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Don - if you have power, would love to hear what you experience during Irene.

East Texas and I are headed that way next week. :roll

Please folks all along the Eastern US seaboard, pay attention to your emergency management folks.

I know many of us are weary and have negative viewpoints regarding Homeland Security and FEMA but they are there to do a job.

They learned a lot from Katrina as evidenced by Mayor Bloomberg's actions yesterday and this morning. He gets a big ole :heart for moving the most vulnerable in his city out of harm's way. IMHO, this is a direct result of Katrina.

Stay safe, all! :candle

P.S. - I saw our local electric company trucks lined up in a convoy headed your way late yesterday. Simply returning the favor after our disaster. So if you see some Centerpoint Energy trucks in your area - give 'em a big ole Howdy 'cause they're good ole Texas boys! :clap :silly

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Good advice on the Hurricane thread as well as in the GT Blue thanks for your efforts :clap

I think the Video's that Lynn found are worth repeating on the new thread, great find Lynn :clap :clap


Lynnwood wrote:
Found this at GLP



My question would be, IS THAT CAMERA POINTED SOUTH?

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WOW. CHECK THIS OUT.



And one more:



There is no doubt in my mind that SOMETHING is going on both with the moon and that Comet Video :awe

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FYI Folks as per some links in the comments from above posted video posted by Lynn, it is confirmed that the video is of Elenin as viewed in Auckland New Zealand.

Confirm it yourself with this video...


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I know Don says that Elenin is a distraction but after seeing that Video posted by Lynn I would think this is undeniable that it is in fact coming towards us..

Check out this gentleman's Video and the corresponding dates of Earthquakes



September 6th 2011 is the next date to watch out for a big quake, then again on September 10th, let's see if he is right :hmm

November 2nd 2011 we enter it's tail and I would think we will be going through a allot debris but I am no expert.

I would love to hear others thoughts on all this

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L2L wrote:
I know Don says that Elenin is a distraction but after seeing that Video posted by Lynn I would think this is undeniable that it is in fact coming towards us..

I would love to hear others thoughts on all this


If you've carefully read what I've posted, I haven't dismissed the existence of an actual 'comet' that was intentionally named "Elenin". Some distractions are very complex; this is one of them. Yes, there's a "comet" involved, but it's a distraction from the real McCoy. The 'comet' won't be causing the poleshift, so it's been used as a 'straw man' by NASA - which thinks it's having its cake and eating it too. I've been trying to catalog the out-and-out liars (a/k/a 'NASA spokesmen') that come out with the debunking nonsense and dripping in ridicule, because we should not - and will not - forget who exactly lied to us. They'll try to use the old Nazi excuse - "we were only following orders" - but like then, that excuse won't hold up when the time comes to call them individually to account.

Here are two of them:
Don Yeomans of NASA’s Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and
David Morrison of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the NASA Ames Research Center

Their use of the misleading image that purports to show a "brown dwarf" as 4 times bigger than Jupiter is especially egregious. That's yet another 'straw man'; when the Real McCoy shows up, they'll profess bewilderment, saying "it's only 4-1/2 times the size of Earth, we couldn't see that...but something 4 times the size of Jupiter we WOULD have seen, so ergo we're absolved". Tell that to the tar and feathers.

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Nice Muzak!



They used some of this music in Duke Nukem forever



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I have just watched this vid and am highly impressed by the message. The first time I have seen All the info we have all discussed put into one sequence - including the False Alien invasion. October 28 is the day being focussed on (as per Callerman's view the Mayan calendar) and the Blue and Red Kachina Hopi prophecies fit in nicely.

It is a long show, but I do recommend watching to the end. I have actually copied this show, and will be distributing it to some local friends who don't have resources to access this. A good education on all the puzzle pieces anyway...

Sixty two days to go for the Shift of the Age...

This is going to be one interesting two months!!





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Here is a new one pairing Irene with a UFO over it, flys right past a satellite.



Could it be steering Irene? I wonder who is controlling it, humans (hidden secret technology being used in the battle to control mankind), or possibly friendly off-worlders assisting humanity in sending a message to the criminal elements of the east coast. Or possibly the criminal elements causing the destruction as a cover for disposing of documents and records that would convict them of their crimes.

And the beat goes on...

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Irene is not dangerous as a Category 1 Hurricane, it's danger stems from it's size, and the fact it is moving slowly.

Get perspective here:




Here's some links I gathered to watch Irene

http://weather.myfoxtampabay.com/maps/W ... odels.html
http://content.wdtinc.com/popout/index. ... 62&O=10237
http://stormscapelive.com/
http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/
http://www.webcamplaza.net/cams/hurricane1.html
http://www.instacam.com/search.asp?sear ... type=state
http://www.surfchex.com/nags-head-web-cam.php
http://www.chart.state.md.us/TravInfo/trafficcams.php#
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/maps/NorthCarolina.shtml

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This is cool - Fox made a slip, or did they? Watch at 56s point...




