this is a post I made an hour or so -- before the "forumer" forum was locked.....
itis actually a cross post from Hidden Mission...

(I have condensed it a bit-- the original post is here:
http://keithlaney.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=5787

REGARDING ANOTHER "PROJECT CAMELOT"







this last statement I believe is almost exactly the logic Ryan and Kerry used to justify their "presenting" a medium for these so-called whistle blowers to get their messages out to the public and that it was not their job to determine if they were "real" or not -- they were merely a conduit.
that was up to the listener to decide.

IMHO - BS!

this mimics the concepts behind the original "Project Camelot" almost exactly..... it is propaganda -- and "psychological warfare"

Uncle John here: What's more interesting to me is the ET control of humans. They've got pattern matching dan wrapped around their fingers while he is ignoring the important stuff.

A bit off our mainstream focus, but those who do not know and understand the importantance of the following facts are living in a Legal, Political and Historical Disneyland.

Frog

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Subject: Cgus> Our 'Countries' have been Declared Bankrupt since the 1930s; We have been Declared to be Legal Fictitions & Slaves
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:35:34 +0000
From: Charles Bruce, Stewart <charles>

To: Cgus> <generalassembly>, CCLNews> <news>, Conspiracy> <conspiracywatch>

CC: TLSTAR@webtv.net



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Fwd: Our 'countries' have been officially bankrupt since the 1930s We Are All Fictitious Entities
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:43:20 -0700
From: TLSTAR@webtv.net (LOUIS WHISPELL)

To:

Subject:
Our 'countries' have been officially bankrupt since the 1930s We Are All Fictitious Entities
From:
Jack Lancaster <jacklancaster>

Date:
Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:09:13 -0700 (PDT)

Okay, let's cut straight to the chase. Our 'countries' have been officially bankrupt since the 1930s and you are paying taxes, going to court, and applying for licences on behalf of a fictitious entity that does not exist, except in theory.

Oh yes, and the government is not a government, it is a private corporation. I don't remember hearing any of this on the television 'news'.

Some explanation:

1.) The bankruptcy

In the 1930s the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and many others, officially declared bankruptcy to the international banks, but didn't tell the people. According to researchers into these matters, this was agreed during the years of the Geneva Conventions in Switzerland between 1928 and 1932. It would appear, however, that the documents containing the details of the bankruptcy declarations have never been made public.



The banking system

The cause of the financial collapse was the First World War followed by the Great Depression and the Illuminati banks refused to loan any more 'money' to governments (private corporations) to spend their way out of the slump. Of course, banks don't lend 'money' to anyone, only figures on a screen, and these 'countries' could have created their own currency. But the 'governments' are controlled by the same people that control the banks and so this doesn't happen.

The bankers said they would only loan more 'money' if the governments/corporations declared official bankruptcy to the banks. This was agreed and from that time these 'countries' have been owned by the banks. When people ask, quite rightly, where all their tax money goes when services are so poor, the answer is that much of it goes to the banks to service the bankruptcy.

The 'Free World'

In the United States Congressional Record of March 17th 1993 (Vol. 33, page H-1303). James Traficant Jr of Ohio told the House:

Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any Bankrupt entity in world history, the US Government. We are setting forth hopefully, a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroner's report that will lead to our demise.

It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent - H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress session June 5, 1933 Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: 'The US Secretary of! Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States'

Why are 90% of Americans mortgaged to the hilt and have little or no assets after all debts and liabilities have been paid? Why does it feel like you are working harder and harder and getting less and less? We are reaping what has been sown, and the results of our harvest is a painful bankruptcy, and a foreclosure on American property, precious liberties, and a way of life. Few of our elected representatives in Washington DC have dared to tell the truth. The federal United States is bankrupt. Our children will inherit this un-payable debt, and the tyranny to enforce paying it."

Traficant ... had the guts to speak the truth about the bankruptcy scam and much more

James Traficant was later jailed for alleged bribery and corruption because he was getting too close to the truth on many issues affecting the Illuminati agenda. He was also a maverick who was prepared to say what he thought. Here is a letter he sent from prison ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/924087/posts

2.) 'Governments' Are Private Corporations

I will focus on the example of the United States, but pretty much the same situation exists in Britain and elsewhere. The United States corporation was created behind the screen of a 'Federal Government' when, after the manufactured 'victory' in the American War of 'Independence', the British colonies exchanged overt dictatorship from London with the far more effective covert dictatorship that has been in place ever since. In effect, the Virginia Company, the corporation headed by the British Crown that controlled the 'former' colonies, simply changed its name to the United States and other related pseudonyms. These include, the US, USA, United States of America, Washington DC, District of Columbia, Federal Government and the 'Feds'.

