'alas' or not dondep, i do not 'accept' the problem, as the irish called it, 'the troubles', the situation is and always was abhorrent to me. but i gently suggest to all to add a dash of realism to your self-convinced 'theosophy' that what is occuring 'now' is eschatonical in nature in the least. yes it is fine to stand up. i resisted the draft during vietnam. i have 'been there' thoroughly. what i am gently pointing out just to add to a free mix of conversation is that you can even have a french revolution, flushed in the cheeks with 'winged victory' and little changes as things coalesce 'down the road'.

i pay great attention to the mechanisms of my own life, contribute to what i percieve to be 'the good', turn my back on 'the rats', try to radiate goodness, and above all, try to show 'myself' the best time while i am here. i have no army, i have no grand plan to straighten it all out. many of the problems begin at home, e.g. the common american's gluttany for all earth's resources.
we can be 'good little soldiers for the lord(s)' but it matters little when we have to zip here and there constantly burning well-over our fair share of oil just to get to the quick mart to buy garbage that we have become addicted to. we each of us build this house and call it good. we in the west are living a fairy tale, and blame its consequences on either:

a. our leaders
b. foreigners
c. pie plates from the sky

or

d. contraptions of our minds much more obtuse that usually involve both our imagination
and a vivid desire to be alive when some 'grand change' occurs

all folks that have ever lived have hoped for this. but it happens very very slowly, like it or not. the bigger something is, the slower it moves or evolves. this time is no different.

no, i am not defeatist. i am having a fairly good and full life much of it full of joy. but i do not choose to obsess about vague 'grand events' that may or may not occur soon.

a grand event in my littol life is playing rock and roll in a bar on a warm summer's night, and dancing with a gentle maiden.

what do i think of nancy leider: not much.

what do i think of the pack of human vultures that run this world: psychotics.

what do i think of our future: a good and long one for the fortunate, and a bad and agonizing one for the unfortunate.

that's about it for now.

no eschaton. that is an allegory for something that happens far beyond this little blue ball.
no big cata's clysm. my faith tells me otherwise.

am i right about everything i think and believe? i have no idea. i'm just a human and we are all children with very little real knowlege until we pass out of here.

See Image of Wall at original Link

http://space.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn12566

News Release
Scientists Find Elusive Waves in Sun's Corona;
Discovery Can Help Unlock Secrets of Corona's Heat, Solar Storms

August 30, 2007

http://www.ucar.edu/news/releases/2007/solar.shtml

Cool old pic of Lightening Striking the Shuttle Challenger on the Pad.

What would the world be like without Human Beings In it?

Very cool grapic presentation.

http://www.worldwithoutus.com/did_you_know.html

Burisch's Over Sea's Pharmacological Interests?

Looky who heads it up!

J8: Kevin Tebbit --- British Ministry of Defence.

J11: Harold Varmus --- former Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Nobel Prize winner in medicine.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_t ... nstitution




Check out their website. The Header will give you the creeps DEFCON was militaries code scale for Nuclear War. DEFCON One Nuclear War. In the could war forexample we were at DEFCON 3 5 being top of the scale.

Pay note to Crimson sky over Washington D.C
Pay note to free masonary momuments.

http://www.defconamerica.org/

J9: Carol Thatcher --- Daughter of the former Prime Minister of Great Britain, Margaret Thatcher. Carol Thatcher's low profile ended with her late 2005 participation in the TV show I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here!

National Intelligence Director McConnell on Torture

J1: Vice Admiral John M. McConnell

Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Mike McConnell, discusses the President's new "Executive Order", and the use of torture on American citizens
-RawStory (more)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=k-vx7rjqiKE

Summery of what Mike McConnell has to say. "Torture GOOD! American Citizens and Civil Rights BAD!"


J5: Henry Alfred Kissinger

Henry Kissinger About an Emerging New International Order

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4bKwH3kJew4

Summary: "New World World Shall SAVE Humanity."

Is it just me or does it seem if you read the entire bio's of the supposed Dan Burisch Majestic Twelve list. That many of its members are Jewish or of Jewish background?

What do they say about Jews????


