSU.

In October of that year I was hanging around in the student lounge crashing between classes and working on a up coming term paper. When suddenly the most stunning and stacked brunette I had ever seen up to that point came up to my table. (Ok Shady was no Saint at the time but hormone raging long haired hippie type and he wasn’t exactly interested in picking Tracy’s intellectual mind }: ). Tracy wore a pentacle and other occult symbolism and well we hit it off right then and there with conversation, like interests, plotical views even down to such mundane things like choose of coffee and tea. It was increable it like someone had picked my mind of the view of the “perfect” girl and there she was sitting across the table from me. It was like love at first sight, I was floored stunned, enchanted, boiling with want and lust in a matter of 2 ½ hour intense conversation leaving my jaw dragging on the floor. For the next four weeks Tracy and I were well …. Into each other each and every second we could get..lol An I must say with the intensity of wolves in heat.. Lol I must say the warning bells should have gone off when those encounters started to result in finger nail scars down my back and and bites in unspeakable places…. But at the time it was cool 8-). < big dumb grin.

Into the third week of our Fall affair tracy told me she was O.T.O . Which I had heard about from the Pagan/Wiccan grape vine but didn’t know much about and always open to learning about other paths. I was introduced to Tracy’s Temple and circle of friends, attended a few of their socials. Which surprised the hell out of me because her Temple had 10-20 year tenured professors on campus and the elites of campus. People that on the outside in their public lives were the most conservative and straight laced on campus. Hell these types could have been classified as ultra right wing due to their known politics and stances on social issues on campus. Yet, privately these guys and gals were hard core O.T.O and deeply into Occult and Hermatic Magick. I borrowed a bunch of books read up as much I could even sat in a few rituals as a guest. They seemed the most friendly and deepen belief bunch I’ve had yet to meet in Occult circles. Nothing that would set off “Red Alert!” warnings in me. That started to change by mid third month though.

Tracy and her group informed me that it was they that had sabotaged the PSU from getting off the ground on Campus. They forcefully debated that it would not be best interests of those of us into Magick and the Old Ways to draw attenstion to ourselves on campus being that Indiana is hard core Conservative State and having a Pagan/Wiccan/Magical Student Union would bring down the media gaze and protests of Fundie Christians on all of us. In the 1980s the Pagan/Wiccan Community was just starting to gain our Federal Recognition as Legit Religious Movement, we were now just starting to get Federal Tax Exempt Status as just another Religion. The 80s was just the start of the Wiccans/Pagan of America coming out from the shadows and into the public and true enough in States like Indiana. Pagans/Wiccans and alike were still having bigoted (hate crime) from the bible thumpers. So there argument has some merit to it yet I felt the only way to counter such hate were the Pagan/Wiccan and Magical community to start basically public ally demanding our Civil Rights and I had the backing of Pagan Wiccan Students on campus who agreed with me. I told Tracy and her group if they wished to remain in the “Broom Closet” that was there choice but I was going ahead with PSU for I felt it was the right thing to do. Well in a matter of week after that meeting my relationship with Tracy turned as cold as Antartic in the deed of winter and she took back her key to her apartment L and the invites to the O.T.O social/study meetings disappeared faster then fairies in day light…lol I realized then Tracy’s affections had been “The Bait” To make me behave. .. Sigh

Spring Semester (Jan of 1989) started and I went back to organizing the PSU in earnest. We had another month to the meeting with School Board and formalizing our plans to establish the PSU on campus. I was back in the student lounge and again saw Tracy for the first time in months. This time the conversation was friendly. I was told that if I proceeded with the finalization that I would have deal with the magical consequences ” Knowing that she had just threatened me I exchanged a few loud choose words with her and told her to “Hit me with your best shot but make sure it counts for you not getting a second chance.” Well by the end of that all six of us on the PSU had gotten the same message. Some from their own professors after class! To say we were spooked is an under statement.