The District of Colombia, home of the United States Corporation that most of the world thinks is a government decided by the people.

The United States Corporation is based in the District of Columbia (Columbia = Queen Semiramis, the goddess of Babylon) and the current president of the corporation is a man called George W. Bush. He is not the president of the people or the country as we are led to believe, that's just what they want us to think. Therefore, Bush launched a 'war on terrorism' on behalf of a private corporation to further the goals of that corporation. It had nothing to do with 'America' or 'Americans' because these are very different legal entities. It is the United States Corporation that owns the United States military and everything else that comes under the term 'federal'.

The Federal Reserve - the private bank that funds the private corporation known as the United States 'Government'

This includes the Federal Reserve, the 'central bank' of the United States, which is, in reality, a private bank owned by controlling stockholders (and controllers of the US Corporation) that are not even American. 'The Fed' is the bank from which the United States Corporation borrows 'money'. The Federal Reserve was manipulated into existence in 1913 and dictates the United States interest rate that has a massive knock-on effect for the rest of the world.



Greenspan ... Illuminati man

The long-time head of the Federal Reserve or 'Fed' until this year was Alan Greenspan, a member of Illuminati front organisations like the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. His predecessor was Paul W. Volker of ... the Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. The new Fed chairman, Ben Shalom Bernanke, is another agenda place man because, if he wasn't, he wouldn't be there. The United States Corporation is owned by families and forces in Europe and the Jesuit-controlled Vatican is very much a part of this covert ownership of, not only the United States, but major European 'countries' like the United Kingdom also.

The privately owned corporation known as the United States is the holding company, if you like, and the 50 states are its subsidiaries. This means that these states also declared bankruptcy, or had it declared for them by the holding company, the 'Federal Government', but the people never knew and still don't.

You can get the detail about this elsewhere and I am only summarising the situation to give people an idea of how deep this conspiracy really goes.

3.) Straw 'People'



The 'real' you, on the level of the living, breathing, free sovereign 'you', operates under Common Law. This is defined as: 'The unwritten law developed primarily from judicial case decisions based on custom and precedent. It developed in England and constitutes the basis for the legal systems of most of the states in the United States.' (http://www.kellyinsurance.com/glossary/ ... ssary.html)

The government/corporation system controls, not through Common Law, but Admiralty Law, which is known in the United States as the Uniform Commercial Code. This is the law of contracts and to entrap us they have to get us to contract with them, even though they don't tell us we are doing so.

The sting has been set up so that when you register with the 'Federal Government' in any way by accepting a Social Security number, driver's licence, or any of the other official federal documents, you are, unknowingly, agreeing to become an asset-employee of the 'government' corporation. From that moment you become responsible for financing the corporation's state of bankruptcy. When you pay taxes or a court or parking fine and such like, you are servicing the bankruptcy by paying that money to 'government' agencies that are nothing more than debt-collecting agencies for the creditor banks.



'I clocked you at 100 miles an hour ... now make the cheque out to Chase Manhattan ...'

They enslave the people in their law of contracts by creating a fictional entity using our names written in all upper case. When we are born they use the birth certificate to form an account in trust and create the fictional upper case entity or 'straw man'. Black's Law 6th Edition defines a straw man as:

'A front; a third party who is put up in name only to take part in a transaction. Nominal party to a transaction; one who acts as an agent for another for the purpose of taking title to real property and executing whatever documents and instruments the principle may direct respecting the property. Person who purchases property for another to conceal identity of real purchaser, or to accomplish some other purpose otherwise not allowed.'

Another definition is: "a man of straw, one of no substance, put forward as bail or surety."

The definition of surety is:

'One who has contracted himself to be answerable for the debt, default, or miscarriage of another ... One who undertakes to pay money or perform other acts in the event that his principal fails to do so; the surety is directly and immediately liable for the debt..'

So this is the way the fraud is played. They create a fictitious 'straw man' trust at birth and the trust uses the newly born's name in all uppercase. If the free sovereign is called, say, john bloggs - all lower case - the trust is called JOHN BLOGGS.