Shady

Oh let see what those lovely Zionist Settlers in the Holy Land have to say!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O9W3UsdRyM

Don't forget, Shady, that Dan and Marci have to walk to Sion, alone! If that doesn't smack of elitism, I don't know what does! Naturally those allowed proximity may wish to walk with them, but such will NOT be allowed!

Meanwhile, don't ever use the name of the Promised Land of the Jews in a phone call with Marci and Dan, or they will rush right off the line....apparently even the barest mention of that word triggers activity of the Carnivore and Echelon kind.


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If I didn't know better from your history of "tongue-in-cheek-lashings" , ubleck, I would get the impression that you might even think some of us "unrealistic", as if the "realistic" approach you 'gently' insinuate is the result more of seasoned wisdom than a shoulder-shrugging at the inevitable nature of the seeming triumph of the "ways of the world". First, I'd dispute that some of our 'theosophy' is self-convinced. Yes, it's "eschatological" in nature. I even support having such an "element of doubt" in place, the better to leave the ultimate spiritual decisions to the individual and not to the political and spiritual institutions. That doesn't mean a resigned acceptance of their stance in the world; on the contrary. It isn't so much the ultimate effect that is what counts, although to use that as an excuse is almost criminal by its lonesome, it's the ability to take the voice of the disclaimer of the emperor's new clothes in whatever way we can. You, ubleck, are known for your allegorical wit, as an observer more on the sidelines than in the thick of things, which isn't to say there's anything inherently 'bad' in that.

Nonetheless, many new-comers to this GT may not know how frequently you've travelled here over the years; they are also probably unaware of your membership in Dan B.'s beloved "Think Tank" and therefore your viewpoint may be a bit more 'skewed' than the average reader. I'm sure you appreciate how much freedom you have here to post your thoughts and opinions, and how the Think Tank and the SNEDs forum is extremely unlike us in that respect. And speaking of respect, we never really heard from you what your opinion was of the extreme nastiness that was directed at some of us here from that direction, particularly the bald lies and petty vitriol. Some of which, due to the only human nature we all have, was returned in kind, but in large part was criminally uncalled-for. I'm not sure if you were 'radiating goodness' at the time; perhaps the 'radiation' illuminated a few good folks behind closed PM boxes. Nonetheless, you are always welcome here to give your opinion, which leads me to ask if maybe the questions themselves might not be misconstrued. I'll explain in a moment.



No-one can argue with that sentiment. I wouldn't expect you to have an army, but your voice is part of one greater than yourself. As even Bob Dylan sang, "everybody's got to serve somebody." Who is it that you serve? Will you help solve the 'great problems of the day' by, what, shrinking your carbon footprint? {re: the common american's gluttony for all earth's resources}



Hmm. The two parts of your thought aren't quite connected that way.....in order to trek to the quickie-mart we need to burn more than our fair share of the oil, we must of needs be 'good little soldiers for the lord(s)'. If we didn't make that daily trek, could we then have the courage NOT to be 'good little soldiers' for the lord(s)? Could we then have the courage to stand up and say "You know what? I SOOO don't care any more I just won't jump for the man any longer. Chalk it up to disinterest." And then go on your way with only the wind at your back and no internal-combustion engine to be dependent on?

I think the day is coming where that will be what happens anyway. This paradox is destined to crumble when the polarization becomes inevitable.



Let's stop right there for a moment. I suggest we don't blame our relatively good fortune on our 'leaders'; most know those so-called 'leaders' are no better or worse than we are, merely desiring the power/fame/fortune that comes from the job and make very little improvement in the way the mechanisms work. Usually the opposite. We're just too stubborn to admit that we now know the truth about the 'powerlessness' of even the elites, and that much of that powerlessness comes from the lack of courage of thinking 'what if?' instead of managing the illusionary Coverup. We couldn't rise to the challenges presented by that kind of thinking in the Kennedys, so we allowed them to be taken from us and replaced by those mediocre enough to reflect ourselves in the mirror.

As for foreigners? Most people can see through the small-minded paradigm of blaming the "furriners" for our troubles; they only want the fruits that are offered them by the same elites we suckle on and resent simultaneously. It isn't the "illegal Mexican immigrants", it's the Corporations that hire them.