Long story shortened in a matter of a month all six of us on PSU board had very mysterious occurrences happen to them supernatural in orgin. One got pushed down a flight of stairs in the school by invisible hands, another had a gas pipe burst and leak while she slept, another had her five year old boy disappear from the park where she had broght him to play frantic and after calling the cops, the child was found sitting in car with the doors locked, another had his breaks fail while on the highway, another was rushed to the hospital in the middle of the night with an asthmatic attack with no history of it previously in his medical history. By start of march the four of the us original six had resigned and were no longer interested in prosing the PSU finalization as you can well imagined. After each attack literally the following morning or day. Tracy would simply walk into the lounge come up to my table and grin ear to ear without saying a word and put down on the table a single nail before walking on and laughing. Talk about Psychological Warfare.. LOL I simply shouted back at her after the fifth. “You won’t stop me! With the four of our board having resigned the PSU starting on campus was effectively dead and no one of our supporters would step up to fill the empty seats of the board. Oh and Tracy was no longer wearing the Upright Pentacle but a inverted one between her breasts with an elaborate 24 k gold goats head.

In April after the fifth they came for me. With three attacks.. The first the in mid April I came out of my place in the morning getting ready for class heading to the car only to be stopped dead cold in my tracks as I looked over the dash across the hood of my car just as turned the key. Got out in shock and horror and took a look at the hood of my car. Drawn on the hood of it in battery acid was a Magical Hexgram (not a inverted pentacle but more liberate the kind find in Crowley’s books on magic) on the entire hood of the car with four black half melted candles, animal blood poured on top outlining the hexagram and various animal bones outling the design in addition to this a dogs skull sitting in the middle of it. Needless to say I literally flew backwards and to the ground in shock and horror paler then a sheet. An it was a very interesting afternoon calling the cops out to file a report on ‘ritualistic vandaluism’ I didn’t tell them about Tracy though and the O.T.O on campus. Why?!? I would have sounded insane accusing Tenured Professors and Students of being in a occult group attempting to kill me with magic. Who the hell would have believed it in this day and age. They took the report and later my Insurance Agent arrived to take pics for my claim to. He took pale as sheet and looking at me with the expression of “What the hell happened here!” LOL That night though we the original six of the PSU and friends did gather for a Wiccan Banishing and Counter Atttack Ritual. We decided to Use Magical Fire against Magical Fire.

The next attack came in May. But first let me explain that IU’s School Paper reported an act of what they termed as “Fraternity Prank” in the Schools library in the last week of April. Campus Security had discovered a ‘severed pigs head’ and mess in elevator of the Schools library. They assumed it was just another fraternity prank without understanding the occultic symbolism. A pigs head is often associated with black magic (and I only learned it after the attack) the pigs head was found in the evelator that I often took from the student lounge to the main library.

In the second third week of May I had spent three hours in lounge studing for Semester Finals and working on term papers it was Friday the campus nearly empty (a majority of classes being M-W, T-Thr) it was a good time to study in the Library. Got in in the basement lounge pressed the button to the fourth floor. All seemed well until I reached I assume half way between 3rd and 4 th. There was a sudden loud break of metal the elevator jolted and fell free fall 3rd, 2nd 1st and Jambed between the 1st floor and Basement.with such a joit it threw me againt the roof of the car and to the floor.. Well after thirty minutes of regaining my senses as you can well imagine I made sure I hadn’t pissed my pants..lol picked up the emergency phone and called the main desk. “Excuse me I’m trapped in the Library elevator and it just fell 3 floors. Do call some out to extract me before I lose it.. Thank you oh and kindly ‘Get me the hell out of here!.” It took 40 minutes for a crew of fire fighters and Elevator Crew to get to get out there and open the doors. Ten people in all. After the doors were opened yes indeed the car had jambed between 1st floor and basement. I had to craw out of 1 ½ foot gap back out onto the first floor.