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Awesome footage taken by NASA Astronauts of a tube shaped UFO flying between the Space Station and Hurricane Irene on 8-26-2011. It almost looks like it was released on PURPOSE!

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Hey Lynnwood - that's pretty cool. We found the same story. You must have posted while I was downloading the vid I posted, as I did not see your post till I did mine. Lol!

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That is cool Sky! I troll around all the best haunts and bring all the best stories here. I go to the original source link and don't post the link to the forum where I found it.


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(MrErikZilla)'s child found weird clouds MrEricZilla's channel



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Dondep wrote:
L2L wrote:
I know Don says that Elenin is a distraction but after seeing that Video posted by Lynn I would think this is undeniable that it is in fact coming towards us..

I would love to hear others thoughts on all this


If you've carefully read what I've posted, I haven't dismissed the existence of an actual 'comet' that was intentionally named "Elenin". Some distractions are very complex; this is one of them. Yes, there's a "comet" involved, but it's a distraction from the real McCoy. The 'comet' won't be causing the poleshift, so it's been used as a 'straw man' by NASA - which thinks it's having its cake and eating it too. I've been trying to catalog the out-and-out liars (a/k/a 'NASA spokesmen') that come out with the debunking nonsense and dripping in ridicule, because we should not - and will not - forget who exactly lied to us. They'll try to use the old Nazi excuse - "we were only following orders" - but like then, that excuse won't hold up when the time comes to call them individually to account.

Here are two of them:
Don Yeomans of NASA’s Near-Earth Object Program Office at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and
David Morrison of the NASA Astrobiology Institute at the NASA Ames Research Center

Their use of the misleading image that purports to show a "brown dwarf" as 4 times bigger than Jupiter is especially egregious. That's yet another 'straw man'; when the Real McCoy shows up, they'll profess bewilderment, saying "it's only 4-1/2 times the size of Earth, we couldn't see that...but something 4 times the size of Jupiter we WOULD have seen, so ergo we're absolved". Tell that to the tar and feathers.



Here is my two cents Don.
It seems to me that ELENIN is a comet, not a brown dwarf. There are a lot of spins and strange paralells. But if it were the brown dwarf we would not see the coma of the comet. In fact we may not see anything as a BD has a strong magnetic field. So my vote goes for the comet. The only problem that I could forsee is that it could hit us. Other then that no other problem.

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I may have discovered two new fault lines in the U.S. Earth quakes can happen any where, any time. But they usualy follow fault lines. There is a pattern emerging with the latest quakes. To me this pattern shows that there may be a new fault line cracking the U.S. in half. What do you think?

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the time traveler wrote:
the time traveler wrote:
the time traveler wrote:
I may have discovered two new fault lines in the U.S. Earth quakes can happen any where, any time. But they usualy follow fault lines. There is a pattern emerging with the latest quakes. To me this pattern shows that there may be a new fault line cracking the U.S. in half. What do you think?

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H E L P! It should! Image chicken is gone and this new one just wont work right. So what did I do wrong?


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Look at my new webcam MUCH better isn't it!

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fr33k, it may be newer and more vivid, but it's questionable whether the view is more, ah, 'preferable'. :tounge


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Here is my two cents Don.
It seems to me that ELENIN is a comet, not a brown dwarf. There are a lot of spins and strange paralells. But if it were the brown dwarf we would not see the coma of the comet. In fact we may not see anything as a BD has a strong magnetic field. So my vote goes for the comet. The only problem that I could forsee is that it could hit us. Other then that no other problem.


Let me ask you this, TT. First, we assume "ELE-nin" is a comet; yes, it probably 'exists'. But: have YOU personally seen Elenin? (Elenin is not the "brown dwarf", Nibiru is. ELE-nin is a type of cover story called a 'straw man', at least to many of us.). But perhaps you think that even 13 years after a movie is produced that has a fictional astronomer named Leo, who discovers a secret Coverup project named "Ellie", (after "E.xtinction L.evel E.vent; it's even discussed in the movie), about a comet that is allegedly supposed to impact earth, that miraculously a "real-life" (lmfao) 'Leo Elenin', who is supposedly a Russian astronomer, but with no data available online (until independent thinkers point it out and then it's miraculously produced), just happens to discover a comet that's going to "come awfully close" if not impact us in November? Do you seriously believe that such a coincidence is probable? Personally I feel our intelligence is being insulted, but like the Establishment has proven so many times over, many naively believe what is told to them from behind a government (that includes NASA) podium. That's just my too sense, but I'm seriously asking you if you believe such a thing is pure coincidence or not. Have you personally seen the "coma" of the comet, or have you witnessed what NASA wants you to witness? And what do you think would happen when a dirty snowball (what most 'comets' are) hits us?
Remember that nowhere ever ever ever ever has it been represented (except by NASA, when it employs the use of ridicule) that Nibiru will "hit" us. That's never been the proposition. However, in order for NASA to employ ELE-nin as the Straw Man in this context, it nearly always attempts to convey the false impression that "Planet X believers" claim that "Planet X" will "collide" with Earth. :nono baaaad NASA! Here's the Wiki on a 'Straw Man':

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A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.


