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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Shady,
The Global Consciousness Project ("The Princeton EGGS") you mentioned above has a very cool website located at Princeton where you can hear in real time the 'hits' on the random number/consciousness generators: a series of occasional "chimes", with the odd very loud "gong" - which is a mega-hit of planetary "something".
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/bsktobsrv/nishith/basketobserver.html You might be asked to download Javascript to hear this. Click yes. Wait a moment for the stuff to load. On some days, when planetary tensions are high (war? financial collapse? earthquake?) the "gongs" can be almost continuous....
More info here: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/ along with a real-time graphic of where the hits are coming from - U.S. northeast looks very active at this moment....
Shady wrote:
"The first comes from Edgescience and describes the results of a ten-year study conducted by the Global Consciousness Project. Working in collaboration with over 100 scientists, the GCP installed Random Number Generators (RNG) at 65 sites around the world that churned away mundane day after mundane day in order to capture those few less mundane days when major global events occur such as 9/11 Terrorist attacks, the 2004 tsunami, and the 2008 election of President Barack Obama. Or, say, the landing of flying saucers on the White House lawn.
The study started from the hypothesis that during such events the RNG instrument would become non-random and thereby provide evidence of a global consciousness. GCP director Roger D. Nelson explains:
“We predict departures from expectation when there is a widespread, profound sharing of mental and emotional responses. [What they found was] “the overall statistics for the project indicate odds of about 1 in 20 million that the correlation of our data with global events is merely a chance fluctuation….The GCP effect implies that the behavior of RNGs separated by global distances becomes correlated during events of importance to humans. This is a profoundly mysterious outcome that stretches our scientific imaginations.”
Cheers,
Selene
Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:10 pm
Grist von Zweifel
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Madame_Karnak wrote:
Bluebonnet wrote:
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Maybe the world has to fall apart before people learn to accept each other. Maybe even the elite need a humbling dose of poverty, dirt and deprivation to understand their place in the universe. I don't know. but I do know that the most IMPORTANT CHARACTER TRAIT OF A SURVIVOR IS HUMILITY. Humbleness is the thing that lets one survive. What does that mean? It means not caring whether other people think that you are cool or whatever and doing what is required to survive. It means accepting one's self even if that self has gotten a little crazy in the interim. It means knowing who it is that lives inside the skin that you have been assigned for this trip around the block.
All of the other things aren't so important. Once you have confronted the naked truth of yourself, the rest of the world is pretty easy to deal with. You learn that being true to your ideals is the only way to achieve self-recognition and NOT THE APPROVAL OF OTHERS FOR A CAR, HOUSE OR OTHER TRAPPINGS. Those are just props.
Madame - well said! Bravo!
I'm so sorry for your difficulties. My husband and I had a life changing experience in the late 80's/early 90's and I can certainly empathize with what you are going through.
Some people don't get what is really important in this world and, sadly, they never will.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Bluebonnet and GTA Admin as well as all the fine minds of the GT,
Thanks for the kind remarks. I wish that I deserved such praise, but truly I don't. It took me a while to learn to deal with my changed circumstances and to accept my new "lowly" position in the eyes of the unaware. I still struggle with my feelings about being viewed as "lesser" or "insignificant" by others. Trying to achieve humility is a very difficult task. It requires the frequent use of the phrase, "I was wrong." Using that phrase is taxing for all of us, but especially for those who have been proud in the past. Let me say a little bit about that particular issue.
When I was younger, I was an attractive woman. One of the things that impoverishment takes from one is the ability to maintain a beautiful youthful appearance. I want to say what a blessing that has been. Not only do I actually find out if people respect my ideas because they are no longer looking at my chest or other aspects, but I have had to find out how to maintain health naturally rather than through emollients and expensive nutritional supplements.
I was forced to read a great deal about nutrition, trace elements and diet that I might not have read otherwise. I have regained much of the vitality that I lost. I feel a lot better and I look a lot better BECAUSE of what I have been through. Even though I did not "enjoy" the process, I have learned a great deal by what circumstances have forced upon me. Now, for those who would like to know a little bit about what I learned about nutrition as a means to stay healthy and well, I will put some posts up in the active mind that will contain bibliography and references. I can say that the changes that I made have enabled me to stop taking any antidepressants, lowered my blood pressure, softened my skin, removed blotches and made me feel a lot more energetic. With some more exercise and growing my own plants, I expect to become even more healthy.
For those who have gone through these types of trying events, thanks for sharing your stories. One of the elements of the GT that I most treasure is the dialogue with really intelligent thoughtful people. I have learned so much from my visits here. Thank you all for your thoughts and information.
MK
PS: Did I mention how much I like the emoticons and colors? BTW, what colors work best?
I would just like to say; "Madam, YOU are a class act". I consider myself a very lucky man to share this time and space with you, and am so glad you looked inward and saw the blessing that is you. Thank you for your gifts and beauty, Grist
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:54 pm
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Grist von Zweifel wrote:
I would just like to say; "Madam, YOU are a class act". I consider myself a very lucky man to share this time and space with you, and am so glad you looked inward and saw the blessing that is you. Thank you for your gifts and beauty, Grist
Well said Grist x 2 from me
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:58 pm
Selene
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Madame,
That makes (a least!) three of us! Live long and prosper, m'dear. A lady is a lady is a lady, no matter where or when.