To this day I shall not forget what happened next. Just as my feet cleared the gap and I stood up the Car crashed into sub basement repair tunnel and was damaged beyond repair. After several hours of filling out Fire Figher reports, Campus Security and being interviewed by the Campus Paper. The Elevator crew reported to me that:

“The Four Main brakes and safety features had failed including the four redunent brakes and safety features on top of the elevator. There was no logical reason for the elevator had jammed between the 1st floor and basement by all laws of physics it should have free fallen into the sub basement.”

They may have not had a reason why I wasn’t killed but I can tell you this it had to due with the upright five star pentacle of Wicca and my God and Goddess of said faith.

Monday morning after a flood of fame and celebrity fans stopping by my table to wish me well. Tracy came up to table as well and laughingly said to me “Oh too bad.” and walked by.

Something took hold of me that second, something outside of me, some power or force. Mixed with my anger at what they had done to my friends and to myself. I was sick and tired of their psychological games, sick and tired of their dark magic. Something beyond me took hold an came over me. I went to class for my exams (had two that day) After taking my exams stayed on campus and just started to walk around. As you know I.U is pretty large campus. There I was simply walking around after exams sight seeing all the other building in which I didn’t have class even wondering the halls. I have no logical reason why what happened happened next for that day. I did not have a clue “she was still on campus or where.. But in my strolling I’d stop outside the door of class as if some force stopped me there and just then Tracy exited the class and we’d literally run into each other face to face. LOL

It happened once, (which I chalked up to random chance) then later again and then later again but the fourth time she turned the corner into the stairway just as I was coming up the same stairway and stepped on the same landing as her. By the fourth time I simply smiled and waved and by this time there was panic and fear on her face and shout. “Leave me me alone!” By 6pm I had finished my last exam for the day and headed out across the parking lot to my car (I U has about 20,000 students any given day the parking lots are everywhere) I made my way to my car and was putting the key into the door. Just then I looked up to see Tracy walking to next car over parked side by side my own. It was her car. Our eyes met and she was over come with fright to the moment she stopped dead in her tracks. I leaned over picked up a stone out of the gravel parking lot and again totally against my nature walked over to her car and put it on the hood of her car. Smiled grinning ear to ear simply said in manor totally alien to my nature. “Don’t try it again. Tell your friends this not a magical war they can win.” Just then as if on cue as I set the single stone into place in the middle of her hood as if on cue a clear blue sky day of May a sudden gust of wind arose and whipped her waist long hair against her face literally wrapping around her neck as if a live (she was standing 20 feet from me in the middle of the driveway of the parking lot, I was no where near her). She had to reach up and pull it off and when she did there was shear and total fright and panic she ran from the parking lot dropping several of her books along the way. I simply walked to my car got in and drove off.. It wasn’t half way into the drive home that FELT this presence this Force lift and leave me and I was back to my old self.

To this day It sill gives me chills of what came over me for that day. I do believe it was the power the Goddess and God I worship as Pagan/Wiccan/Witch the true power of Witchcraft and Sorcery. It was that power that protected me in the Elevator, it was power raised by my Wiccan/Pagan friends when we called it in Ritual Circle. And it was that Power and Force or entity which made it a point that day to confront Tracy Eye to Eye five times and warn her off. I still grapple with philosophical and theological implications of its existence, yet I believe its an innate power found within all of us. Magical and non Magical every man women and child posses it A slumbering Dragon of power within all of us. A power people such as the Illuminati, O.T.O and dark sorcerers of the occult world know well about, A power the Shamans, and Witches of Old knew well about. An a power that the Elite the PTB want to keep humanity blind too from using for they wanted it all to themselves and have programmed humanity to fear it to reject it, while they in dark magic’s use constantly to enslave us in their Matrix of illusion. It is a tool and thus is only made evil or dark in the hands of thus that know to use it for their dark agenda. Yet, in the hands of others could be used to Heal and build may infect be a hidden power of Humanity itself and could be used to raise the consciousness of humanity to the next level of existence.. Transformation.