Look at the documents we receive from taxation offices, any government department, banks, courts, police and so on. Look at your passport. Invariably they will spell your name in all uppercase because these organisations are operating under commercial law and only have jurisdiction over commercial entities - i.e. the upper case trusts. They have no jurisdiction under Common Law over 'you', the living, breathing, free sovereign.



Uppercase documents that contract us with the corporation (government) to stand surety for the 'straw man' trust

What they do is trick us into standing surety for the trust and becoming liable for its commercial operations and debts. This is done by us signing their documents, applying for licences and in countless other ways.

I have asked lawyers, court clerks and police officers why they always use our names in uppercase. They had no idea. The overwhelming majority of those working for the system are ignorant of what they are administering and enforcing. That's how the Illuminati work throughout what we call 'society'.

4.) The Gold Fringe Fraud

The US court system operates under corporate law or the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) - to administer the bankruptcy and fleece the sheep to pay back the ongoing debt. The UCC is also known as British Admiralty or Maritime (military) Law and this is why the American flag always has a gold fringe when displayed in the courts of the United States. You will find the same in government buildings and federally-funded schools.



Under the Admiralty Law of Flags, the flag displayed gives notice of the law under which the 'ship' (in this case the court or any other building) is regulated. Anyone entering that 'ship' (court) accepts by doing so that they are submitting to the law indicated by that flag. The gold fringe is a legal symbol indicating that the court is sitting under British Maritime Law and the Uniform Commercial Code - military and merchant law not common or constitutional law. Judges refuse to replace the flag with one without a fringe when asked by defendants who know the score because that changes the law under which the court is sitting.



US courts sit under the gold-fringed jurisdiction of Admiralty - military - law

If you appear in a court with a gold-fringed flag your constitutional rights are suspended and you are being tried under British Maritime (military/merchant) Law. The Uniform Commercial Code was approved by the American Bar Association, which is a franchise, a subordinate branch, of the British legal system and its hierarchy based in London's Temple district (named after the Illuminati Knights Templar secret society).



George W. Bush launched a 'war on terrorism' on behalf of a private corporation to further the goals of that corporation. Note how US troops, as here in Iraq, wear the flag with the gold fringe on their uniforms, indicating that they are representing Admiralty Law - the law of corporate contracts. They are there to serve the US private corporation and not a government representing the people. Note also that the stars are on the opposite side of the flag - this is the reverse symbolism of Illuminati Satanism, as with the classic Satanic symbol of the reversed pentagram.



By the way, if you think it is strange that a court on dry land could be administered under Maritime Law, look at US Code, Title 18 B 7. It says that Admiralty Jurisdiction is applicable in the following locations:

(1) the high seas.

(2) any American ship.

(3) any lands reserved or acquired for the use of the United States, and under the exclusive or concurrent jurisdiction thereof, or any place purchased or otherwise acquired by the United States by consent of the legislature of the state. In other words, mainland America.

All this is founded on Roman law because the Illuminati have been playing this same game throughout the centuries wherever they have gone. The leading politicians know that this is how things are and so do the major government administrators, judges. lawyers and insider 'journalists'.

As I have been writing for many years, the power that controls America is based in Britain and Europe (very much including the Vatican, the relocated Church of Babylon) because that is where the power is centred that owns the United States Corporation.



A sailing ship and the US Supreme Court. They are one and the same under Admiralty - gold-fringed - law

Those who realise what is happening and ask the court for the name of the true creditor or recipients of the fines imposed by the 'legal system' are always refused this information by the judge. The true creditors in such cases, and the ultimate recipient of the fines, are the bankers to which the corporation 'country' is bankrupt. More and more people in the United States are refusing to register in any way with the Federal Government, as news and documentation of this bizarre situation continues to circulate.

If the authorities can keep this fantastic deceit from the mass of the people all this time, you can appreciate why they were confident they could ensure that what really happened on September 11th stays comfortably under wraps.



Bush ... US Corporation President ... yes, Georgie, our thoughts entirely

There are people and organisations set up to help people free themselves from this web of deceit. Some have had significant success, while others have got themselves into serious trouble by not knowing the system well enough.

If you are going to take on the 'straw man' system you really need to know your stuff, or someone guiding you does, because every word has legal meaning and many words have meanings that are not apparent in their normal every day usage. Also, the location where you speak to people, whether you shake their hand, and other 'contractual acceptances', are traps to tie you up in 'straw man' law.

Here is a video presentation explaining the Illuminati world of contract law. It's called the Occult World of Commerce.

Click here to watch...