'Pie plates in the sky'? Don't tell us you believe that the factions of the (er, 'former') Majestic are planning an artificial 'space invasion', the better to declare their martial law? Or is 'pie plates' a reference to your scorn for any extraterrestrial presence, maybe a comment on their apparent powerlessness?



Those 'contraptions' involve a whole lot more than imagination and a lust for life; on a deeper level I would submit that they involve our spirtual paradigms, our 'value systems', our concern for the welfare of our fellow humans (or lack thereof). All those constructs of consciousness.



I totally agree. The better to utilize the time-between each 'frame' to come to a more concise understanding and conclusion. It wasn't all that long ago that I realized the benefits, the karmic benefits, of having the Decimation of the Dunces take place slowly before our eyes; many can't see where this is leading to and there's good reason.

However, this time IS different. JMHO, of course, and I'm damn well entitled to it, as are many. Many have little clue, even at this late date, as to just how integral their spiritual intentions are to the 'change' that awaits this particular shift.




No, not defeatist, more like a shoulder-shrugger. One with a sharp wit, of course, and with good heart I'm sure.



Many of us are having a fairly good and full life; I particularly try not to take any simple pleasure for granted, and encourage anyone to do the same. Simultaneously, knowing I have no 'choice' in the matter unlike yourself, I know there are 'grand events' in our collective near-future. By near-future, I mean before my Mastercard or Visa debit-cards expire. As in, perhaps the last time I can enjoy a lazy drive into the country for a picnic under a shade tree, a zoom through the wheat fields on the scooter, an ice cream cone from Dairy Queen under the stars with the crickets chirping lazily in the background.

No, I wouldn't suggest you trouble yourself about any 'vague, grand events' that may occur soon. These things can have the effect of disturbing the many who don't want their comfortable life disturbed, especially by matters they feel no control over. In that respect I concur with the elites who know that "absolute, positive proof" will never be allowed, and with good reason. It would skew the spiritual leanings of the average citizen, and ultimately that's what it comes down to anyway, isn't it? This life we inhabit is soon "ashes to ashes and dust to dust" within a few short mortal decades anyway; our spiritual selves -- for those who believe we have them -- will go on forever, depending on how much we want to trade to keep the fleshly illusion going.



Of course. It's politically-correct to echo that sentiment, but I never implied that was the question.....at least to me. Naturally I share that same sentiment on occasion and for different reasons, but the real question isn't what you think of her, it's what you think of the information she is sharing from her zetan sources. (Of course you're free to believe the information from Dan's zetan sources, in which case my questions are the same: what do you make of the information?)

Such as, and without quoting verbatim what she had to say in her weekly Saturday GLP chat earlier today;

The Earth's "axial tilt", which we were discussing here not that long ago; surprisingly, today's ZT indicates that the source of this "suspect science" is an attempt to further desensitize the public to the inevitability of a poleshift. While there has been a 'wobble', and it is soon to become quite evident to the public at large, this source (divulgence.net, I believe) claimed the "axial tilt" was already at 49 degrees......now, not knowing science, I asked around "could this be true? Is this evidence real?" Some counseled that it was "junk science", but even with NL's ZT weighing in against this 'junk science', I want to see the evidence myself.

Another subject discussed here recently, as well as many other places, was the subject of the New Madrid faultline and the ZT predictions regarding the rip along same, creating chaos for the citizenry in that area; over a year ago, those claims were made, and today's headlines bear solid and overwhelming witness to the accuracy of those claims. Here's the example used, by a text source no less mainstream than the Associated Press and the local mainstream TV station:

http://www.wmcstations.com/Global/story.asp?S=6987526

While not thinking much of Nancy Lieder, do you think at all of these events and where they point to, or are you lost in that dance with a lil' maiden and a rock-n-roll jam? (and you KNOW how I love to jam....nothing wrong with that) Of course, if you don't know that your neighbor's house will wash away in a flood within a turn or two of the seasons, there's no reason to warn hiim. If it were to happen to you, why that's probably okay as well. A merciful God might make it happen as quickly as possible, the better to avoid the fatal nightmare that could follow......when the living will 'envy the dead'.