In the fall of 1989 Fall Semester I never encountered Tracy again but did one professor of her group. A 20 year tenure professor btw. Who saw me sitting at my table in the student lounge by Fall I had completely forget about starting the PSU, working hard and fast on getting my first degree and doing activist work for several Environmental Orgs I belonged to. None the less he did come up to me and out right apologized for “Magical Battle” and opposing the PSU telling me that several of their group as well had suffered several un explainable events over the summer and that Tracy would not be returning to the campus. He offered me his hand for a handshake of truce. But I simply looked up at him over the rim of my glasses and accepted his apology without the handshake. Thus ended my encounter with an O.T.O group and my first magical sorcerers battle.

I’m sure most of you reading this will say to yourself NO WAY is this true, Shady’s waving just another long webbed tall tail. *grin* If it makes you sleep any sounder tonight be my guest people and believe that.

But the fact is there are things going on in the occult world the Pagan/Wiccan and Occultist circles that would make this tale seem like Jack and Jill childhood tale. There is such a thing as Magic, Witchcraft and Sorcery. An any deep student of, the there of when we look at the events the symbolism and metaphors of such events as 911 and many others. We can see the hallmarks of Ritual Magick, Occultic Belief and practices fingerprints all over it! As numerous as the finger prints on the handle of door to your local store or gas station.

The Henry Decaons, Dan Burisch’s and other of MAJESTIC tell you without pause that behind the stage curtains that the Elite and PTB practice and believe in ritual magic. Metaphysics and the Esoteric and do somewhat gain their own power from it. Keep in mind they are the decedents of elitist families of the middle ages that would often burn sorcerers, witches and occultists at the stake in order to posses that TOOL for themselves and their agenda. Instead of having the rest of humanity know of it. They guard their secrets well to this day. Do they not?


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A further update
from 'Henry Deacon'

1) For Henry's background and for a transcript of our first interview, please click here.
2) A few months later, we published this update, which was a compilation of further information from ongoing communications we had received.
Both should ideally be read carefully before studying the further compilation which follows here.

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Our last communication from Henry was on 30 March, 2007. Since then he has been totally silent, despite all our efforts to re-establish contact. Prior to his last communication, he had told us that he was being 'coerced', and that he feared he might be obliged to cease communication with us.
Although he was very careful (and sometimes enigmatically so) with his messages – which reached us through a variety of sometimes very creative means – he was also under no illusions about the capacities of some agencies to monitor information; see below for details.

We continue to regard Henry as a good friend whom we’d grown to greatly admire and trust. We miss his wry messages, his sparkling humor, and his strong principles and values. Wherever he is and whatever he is doing now, we hope he is safe, and wish him well. We assume that if he's still alive he'll be reading this page. Henry, we miss the lassi! It just wouldn't be the same without you.
What follows is a further compilation of information of interest. Although some of it is literally incredible, we believe he has always told us the truth.
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Monitoring
Henry warned us that there exists advanced technology that can monitor conversations even in the outdoors. He told us that satellite lasers now have the capacity to pick up vibrations on a person's clothing. Monitoring speech vibrations from a glass window pane is elementary, and is older technology.

This is important for us all to understand: bugs no longer need to be physically planted in someone's apartment. Cellphones can also be activated to relay conversations, even when switched off; the only true safeguard is to remove the battery. Our conversations can be heard almost anywhere, at any time.. if the agencies choose to listen in.
9/11
Henry told us that besides knowing way beforehand that something like this was planned (see his first interview), he’d been briefed about it in detail a few hours before it happened in his place of work at the time. The briefing took place with a group of other employees. He reported being shocked not only at the low-key way it was announced, but at the comparative apparent lack of reaction of many of his colleagues.

We are of course under no illusions about the importance of this. Five years after the event, Henry may be the first insider to come forward with confirmation that 9/11 was an inside job.
Further details:
• The planes that hit the twin towers were remotely controlled (over-riding the pilots, and with software modifications that would permit tight turns that would normally be impossible due to autopilot default limit settings). The remote control was enacted from thousands of miles away.