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Below are a series of videos telling the story of what happened when Irene, a lady in Canada, took on the 'straw man' system that sought to confiscate her house, even though she produced the proof that her payments were up to date.

The story is told in four parts. The first one to watch is the 'must see' of April 26th when the authorities sought to confiscate her home by changing the locks with an 'order' not signed by a judge. After that, see the three parts of the 45 minute video that continue the story.

When you hear Irene talking about being the 'agent' of the name, she is referring to her name in all uppercase, which she is refusing to acknowledge is her. As she says:

'Know this to be true; claim your Common Law jurisdiction which has general jurisdiction as 'they', the courts of the world, have limited jurisdiction! No one has the right to change the locks on your home, no one has the right to proceed with foreclosure on your home, understand the simplicity of contract law; offer and acceptance. Do you accept or reject the contract? Learn to say, "No, thank you".'

Click here ... http://www.divergentfilms.com/

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What is the 'gold-fringed flag' we see displayed upon a flagstaff in Government buildings, in courts, in our churches, and in our legislators' offices?



http://www.geocities.com/tthor.geo/840-10.html

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The Biggest Scam - the Federal Reserve



Read more ... http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/FEDERALRESERVE.HTML

Thanks for the corrections Starryeyes...
DonD

What happened to the Ganesh particle picture that was on the Dan B. updates or was it a page at the library?
Can you send it to me?

Edited..

Hi All ..

Greetings from Oz( which is NOT Las Vegas)

Just some corrections for poor ole shady ..

Who just cant seem to get his speculations together .. sigh ..

Now ...this Isnt the first time you've tried the "Ganesh is Dan Burisch"
blather .. or the "Nodstar is Dan Burish" nonsense ..

Theres an old saying .. ''Assumption is the mother of all farrk ups"....

You should probably keep that in mind before you go shooting your mouth off .. would save you heaps of embarassment ..

BTW.. Ganesh ( who is not Dan..) is in no way a LITTLE person ..

He is rather large at 6 ft 6 ins and and a size 13 and half shoe ...

We refer to him as BIGFOOOT ..

Have a nice Day ..
Nodstar

Edited..

What a fantastic post SE. What amazes me is why the seemingly intelligent people around you here do not assist in your line of investigation and instead prefer to wait for their next conspiracy crumb and use their time investigating that instead. There are many who do not believe the B&K and D&M 'game'. I hope your find goes far and wide.

Edited..

thank you guest -- it is nice to know that someone is reading my posts on propaganda techniques.....

what we seem to be experiencing looks like textbook operations IMHO.

I tried to register at OM forum today to ask about the reference to the Project Camelot of the 60's but I have to wait for some sort of "staff aproval"... I may not get to post my questions. I would rather like to ask Dan Smith a few Q's too as he seems to read over there.


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the snip below is interesting as we still believe that the driver of the white van that had us under surveillance was connected to McDill AFB











PSY-OP in practice - Also sounds sadly familiar..

Dex - I had an entire thread on the subject back in the OLD active mind -- and repeated bits on "Former" - I will try regather the info and repost it

basically I think they are trying to control the UFO stories and memes just as the PSY-OPs mentioned above did.

they are trying to create a controling filter to unify all the various psy-ops created....

Did you never read any of my earlier posts over the last year that addressed this issue?

To Shady;

Apparently "Guest" posted a very good summary of Norio's visit to Dulce. Sandy and I also attended the Aztec UFO conference, but unfortunately never met the individuals from Dulce that Norio did. Never-the -less, we did take a drive to Dulce to check on several issues addressed from your Google Earth photos.

First, it is an eighty mile drive, one way, to Dulce from Aztec. I had originally pictured Dulce as a small town sprawled across a flat desert expanse. Much to our surprise it is a very picturesque town in a verdant valley surrounded by several high Mesa plateau's.

Sandy and I took a couple of hundred photos of the area paying particular attention to the buildings the satellite photos revealed as blue and copper.
All the buildings in question were new elementary schools with blue colored or painted curragated looking panels, as were many other municiple buildings and homes. In harsh winter elements, you find a lot of metal roofed buildings. The copper colored building (roof) was a high school. Other large buildings were a health care center and large elementary school complex, two as a matter of fact.

Norio seems to be right in where the money comes from to build these facilities, which seem to be the largest and most modern in Dulce.

A great part of Dulce is associated with the Apache Indians.