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Here's are two examples of such a 'Straw man':

Straw man arguments often arise in public debates such as a (hypothetical) prohibition debate:
Person A: We should liberalize the laws on beer.
Person B: No, any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.
The proposal was to relax laws on beer. Person B has exaggerated this to a position harder to defend, i.e., "unrestricted access to intoxicants".[1] It is a logical fallacy because Person A never made that claim. This example is also a slippery slope fallacy.
Another example:
Person A: Our society should spend more money helping the poor.
Person B: Studies show that handouts don't work; they just create more poverty and humiliate the recipients. That money could be better spent.
In this case, Person B has transformed Person A's position from "more money" to "more handouts", which is easier for Person B to defeat.


Here's the reasoning behind it, and this should illustrate not only how Majestic has used NASA to bamboozle the public with Elenin, but also how they did it with Dan Burisch when they used him as their own personal 'stalking horse' (which also has a great Wiki entry, which I'll save for another time or you can google the Wiki on it):

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The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:
Person A has position X.
Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. Thus, Y is a resulting distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2]
Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.


(The above quote are courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man )

I asked a week or 2 - maybe even 3 weeks ago by now - if anyone thought it was just coincidence about the similarities between the real-world claims by a "Russian astronomer named Leo Elenin" and the characters and plot-line of the 1998 movie "Deep Impact". Is there anyone reading here that can champion the "just coincidence; nothing more" position? Time traveler? Thoughts? {Remember, that's a separate issue from any SOHO/LASCO/YouTube videos purporting to show said "Elenin" and/or "Nibiru" and/or "Wormwood" etc.}

Just as a refresher, here's the Wiki on "Deep Impact":

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On May 10, 1998, [adjective] amateur astronomer Leo _____ discovers an unusual object near the stars ..... He alerts professional astronomer ________ at an..... observatory. ______ "learns" ;) that the object is a comet, and calculates that it will hit the Earth, but ________ before the world is alerted.
[Some time] later, MSNBC reporter _______ investigates the resignation of _______ and his connection to an "Ellie". She discovers that Ellie is not a mistress but an acronym: "E.L.E.", for "Extinction-Level Event". Because of _____ investigation, [black] President of the United States (played by Morgan Freeman) advances the announcement of the grim facts: The comet—named _______—is ____ wide, large enough to destroy all life if it strikes Earth (although how the U.S. government learned of the comet's existence is not specified). The United States and Russia have been secretly constructing in orbit the spacecraft/space station, which they plan to [send on a mission to destroy/observe with telescopic equipment] the comet....... Life changes drastically worldwide, and both Leo .....become internet celebrities.
After _______ the comet, the [Messiah/ISS] crew members ________; one crew member [dies/is taken to an insane asylum]. When _______, [Messiah/ISS] is damaged and loses contact with Earth. Instead of being destroyed, the comet ___________ still world-threatening.
[black president] acknowledges [space station/spacecraft] failure, declares martial law, and announces that governments worldwide have been building underground shelters. The United States' national refuge is in [the Denver area].


Notice how eerily similar the current trendy paradigm of Elenin is to the fictional plot of 13 years ago, just by substituting or removing a few elements. I ask again; is it purely coincidence - or is there something more nefarious going on?

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Dondep wrote:

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I asked a week or 2 - maybe even 3 weeks ago by now - if anyone thought it was just coincidence about the similarities between the real-world claims by a "Russian astronomer named Leo Elenin" and the characters and plot-line of the 1998 movie "Deep Impact". Is there anyone reading here that can champion the "just coincidence; nothing more" position? Time traveler? Thoughts? {Remember, that's a separate issue from any SOHO/LASCO/YouTube videos purporting to show said "Elenin" and/or "Nibiru" and/or "Wormwood" etc.}

Just as a refresher, here's the Wiki on "Deep Impact":

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On May 10, 1998, [adjective] amateur astronomer Leo _____ discovers an unusual object near the stars ..... He alerts professional astronomer ________ at an..... observatory. ______ "learns" ;) that the object is a comet, and calculates that it will hit the Earth, but ________ before the world is alerted.
[Some time] later, MSNBC reporter _______ investigates the resignation of _______ and his connection to an "Ellie". She discovers that Ellie is not a mistress but an acronym: "E.L.E.", for "Extinction-Level Event". Because of _____ investigation, [black] President of the United States (played by Morgan Freeman) advances the announcement of the grim facts: The comet—named _______—is ____ wide, large enough to destroy all life if it strikes Earth (although how the U.S. government learned of the comet's existence is not specified). The United States and Russia have been secretly constructing in orbit the spacecraft/space station, which they plan to [send on a mission to destroy/observe with telescopic equipment] the comet....... Life changes drastically worldwide, and both Leo .....become internet celebrities.
After _______ the comet, the [Messiah/ISS] crew members ________; one crew member [dies/is taken to an insane asylum]. When _______, [Messiah/ISS] is damaged and loses contact with Earth. Instead of being destroyed, the comet ___________ still world-threatening.
[black president] acknowledges [space station/spacecraft] failure, declares martial law, and announces that governments worldwide have been building underground shelters. The United States' national refuge is in [the Denver area].