• The plane that hit the Pentagon was a small, remotely piloted Navy jet. A full-sized Boeing 757 could not have been used because the aerodynamic ground effects would have prevented it coming in so low at full speed without it having to slow right down as if to land.

• The well-publicized cellphone calls were fabricated.

• He also thought that control over Flight 93, which either crashed or was shot down over Pennsylvania, had been lost, and that that part of the plan had gone wrong (there had been another targeted building, but he did not know which one).

• When we asked what had happened to the passengers and the plane of Flight 77 (the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon), he replied that he did not know.

• Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with any of it apart from the fact that he was a USG asset.

He told us that that was all he knew.
Multiple timelines
We received this e-mail message from Henry in February 2007. We reproduce it here in its entirety.
Do we exist on multiple timelines? Your reality, in one way, depends upon "your" perceptions, awareness, selections... from a vast ocean of "probabilities"... but this is only an extremely limited model to work with in an attempt to conceptualize an answer. The English language alone does not accommodate for communicating an answer to this question. Most humans in today's Earth-bound world cannot grasp an answer to this question due to lack of exposure to other aspects of "reality". The question itself is not complete, again, due to the constraints inherent in most world languages (the languages being at best, related to four dimensions) (or on the other hand, utilizing "time" as a part of the language(s) ) and possible non-exposure to other reality sets, by the person attempting to ask and to understand the nature of so-called timelines, etc. The concept of timelines is only a model attempting to explain what cannot be explained in "words" here. There ARE other communication modalities available to us here, which can aid in understanding certain concepts. Explain colors to a person who has never had sight. Explain this world, as you know it, to an unborn child, who has active senses, but yet to put them to use in our "world". Remember the story of the Flatlanders - or even Sphereland? At this moment, the focus should be on waking the people .... preparing them for a "reality" shockwave... to minimize suffering. Best Wishes.
Stargates
Regarding Montauk, Henry said that most of Al Bielek’s information is correct. There are apparently several kinds of stargate, notably: (a) the kind where you step through a portal and leave the device behind, and (b) the kind where you take the device with you.

The latter he said was a bit like “Think about where you want to go, and you’re there.” The mental interface is significant, apparently. He confirmed that as far as he knew Dan Burisch’s information about stargates was 95% correct, but the missing 5% was that he had no knowledge of the large-scale Looking Glass Dan described. (We showed him Dan?s diagrams and also Bill Hamilton?s source?s text.) Henry emphasized that this didn’t mean they didn’t exist, because there was so much compartmentalization – but simply that he had no knowledge or experience of those devices.

We showed him Dan's diagrams in person. We watched him while he examined them carefully. Then he suddenly said: “Did he tell you about the one in Iraq?” We asked him whether had he not heard that part of Dan's interview. Henry told us that he’d not finished watching the videos. We asked him what he knew. He said the Iraq stargate was what the Iraq war was really all about, that its location was one of the biggest secrets, and that the war was at least partially about control of it. We asked him how he knew all this – did he read it in a briefing document? No, he said, not a briefing document. The only thing he would say was that it was "first-hand knowledge".
The distant future
Henry told us that in approximately 6,000 years time the Earth will be practically barren, and there will be an attempt to repopulate it. He said that large numbers of children have been abducted from the present and taken to the future Earth, because their genome is undamaged. (In future history the imminent catastrophe significantly damages the human genome.)
He also confirmed that somewhat later than 52,000 years time, the Looking Glass data seems to go blank and no further information is accessible. This is is exactly what was stated by Dan Burisch. (This information was given in a meeting. Henry finished the sentence for us as we were asking the question.)

(Note: Henry clearly confirmed the existence of "Looking Glass" devices which could "see" into the future, or into possible futures. It was the details of the type of technology described by Dan Burisch (see this page) which Henry was unable to confirm personally.)

