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My Official Response to SNED's and Eagles Disobey/Majestic Follows below..

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« Reply #252 Today at 2:22pm »
We have been inundated with requests to know which H1N1 vaccine Dan and Marci will receive? Will it be the nasal or the injectable?

Dan and Marci have not told me that they made a decision which, but if I had to guess it will probably be the injectable as that one will likely be given to the majority of the population receiving the vaccination.

(Tongue in cheek about the rabid antivaxers): That way, if Dan and Marciu take the injectable version, they can be in the larger group of those vaccinated who do don't die from the vaccination, versus the smaller group who don't die from the vaccinaton! :P

We have received letters from people who write paragraphs declaring that they refuse to become NOT SCARED of the vaccinations no matter how much evidence is in front of them! Others say drammatically that they wouldn't get it even if a gun were to be placed next to their heads! ::)

Looking around, I don't see armies holding guns on people and telling them to become vaccinated against A-H1N1. But, maybe in the world of the writers there are. ::) And please don't write us telling us "that's the next step" because we'll file it in the autodelete bucket with the "Planet X is still coming" reports.

Look: it's time to grab onto REALITY.

To all those telling us that 'nothing can make them unafraid' -


Be afraid. Be scared. Then go out and post on forums that preach about being unafraid of the future while they preach fear through their smiles. It's your right!

If you don't get vaccinated (or do and not tell anyone ;)) you may even be able to say "I didn't get vaccinated and I didn't get sick! Proof!" As though that's proof of anything. But "the afraid" will listen.

Makes a lot of sense? It does to a few. Thank G-d it doesn't to the rest of the population.

As soon as the Evil Genie of Planet X fell apart, then "the afraid" held onto T2. When that time passed without catastrophe, they latched onto death by vaccination. When this season passes and a hundred million (a number given by Horowitz) aren't dead, they will pick something different! This group we are calling "the afraid" is a really sad group. They have to have something to hold onto giving them the possibility of catastrophe or imminent death.

I wonder what "the afraid" will pick next, for next year? Some will invent false stats and try to continue to the antivax-hoax, but others will need something more!





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I have one world for you Stanley Goldburg one word that best discribes you and SNED's as you boldly and with straight face tell the people

"Its alright don't panic! Take your Flu Shots.. See they're safe of you! Nothing is going to happen! Don't listen to rumors.. Come now be brave take your shot!"

You are nothing but modern day Sonderkommando nothing but Sonderkommando

The very SAME ones that stood out side the undressing rooms.. and with the face of the devil himself! Guided the people down the steps and into the showers with re assuring messages of

"Your only going to be disinfected its only a shower! Come quickly now, the sooner you get it done the quicker you will re united with your loved ones!"

Of course those that walked down those steps after hearing THE LIE found themselves no where but in a darkend vault as the pellets were dropped and they dropped to the floors in mass only to removed by the Sonderkommando later and brought to ovens..

You are nothing but Sonderkommando Sned's, Majestic Twelve, Eagles Disobey! Nothing but Sonderkommando doing your masters bidding! Obedient minions to the end.


Sat Oct 03, 2009 9:36 am
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Great Meanstream Press Piece!

One correction though, 'They are not mistakes" its by design!


Barack Obama accused of making 'Depression' mistakes ... takes.html

Barack Obama is committing the same mistakes made by policymakers during the Great Depression, according to a new study endorsed by Nobel laureate James Buchanan.


History repeating itself? President Obama has been accused by some economists of making the same mistakes policymakers in the US made in the Great Depression, which followed the Wall Street crash of 1929, pictured Photo: AP

By Edmund Conway
Published: 9:55PM BST 06 Sep 2009

His policies even have the potential to consign the US to a similar fate as Argentina, which suffered a painful and humiliating slide from first to Third World status last century, the paper says.

There are "troubling similarities" between the US President's actions since taking office and those which in the 1930s sent the US and much of the world spiralling into the worst economic collapse in recorded history, says the new pamphlet, published by the Institute of Economic Affairs.

In particular, the authors, economists Charles Rowley of George Mason University and Nathanael Smith of the Locke Institute, claim that the White House's plans to pour hundreds of billions of dollars of cash into the economy will undermine it in the long run. They say that by employing deficit spending and increased state intervention President Obama will ultimately hamper the long-term growth potential of the US economy and may risk delaying full economic recovery by several years.

The study represents a challenge to the widely held view that Keynesian fiscal policies helped the US recover from the Depression which started in the early 1930s. The authors say: "[Franklin D Roosevelt's] interventionist policies and draconian tax increases delayed full economic recovery by several years by exacerbating a climate of pessimistic expectations that drove down private capital formation and household consumption to unprecedented lows."

Although the authors support the Federal Reserve's moves to slash interest rates to just above zero and embark on quantitative easing, pumping cash directly into the system, they warn that greater intervention could set the US back further. Rowley says: "It is also not impossible that the US will experience the kind of economic collapse from first to Third World status experienced by Argentina under the national-socialist governance of Juan Peron."