Notice how eerily similar the current trendy paradigm of Elenin is to the fictional plot of 13 years ago, just by substituting or removing a few elements. I ask again; is it purely coincidence - or is there something more nefarious going on?


Don, It certainly seems so, yes. It *could* just be that having learnt of the future through either time travel or ET saying so, our leaders have tried to warn the populace in underhand ways which will (they hope) get them off the hook for not having warned us in a direct way. ie: they will claim that they did issue warnings, its not their fault if few listened.

I am 'half-expecting' that later this year we will experience some sort of meteorite event... when Elenin passes between Earth and Sun (exactly 1 month from now) and / or when Earth passes through an area of space which Elenin had just passed through - late October or early November - again, this year.

Fireballs raining down from the sky? If so, let all of humankind be equally afflicted, so that no one religion / race / ethnic group etc can claim that their avoiding it was because they were 'favoured' (in a Biblical religious way) or they suffered more than any others.

We are now a global species and a global family. Maybe it needs an event such as this to make us understand this and end petty tribal wars.

(OK, possibly 'wishful' thinking but then one has to 'make a wish' to have a dream come true).

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re; Irene, in recent days I've seen messages in the dreams sections of earthboppin.net, prophecies.us and oroborusforum.com on the topic of flooding in NYC. Different people have have experienced different things, including flood waters surging through city streets and rats fleeing buildings in advance of the waters. Some dreams see the waters rising to the 3rd floor - this sounds high, although it may not be quite as severe as it sounds as I am not sure whether in the USA you count the street level floor as the 'ground floor' (which is what we do here in Britain) or as floor 1. Either way, one thing which pleases me ('aka: 'thank goodness things are being thought through - unlike Katrina') is that the Subway is being evacuated (hopefully drunks too) as otherwise it could have been about to become the site of massed deaths. Ok, the network being flooded will be 'very severe', but at least the trains will not be full of passengers when the waters arrive.

I have some friends whose only son lives near the South Shore - I've never been to NYC but I understand that this area is right on the water's edge and in a nutshell it seems to me that with 10-12ft (4 mtr) storm surges being talked about so if they are not fleeing then they will probably drown. (sorry if I sound emotionally cold in the way I say this, its just that there is nothing I can do about their possible fate, and to contemplate the full implications would be emotionally devastating).

Moving on to other topics, its not that I want to pour oil on a fire but I've also seen recent predictive chatter suggesting that the coming month will be notable for quakes. Including more (and larger) affecting NYC and DC.

Then there are the financial matters, now that the holidays are over (especially in the European PIIGS)....

Oh and the webbots....

Then there is this video (below)... if you thought that August was 'severe' then you should hibernate 'right now'!

The long awaited shi(f)t is upon us!

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(The below statement's have proved to be correct. I've see the the discovery photo's, but for some reason history texts haven't caught up. They're rocks, not snow balls as prevously believed...Dex)

We have suggested that the nucleus of a comet can be considered an electret. An electret is a permanently electrified substance. If it is separated into pieces, each piece will be electrified. Due to its small size, the effect of charge polarization within an electrified comet will be small. We might expect, therefore, that its gravitationally measured mass will be lower than expected for the same rocky mass if it were on the Earth's surface. In other words, if comets look like solid rock they probably are solid rock. If this model is correct, simple Newtonian calculations of density and composition that assume G is a universal constant will be misleading.

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Dondep wrote:
fr33k, it may be newer and more vivid, but it's questionable whether the view is more, ah, 'preferable'. :tounge


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Here is my two cents Don.
It seems to me that ELENIN is a comet, not a brown dwarf. There are a lot of spins and strange paralells. But if it were the brown dwarf we would not see the coma of the comet. In fact we may not see anything as a BD has a strong magnetic field. So my vote goes for the comet. The only problem that I could forsee is that it could hit us. Other then that no other problem.