Much love and fondest appreciation for the pleasure of your company,
Selene
Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:16 pm
Rick Hunter
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
My favourite song this year is Uprising by Muse. It should be the theme song for the demise of the powers that be.
The paranoia is in bloom, The PR transmissions will resume. They'll try to push drugs to keep us all dumbed down And hope that we will never see the truth around.
Another promise, another scene, another Packaged lie to keep us trapped in greed. With all the green belts wrapped around our minds And endless red tape to keep the truth confined.
They will not force us. They will stop degrading us. They will not control us. We will be victorious.
Interchanging mind control. Come let the revolution take its toll. If you could flick the switch and open your third eye, you'd see that we should never be afraid to die.
Rise up and take the power back, It's time that the fat cats had a heart attack. You know that their time is coming to an end. We have to unify and watch our flag ascend.
Re: "Looks like my first posts are coming off as hostile in nature. That was not my intent, at least not my conscious one. I used the Obama name as an example of how conspiracy can be made from nothing..."
Cool - not a problem, I understand what you're saying. There's a great deal of information on these pages and so if you are interested in using the board as a news service or spring board to other research, this is a good place to be. - ebb
Thought I posted my thoughts about first contact here in this thread but I can't find it. I know I submitted it and saw it earlier. Perhaps it's somewhere else and can't recall where. Oh well!
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:05 pm
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
ebb wrote:
Re: "Looks like my first posts are coming off as hostile in nature. That was not my intent, at least not my conscious one. I used the Obama name as an example of how conspiracy can be made from nothing..."
Cool - not a problem, I understand what you're saying. There's a great deal of information on these pages and so if you are interested in using the board as a news service or spring board to other research, this is a good place to be. - ebb
ebb please accept my appology for using you as an example. I know who you are refering to but does anyone else?
People of the Golden Thread
When your intent is to respond to a specific member or post please use the QUOTE button or at the very least tell us the name of the person that your responding to so the Mods can help! Please do not copy paste a portion of a post and assume that we will know who your speaking too.
The quote button is there for a reason folks please use it. Thanks
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:08 pm
Shady Groves
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
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Oval UFO and small 'creature' reported by California man
A California man reports seeing an oval-shaped UFO and a one to two-foot-tall creature on his property September 30, 2009, according to witness testimony from the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) database.
The oval-shaped craft was seen about 3 p.m. after the man reported seeing a reflection of the object off of a camper shell window.
At 9:50 p.m., the man said he went outside to feed his cat and saw "something flashing colorful lights" just off his porch steps that was no bigger than a baseball.
The man took two steps toward the object and realized it was being held by "something" that stood no more than one or two feet tall.
Both the man and the "creature" were startled and moved away from each other.
The witness claims he heard the object hit the ground, but when he went back to the area to look for it, nothing was there.
The following is the unedited witness statement from MUFON. Please keep in mind that most UFO reports can be explained as something natural or manmade. If MUFON investigates and reports back on this case, I will update this page
CA. September 30, 2009 - Oval craft scared my cat / Strange blinking lights in my yard later that night. MUFON Case # 19797.
Around 3:00pm I was watching my cat sitting in the yard from inside my house, looking out a sliding glass door. He was looking out into a field and then looked straight up. His ears went flat and his eyes were big and he ducked down and quickly ran to a tree to climb but stopped halfway looking up all around.
At that moment a saw a reflection of a black oval (off of a camper shell window in the driveway) moving away to the left. I have tall trees all around the house but only the sky can be seen in the reflection.
I went and picked up the cat and he was trembling and shaking.
Later that night at exactly 9:50 I went outside to feed the cat, as I stepped out of the door I saw something flashing colorful lights just off the porch steps in the yard no bigger than a baseball. It was very dark and I took 2 steps towards it and noticed that it was being held by "something" about 1 to 2 feet tall.
I was startled and jumped back and at the same time the "thing" was startled too and dropped the flashy thing and ran away super fast. I looked where "it" dropped the flashy light thing cause it was right in front of my pumpkin patch. I heard it hit the ground and later believe it bent a pumpkin leaf stem. Nothing there. I was terrified by then and went inside to collect my self.
Photos: Witness images were reduced in size for this page.
The UFO report is not particularly unusual - the Mutual UFO Network receives similar reports of hovering lights in the sky frequently.
Witnesses often take you through a range of what they believe the object "is not," ruling out the obvious, before making a point about how unusual a sighting is.
In this instance - MUFON Case # 20,023 - the group of reporting witnesses is an astronomy club - five individuals who have a passion with explaining exactly what they are observing within a natural landscape.
But on this October evening - they've collectively declared their object a UFO. Please keep in mind that most UFO reports can be explained as something natural or manmade. If Oklahoma MUFON investigates and reports back on this case, I will update this page. The following report is unedited and uninvestigated.
OK, October 17, 2009 - The same object was seen by many at the RMCC Observatory - Mounds, OK as reported from Mt. Pleasant, TX. MUFON Case # 20,023.
On the evening of 10-17-09 myself and four other club members were at our astronomy clubs’ observatory (35.8308 96.14518) for a clear night of observing. With many years of experience in observing under our belts we were needless to say quite qualified to identify most anything that we would see. Between approximately 6:40 – 7:00 P.M. one of the members noticed something off in the west and queried as to what it may happen to be.