There is a Best Western Hotel in town that has a small casino inside, maybe 100+ slot machines, but nothing that could support the economy of Dulce to pay for the schools.

Driving from Aztec to Dulce revealed, what appeared to be many Natural Gas fields, pumping stations, etc. They seem to be the main economy in the area as well as in Aztec, and adjoining municipalities.

We never saw what would appear to be government buildings or office complexes. We never saw what might appear to be government type vehiles, trucks, SUVs, or other support vehicles, not that they could not be there, just in the short visit we had, we did not observe anything out of the ordinary.

When anyone speaks of underground tunnels or facilities, I always think of the logistics to build and support such structues. We saw nothing of the sort.

I have no doubt in the integrity of the Elders and the people Norio talked to. If there is anything going on underground, it is not apparent on the surface.

Too Sandy and I, it will still remain a mystery in a beautiful valley in
Colorado. Could there be tunnels or facilities underground, Possibly.
Unfortunately nothing conclusive can be determined. That will be, for the time being, an open ended question.

...Alan

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What impressd me the most about the above report was how it compared with what Paul Bennewitz told Merrily and I. Especially, seeing ship's enter and exit from the Mesa. and including taking a picture of a big foot.
The below URL is a photo of a ship next to the Acheletta Mesa where he's seen craft enter and exit from side of the Mesa.

The below is an excerpt from the website.

Paul Bennewitz Dulce Base UFO Photo
http://home.earthlink.net/~dexxxaa/_wsn/page3.html

This is Paul's photo of the Dulce base UFO. Upon his arrival near the base he said that he mentally communicated a count to the aliens as to when he would snap shoot his camera, a 500 speed Haselblad. It worked. He said the ship jumped into the picture on the count. However, he didn't actually see this ship himself. He says their ships are very fast. He explained the hat shaped ship shows power thrusting and bow-wave emanation? He said his experience while flying in his small aircraft near these ships was a little scary because of the great turbulence these bow-waves emanate and are strong enough to down a rather sizable aircraft if one approaches them too closely.
The cliff sides have forty foot wide openings for craft access to the base inside. Sometimes these entrances are opened and sometimes their closed. I've seen the close up photo's showing the entrances opened and closed. It appeared they used boulders for closing them up. Paul believed the aliens were using some kind of hydraulic system from inside the base.
I've also seen Paul's other photo's showing very clearly a ship sitting still on top of Archeletta Mesa with humanoid figures wearing what looked like astronaut suits standing outside and on top of their craft. Also from the same spot where he took the picture of the ship he took another picture closer to ground level, and it showed very clearly in between two trees, a huge, big foot like creature, a dark large humanoid being with one arm raised in the air like if it were waving to Paul. He said that he didn't see him either. The invisible's? But there it was it the camera shot. The security sentry is very detailed in that area and cannot be approached without being detected. I wouldn't ever try. It is far too dangerous to venture into. Paul was invited. There's more I learned and experienced with Paul that I'm sure the public and researchers are unaware of to this day even though it is twenty years later. It would explain his mental and physical exhaustion breakdown. Something much to the alien's desire. Secrets. Paul is a guy who cares very much for people, easy to like and very intelligent(200 IQ). I wish him well where ever he may be?

Dex

ouch


Dex, take a half hour-- read the excellent analysis shawnna has posted at serpo.info. It is easy to follow and direct. she lays out the info and happenings as they occurred -

read these e-mails
http://www.serpo.info/files/Teamof5emailscombined.pdf


then - come back and tell me what you think.


this is a post from WYZWORLD that articulates what many are feeling these days:

Great post starryeyes. Really enjoyed the disinfo material. When you realize that these people actually believe that this stuff is necessary and beneficial, you just have to scratch your head. When people look back on the disintigration of our traditional social arrangements, they will see that it goes hand-in-hand with officially sanctioned deception. The Official Secrets Act was in fact the death knell for this great experiment. If the fear can be cranked up high enough, people will dive into the pit beneath an outhouse so they can be "safe." When deception, corruption, and official violence are condoned by a society, these psychopathic behaviors will ultimately consume it.

To me this whole circus about various "disclosure motifs" comes from a bunch of reprobates sitting in their office cubicles and flicking pencils at the ceiling to see which one sticks. It appears that TPTB realize that disclosure is coming whether they like it or not, but they are not above trying to manipulate it to their own benefit.