Let me ask you this, TT. First, we assume "ELE-nin" is a comet; yes, it probably 'exists'. But: have YOU personally seen Elenin? (Elenin is not the "brown dwarf", Nibiru is. ELE-nin is a type of cover story called a 'straw man', at least to many of us.). But perhaps you think that even 13 years after a movie is produced that has a fictional astronomer named Leo, who discovers a secret Coverup project named "Ellie", (after "E.xtinction L.evel E.vent; it's even discussed in the movie), about a comet that is allegedly supposed to impact earth, that miraculously a "real-life" (lmfao) 'Leo Elenin', who is supposedly a Russian astronomer, but with no data available online (until independent thinkers point it out and then it's miraculously produced), just happens to discover a comet that's going to "come awfully close" if not impact us in November? Do you seriously believe that such a coincidence is probable? Personally I feel our intelligence is being insulted, but like the Establishment has proven so many times over, many naively believe what is told to them from behind a government (that includes NASA) podium. That's just my too sense, but I'm seriously asking you if you believe such a thing is pure coincidence or not. Have you personally seen the "coma" of the comet, or have you witnessed what NASA wants you to witness? And what do you think would happen when a dirty snowball (what most 'comets' are) hits us?
Remember that nowhere ever ever ever ever has it been represented (except by NASA, when it employs the use of ridicule) that Nibiru will "hit" us. That's never been the proposition. However, in order for NASA to employ ELE-nin as the Straw Man in this context, it nearly always attempts to convey the false impression that "Planet X believers" claim that "Planet X" will "collide" with Earth. :nono baaaad NASA! Here's the Wiki on a 'Straw Man':

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A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.


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Here's are two examples of such a 'Straw man':

Straw man arguments often arise in public debates such as a (hypothetical) prohibition debate:
Person A: We should liberalize the laws on beer.
Person B: No, any society with unrestricted access to intoxicants loses its work ethic and goes only for immediate gratification.
The proposal was to relax laws on beer. Person B has exaggerated this to a position harder to defend, i.e., "unrestricted access to intoxicants".[1] It is a logical fallacy because Person A never made that claim. This example is also a slippery slope fallacy.
Another example:
Person A: Our society should spend more money helping the poor.
Person B: Studies show that handouts don't work; they just create more poverty and humiliate the recipients. That money could be better spent.
In this case, Person B has transformed Person A's position from "more money" to "more handouts", which is easier for Person B to defeat.


Here's the reasoning behind it, and this should illustrate not only how Majestic has used NASA to bamboozle the public with Elenin, but also how they did it with Dan Burisch when they used him as their own personal 'stalking horse' (which also has a great Wiki entry, which I'll save for another time or you can google the Wiki on it):

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The straw man fallacy occurs in the following pattern of argument:
Person A has position X.
Person B disregards certain key points of X and instead presents the superficially similar position Y. Thus, Y is a resulting distorted version of X and can be set up in several ways, including:
Presenting a misrepresentation of the opponent's position.
Quoting an opponent's words out of context — i.e. choosing quotations that misrepresent the opponent's actual intentions (see fallacy of quoting out of context).[2]
Presenting someone who defends a position poorly as the defender, then refuting that person's arguments — thus giving the appearance that every upholder of that position (and thus the position itself) has been defeated.[1]
Inventing a fictitious persona with actions or beliefs which are then criticized, implying that the person represents a group of whom the speaker is critical.
Oversimplifying an opponent's argument, then attacking this oversimplified version.
Person B attacks position Y, concluding that X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious, because attacking a distorted version of a position fails to constitute an attack on the actual position.


(The above quote are courtesy of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man )

I asked a week or 2 - maybe even 3 weeks ago by now - if anyone thought it was just coincidence about the similarities between the real-world claims by a "Russian astronomer named Leo Elenin" and the characters and plot-line of the 1998 movie "Deep Impact". Is there anyone reading here that can champion the "just coincidence; nothing more" position? Time traveler? Thoughts? {Remember, that's a separate issue from any SOHO/LASCO/YouTube videos purporting to show said "Elenin" and/or "Nibiru" and/or "Wormwood" etc.}

Just as a refresher, here's the Wiki on "Deep Impact":

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On May 10, 1998, [adjective] amateur astronomer Leo _____ discovers an unusual object near the stars ..... He alerts professional astronomer ________ at an..... observatory. ______ "learns" ;) that the object is a comet, and calculates that it will hit the Earth, but ________ before the world is alerted.
[Some time] later, MSNBC reporter _______ investigates the resignation of _______ and his connection to an "Ellie". She discovers that Ellie is not a mistress but an acronym: "E.L.E.", for "Extinction-Level Event". Because of _____ investigation, [black] President of the United States (played by Morgan Freeman) advances the announcement of the grim facts: The comet—named _______—is ____ wide, large enough to destroy all life if it strikes Earth (although how the U.S. government learned of the comet's existence is not specified). The United States and Russia have been secretly constructing in orbit the spacecraft/space station, which they plan to [send on a mission to destroy/observe with telescopic equipment] the comet....... Life changes drastically worldwide, and both Leo .....become internet celebrities.
After _______ the comet, the [Messiah/ISS] crew members ________; one crew member [dies/is taken to an insane asylum]. When _______, [Messiah/ISS] is damaged and loses contact with Earth. Instead of being destroyed, the comet ___________ still world-threatening.
[black president] acknowledges [space station/spacecraft] failure, declares martial law, and announces that governments worldwide have been building underground shelters. The United States' national refuge is in [the Denver area].