Henry told us that he had thought that there was some kind of barrier in place which meant that future humans were only able to visit us at certain intervals of about 6,000 years. He stressed that he didn't know much about this. Interestingly, a quick calculation shows that concerning the two principal dates frequently referenced by Dan Burisch, 45,000 = 7 x 6,500 and 52,000 = 8 x 6,500. This struck us as potentially significant. We had wondered about why there had not been visiting future humans from the intermediate periods of 46,000, 47,000, 48,000 (and so on) years in the future. Henry seemed to be offering one explanation.

Incredibly and significantly, it seems that the Mayans (whose famously accurate calendar ends in the year 2012) apparently had access to information left to them by visiting time travelers.
An environmental threat
Henry very much wanted to visit Egypt. He was quite anxious about it, and told us it was a problem. When we asked why, he said that there was very little remaining time in which to travel there. We pressed him for a reason, and he responded that it was not connected with war or politics. We pressed him further, and he eventually said simply: "an environmental threat". He refused to elaborate, nor would he reveal how it was he had access to this information.
Underground and undersea bases
Henry confirmed that many undersea bases exist.
Chaotic resonating circuits
Henry elaborated on the chaotic resonating circuits he mentioned in our first interview. He confirmed that they were relatively cheap and easy to make, and that the information, in segmented pieces, had been fairly widely available in a certain academic community in the 1970s. He had retained no records of the circuit diagrams, but intriguingly he said he was 80% confident that he would be able to locate them if he spent time searching public domain records in a particular University library. We know the location but for understandable reasons are not revealing it at this time.
Important contacts
Henry on several occasions referenced and strongly recommended the work of Bernard Pietsch, Stan Tenen, and Richard Hoagland. He maintained that Pietsch knew everything there was to know about the Great Pyramid; that Tenen was an inspired genius; and that Hoagland knew a very great deal of accurate information about the solar system.
Mars
The story appears to be extremely complex, and that may be an understatement. Henry fed us snippets on an intermittent basis. These were sometimes very enigmatic. What we were able to gather together was this:

• Henry told us that the Mars base has a large population: 670,000 as of a few years ago. This seemed a huge number to us. We asked if these were all human. "It depends what you mean by human", came the reply.

The base has been in existence for an extremely long time ("tens of thousands of years"), and its population has waxed and waned over the centuries. It lies "at the bottom of an ancient seabed". It is "not far" from the location of this NASA photo, taken by the 1976 Viking 2 lander on Mars' expansive Utopia Planitia ("Nowhere Plain", sometimes referred to as "Utopian Plain").

• Henry stated that the most recent NASA images, discrediting the notion of a "Face on Mars", have been doctored, as have the colors of the Martian sky on most officially released NASA photos. (It is apparently more blue than we are permitted to believe.)

• The Anunnaki are one part of the mix. Henry referred to them a number of times as being operational in present time. He said that they originated from another star system, but he could not remember where. The Anunnaki is our name for them, and they are the same race referenced and described in Zecharia Sitchin's work.

The Anunnaki themselves are split into a number of factions, some of which are friendly, and others not. (Skipping...). Other factions of the Anunnaki sought to prevent this. Such was the extreme nature of this piece of information that (in conversation) Henry was obliged to make repeated oblique references to it before we finally grasped what he was trying to tell us.

Click on the image on the right to read a screen shot of an e-mail we received which conveyed a very small part of this story. Note Henry's emphasis on the word "appears" (typical of his cautious and exact approach), and the typo in "Sumerian". The e-mail is presented exactly as received.

• Transport is by two means: stargates for personnel and small items, spacecraft for larger items of freight. The alternative fleet is codenamed SOLAR WARDEN.

We had first heard of this from another source, and queried Henry about the codename. We sent him two separate messages, each simply of one word: SOLAR, and then WARDEN. We offered no context, or reason for our communication.

The reply came immediately in three e-mails, each from a different address. The first said MARS, the second said ALTERNATIVE, and the third had as its subject "Not listed here" and gave this URL as its only content. We were impressed.