First and foremost it was bright, more or less as bright as Jupiter, yet setting about ten to twelve degrees above the horizon, due west. At our first sighting most of us thought that it was nothing more than an airliner reflecting sunlight from the setting sun but that determination was tossed aside shortly there after. If it had been what we first thought it was it would’ve lost it’s size and brightness fairly quick as it shifted positions in relation to the sun while in flight.
But, it continued to maintain its position, did not move in any direction - vertically, horizontally. If by some chance it were a celestial body it would follow a gradual celestial track that all of us would have noticed in a few minutes. Again, it didn’t move, remained in one position, which eliminated the possibility of it being a celestial body that none of us were unlikely familiar with. That alone became puzzling since the obvious – Venus, Mercury – are now tracking in the morning eastern sky, not the evening western sky.
With that we continued to watch it as one of the guys used his 10x50 binoculars to get a better view. What was seen initially brought to mind that it may perhaps be a high altitude research balloon but the more we watched it and as it maintained its position that thought was tossed quickly also. From the beginning it remained in one position, never moved. Balloons, of any type, will not remain in one specific position be they weather balloons, high altitude research balloons or otherwise.
But as we watched it more closely it was very surprising as to the manner in which it morphed into various shapes and sizes. Its brightness would vary some but that was easily seen as being caused by the low-lying clouds on the horizon. As we commonly call it – it was “sitting in the soup”. When they would move in front of it the objects brightness would dim some. Otherwise it would maintain its brightness. That was easily seen via binocular observations.
The longer we watched it the more curious we all became and with that growing curiosity we quickly set two telescopes onto it. Two different sized telescopes were used, one, Celestron 11” Schimdt-Cassegrain telescope and a smaller Orion 4.5” dobsonian telescope. Between the two we could pull it in for a much closer look in a very inquisitive effort to determine just what it actually was. Charts and web sites were checked also to make sure we weren’t simply forgetting perhaps one event that may explain what we were now seeing. Nothing could be found.
The Celestron was using a 40mm eyepiece for a much wider field of view whereas the smaller Orion had a 15mm eyepiece to pull it in much closer. Through the Orion one could easily see what appeared right off as a bell shape. The same was viewed in the other also.
But as mentioned before it morphed into what was clearly seen and could be interpreted as the same basic outline of the Shuttle that anyone would see as it flies over. Again, the same basic shape as to what you would see looking up at the bottom of it. That distinctive shape was easily recognized. At the rear of it you could see what looked like bluish green waves that would both come and go from the main rear line of the object. Nowhere else was this color and wave seen, just at the rear.
The objects color was a combination of the just mentioned bluish green at the rear to a lighter orange yellow up through the main body and then into red orange, much more intense, than any of the other colors at the top or perhaps, from appearance at that time, leading edge. None of us had ever seen a color distribution of this sort before. Especially on either the Shuttle or any other normal day-to-day satellites. From our position/location it appeared to be hovering over either Bristow, Ok or possibly even Oklahoma City.
There was no attempt by any of us then to determine its specific distance or altitude from us. The same applies to its actual size. Visually, it appeared very similar to the size of Jupiter. Other than that comparison we honestly don’t know either its distance or specific altitude. It remained in the same position for approximately 40 minutes and never moved. Close to 8 P.M. we started to notice what appeared to be a ring of lights that was rotating around the bottom portion. The lights were seen in the same location that the bluish green colored waves were at. Several of us noticed this while looking at it through the telescopes.
Needless to say this was surprising to us all. This carried on for one to two minutes and then suddenly the object started to move. The movement was slow at the beginning but increased very rapidly. I had my eye glued to the 40mm eyepiece when this began and once it started I could not move. Within two seconds it had totally disappeared from open visual sight but I still had a lock on it in the eyepiece. Fast, very fast it moved from dead center in the eyepiece field of view upwards and at the same time was getting smaller and smaller as it flew away. Two or three seconds later it was totally gone from view in either of the telescopes.
The speed that it moved was without question way beyond anything that we have knowledge of or is publicly known to be in our military. At the rate it flew away would make a SR-71 Blackbird look very old and slow. Could it have possibly been a new experimental aircraft? Possibly yes but if so what was something such as that doing in Oklahoma? Most generally new experimental, top-secret aircraft of that type are being tested at either Edwards AFB or Area 51, not Oklahoma. In a nutshell, we will never know. It was unidentifiable, it was in the air and flew away and it most certainly was an object of some unknown kind/type. From this alone it could be justifiably categorized as a UFO.
Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:57 pm
Lynnwood
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Mikulus wrote:
Hmm,
Thought I posted my thoughts about first contact here in this thread but I can't find it. I know I submitted it and saw it earlier. Perhaps it's somewhere else and can't recall where. Oh well!
In it I mentioned how I would treat an alien if I encountered one. Basically it would be like another person. Let actions speak louder than words. Everybody has a unique soul, measure that up not the body.
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:14 pm
mountaintiger7
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Mikulus wrote:
Back to my Obama word game:
We have ABMAO after scrambling up the name. Then we divided up the AB from MAO. AB MAO
... So, to recap:
We know that Barack's parents were communists when they met in a Russian language course. Whether Barack's mother passed those ideals to her son is speculation. One might say she did based off Barack's mentors and his appointed Czars. ...