Notice how eerily similar the current trendy paradigm of Elenin is to the fictional plot of 13 years ago, just by substituting or removing a few elements. I ask again; is it purely coincidence - or is there something more nefarious going on?



Don, I base my statement "it is a comet" on the photo on the net. That photo IS a comet. Yes everything that you say is logical. I do think that the earth will change it's axis by some 45 degrees. It is however the mechanics that I am not sure of. Ancient history tells us that a pole shift HAS with out a doubt happened in the past, as does religin. (The Pope has observatories to find wormwood. ) And it will happen again.
Now here is where the problem comes in. Time travel, aliens, TPTB lies and manipulation. The power of mans thoughts and unknown realities.
Deep impact was a movie that many people saw. So did the mind of so many people thinking the same thought actualy create the situation? That is the basis of prayor! Many praying at once can heal.
Or was the movie a warning of things to come actualy given by whistle blowers, or the government itself.
Another thing is that the new world order ( inspired by the devil ) has the ability through HARP, hollograms, earth quakes generation and so on to create a situation that will seem like we were hit by a comet. (or a flase flag event ) All they have to do ( maybe I should not even say this for fear they may coppy it) is to find an area that is isolated by mountains or is in a small vally. A place like Phonex AZ that is surrounded by mountains and saturate the area with a fuel air mix and ignate it. The results would seem like a nuke or a comet strike. Then they can start the takeover.

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Okay, so we now have the proposition (thank you both, Simon and Time Traveler - aptly named as you are!) that the movie plot was based on an awareness of future events that was acquired through 'time travel', as opposed to the authorities sponsoring said movie based on having been told (by two different spiritually-oriented factions of extraterrestrials) about them and confirmed them by using their own predictive modeling mechanisms (such as weather forecasters use when say plotting the projected paths of a hurricane). I appreciate the both of you for putting forth that paradigm, because at least it acknowledges the chilling reality of the similarities between decades-old fiction and the present reality.

Of course that brings up the DCTP, as you probably would have guessed already. The "Doctrine of Convergent Timelines Paradox", which has never been enunciated clearly enough for my satisfaction - despite being so intimately involved with it during the heyday of this Golden Thread back in 2003 and 2004. What we learned in subsequent years, following Dan's receipt and acceptance of the orders to "tell the truth of the extraterrestrial reality as you have personally experienced it", is the the famous 'Looking Glass' that he would point to as the source for his knowledge and awareness of certain future events, never 'told the truth'. To wit: there was no "President Hillary Clinton" and no "President Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan". The poleshift didn't occur on March 28th, 2009. The vision Dan Burisch had of the year 2014, with its untold billions of casualties of human life, has yet to happen, and if it turns out more accurate than not, that still wouldn't tell us if the poleshift occurs in late 2013, 2012, or even 2011. In fact, from the track record produced, we can't even count on anything that device told the Maji, which is why Dan insisted on having it dismantled over the protestations of the time-travel addicts that infested the ranks of the Majestic Twelve. What I have shared with you all is the account of how Deb Burisch was supposed to break her ankle on a certain date two weeks after Dadmiral told Dan it would happen, supposedly "south of Los Angeles". It just so happened that the date fell on the week that Dan and her (along with Marcia) would be at Cabrillo Beach, which is just south of LA, and so Dan was convinced it would happen during the operation during which he was supposed to deploy his 'Ganesh Particles' (to clean up said beach, which was quite polluted). However, it had been stressed to Dan often enough that if he so much as breathed a word about it, especially to the person who would be involved in the alleged future event, that it wouldn't happen as he was told but would happen in a way that was "ten times worse", or words to that effect. That meant that if he told his then-wife Deb about it, it wouldn't happen as expected. Now, Dan did NOT tell Deb about this (according to his account, which is suspect but nonetheless more than likely to be accurate - since it was post-event). However, as it turned out, Deb ended up not going on the operation, and was left behind in Las Vegas. However, during the predicted time-frame of the event, Deb Burisch DID go to a parent-teacher conference at her daughter's school, and while walking into the classroom, tripped over the threshold of the doorway and sprained her ankle. So. Ponder that. The predicted event (breaking the ankle) did not happen, but a similar event (spraining it) DID. It happened during the time-frame anticipated, and though it didn't occur "south of Los Angeles", it DID occur "south of [downtown, i.e. official] Las Vegas". In retrospect, it may well be the future-view didn't mention any city of particular, just the "south side" of it. While Dan was expecting her to be in LA (Cabrillo Beach is on the south side, just northwest of the port of Long Beach), the facts would have been corroborated if applied to the correct city she would actually was IN at the moment under discussion.

