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Speaking of, I had to read both "The Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" in high school. RED FLAG! RED & BLACK FLAG! Does that make me a communist or a fascist, or both?

October 18, 2009
News Analysis
Russia’s Leaders See China as Template for Ruling
By CLIFFORD J. LEVY

MOSCOW — Nearly two decades after the collapse of the Communist Party, Russia’s rulers have hit upon a model for future success: the Communist Party.

Or at least, the one that reigns next door.

Like an envious underachiever, Vladimir V. Putin’s party, United Russia, is increasingly examining how it can emulate the Chinese Communist Party, especially its skill in shepherding China through the financial crisis relatively unbowed.

United Russia’s leaders even convened a special meeting this month with senior Chinese Communist Party officials to hear firsthand how they wield power.

In truth, the Russians express no desire to return to Communism as a far-reaching Marxist-Leninist ideology, whether the Soviet version or the much attenuated one in Beijing. What they admire, it seems, is the Chinese ability to use a one-party system to keep tight control over the country while still driving significant economic growth.

It is a historical turnabout that resonates, given that the Chinese Communists were inspired by the Soviets, before the two sides had a lengthy rift.

For the Russians, what matters is the countries’ divergent paths in recent decades. They are acutely aware that even as Russia has endured many dark days in its transition to a market economy, China appears to have carried out a fairly similar shift more artfully.

The Russians also seem almost ashamed that their economy is highly dependent on oil, gas and other natural resources, as if Russia were a third world nation, while China excels at manufacturing products sought by the world.

“The accomplishments of China’s Communist Party in developing its government deserve the highest marks,” Aleksandr D. Zhukov, a deputy prime minister and senior Putin aide, declared at the meeting with Chinese officials on Oct. 9 in the border city of Suifenhe, China, northwest of Vladivostok. “The practical experience they have should be intensely studied.”

Mr. Zhukov invited President Hu Jintao, general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, to United Russia’s convention, in November in St. Petersburg.

The meeting in Suifenhe capped several months of increased contacts between the political parties. In the spring, a high-level United Russia delegation visited Beijing for several days of talks, and United Russia announced that it would open an office in Beijing for its research arm.

The fascination with the Chinese Communist Party underscores United Russia’s lack of a core philosophy. The party has functioned largely as an arm of Mr. Putin’s authority, even campaigning on the slogan “Putin’s Plan.” Lately, it has championed “Russian Conservatism,” without detailing what exactly that is.

Indeed, whether United Russia’s effort to learn from the Chinese Communist Party is anything more than an intellectual exercise is an open question.

Whatever the motivation, Russia in recent years has started moving toward the Chinese model politically and economically. After the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia plunged into capitalism haphazardly, selling off many industries and loosening regulation. Under Mr. Putin, the government has reversed course, seizing more control over many sectors.

Today, both countries govern with a potent centralized authority, overseeing economies with a mix of private and state industries, although the Russians have long seemed less disciplined in doing so.

Corruption is worse in Russia than China, according to global indexes, and foreign companies generally consider Russia’s investment climate less hospitable as well, in part because of less respect for property rights.

Russia has also been unable to match China in modernizing roads, airports, power plants and other infrastructure. And Russia is grappling with myriad health and social problems that have reduced the average life expectancy for men to 60. One consequence is a demographic crisis that is expected to drag down growth.

The world financial crisis accentuated comparisons between the economies, drawing attention to Moscow’s policies. In June, the World Bank projected that China’s economy would grow by 7.2 percent in 2009, while Russia’s would shrink by 7.9 percent.

Politically, Russia remains more open than China, with independent (though often co-opted) opposition parties and more freedom of speech. The most obvious contrast involves the Internet, which is censored in China but not in Russia.

Even so, Mr. Putin’s political aides have long studied how to move the political system to the kind that took root for many decades in countries like Japan and Mexico, with a de facto one-party government under a democratic guise, political analysts said. The Russians tend to gloss over the fact that in many of those countries, long-serving ruling parties have fallen.

The Kremlin’s strategy was apparent in regional elections last week, when United Russia lieutenants and government officials used strong-arm tactics to squeeze out opposition parties, according to nonpartisan monitoring organizations. United Russia won the vast majority of contests across the country.