The funny thing about it is that with Dan giving so much specific information about cellular anatomy and physiology is not so much that the interpretation was incorrect (in my opinion) but that now THIS story is out and so they are forced to run with it. He can't go back and put the J-Rod together in new ways that will better support his doctrine that they are our descendants. Therefore, they are forced to continue along a path that will disintigrate if they try to spread it widely among biologists. So, if his postings about the J-Rod are true, his interpretation doesn't stand. If things now come out in a new way by omitting or re-writing old information, then everybody catches on right away and realizes that it is all b.s. Even better, if contradictory information comes out from other biologists, then their story is shot down by the fact that they merely opened their mouths with something contradicting the first one. Thus is the science in the first story gets junked then nothing will ever be trusted again, and ANYTHING they propose will be doubted and discarded based on the fact that the group simply cannot tell the truth for fear of losing control or power.

The trick is to get them to say enough to hang themselves and then sit back and watch them dangle in the wind.

[EDIT....Dex, please don't take the following personally as it isn't directed at you, but are you saying above that Dan is now claiming he was never AT Dulce? If you're able, could you please paste in where he says that? That would be one of his biggest whoppers, if right.]

[Also, the below isn't intended for any one person, just a generalized feeling I get from people that mean well but seem to under-estimate the seriousness of the situation.]

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And I say (while suffering abominably from a terrible hacking cough/flu that drains the energy) that for those folks that haven't a clue as to how this fits together, take the "currency" that's been offered --- to the bank.

(That "currency" being affidavits and other legal documents, the 'bank' referred to the courts and legislatures.)

I say that without rancor, without anger, just sadness.......while there are many examples of fraud and lying in this "farcical saga", there are some things that have been sworn to that have yet to be tested. One can't very well challenge the authenticity of documents and say that if the documents are fraudulent, that therefore what they say is fraudulent, and on the other hand dismiss the authenticity of documents that seem to disagree with one's opinion. I'm speaking of the Affidavit of April 13th, 2005, that DB wrote on Toni's and my behalf. Since we haven't been able to force a cross-examination of it, its "authenticity" is still under a cloud, but in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, it IS a legal document and therefore has to be accepted at face value. THIS is why I've asked that anyone who disagrees with the contents of it "put up or pipe down". Don't like it? TAKE IT TO THE COURTHOUSE! PLEASE! CHALLENGE IT IN THE LEGAL ARENA AND HAVE IT DECLARED FRAUDULENT IF IT IS! PLEASE! IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT, THEN ACCEPT THE PREMISE!

Until evidence to the contrary is presented, it is a truthful document, and as such the implications need to be examined carefully......which has yet to happen, despite hanging out there for almost TWO YEARS.

That said, it doesn't mean that everything said J-Rod told Dan (or communicated to him) is true. It doesn't mean that said J-Rod is even FROM Zeta Reticuli, only that he represented himself to be. It doesn't mean that everything put into said Tau-9 Treaty Conference For The Preservation Of Humanity is in our best interest, only that such a document was signed by signatories representing themselves to be from the European "Illuminati", the American "Majestic Twelve", Orion, and several extraterrestrial entities representing themselves to be from Zeta Reticuli.

Until the armchair theorists and musers 'go for the throat' and start challenging this and other documents (Bill Uhouse and his verification of an entity known also as a "J-Rod" at Los Alamos), then no proof will be proferred! Nothing will be done! At best, only musing books will be written and consumed by musers mildly musing! Low-level miscreants will become legendary figures, to whom whole "games" will be attributed, with nary a comprehensive paradigm to explain them with! (Other than vague and dark murmurings about 'making a buck', or simple cruelty.....talk about cognitive dissonance!)

The documents are there. The courts and Congress are there. Parliaments are there. You think they don't listen to people who write to them? Try getting 12 people to write with you, and watch how they scramble! Don't believe me? Spend a year or 5 as a volunteer in their midst, and see what I mean.

You ALL have the power to do something about this state of affairs, but I doubt anything will ever come of it other than pointing the finger at the manipulation (which is a given, so let's please get over it and move on to the meat of the matter and deal with it).

In the meantime, the (allegedly retired) Maji, the 12 who last sat until adjournment, have had Dan and Marci secretly spirited to Congress to testify that the "truthful note of introduction" attached to my letters to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence were a necessary appendage. Thus, they are using my own words to justify a paradigm they want Congress to believe, to the detriment of the common man that's naively lurching towards the 'Big Event'.