The question then becomes, did Dan knowingly mislead the naive public that had started to tune into his 'saga', courtesy of this very Golden Thread, and intimate there would be a President Hillary when he knew full well there wouldn't be? A careful perusal of the history of the time period, carefully recorded by Uncle John and maintained in the archives of this GT and the accompanying SNEDs Says thread (which split from this forum after Dadmiral ordered Dan off and he and Marcia to start their own 'disinfo' forum) will show Dan's contemptuous attitudes toward the other candidates; if he knew there would be a 'President Obama', he certainly hid it very well. Remember; Dadmiral flew to Chicago to "brief" President-elect Obama in the days immediately following the Nov. 2008 election. Thus it stands to reason that BHO was 'warped' from the earliest days of his presidency, and could very well have lauded the delusion-inducing D&M Show, with its cast of assorted sock-puppets and thugs, in recent months (I'm referring to the claim that Dan made that BHO "congratulated" him on his slaughter of an apparent rogue MAJ assassin - notwithstanding his claim of self-defense).

Despite all this, we're left with the question of whether ANYTHING viewed in the future can be counted on to occur, especially once it's been viewed (and therefore reacted upon) by the human authorities, who not only have the power to change our current reality but have shown time and again that they have no compunction in doing so. Consider, too, that it depends totally on whether the view is from the future looking back on the past (which is supposedly much more logical; having 'free will' argues that it can't be the other way around, or we would be so pre-destined in everything as to void our free will if we made transparent the truth of our future reality......even reflecting on that conundrum might cause our 'heads to explode', as Big Dick Cheney recently opined about the effect his new autobiography will have on Washington), OR whether the view is from the present looking to the future (which is always the way it has to be if we're discussing it in the here-and-now, which we are).

I submit that the much-vaunted "DCTP", which is like the Emperor's New Clothes, is nothing more than the sophisticated technology of future-modeling, which takes input data and extrapolates potential futures with it. There are some things that are simply immutable, such as the pending poleshift (at least in my opinion; many have challenged it but I'm stickin' to it), but there are other things that can be altered by the choices we make using our free will. In other words; while it's more likely true than not we can't alter the path of a comet, asteroid or planetoid by the use of nuclear bombs ( :nono baaad military-industrial western power elite), we CAN alter the effect it will have on society, if we simply act in preparation for it. But the idea that we can 'pray away the bad thing' is simply another example of the Politics (and Religion) of Wishful Thinking.

Jest my too sense.

Next we have to consider what's involved when the elite DO view supposed future-events; do they then create a self-fulfilling prophecy, thereby "immanentizing the eschaton" (i.e. manifesting the End Times) in order to make sure prophecy is fulfilled? Or do they react in such a way as to make sure said End Times do NOT occur as predicted? How can we make sure they even remain sane? Consider what Dan put in his 2007 "affidavit" (not connected with any court case, so it doesn't have the same effect): the Maji supposedly "allowed" the events of 9/11 to go down as they did, in order to prevent an even greater catastrophe. This explosive claim seems to have escaped everyone's notice, or has everyone simply concluded that Dan Burisch was either knowingly delusional or unwittingly misused?

For a brief primer on this concept, here's the Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton

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In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton (the final, heaven-like stage of history) in the immanent world.


Here's how Wiki gives it some perspective:

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Christianity

The term has been used in reference to Christian sects that subscribe to dispensationalism and work to hasten the Second Coming of Jesus and consequently the end of the world.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church makes an oblique reference to the desire to "Immanentize the Eschaton" in article 676:
The Antichrist's deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism, especially the "intrinsically perverse" political form of a secular messianism.

Popular culture

The phrase is cited in the Discordian text Principia Discordia, and appears fifteen times in Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea's The Illuminatus! Trilogy, the first of which is the first line of the novel, "It was the year when they finally immanentized the Eschaton."
The phrase is also used in issue four of Warren Ellis' comic, Doktor Sleepless. It appears to be the goal of the main character, Doktor Sleepless, to bring about the end of the world, driven by disappointment over how the future of the past has transpired. Sleepless wants to end the world to keep it from getting worse. The phrase is quoted several times, and can been regarded as the driving force behind the comic. According to the Doktor Sleepless Wiki, this concept is the inspiration for the fictional group blog 'imminent.sea'.
In Ken Macleod's science fiction novel The Stone Canal, one of the chapters is called, 'Another crack at Immanentising the Eschaton'.