• Most controversially, Henry gave several hints, on separate occasions, that he had been to Mars himself. The first occasion was in conversation, when he was talking about the base. We impulsively asked him if he had been there.

There was a very long pause. Eventually he smiled and said: “I played a lot of ping-pong and watched a lot of TV”. He repeated this obscure allusion later on two further occasions. Every way he referred to the base was consistent with his having visited it personally.

Later, in separate conversation, he said that a journey through a stargate was "instantaneous", and he gave the impression that the experience of the stargate transition was at once disorienting and exhilarating. He described the appearance of a manmade stargate as a featureless gray surface. Natural stargates, he said, have a different appearance which is much harder to detect.

He appeared to agree with us strongly when we remarked that the prime protection of claims of this nature was their sheer unbelievability.

We have withheld this part of Henry's story thus far because of the obvious risk that this may appear to discredit him in the eyes of some. Intellectual honesty compels us to report this, now that Henry appears to have been silenced.

2 May, 2007
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what is your source Dex..

Link please


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Laurence Translation, WIZARDS BOOKSHELF SAN DIEGO 1995 P. 78

"Chapter LXIV

1. In those days Noah saw that the earth became inclined, and that destruction approached."

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Uncle John here: I just want everybody to know that I'm on the job.

I just awoke from one of the funniest dreams I've ever had.

I asked to open a channel to the other side.

It is now open.

Disclosure is at hand.

Not what you thought, for sure.

Only love can fill, but where is the service guy?


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Uncle John here: This is going to be a long strange trip, for sure.

"In love, humility and service

We surrender to you

To you alone

And you raise us up in spirituality"

My God, look at all the service calls that need to be done!


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UJ, what are you talking about so cryptically? Have you received a visit from a cherubim?

I agree about "service calls"; there's a great need for them out here. Down here. Over here.

Shady, that's an amazing account. Why didn't you do anything with the list of names of OTO-connected professors and faculty? It's a stretch of credulity but not impossible for people like that to have accepted you into their ranks even so briefly, so shortly after having engineered a 'psy-op' on you.

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I found this snip from John Lear's interview by Kerry (and Bill) last August to be quite interesting:

.......[snip]
K: Now, why do you think you’re left alone? Why do you think you know so much, number one. And why do you think that the government leaves you alone?

J: They don't bother anybody with second hand information. They got Phil because he was there and I will forever rue the day for not giving Phil Schneider enough attention, because he was right here, he sat right here and told me his story. And it’s not that I didn’t believe it. It’s that, you know, it’s yeah, well, maybe, you know. And it’s too bad because he did have the story and I wish I had given him more time than I did. And that happened with another person I didn’t give that much attention to: Uhouse, Bill Uhouse. He came here years ago and told me all that stuff. And there’s a guy I didn’t believe until later when that, what’s his name? The S-4 guy?...

K: You’re talking about Dan?

J: Dan!... until I sat here and watched two or three hours of the tapes, and, I thought, you know, that guy’s been there. Nobody can make that stuff up.

K: No.

Dan Burisch

J: The Dan Burisch story is simple but it’s complex. He was there. He did work there. I listened to George Knapp the other day. I read his stuff on ATS and he is so down on Dan Burisch. It’s unfortunate.

K: Did you see my interview with Dan? I just did an interview with him. It’s posted right now. You should take a look at it. It’s actually almost two and a half hours of intense testimony.

J: .... describe Area 51 and S-4. There’s no question in mind that he was there. But there’s something that’s happening to Dan, something they’re doing with him, and it all fits into Project Serpo.

K: You think so?

J: I think that, you know, it’s a big long-range disinformation program. But the bottom line is Burisch was up there, he worked up there, and it’s really interesting. It’s too bad people, you know, when they look at these stories, it’s either right or it’s wrong.

K: Right.

J; You can’t know that there’s some parts that are correct and some parts can be disinformation.