This does not lead to the conclusion that your draw here. There is a lot of PREJUDICE going on from the big red team. But there is no facts I have found to say Obama believes in the political system that you espouse.
Please show reputable sources to support your conjecture.
*** the following example is for education only and not meant to be reflect on any persons in real life , etc etc... ****
Let say you have a vehicle and you buy gas from shell oil (assume for this example it is fact)
In it I mentioned how I would treat an alien if I encountered one. Basically it would be like another person. Let actions speak louder than words. Everybody has a unique soul, measure that up not the body.
Funny you should mention that. The house where I live is set waaaay back from the street, with a large lot in between us and the house that is facing the street. I have often wondered, no, imagined a UFO landing in that long grassy expanse between me and the house at the street -- and an occupant exiting, and wondered what an appropriate reaction would be so as not to frighten myself or the Visitor and allow natural contact to ensue in earnest. Since my front window looks out at that lot, I think I would first make sure I was viewed from inside the house, then I would go get the freshest piece of organic fruit I had, as a gift, or perhaps a fresh-cut flower if I had one, and open the door and proceed to sit on my front porch for a spell. As soon as I could gather my courage (or climb out from under the bed!), I would attempt to listen to my heart and hope I could walk down to the grassy area. At that point I wonder about Visitor protocol and sadly to say, I worry about viruses and germs that they may have that I may be susceptible to... and I get stuck in my vision.
Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:50 pm
Dondep
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Okay, Mikulus, I'll point a few things out that raised the hackles on not only my neck but a few of the others reading and posting here, and maybe you'll understand why I said you were being "provocative", and not necessarily in a good way. At least, as you put it, consciously.
Mikulus wrote:
Looks like my first posts are coming off as hostile in nature. That was not my intent, at least not my conscious one. I used the Obama name as an example of how conspiracy can be made from nothing. In this case, I simply made up his Mao connection in literally five minutes of playing with the letters.
While that may be true, your choice of avatar was provocative and certainly took longer than only five minutes. To boot, it's a constant political debate every time it shows up, despite your protestation that you didn't "come to this board to debate politics". The only ones that use the words "Obama" and "savior" in the same sentence, in a sarcastic definition of one by the other, are usually those that show a vindictiveness and hatred towards him - not merely a difference of political opinion but an animus that extends to those that support him or supported him during the election.
Personally I have a few differences with Obama, mostly over his slowness in fulfilling his campaign pledges that may be tied to his too-cozy connections with the puppetmasters that own and supervise Earth, and you and I both know there are others here that did not and do not support him - that even consider him worse than Bush in some respects. So be it; we all have our different beliefs. But I do think it's disingenuous for you not to admit that you really were intending to provoke by using "Obama/Savior" together in the form of a cross.
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Does he have a link to communism ideology. I believe he does but circumstance makes the conspiracy tangible.
Furthermore I think you're aware, if you've been reading here for some time, of the various opinions and beliefs of the different posters here and that we are often at odds politically; rather than attempting to bridge that divide, the avatar exacerbates them. But what you said in the above sentence breaks down to this: No-one prompted the question of whether Obama has a link to communist ideology; your choice of avatar and not a comment by a previous post prompted it as a rhetorical question, which you then attempt to answer with a sentence that incorrectly uses the word "but" when you really mean "and". Jesus Christ himself had a "link to communist ideology". If you mean that the "corporate fascists" of the prior administration created the circumstances for the incoming administration - bent on adhering to the dictum of the Constitution's preamble to "promote the general welfare" - to make the conspiracy "tangible", then I suppose you were technically correct.
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Conspiracies are linked to circumstances. When they are linked to fact, then they are no longer conspiracies. Did I come to this board to debate politics? No. It was my mistake to talk about Obama in such manner. Does my icon provoke? Yes. If it angers one, ask yourself why does it effect me in such way.
Actually, didn't you mean to say "ask yourself why does it effect you in such a way"? You are the only one that can answer why it effects you; perhaps it was simply a missing set of rhetorical quote marks. I'll expand on my earlier comment: Jesus, at the mercy of the sneering Romans, was scornfully laughed at during the crucifixion process as "King of the Jews" and crowned with a crown of thorns. He never claimed to be "King", nor did he even claim to be their messiah. It was his enemies that did that; in like manner, it is Obama's enemies, and not simply those with political differences from his, that try to call him a "saviour" - when they really don't mean it at all, in fact just the opposite.
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Should I change it? I will do what the moderators ask of me. I do not have an issue of selecting another icon. Do I violate the golden rule? If the concensus believes so, then I am.
I find it offensive, and frankly I think you used it knowing that. I am hoping that this was only an awkward misstep on your part, that will swiftly be put to rest with the choice of a less-hostile avatar, or at least the removal of the "Obama/Saviour" portion that is obviously not reflective of your own view. While the "consensus" may not feel one way or the other, being apolitical for the most part or non-Americans in large measure anyway, it's certainly offensive to me - not least because I suspect its choice was carefully thought out.
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Am I attacking or provoking Shady Groves? No. He cannot be phased by such a ruse even if there was one. I simply know by his own writings that he has knowledge in symbols. I used some freemason ones and kinda nudged him by stating the obvious. Like a child would say, "hey, look what I did!".