That's an easy one! Of course; who wouldn't agree? But I thought that question was asked and answered ages ago, and what to do after the labelling? A shaking of the head and the turning away......another twirl around the dance floor.



Who will the fortunate be? The ones that opened their eyes and ears, and did some preparation? The ones rich enough to buy what they need, the ones born with a silver spoon in their mouths? I'm very interested in how you define the 'fortunate' and 'unfortunate'.



This reminds me -- again -- of that Royal Bank of Scotland commercial, you know the one with the 3 young turk corporate suits, a fragile female, and one not-so-young corporate suit (our hero) stuck on a tramway car travelling up the side of a mountain and getting stuck. A vulture lands on top of the car, the freaked female shrieks, and the one young turk launches into his "power of positive thinking", that he learned in some corporate training class. The 'hero' rolls his eyes (metaphorically speaking) as he listens to the Wishful Thinking balderdash (just THINK good thoughts and you can make them happen!!!!!!!!!), then calmly pushes the 'Start' button, restoring normalcy. In the reverbrations, the guileless damsel gushes awe at the Rosy Scenario suit, who puffs his chest out in triumph....as if it were all his doing.

This allegory is poignant to me because it illustrates what's happening 'behind the scenes', even those scenes you are privy to in the Thnk Tank. At the moment there are unseen forces, unnamed 'patriotic humans' that are blocking the dunces from stealing any more of our liberties as said dunces and self-ascribed lords continue our slow, simmering-froglike exploitation in their own minds.......industrious plans of micely men that will never see fruition in the real world, at least so long as those with awareness are still alive enough to do something about it.

My question to you is, what makes you believe there is no "eschaton" for this "blue ball"? The evidence, it appears, tells us otherwise. What is it about your faith that tells you there is no 'big cataclysm' scheduled for this planet? Anything you can share, or is it that same kind of a 'gut feeling' that Dept of Homeland Insecurity Sec'y Chertoff had about a terror attack last month? (Ones that were, ahem, 'averted' ). Seriously; there is much that has taken place recently that indicate that what some of us 'know' (but aren't allowed to prove) is no longer a subject for debate but one for action; what is your action plan? Or do you have none? Perhaps another twirl around the dance floor? Are the unfortunate along the New Madrid faultline deserving of their agony?

Just curious, and not in just a rhetorical way. While your opinion may correspond more with what our resident 'Architect of heaven' Uncle John believes, UJ could tell you that your position carries much more weight here than anywhere else. On that both he and I agree.



Humility. Often comes into conflict with 'faith', or what passes for faith. Still, a virtue second only to love. It means there's room to change your mind and to grow it.

Yep, Shady, CT's genetic make-up consists of 75% Northern European and 25% Middle-Eastern stock. I remember posting something about it here earlier this year, after watching the Channel 4 programme "100% English". I guess her dad Dennis must have had a mother who was of Semitic origin. Mind you, if you want to find a person of "100% English" stock, London is the last place in England you'd go. I'd just like to say that Carol Thatcher seems like a fun person who'd try her hand at practically anything. And anyone (not mentioning names here ) who didn't pay her poll tax that her mother had introduced gets a big thumbs up from me.

Carol Thatcher's [purported ] cv (resume):-

1977-79 (working holiday in Australia) Sydney Morning Herald

198Os-199Os Daily Telegraph, TV-am, BBC Radio 4, Daily Mail

1983 Diary of an election: with Margaret Thatcher on the campaign trail

1986 Writes best-selling book on tennis-playing couple Chris Evert and John Lloyd, Lloyd on Lloyd

1996 Writes "Below the Parapet," a biography of her father Denis Thatcher

2005 Enters and wins the ITV reality show I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here!

2006 Presents the breakfast show on LBC 97.3FM

Quote from CT: "I was truly astonished to win I'm a Celebrity...I didn't even back myself at odds of 33/ 1." There's that number thirty-three cropping up again...