Far behind was the Russian Communist Party, which styles itself as the successor to the Soviet one and has some popularity among older people. The Russian Communists have also sought to build ties to their Chinese brethren, but the Chinese leadership prefers to deal with Mr. Putin’s party.

The regional elections highlighted how the Russian government and United Russia have become ever more intertwined. State-run television channels offer highly favorable coverage of the party, and the courts rarely if ever rule against it. United Russia leaders openly acknowledged that they wanted to study how the Chinese maintained the correct balance between the party and government.

“We are interested in the experience of the party and government structures in China, where cooperation exists between the ruling party and the judicial, legislative and executive authorities,” Vladimir E. Matkhanov, a deputy in Russia’s Parliament, said at the Suifenhe meeting, according to a transcript.

United Russia praises the Chinese system without mentioning its repressive aspects. And the party’s stance also appears to clash with repeated declarations by Mr. Putin, the former president and current prime minister, and President Dmitri A. Medvedev that Russia needs a robust multiparty system to thrive.

The two endorsed the results of Sunday’s local elections, despite widespread reports of fraud, prompting opposition politicians to call their words hollow.

Sergei S. Mitrokhin, leader of Yabloko, a liberal, pro-Western party that was trounced, said the elections revealed the Kremlin’s true aspirations. And the China talks made them all the more clear, Mr. Mitrokhin said.

“To me, the China meeting demonstrated that United Russia wants to establish a single-party dictatorship in Russia, for all time,” he said.

Throughout recent centuries, Russia has flirted with both the West and East, its identity never quite settled, and analysts said that under Mr. Putin, the political leadership had grown scornful of the idea that the country had to embrace Western notions of democracy or governing.

That in part stems from the backlash stirred in the 1990s, after the Soviet fall, when Russia faced economic hardship and political chaos, which many Putin supporters say the West helped to cause.

Dmitri Kosyrev, a political commentator for Russia’s state news agency and author of detective novels set in Asia, said it was only natural that the Kremlin would cast its gaze to the East.

“When they discovered that there was a way to reform a formally socialist nation into something much better and more efficient, of course they would take note,” Mr. Kosyrev said. “Everyone here sees China as the model, because Russia is not the model.”

Very impressive Shady,

I am wondering, what is the implication given that the USSR is no longer?

If any sleeper of the 30's still had any alinement to the old protocol.

I would think that as times change so do the foundation of the original beliefs.

An example of which is a form of capitalism in China and Russia now, previously ardent non capitalists.

So that too would apply to the old style philosophy and some or most of supposed mission would be invalid.

Meaning that this could have been a mission back in the 30's but would it really have been a mission of Russia or would it more likely have been a mission of the Illumitoy?

Not to stir the pot, would this not seem beyond the normal capacity of the russian government in 1930?

You are talking about a 79 year plan!

MT7

Forbes Magazine
French official says U.S. trying to inflate away debt
10.20.09, 06:30 AM EDT

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/10 ... 18936.html

PARIS, Oct 20 (Reuters) - The United States is pumping out liquidity to try to inflate away its debt, leading to the depreciation of the U.S. dollar, Henri Guaino, a top advisor to French President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Tuesday.

He told reporters on the sidelines of a conference of Sarkozy's ruling UMP party that the United States was 'flooding the world with liquidity'.
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Guaino worried about a risk of an inflationary cycle.

'Historically, we have only ever got out of such situations with inflation. We can also get out with deflation, but it's much more painful politically, socially,' he said.

'How can we stop the depreciation against the euro, if not by creating euros? The result is that you create inflation.'

But 'if we lose control of inflation and there is hyperinflation, it's a catastrophe for everyone,' he added.

INTERESTING - FROM RMN:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/fo ... ead=158600

The PTB behind the cover-up are undoubtedly using -- although this can't be proven -- some form of directed beam technology to expose people on their "watch lists" to deadly ionizing radiation. I suppose the Power Elite saw it as a tacit way to keep scientists and others who may have been open to the idea of helping those "pushing the disclosure envelope" in check.

Drugmakers, Doctors Rake in Billions Battling H1N1 Flu

Swine Flu Is Bad for Victims, But Good for Businesses That Cater to Expanding Market
By DALIA FAHMY Oct. 14, 2009

Americans are still debating whether to roll up their sleeves for a swine flu shot, but companies have already figured it out: vaccines are good for business.