The question isn't whether you attacked or provoked Shady Groves; on the contrary, you saw immediately that you could gain an ally in him by engaging him thusly, and like the occasional agent provocateur we've seen come this way before, thus play the 'divide and conquer' game. I earnestly hope that I am mistaken, but my intuition in these matters comes from having encountered many wolves posing as lambs over the years.
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He behaved as an adult "Yes, I see that" and challenged my "nudge" by asking if I truly know what I am doing.
But of course. See my previous reply. His response was planned for and anticipated, and he came through for you swimmingly.
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I am not a freemason or a member of the Illuminati. Never got the invite. My personality doesn't fit the mold. I'm just immitating what I have seen without true knowledge. Again, its reference to conspiracy. There's conspiracy that these societies set human behaviour through a structured framework of moral and taboo. I used that conspiracy by putting known symbols into my icon. Actually, that icon represents two conspiracies combine. First one is the conspiracy that some in the right have concerning the left. They think that the left have put Obama into a form of idol whorship. Have they? No. I see having pride in a canidate as not the same of worship. Do I feel that some of this pride as concerning? Yes, but not to be discussed here. The second conspiracy is that the Illuminati control politics. Do they? Circumstancial evidence at best! Give me solid proof. For all I know, the masons may actually hate Obama although the circumstancial handshakes suggest otherwise. Anyways I am not trying to challenge people directly. I enjoy this forum and perhaps it may be best if I just go back to passive reading instead of posting. As for zetatalk, am I STS or STO? I'm neither, I'm a shade of
Now this is the interesting portion of your post. In line with my comments above regarding your prescience, you point out that the Right has ascribed a form of "idol worship" to the Left, and correctly point out that this is a misperception. They found a champion, not an idol. (Even if he's proven to be 'not all that'.) It's true that taking pride in a candidate is far from "worship"; the very notion of "worship" makes me look further askance at what prompted you in all this, because you then go on to say that this "pride" is concerning, then teasingly say it's "not to be discussed here". While I would have agreed with you prior to your entrance, now that you've prompted this exchange, we might as well have that part of the conversation too as otherwise it would seem we are leaving dessert to another venue.
You then go on to point out that the "Illuminati" control politics. As I'll be replying to Steph (The Ferret) later, we're almost by defnition limited to logic both pro and con when it comes to some of these issues, as the game has already been rigged against the average citizen when it comes to matters of "solid proof" - which you must know already, not being that naive. And the handshakes; you've watched these circumstantial handshakes take place? '
Finally, you make the suggestion you should perhaps just go back to reading and not posting. I'm certainly not going to fall into the trap of encouraging you not to post, not for one minute. I'm constantly urging people to post, and once we get this out debate flushed out and have an understanding, I would hope that you continue to post because, just as Shady put it, I believe that everyone has a right to their own beliefs and the liberty to share them. [Naturally when they come into conflict with the Golden Rule, the Rule takes precedence.] Even if you are a communist, a fascist, a Jewish 'collectivist' or a muslim capitalist, give the best case for your beliefs and maybe the rest of us will (hopefully) learn something from you.
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I think that if our alien fellow decided to visit you, then he/she would have taken the measure to protect himself/herself from your germs and vice versa. According to alien mythos these guys can phase in between demensions, so it may be phased just enough that bacteria and such cannot jump from host to host.
Mountaintiger7, I wrote an explaination about that Mao thingy. Basically, I made it up to show how conspiracy can have just enough tangible circumstance to seem plausible but actually be false.
Dondep: Nice post. I understand your concerns and took action. I actually respect your postings and have for quite awhile.
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:10 pm
mountaintiger7
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Mikulus wrote:
1. Looks like my first posts are coming off as hostile in nature. That was not my intent, at least not my conscious one. an example of how conspiracy can be made from nothing. ...
2. Do they? Circumstancial evidence at best! Give me solid proof.
3. For all I know, the masons may actually hate Obama although the circumstancial handshakes suggest otherwise. Anyways I am not trying to challenge people directly. I enjoy this forum and perhaps it may be best if I just go back to passive reading instead of posting. ... 4. STS or STO? I'm neither, ...
... 5. I just wanted a form of participation to occur. Nothing devious or "nah nah nah" intended.
1. We are all learning, I would say that you have learn the first boundary here. That is we do not play games with each other. I myself have had enough of this dialectic game. I find speaking the truth and being Straight Forward and 100% Honest is hard work. It is not not easy when we were trained that way and have have to live in the environment that we do. I myself find I can not completely break free of these emotional addictions of this world. Hang in there and look for the real truth, it will find you.
2. Proof of the Illumitoy? Please see excellent reply that Dondep post to you "the game has already been rigged against the average citizen when it comes to matters of "solid proof"
3. Appearances can be deceiving, Obama does have to work with some questionable groups. Again don't get bogged down, look at the bigger picture.
4. Recognizing the problem is the first step. Revelation 3:16 "So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.". Seems to me like you have to make a choice.
5. ??? we are not vocal enough? *** REALLY *** ??? ?
MT7
Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:25 pm
mountaintiger7
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Mikulus wrote:
... Mountaintiger7, I wrote an explaination about that Mao thingy. Basically, I made it up to show how conspiracy can have just enough tangible circumstance to seem plausible but actually be false. ...
I understand, but the presentation of the concept lead to miscommunication. Speaking for myself I want to have clear communications and understanding here. Basic NoSned Allowed.