Great find, Shady. "The Skunk At The Garden Party" weighs in on torture, faulty intelligence, and his scornful observations of the intel agencies whlle he was "in the private sector" (the time he served as MJ-1, that is). When Tim Russert keeps asking "Mike" whether American citizens would find the techniques at "information extraction" acceptable were it practiced on Americans, Dadmiral can't give a straight answer. "....it's NOT TORTURE, it's a psychological approach to causing someone to have uncertainty so that they would feel compelled..."

I think Sir Mick Jagger sang it best: "....[he] was practiced in the arts of deception...I could tell by his/blood-stained hands".

{Dadmiral: Tim, it's NOT TORTURE! There's no rape, murder, or physical mutilation.} Gosh, he sure sounds reasonable though! Compared with the other creatures that scurry through the warrens of the White House, he's practically a saint. And the scary part is that I type that with a straight face.

Now, about that Heinz.........(and where's the latest on "Fogo", a/k/a Porter Goss, former J-3?)


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Good eye, mjc. I'm sure she said it with a straight face. BTW, I had no idea she was so accomplished; what an impressive resume.

[quote]Dadmiral can't give a straight answer. "....it's NOT TORTURE, it's a psychological approach to causing someone to have uncertainty so that they would feel compelled..."[quote]

That's a ridiculous answer...
I think It would have been better stated if he had said that torture was the means to a psychological approach....etc,..
Noteworthy deceptive...is this an example what the Indians meant when they said whiteman speaks with forked tongue? Are they 'all' trained this way? Who do we trust?

Has anyone heard the Pentagon announcing all military service personnel will be mandatory microchipped?

Dex

Mikey McConnell (J1 Majestic Twelve!) "Its not torture."


Damn Mikey "No Warning" McConnell best get stronger prescriptions for those glasses.

WARNING GRAPHIC VIDEO A HEAD.
Water Boarding Demonstration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdswfKFt4wo

He're the really funny thing.. Mikey McConnell states on the Meet The Press Video that they have preformed this torture on less then 100 individuals.

If we are to believe Burisch's own statements on his board. Majestic Twelve Members themselves have strong opinions that 9/11 was a inside job and the not the work of "terrorists"

That would make the "Less Then Hundred" no matter their political activities innocent Human beings. And Good Old Majestic J #1 Milke McConnell AUTHORIZED their TORTURE when he signed off on the presidential exec order.

Thats right little Himmler. You 'YOU' signed paperwork to torture a innocent human being.

Think you can hide that fact from world with your Washington D.C issued paper shredders. . Yes you may.

But

you will not escape God's judgment for your crimes.


Shady

This one is older story. The latest one out of July 2007 (which I can't find off hand) the Pentagon gave their FULL go a head to start testing on troops.

Shady

They are ALREADY using microchips in new borns in hospitals. On the trumped up claim "Security" against your new born being lost or stolen in the hospital They supposedly remove the chip with child leaves.

But you can see its just another step to "STOP Child abduction! Implant your child with RFID/Verichip. Do you Love your child? Do you really then MICROCHIP them today! 100% Tracking security!" Of course the states will jump on the band wagon and make laws that YOU WILL microchip your children or the State will take them from you on child abuse claims.

Then they will play the electronic debt/credit card/National Id angle and give you insentives as adults to be microchiped..

Then welcome "THE BEAST"

Shady





http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=3536539

I don't think no warning is Mike... without warning...someone's ordered a stop to my outgoing email and inforum posting on yahoogroups.

To Whom it may Concern.
I understood between the lines.
Look, since this is the only accessable posting forum I want to say in guilty prose you're turning me against the J's.
When you encounter encumbering problems of your own remember it is by your own actions incurring this dictum.

Dex

There are several videos in this story that I couldn't transfer here so you can view them at the original site..

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/290 ... ipped.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/m ... lator.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14727720

Poll still open as of this posting

The results after I took the poll just now.

Some official doc's on military research into Mind Control I found on the web. For those doing research into such area's.




Advanced Neural Implants and Control DARPA
http://www.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads ... plants.pdf


Science & Technology for New DoD Capabilities

http://www.earthpulse.com/epulseuploads ... ations.PDF