(/ABC News)
Drug companies have sold $1.5 billion worth of swine flu shots, in addition to the $1 billion for seasonal flu they booked earlier this year. These inoculations are part of a much wider and rapidly growing $20 billion global vaccine market.
"The vaccine market is booming," says Bruce Carlson, spokesperson at market research firm Kalorama, which publishes an annual survey of the vaccine industry. "It's an enormous growth area for pharmaceuticals at a time when other areas are not doing so well," he says, noting that the pipeline for more traditional blockbuster drugs such as Lipitor and Nexium has thinned.
As always with pandemic flus, taxpayers are footing the $1.5 billion check for the 250 million swine flu vaccines that the government has ordered so far and will be distributing free to doctors, pharmacies and schools. In addition, Congress has set aside more than $10 billion this year to research flu viruses, monitor H1N1's progress and educate the public about prevention.
Drugmakers pocket most of the revenues from flu sales, with Sanofi-Pasteur, Glaxo Smith Kline and Novartis cornering most of the market.
But some say it's not just drugmakers who stand to benefit. Doctors collect copayments for special office visits to inject shots, and there have been assertions that these doctors actually profit handsomely from these vaccinations.
It is a notion that Dr. Lori Heim, president of the American Academy of Family Practitioners, says is simply not true.
"According to most of the physicians I have talked to, the administration of these vaccines is done for the community's benefit as opposed to anything that helps profit," she says. Heim adds that even though doctors will not have to shell out for the H1N1 vaccine, they will bear the usual costs associated with storage and administering the shots.
"There is an administration fee, for the costs that you can't get reimbursed through Medicare or Medicaid," she says. "This is usually less than, or right at the break-even point."
Still, pharmacies also charge co-payments or full price of about $25 to those without insurance and often make more money if patients end up shopping for other goods.
"Flu shots present a good opportunity to bring new customers into our stores," says Cassie Richardson, spokesperson for SUPERVALU, one of the country's largest supermarket chains. Drawing customers to the back of a store, where pharmacies are often located, offers retailers a chance to pitch products that might otherwise go unnoticed.
Even companies outside of the medical industry are benefiting: the UPS division that delivers vaccines in specially designed containers, for example, has seen a bump in business.

New Entrants in Flu Shot Business
The intensifying competition has irked some doctors.
"Retailers and other non-medical professionals have siphoned off the passive income that once helped to cover medical overhead," says Dr. Caroline Abruzese, an internist in Atlanta. "The larger retail chains can invest up front in large volumes of vaccine at low prices, and market to customers already in their stores."
The promise of profits has attracted new players into the business. Some of the world's largest drugmakers, who in the past avoided the vaccine market because of its limited scope -- its not easy to convince healthy adults to get a shot for measles -- are now jumping into the fray.
Last month alone saw three large vaccine deals. Abbott Labs bought a Belgian drug business, along with its flu vaccine facilities, for $6.6 billion. Johnson & Johnson invested $444 million in a Dutch biotech firm that makes and develops flu vaccines. Merck, which already makes vaccines for shingles and other diseases, struck a deal to distribute flu shots made by Australian CSL.
Smaller biotechs are also angling for a slice of the action, making vaccines one of the fastest-growing areas of research in the biotech industry.
Large and small drugmakers are drawn to the business largely because of scientific advances that promise to radically expand the range of health problems that vaccines can address. In addition to preventing childhood diseases such as measles and polio, vaccines can now also ward off cervical cancer, and researchers are working on vaccines for HIV and tuberculosis.
Scientists believe they can create therapeutic vaccines than treat diseases such as Alzheimers and diabetes after they have set in. (At least one company is betting on a vaccine that helps cigarette smokers quit.)
"These innovations broaden the market potential for vaccine makers and partly explained the renewed interest by drugmakers," says Anthony Cox, a professor at Indiana University's Kelley School of Business who specializes in the marketing of medical products.
But Mark Grayson, a spokesperson for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, which represents the country's leading pharmaceutical research and biotechnology companies, says that drugmakers are also compelled by the government to join efforts to ensure that there is enough vaccine to go around.
"Because of national security implications, the government felt that they needed to encourage and ask [vaccine manufacturers] to move much quicker," he says. Grayson adds that vaccine manufacturers also face significant costs; aside from the expense of fitting a new vaccine into a tight production schedule, drugmakers GlaxoSmithKline and Sanofi Pasteur were forced to acquire new vaccine production facilities in recent years to keep up with demand.