MT7
Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:47 pm
Dondep
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
The Ferret wrote:
Re; Harrington's death - While I agree that's possible, Don, is there evidence this is the case here? Did Robert Harrington ever mention to close friends, for example, he suspected he'd been infected with a cancer-causing agent? Were any suspicions voiced in, say, a memo or private letter to a colleague? This is what I'm getting at...evidence, not an unsubstantiated suspicion that wouldn't hold water in a legal case.
Sorry, Don, I wasn't implying you personally - but on some of the pro-conspiracy forums in particular anyone raising the possibility some of the 'evidence' is actually not water-tight is called a 'shill' or naively accused of living with their head in the sand. I'm not a debunker, but would really like to get to the bottom of the truth in all these matters.
Regarding Lieder/Zeta claims, well we'll have to agree to disagree politely there I guess, in that I don't think she's credible at all. And, as others here have also said, if she genuinely is chanelling, then exactly what is the intention and nature of the entities she's chanelling?
Regarding "evidence", Steph..... if we consider the possibility or plausibility of a Coverup that is bent on preventing something so catastrophic as a poleshift from becoming known by the public populations, a Coverup that was given power at the highest level (as Pres. Truman supposedly commissioned MJ-12 in 1947) to use any and all federal gov't. agencies to effect, then we are automatically and by definition virtually stripped of "solid, substantial proof" - unlike most other scientific research endeavors. This is one reason why we're hamstrung in many respects, and by default become more reliant on the logic of a claim than evidence might provide. Some of these fast-acting cancers are exactly that - very very fast-acting. Allegedly Peter Jennings of ABC News suffered a similar fate, though from the pro-Disclosure faction within the CotM. It doesn't mean that Harrington didn't complain privately his suspicions, or even that he had any. Based on what we've been told about Harrington's death, I can't "prove" to you unequivocally that he was assassinated because of his pro-Disclosure of PX stance; by the same token, neither you or anyone else can prove that he wasn't. Now, if we had a history of previous bouts with cancer, instances where he was hospitalized and medical records stating that he suffered from the condition, etc, we might logically deduce that it's even less likely that a fast-acting agent was used to kill him prematurely. On the other hand, he was reportedly in excellent health when he headed down to New Zealand and suddenly died, which lends more plausibility to the logic that he was indeed assassinated. Furthermore we have a record of he and Sitchin sitting together for interviews and discussions; at least one that I've watched. They shared an interest in the "tenth planet" that was well-known. What wasn't well known, or logically deduced at the time by those that should have been forewarned, is that the information about its location/existence/distance/speed, etc, was indeed classified "higher than the H-Bomb", as Canadian Wilbert Smith said.
As to the nature and intention of the entities Ms. Lieder is telepathically communicating with - as opposed to channelling, which takes place between densities (Nancy states her contacts are on the 2nd floor of her home on Sat. evenings to handle the GLP chat questions) - she and they have stated it often and in plain language. They too are from the Zeta Reticuli star system (I forget if they are from the 4th planet out from one of the 2 foci, and the J-Rods from the 7th planet out, or vice-versa) and their intention is to take their place of responsibility to do what so very very few humans have accepted on the face of it - help to genetically engineer the new model of humanoid that will be the next advancement of humanity (like cro-magnon to neanderthal, homo sapiens, etc) following the coming poleshift. That's their claim, anyway, one that oddly enough I first found raised in my readings of Oahspe at about the same time I was hearing from Dan B.'s "associates".
That is what the Zetas claim. As I've stated often; when I first read the ZetaTalk site, and the main claims on the front page, I was disbelieving at the point of snorting my disdain for such fanciful and delusional claims. Seriously. Many here had that reaction too, and still do. Yourself included. And I wouldn't want to "convert" you to believing their claims merely by the logic of what they say, as I often look to your 'rational' perspective to help keep a sense of balance, because even now I have occasional bouts of resistance to their 'message'. If it wasn't for the fact that certain 'insiders' connected to Burisch's projects pointed me there, along with a secure web-page that NASA had on the internet that showed 'IT', along with some 'specifications' that pertained to its mass, etc, then I would probably still have left ZT where I first found it, having given it short shrift at the time. That isn't the same as saying that simply due to those 2 "pointers" was I convinced of the validity of ZT, but it gave me enough pause to reconsider and then thoroughly study the entire body of work, which is rather extensive and contains quite a bit of science that resonates logically. Which I would encourage, if only to be able to debate the relative merits of the logic employed.
But like you said, we'll politely agree to disagree on Nancy's "credibility". If I didn't have the additional experience of a number of 'insiders' that have emphatically yet soberly insisted that their community pays an incredible amount of attention to what she says, I might be of the same mindset as you. Really. I didn't come to my understanding lightly, particularly when it comes to such an admonishing character as she is.
Incidentally, while I can understand the knee-jerk reactions other "conspiracy forums" have when dealing with real shills, there's no excuse for people to respond to you in such a hostile manner when they're being questioned about their beliefs. I'm sorry you've encountered that. Let them elucidate what they believe in, though I would advise withholding any rebuke for their presentations that don't include "solid proof". They should still be civil, and should still be able to explain why they believe in something, and not simply because someone else said it.