Seriousness is in the eye of the beholder Dondep. You need not speak for me and I am sure others would feel the same way. Instead of pointing the finger outwards as to people who under-estimate you might also look inwardly for those who might over-estimate. Some would say the currency is knowingly counterfeit and the bank is corrupt. What specifically are 'other legal documets' and how and when would you test them?

While you concentrate all your efforts on generally but carefully accepting most of what has been offered as you have even before affadavits were tendered, do you not think it is reasonable that others including SE explore those avenues which are proving to be just as much if not more plausible than the traditional plot? Most would agree that is not only reasonable but rational. Please estimate the seriousness of THOSE lines of inquiry and cease looking down on those who have the will to explore outside of what has become your D&M paradigm. Wish you a speedy recovery to good health.

Oh and Dex, in case you missed it this was posted at Sneds earlier and my guess is that you CAN take this personally.

dul·ce

adj.
(azucarado) sweet
(dúctil) soft, ductile
fresh
agua dulce = fresh water
figurative (dócil) sweet, gentle
(agradable) soft, pleasant
voz dulce = pleasant voice
m.
(confite) candy, sweet
(golosinas) sweets, sweet things
Central America = brown sugar

Idioms:
dulce de arroz = rice pudding
dulce de fruta = candied fruit
dulce de leche = custard cream

en dulce
(confitado) candied
(en almíbar) in syrup



dul·ce·dum·bre

f.
(calidad de dulce) sweetness
(suavidad) softness
Inflected Forms: dulcedumbres - fem
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^ pssst... that was me...

I have driven through Dulce a couple of times. That was after I had read that there was a massive super-secret base under the mesa. I saw no indications of a government presence. I did not speak with any local people.

Visiting Los Alamos New Mexico is a completely different experience; everything is different, like in a science-fiction movie. The commercial signs are smaller, there is an abundance of pastel-colored metal buildings behind high fences. The grounds are clean and groomed.

Dulce showed none of that. I probably was there before the new schools and other civilian buildings were built. There were no shiny grey vans with only a few small numbers printed low on the side; no odd cop-cars, no unusual trucks and no strange roads leading to improbable destinations.

It is possible that the primary access to the base is her underground from some distance away, or through covert aircraft entrances. I’ll pass on the teleportation option, though it may exist.

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Richard Sauder, PhD has researched this topic extensivly, and written at least one book that is very compelling. He has photographs of the nuclear-powered machines that can bore several miles per day of 36 foot diameter tunnels, leaving a glass-smooth surface of fused earth and rock.

It is well documented that very "clean" nuclear excavation devices are used to create huge caverns. See the work of M.D. Ed Ward (...could be a wrong name) who claims that the inner core of the WTC complex buildings were vaporized by just such devices.

So, my speculation: The base is there, but there is no surface access in the immediate area.

Yes, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassady are probably being used in some insidious way -- I'm well aware of the arts of secrecy management and psych-ops (I do read Starry's posts quite closely, because they're a good way to stay "balanced") -- but that's not to say Bill & Kerry are not serving up some tasty "conspiracy" crumbs of info to a minority willing to listen. Do I believe in the testimony of Clifford Stone? Yep, sure I do. Do I believe in Dan_B's testimony in relation to his interactions with the JRod, yep, sure I do. Ryan and Cassady have facilitated the release of this information, which is a good thing in my opinion, although I know many will disagree with me.

You can't mention Burisch and the Serpo travesty in the same breath. You really can't. Serpo was a load of crap from the beginning, that sounded like the plot from a third-rate scifi series that's cancelled after one episode. No wonder it died a relatively quick death like it deserved, because it had no solid data to enable it to make it's case. The Burisch data, whether you believe it or not, has. In spades. And after all these years it's still got legs and running, despite all the shenanigans of the past year or so that has affected its standing amongst some of us "believers", but that's human nature for you.

Some observations of Bill Ryan's and Kerry Cassady's Jake Reason interview (thanks for posting links, Shady):- Bill & Kerry like to ratchet up the paranoia a bit too much for my liking. They were piggybacking on somebody's paid wireless network. I know that's against the law in the USA, but here in Blighty, I don't think it is, so I was surprised to hear that the Police got involved. If someone's freeloading off someone else's private wireless network/internet connection, then it's the fault of the person hosting the wireless network for not encrypting it or password-protecting it -- simple as that. I had to smile at their "don't mess with the British police" comment. What police??? I haven't seen a "bobby (lol, do Americans really fall for this cliched view of England )" in years. The only time you see them is in their squad cars or when they're laying down a radar speed trap somewhere.