Alternatives to Vaccines Are Few
While this promise of new treatments for painful diseases brings hope to many, vaccines continue to attract critics. The National Vaccine Information Center, a non-profit advocacy group, is at the forefront of a movement demanding that vaccines be tested more thoroughly before hitting the market. Although there has been little evidence to support their claim, detractors -- including the comedian Jim Carrey -- believe that vaccines are at least partly to blame for the sharp rise in autism in recent decades.
The swine flu vaccine has also attracted its share of critics. Frank Lipman, a New York-based doctor who specializes in a mix of Western and alternative medicine, points out that the swine flu is rarely fatal and that it's too early to tell if it's safe because it hasn't been widely tested.
Others argue that Americans have little choice. The cost of a widespread pandemic, similar to Spanish Flu outbreak in 1918, which killed 675,000 Americans (and 50 million worldwide), would be devastating. The Trust for America's Health, a Washington-based non-profit organization, estimates that a severe pandemic could push down GDP by more than 5 percent and cost Americans $683 billion.
"We're not seeing a pandemic that's this severe," says Jeff Levi, director of Trust for Americas Health. "We've dodged a lot of bullets."

Regarding "evidence", Steph..... if we consider the possibility or plausibility of a Coverup that is bent on preventing something so catastrophic as a poleshift from becoming known by the public populations, a Coverup that was given power at the highest level (as Pres. Truman supposedly commissioned MJ-12 in 1947) to use any and all federal gov't. agencies to effect, then we are automatically and by definition virtually stripped of "solid, substantial proof" - unlike most other scientific research endeavors. This is one reason why we're hamstrung in many respects, and by default become more reliant on the logic of a claim than evidence might provide. Some of these fast-acting cancers are exactly that - very very fast-acting. Allegedly Peter Jennings of ABC News suffered a similar fate, though from the pro-Disclosure faction within the CotM. It doesn't mean that Harrington didn't complain privately his suspicions, or even that he had any. Based on what we've been told about Harrington's death, I can't "prove" to you unequivocally that he was assassinated because of his pro-Disclosure of PX stance; by the same token, neither you or anyone else can prove that he wasn't. Now, if we had a history of previous bouts with cancer, instances where he was hospitalized and medical records stating that he suffered from the condition, etc, we might logically deduce that it's even less likely that a fast-acting agent was used to kill him prematurely. On the other hand, he was reportedly in excellent health when he headed down to New Zealand and suddenly died, which lends more plausibility to the logic that he was indeed assassinated. Furthermore we have a record of he and Sitchin sitting together for interviews and discussions; at least one that I've watched. They shared an interest in the "tenth planet" that was well-known. What wasn't well known, or logically deduced at the time by those that should have been forewarned, is that the information about its location/existence/distance/speed, etc, was indeed classified "higher than the H-Bomb", as Canadian Wilbert Smith said.

As to the nature and intention of the entities Ms. Lieder is telepathically communicating with - as opposed to [i]channelling, which takes place between densities (Nancy states her contacts are on the 2nd floor of her home on Sat. evenings to handle the GLP chat questions) - she and they have stated it often and in plain language. They too are from the Zeta Reticuli star system (I forget if they are from the 4th planet out from one of the 2 foci, and the J-Rods from the 7th planet out, or vice-versa) and their intention is to take their place of responsibility to do what so very very few humans have accepted on the face of it - help to genetically engineer the new model of humanoid that will be the next advancement of humanity (like cro-magnon to neanderthal, homo sapiens, etc) following the coming poleshift. That's their claim, anyway, one that oddly enough I first found raised in my readings of Oahspe at about the same time I was hearing from Dan B.'s "associates".

That is what the Zetas claim. As I've stated often; when I first read the ZetaTalk site, and the main claims on the front page, I was disbelieving at the point of snorting my disdain for such fanciful and delusional claims. Seriously. Many here had that reaction too, and still do. Yourself included. And I wouldn't want to "convert" you to believing their claims merely by the logic of what they say, as I often look to your 'rational' perspective to help keep a sense of balance, because even now I have occasional bouts of resistance to their 'message'. If it wasn't for the fact that certain 'insiders' connected to Burisch's projects pointed me there, along with a secure web-page that NASA had on the internet that showed 'IT', along with some 'specifications' that pertained to its mass, etc, then I would probably still have left ZT where I first found it, having given it short shrift at the time. That isn't the same as saying that simply due to those 2 "pointers" was I convinced of the validity of ZT, but it gave me enough pause to reconsider and then thoroughly study the entire body of work, which is rather extensive and contains quite a bit of science that resonates logically. Which I would encourage, if only to be able to debate the relative merits of the logic employed.