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:00 pm
Dondep
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Madame_Karnak wrote:
When I was younger, I was an attractive woman. One of the things that impoverishment takes from one is the ability to maintain a beautiful youthful appearance. I want to say what a blessing that has been. Not only do I actually find out if people respect my ideas because they are no longer looking at my chest or other aspects, but I have had to find out how to maintain health naturally rather than through emollients and expensive nutritional supplements.
I was forced to read a great deal about nutrition, trace elements and diet that I might not have read otherwise. I have regained much of the vitality that I lost. I feel a lot better and I look a lot better BECAUSE of what I have been through. Even though I did not "enjoy" the process, I have learned a great deal by what circumstances have forced upon me. Now, for those who would like to know a little bit about what I learned about nutrition as a means to stay healthy and well, I will put some posts up in the active mind that will contain bibliography and references. I can say that the changes that I made have enabled me to stop taking any antidepressants, lowered my blood pressure, softened my skin, removed blotches and made me feel a lot more energetic. With some more exercise and growing my own plants, I expect to become even more healthy.
For those who have gone through these types of trying events, thanks for sharing your stories. One of the elements of the GT that I most treasure is the dialogue with really intelligent thoughtful people. I have learned so much from my visits here. Thank you all for your thoughts and information.
MK
I'm going to save this post separately in my files, MK, as a testament to the gifts of true humility. You articulated it very well; as Grist said, you are definitely a CLASS ACT, and have demonstrated a little bit of what true nobility is.
BTW, I haven't forgotten about the elovie (sp?).....
Rick Hunter! Muse has been my favorite band of the 21st century, since I put on the headphones at a CD store listening station and played a few tracks of "Black Holes and Revelations". "Uprising" is a great follow-up, now that we the People are waking up and deciding we're not gonna take it anymore.
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:18 pm
Shady Groves
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
All in the Family Bloodlines and Heritage
On Stanley Armour Dunham (Obama's Grandfather on his mother's side)
Stanley Armour Dunham’s distant cousins include six US presidents: James Madison, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush. [19] Through a common ancestor, Mareen Duvall, a wealthy Huguenot merchant who emigrated to Maryland in the 1650s, Stanley Dunham is related to former Vice-President Dick Cheney (an eighth cousin once removed).[2] Through another common ancestor, Hans Gutknecht, a Swiss German from Bischwiller, Alsace whose three sons resettled in Germantown, Pennsylvania as well as the Kentucky frontier in the mid-1700s, Stanley Dunham is President Harry S. Truman's fourth cousin, twice removed.[20][21][22]
Now lets look at Obama's mother Simply going by her Winki page No other information..
Stanley Ann Dunham was born on November 29, 1942, at St. Francis Hospital in Wichita, Kansas[6] to Madelyn Payne and Stanley Armour Dunham.[7][8]...Named after her father because he wanted a boy, as a child and teenager she was known as "Stanley" and was teased about it. But she used the name through high school, "apologizing for it each time she introduced herself in a new town".[1] RED FLAG!
Named after her Father??!! totally unheard of in 1940 American culture. She even carries the name STANLEY well into high school and teased mercilessly.
........At the end of World War II Dunham moved with her parents from Wichita to Ponca City, Oklahoma, and from there to Vernon, Texas, and then to El Dorado, Kansas.[11] In 1955, the family moved to Seattle, Washington where her father was employed as a furniture salesman and her mother worked as vice president of a bank. RED FLAG!
After world war II (1945) to 1955 the family moves Withita > Ponca City Oklahoma > Vermon, Texas, > El Dorado, Kansas > Seattle Washington average stay in each town.. roughly 2 yeas. Question why all the moving??
..........In 1956, Dunham's family moved to Mercer Island, an Eastside suburb of Seattle. Dunham's parents wanted their 13-year-old daughter to attend the newly opened Mercer Island High School.[5] At the school, teachers Val Foubert and Jim Wichterman taught the importance of challenging social norms and questioning authority to the young Dunham, and she took the lessons to heart: "She felt she didn't need to date or marry or have children." One classmate remembered her as "intellectually way more mature than we were and a little bit ahead of her time, in an off-center way,"[5] and a high school friend described her as knowledgeable and progressive: "If you were concerned about something going wrong in the world, Stanley would know about it first. We were liberals before we knew what liberals were." Another called her "the original feminist."[5] RED FLAG!!!!
This is the era of "Leave it Beaver, June Cleaver, " "Father Knows Best" " Post War Years where the "Idealized and typical Average Woman Role model is Betty Crocker in the Kitchen baking her cakes and nitting her doilies with childern in the crib waiting for her husband to come home from the factory or work." This is the era of the "Stepford Wife" and little girls were rasied that taught Home Ec Home Economics in High School.
So here is Stanley Ann being taught hardcore "Socialist Liberation Philosophy" in her High School???? Hold on for one cotton picking minute. This is ALSO the Era of the "The Red Scare" Jospeh McCarthy, Hollywood Black lIsts.. Hell even Robert Ophenimmer (Father of the Atom Bomb) loses his Security Clearence for being a "Leftist with Communist Leanings.. YET YET Stanely Ann's HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS are allowed to teach hardcore Socialist Liberation Theology in high school?!? RED FLAG RED FLAG!!