And if you go to the "Doktor Sleepless" link, you find this:

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....Doktor Sleepless may be a man named John Reinhardt, a trust-fund baby and boy genius who is shunned by the counter-culture he helped found. After disappearing from the city of Heavenside three years ago, he suddenly returns having undergone some changes during the interim. Upon his return, he's transformed himself from a relatively mundane man into what he describes as a "cartoon mad scientist," calling himself "Doktor Sleepless."
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Set in the near future, this series follows the exploits of John Reinhardt, an enigmatic "mad scientist" whose motivations for returning to Heavenside are shady at best. Since his mysterious disappearance, he has reinvented himself as "Doktor Sleepless" and, to the dismay and utter confusion of the authorities, seemingly rules the airwaves (through his mastery of all things technological) with his thought-provoking, radical rhetoric. He addresses the disenfranchised citizens of Heavenside, acknowledging their disappointment in the "future" they live in. With the resources, knowledge and ambition that John Reinhardt possesses, everyone is listening and watching closely as he represents the one shard of hope everyone is looking for.
It is initially unclear if he works at inciting a truly positive revolution or has much darker, harmful plans for the people of Heavenside, until the sixth issue where he states outright his plans to bring about the apocalypse, using Heavenside as a testing ground. His stated reason is that this is "not the future we were promised... if we can't have that, then we shouldn't have anything at all". It is revealed he is deliberately instigating violence by the grinder counter-culture and is providing them with the means to do so, as well as releasing a bioweapon — "St Theresa's Eyes" — that causes people to "see angels" (actually winged, mechanical constructs which may be or not be hallucinations).
By the eighth issue, he has claimed that the world is merely a source of food for a race of tenth-dimensional animals (based on the Cthulhu Mythos stories) that feed on souls and live in a realm similar to Heaven; he claims these creatures killed his parents and that while he originally wanted to organize people against these creatures, he now just wants to kill the whole world to spite the monsters by starving them.
While Doktor Sleepless gives the impression of being in full control, it is unknown how true this is.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist - or a biologist - to see the similarities between the character of "Doktor Sleepless" and Dan Burisch. Both are scions.....lmao..... :roflmao Both are "scientists"....both see "angels" (er, in Dan's case, cherubim....same wow-factor)....both create bioweapons....both seemed sincere about "telling the world" (or 'organize people') but seem more influenced by wanting to 'spite' superiors...and both give the impression of being in full control though both are apparently suspected of being more like golden canaries in gilded cages.

At some point, the similarities end, and we have the troubling thought that the Maji may have been convinced to WANT the scenario that they were told would occur; the 'STS' told them what they wanted to hear about it, so they embraced the idea of having only 10% of the world survive the 'Big Event' (witness the Georgia Guidestones), while the STO most probably didn't put that spin on it, but rather that it was more important to try to save as many as possible. Then again, maybe both factions were working in tandem, plucking the heartstrings and appealing to the Self as they did, alternately, all the while laughing it up the entire time, much like "Paul" the alien does in the movie of the same name. Poor earnest Maji. Bamboozled as much as they've been bamboozling us. Still, they most likely WERE trying to "immanentizing the eschaton"; the STS as Doktor Sleepless would have it, and the STO as the Gnostics and their idealist descendants would have it.

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UPDATE: The east coast earthquake apparently was caused by an unknown fault line running under D.C. and through Virginia. It is now being called Obama's Fault, though Obama will say it's really Bush's Fault. Other theories are that it was the founding fathers rolling over in their graves or that what we all believed to be an earthquake was actually the effects of a 14.6 trillion dollar check bouncing in Washington.

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Don,

maybe it is possible to change the 'probable' future by travelling forwards, seeing whats happening and then returning to one's original time and changing something that causes the future timeline to follow a different track? Its different than going back and then inadvertantly doing something which ensures that you never get to be born...

How come it was known that the USA would have a President who looked like he was African American?

Elenin may or may not be culpable for the earth-changing quakes which some people say it is causing, but whilst things are indeed building up 'to something' I remain unconvinced that in less than 100 days I will probably perish in a tsunami which will wash the British Isles clean - this being what the Zetans - and youtuber Terral - are sugggesting.

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re: my comments (of earlier today) on NYC, happily it seems that the worst case scenario has not been realised.
Phew!

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In quantum thought anything is possable. And if you throw in a few facts the possable becomes probable. There are things that we as humans can't see because we are too close to the problem. An ant for example walking around a beach ball thinks that he is actualy getting somewhere.

Now the earth'e magnetic field entensity verries slightly each day and in some areas strongly. Strong enough to send a ship or aircraft into another time or place. I suspect that it is entirely possable that each day when we wake up we can find ourselves in an entirely new time line. That being due to the earth's magnetic field, which changes due to the radiation from the sun. So that each planet has it's own time line which is controlled by its mass and strength of its magnetic field. If this is true then our future is like a crap shoot and anything can happen! As soon as you figure it out, it changes, which makes any predictions of a longer nature vary in scope. A predicted broken bone can become a sprain. If two cars enter a narrow tunnel at high speed it is safe to predict the results. But if the tunnel has five lanes in each direction the results wont be the same. It all comes from our mind. So what do we do? Think positive and think often. But remember everyone else is out there thinking too!

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