K: Exactly...


.......[end snip]

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WARNING GRAPHIC FOOTAGE From the moment JFK died.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OcDLpfBti8Q

Hey Danny perhps they should rename this piece.. "From Majestic Twelve with Love." and send it to your bosses.. --- you murdering bastards on Majestic Twelve .

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Aol On-line Poll Results:

Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone?

No 81%
Yes 11%
I'm not sure 8%

As of this posting Total Votes 18,481

Kennedy Lone Gunman Theory Challenged
By David Morgan

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WASHINGTON (May 18) - Bullet analysis used to justify the lone assassin theory behind President John F. Kennedy's assassination is based on flawed evidence, according to a team of researchers including a former top FBI scientist.

Writing in the Annals of Applied Statistics, the researchers urged a reexamination of bullet fragments from the 1963 shooting in Dallas to confirm the number of bullets that struck Kennedy.

Official investigations during the 1960s concluded that Kennedy was hit by two bullets fired by Lee Harvey Oswald.

But the researchers, including former FBI lab metallurgist William Tobin, said new chemical and statistical analyses of bullets from the same batch used by Oswald suggest that more than two bullets could have struck the president.

"Evidence used to rule out a second assassin is fundamentally flawed," the researchers said in their article.

"If the assassination (bullet) fragments are derived from three or more separate bullets, then a second assassin is likely."

The Kennedy assassination set off a whirlwind of theories about who killed the 46-year-old president.

The President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, known unofficially as the Warren Commission, concluded in 1964 that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, fired three shots, one of which missed the president's car. There have been many challenges to its conclusions over the years.

The House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that Oswald was probably part of a conspiracy that could have included a second gunman who fired but missed Kennedy.

The panel's supporting evidence was a bullet analysis that said fragments collected from the site were too similar to be from more than two slugs.

But the latest report found that many bullets from the same batch used by Oswald had a similar composition.

"Further, we found that one of the thirty bullets analyzed in our study also compositionally matched one of the fragments from the assassination," the article said.

"This finding means that the bullet fragments from the assassination that match could have come from three or more separate bullets."


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Dondep wrote:
UJ, what are you talking about so cryptically? Have you received a visit from a cherubim?

I agree about "service calls"; there's a great need for them out here. Down here. Over here.


Uncle John here: What I'm working with is a lot more powerful than a cherubim.

Grace and being in a state of grace are key to this experience.

I just want to say thanks to the universe for what I'm experiencing.

God willing, I'm enough of a person to handle this.


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reading Sned's says --

Too bad DB can't talk more plainly without all the prententious BS. What is he talkig about? who cares what he thinks? who does he think cares what he thinks? sheesh.

I still feel sorry for tif + vic.


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Hi Dex,
Thanks for the article. I appreciated the following quote:

On Sunday, May 13, 2007, at 04:07 PM, Dex wrote:

"The 'NWO' is going to be God's Millennial Kingdom, as has been
prophesied all along. People have not been paying attention. Getting
over our materialistic understanding of the world will be the major
step in this direction. The Kingdom is already within each of us. With
the proper understanding of the nature of reality, the Kingdom will
naturally expand outward from each of us. It might be another hundred
years before even the skeptics can no longer deny the results. The
imminent paradigm shift is the straw that will break the back of our
intransigence."
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UJ

A guy that makes those kind of statements and you think they're evil..Why?
We'll never have the necessary unity with this kind of division in thinking.

Too long drawn out dickering. It could take a millennium.
Of like mind and heart's, Instead, I guess that's why there's a plucking out in the fields.

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UncleJohn wrote:
Uncle John here: I just want everybody to know that I'm on the job.

I just awoke from one of the funniest dreams I've ever had.

I asked to open a channel to the other side.

It is now open.

Disclosure is at hand.

Not what you thought, for sure.

Only love can fill, but where is the service guy?


About Disclosure..

What is your thought on what we think? How does your thinking differ?

Dex


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