.......In August 1959, Hawaii became the 50th state to be admitted into the Union. Dunham's parents sought business opportunities in the new state, and after graduating from high school in 1960, Dunham and her family moved to Hawaii. Dunham soon enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa. While attending a Russian language class, Dunham met Barack Obama, Sr., the school's first African student.[13][14] At the age of 23, Obama had come to Hawaii to pursue his education, leaving behind a pregnant wife and infant son in his home town of Nyang’oma Kogelo in Kenya. Dunham and Obama were married on the Hawaiian island of Maui on February 2, 1961, RED FLAG... RED FLAG.... Danger Will Robertson, Danger!!
Manoa, Hawaii Hawaii JUST happens to be the BASE for the entire Pacific Fleet of the United States Navy! Gender confused Stanley - Ann with leftist lesbian leaning "Progressive" in-doctrination is taking what?? RUSSIAN SPEAKING courses.. in which class happens to be a Kenyanian born Colonialist African! What the hell does a Kenyan need RUSSIAN language when there was no Russian interests on the whole of Africa other then sowing "THE RED REVOLUTION" and over throw of the colonialst capitalsts.. and What's he doing Hanging around town in Base of the Pascific Fleet!?!?!
I could go on and and on.. but I will simply end it here with this statement...
Given the evidence and the questions raised there is STRONG indication that the Dunham Family were and are a 1930s - 1940s SOVIET SLEEPER AGENTS! The Soviets at this time did in fact put whole families of them into the United States during 30s. This family was turned or had strong hidden Pro-Communist leanings and thus willing agents of the "Communist Revolution."
Stanley Durham - The Face of several generations of Americans? Or the face of Slavic Implant?
Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama mother) - Like Father like daughter clearly not face of 1940s or 50s Typical American Girl..
Obama's grand mother (Stanely Ann Dunham's mother) - Typical American Girl of the time period..
Just some observations..
Shady
Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:26 pm
Dondep
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Shady Groves wrote:
So here is Stanley Ann being taught hardcore "Socialist Liberation Philosophy" in her High School???? Hold on for one cotton picking minute. This is ALSO the Era of the "The Red Scare" Jospeh McCarthy, Hollywood Black lIsts.. Hell even Robert Ophenimmer (Father of the Atom Bomb) loses his Security Clearence for being a "Leftist with Communist Leanings.. YET YET Stanely Ann's HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS are allowed to teach hardcore Socialist Liberation Theology in high school?!? RED FLAG RED FLAG!!
Hmmmm...... I can't find where the claim is made that she was taught "hardcore Socialist Liberation Philosophy in her high school". (Or, as you say in the next sentence, Socialst Liberation Theology.) Do you have a link for that, Shady?
Speaking of, I had to read both "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" in high school. RED FLAG! RED & BLACK FLAG! Does that make me a communist or a fascist, or both?
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Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:48 pm
mountaintiger7
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
Shady Groves wrote:
All in the Family Bloodlines and Heritage ....... RED FLAG... RED FLAG.... Danger Will Robertson, Danger!!
........ Given the evidence and the questions raised there is STRONG indication that the Dunham Family were and are a 1930s - 1940s SOVIET SLEEPER AGENTS! The Soviets at this time did in fact put whole families of them into the United States during 30s. This family was turned or had strong hidden Pro-Communist leanings and thus willing agents of the "Communist Revolution." ...... Just some observations..
Shady
Very impressive Shady,
I am wondering, what is the implication given that the USSR is no longer?
If any sleeper of the 30's still had any alinement to the old protocol.
I would think that as times change so do the foundation of the original beliefs.
An example of which is a form of capitalism in China and Russia now, previously ardent non capitalists.
So that too would apply to the old style philosophy and some or most of supposed mission would be invalid.
Meaning that this could have been a mission back in the 30's but would it really have been a mission of Russia or would it more likely have been a mission of the Illumitoy?
Not to stir the pot, would this not seem beyond the normal capacity of the russian government in 1930?
You are talking about a 79 year plan!
MT7
Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:09 pm
Shady Groves
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Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
"Ward I'm worried about Beaver. He's been hanging around his new friends from the Young Child Stars of the World United Workers Labor Party. Miss Crabapple found him distrubitiong revolutionary pamplets on the playground."
"Was there any violance dear?"
"No but I'm worried."
"I'm sure its nothing dear. All young boys go threw this phase.. I'm sure he'll grow out of it."
"Oh geee mom! Eddie put me up to it! He told me as soon my cuteness factor wears off its all down hill from there. All I have left is "Where are they now talkshows to look forward to!."
So here is Stanley Ann being taught hardcore "Socialist Liberation Philosophy" in her High School???? Hold on for one cotton picking minute. This is ALSO the Era of the "The Red Scare" Jospeh McCarthy, Hollywood Black lIsts.. Hell even Robert Ophenimmer (Father of the Atom Bomb) loses his Security Clearence for being a "Leftist with Communist Leanings.. YET YET Stanely Ann's HIGH SCHOOL TEACHERS are allowed to teach hardcore Socialist Liberation Theology in high school?!? RED FLAG RED FLAG!!
Hmmmm...... I can't find where the claim is made that she was taught "hardcore Socialist Liberation Philosophy in her high school". (Or, as you say in the next sentence, Socialst Liberation Theology.) Do you have a link for that, Shady?
Speaking of, I had to read both "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" in high school. RED FLAG! RED & BLACK FLAG! Does that make me a communist or a fascist, or both?
Don, to answer your question on what you read, No it just makes you more informed. By the way, I also read both somewhere between 7 & 9 grade.
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