But like you said, we'll politely agree to disagree on Nancy's "credibility". If I didn't have the additional experience of a number of 'insiders' that have emphatically yet soberly insisted that their community pays an incredible amount of attention to what she says, I might be of the same mindset as you. Really. I didn't come to my understanding lightly, particularly when it comes to such an admonishing character as she is.

Incidentally, while I can understand the knee-jerk reactions other "conspiracy forums" have when dealing with real shills, there's no excuse for people to respond to you in such a hostile manner when they're being questioned about their beliefs. I'm sorry you've encountered that. Let them elucidate what they believe in, though I would advise withholding any rebuke for their presentations that don't include "solid proof". They should still be civil, and should still be able to explain why they believe in something, and not simply because someone else said it.

Thanks for the reply, Don.[/i]

Very cool! THanks for posting! This most assuredly going into my save for future reference files!

Back in 1997 there was a website called Para-Vision it was run by a hardcore Physicist who was also a para-psychologist / ghost hunter.

He did a very very convincing Scientific arguuement and paper on Orbs what they really are.

Basically along the lines of what you posted. That a orb is electro-magnetic shell surrounding a micro dot of messurable and classfiable exotic matter. It is this microdot that is what we term the soul. The orb (eletromagnetic shell) that forms around it is this phyical universes attempt to isolate the exotic matter poking into this universe from a parallel universe.

Speaking as Communist... in order to make a point.


1. Do you think that Communism or more to the point "The Revolution" ever died?

2. Now that the Capitalists and their Economy has Collasped. Its time to raise the Red Banners HIGH! Victory is at hand!
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3. The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/world ... nted=print

An interesting Mini-Series premiering soon, watch the extended trailer:

THE PRISONER - ..."YOU ONLY THINK YOU'RE FREE..."
http://www.amctv.com/videos/the-prisone ... 0345659001

Here is a bit of lightness with sightings to boot....
http://dingo.care-mail.com/cards/flash/5409/galaxy.swf
Must have sound for this one.

An interesting Mini-Series premiering soon, watch the extended trailer:

THE PRISONER - ..."YOU ONLY THINK YOU'RE FREE..."
http://www.amctv.com/videos/the-prisone ... 0345659001

Several decades ago, Latvian filmmaker Albert Jekste produced a grim, gripping documentary entitled "My Latvia" depicting the Soviet conquest and occupation of the Baltic States.

A documentary features of the illegal Soviet military occupation of the Baltic states in 1940. This unusual film, which illuminates communist methods of internal subversion and conquest, includes rare scenes of Stalin and other Soviet leaders attending closed Kremlin meetings, and examines the criminal background of the Latvian nationals who "invited" the Soviets into that country and subsequently assumed high communist government posts.

Funny thing about the communist manifesto, everything that they said that they will do to the US has happened. They said that they will destroy our children with sex and drugs. It happened. They said that they will have controll of the media. It happened. They said that they will have us seeking fun and pleasure while our congress runs amuck and wont know what happened. It happened. Etc. I dont remember much more but those are the ones that stuck with me for a long time.

Amazing speech about vaccines and 'death by medicine'
Just jawdropping - the truth! They DO cause autism in children. They DO cause autoimmune diseases. They DO kill people. All for profit the Big Pharma make a killing - literally. No vaccine is proven to work!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XlJB7J5-o

Oh and if you guys don't get it why you should be concerned about President Obama making a shyt load of "Czar's" in his official White House.. Czar's who all come out of Hardcore Pro Marxist Left Wing Politics..

You should read this piece on Rense...

Obama's Jewish Grandfather

http://www.henrymakow.com/is_obama_lite ... as_fi.html



I end my political rant for the day... back to UFO news...

Shady

The illuminati aren't hard core communists. They are hard core fascists. The poster on their bedroom wall features a photo of Adolph Hitler, not Karl Marx.