Hope the flu clears up soon, Don.

Edited..

Thanks for clarifying, Dex. The honorable thing to do would be to address it head-on, as most people are aware of the famous Sept 2002 interview Dan had with Bill Hamilton. e.g.: "Here's what I thought then, and why. Here's what I've come to learn since then, and here's how I've come to my present conclusion." If a mistake was made in identity of a place, then people can understand if it's explained in detail. Dulce IS a place of much ufer 'folklore', so a barely-glancing comment wouldn't do justice to such a change of statement.


Mjc, I agree with your assessment re Serpo and DB. At least until shown otherwise. Serpo was never 'all that', IMHO. Just the use of it as a psy-op.

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"....do you not think it is reasonable that others including SE explore those avenues which are proving to be just as much if not more plausible than the traditional plot? Most would agree that is not only reasonable but rational. Please estimate the seriousness of THOSE lines of inquiry and cease looking down on those who have the will to explore outside of what has become your D&M paradigm."

Yes, I think it is MORE than reasonable that all avenues should be explored. I think SE has had some remarkable finds lately, so my intent isn't to denigrate the impulse to explore these concepts. You can imagine that we have some serious rows on occasion, but when it comes down to it, the two of us HAVE been used and manipulated, and denigrated to the point where I have to now consider legal action against certain individuals (in this case, ironically, NOT D&M) who slandered especially SE at ATS. I wasn't aware until last night the extent of it.

The problem seems to be that there IS no one "currency" that anyone seems willing to accept. Some of us are completely willing to believe what one person or persons tell us, simply because they have alpha-betties behind their name or authored a book under their belt. Some have lambasted me for "believing" everything I've been told by "insiders", but they have little idea apparently of what has been said (other than those 'communiques' that are published on the website). While I've been told many different things, some contradictory, the fact that I can't positively ID some of these unknown correspondents does NOT make the information they have given me fraudulent. I just can't count on it in a court-of-law as 'evidence', but in point-of-fact I have yet to see anyone on the GT even seriously consider the 'Big Picture' as it's been painted......with the possible exception of Shady, who can google up all sorts of useful info as it relates to individual 'items' in the "D&M paradigm".

What "Kali" is quoted as saying above -


is news to me, because prior to Serpo it only appeared that Kit Green was dabbling in Dan Burisch, mostly at the request of Bill Hamilton, who thought his credentials above reproach. To have him 'conspiring', in effect, with the two authors of the book "Exempt From Disclosure" in "authenticating" Dan, and then turn around and call him a 'fraud' only shows to me upon reflection that the concepts 'admitted to' in the Affidavit were NOT the ones they were 'allowed' to promote. Makes me recall what Ron Garner was telling Dan prior to his 'removal' as D&M's representatives......."go easy on the 'warning', Dan; we want these people to embrace you, not be alienated from you" (pun intended in my paraphrase.... ).

In other words, and "simply put": no-one wants to talk about the 'Big Event that will change humanity forever'. Even Dan doesn't want to, isn't allowed to, or is currently trying to figure out how to do so within the context of folklore/prophecies/legends/mythologies so long as he maintains he's a 'messenger of Hope, not Cataclysm'. So long as the subject is relegated to one of the following: mind-control, free energy, just-dropping-in-from-the-future-for-a-quick-cure-for-neuropathy, 'secret societies', faster-than-light travel, or colonization of earth by evil aliens bent on the destruction of humanity,

then the PTB is comforted. IMHO.

So, my apologies if I ruffled any feathers, I'd just like to have "MY" "D&M paradigm" addressed at some point, amidst all the other intellectual endeavors here.

I'm still not finished with my short 'essay' on the P45Ks, but as soon as I'm back on my feet I'll be posting it. I'm trying to round up all the snippets from all the 'sources' so that it can be viewed from several different angles.

I remember Collins using one of the graphics I created based on something that was "dropped by a so called insider" - I think it was a UNLV directory or something were I pulled the mention of DB - enlarged it so one could read it - over a muted background of the original page that showed it in its place... I had to write to collins becasue he just "lifted it" from the site I had it on with no credit, no link, no permisssion or anythiing. If it was the straight base info -- that is one thing -- once someone takes the time to turn it into a "graphic" that is something else completely -- so yes Collins was endorsing db - and then changed his site once they "launched" Serpo.