The paper, which recommends that the US return to a more laissez-faire economic system rather than intervening further in activity, has been endorsed by Nobel laureate James Buchanan, who said: "We have learned some things from comparable experiences of the 1930s' Great Depression, perhaps enough to reduce the severity of the current contraction. But we have made no progress toward putting limits on political leaders, who act out their natural proclivities without any basic understanding of what makes capitalism work."

The authors of the pamphlet, Charles K. Rowley and Nathanael Smith, give their views.

Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:14 am
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Shady Groves wrote:
My Official Response to SNED's and Eagles Disobey/Majestic Follows below..
Sned's, Majestic Twelve, Eagles Disobey!
.. Sonderkommando doing your masters bidding! Obedient minions to the end.


Excellent post my friend, lest we not forget traitors in history.

They that lie often speak the loudest.

I am Praying for Higher Power the Creator of the Universe to Awaken and bring Awareness to this group of traitors of the Human Race.

Peace be with you.

Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:19 am
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Hello All,

Been busy with life and have not posted much.

Two thing today:

1. Belated birthday greeting to DonDep!

2. What is the opinion of GT members on the below news item given that "Dan" is so enamored with the Cabala? The article talks about the Cabala and the holocaust, along with the Rothschilds being Sabbatean-Frankists and Illuminati Jews. Is Henry Makow a Jewish Zionist disinfo agent or someone to listen to?

Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:42 am
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A must read if your interested on how the PTB's do it how they take out a nation economically.. ... 5096.shtml

Taking down a nation: Money, murder and national sovereignty
By Nikki Alexander
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Sep 7, 2009, 00:20

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If you wanted to destroy the infrastructure that holds our constitutional republic in place, how would you go about that? As with a controlled demolition you would need to dislodge the foundation from the bedrock where it is anchored and weaken the framework that holds the structure together. In practice, you would demolish the laws that support the legal and financial structure. Our constitutional republic would then collapse into its own footprint, meeting no resistance.

Billionaire George Soros claimed the world financial system has disintegrated, adding that there is yet no prospect of a near-term resolution to the crisis. [1] If this were true, it would be a blessing. It is more likely a pretext for consolidating world financial control through an illegitimate global oligarchy that supersedes national sovereignty. Media propagandists are spinning the “new” idea of one world currency issued by a global monetary authority. Herding the fearful into a blind alley with soothing promises of international cooperation, the same criminals who engineered global financial destruction are promoting the International Monetary Fund as the savior of choice to issue one world currency. The IMF’s synthetic currency, Special Drawing Rights (SDR), is determined by the fluctuating value of fiat currencies generated by four privately owned central banks. SDR are fabricated debt owed to a private banking cartel.

Would a universal token of debt, fabricated by the same private banking cartel that engineered our staggering debt, be a remedy for national insolvency? Would global indebtedness to this cartel restore the productive economy? Whose social priorities would be financed by a global banking oligarchy? Would this oligarchy continue the practice of withholding credit from cities and states, farmers, small businesses, homeowners and entrepreneurs while fabricating credit for weapons, war, gambling and fraud? Would consolidating a global debt monopoly counteract or amplify the risk of global systemic collapse? Transnational institutions that infect every aspect of the global financial system have just demonstrated the dangers of being too interconnected to quarantine and too well-connected to prosecute.

Why would a sovereign people who are fully capable of issuing their own money and credit surrender that authority to a supranational oligarchy that issues fiat debt? Abolishing national currencies essentially dissolves national sovereignty.

While media ventriloquists would have us believe rampant and random greed provoked a spontaneous “global financial crisis,” the historical record indicates deliberate and carefully planned destruction of national sovereignty, worldwide. The plans for consolidating private control of global wealth have been in motion for over a century, accelerating exponentially with the frenzy of neoliberal deregulation that enabled financial fraud to metastasize globally. Carroll Quigley, a Georgetown University historian and Bill Clinton’s mentor, was privy to documents and meetings held by the international powers of financial capitalism. He was not speculating on their motives but rather reporting as a trusted insider, an eyewitness who described their intent:

Following World War I . . .”the powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks, which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank, in the hands of men like Montagu Norman of the Bank of England, Benjamin Strong of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, Charles Rist of the Bank of France, and Hjalmar Schacht of the Reichsbank, sought to dominate its government by its ability to control treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence co-operative politicians by subsequent rewards in the business world.” --Carroll Quigley, 1966 [2]

Founded in 1973 by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski, the Trilateral Commission’s stated goal is to foster a “New International Economic Order” that would supplant the historical economic order. Paul Volcker -- past Federal Reserve chairman, Rockefeller trust fund administrator and chairman of Obama’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board -- is the North American chairman. Speaking to that group in 1991 David Rockefeller stated:

“We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto determination practiced in past centuries.” --David Rockefeller, 1991 [3]

A plan for the world that “marches” humanity towards a world government could only have been developed in the shadows, although constitutional scholars would hardly share Rockefeller’s gratitude to the Washington Post, New York Times, Time magazine and other great publications for half a century of media complicity with treason. A “supranational sovereignty” of self-appointed feudal lords violates the right of sovereign nations to auto determination, the right of nation states to protect their financial sovereignty from “world bankers” and the right of sovereign individuals to form governments that derive their powers from the consent of the governed. In this royal cabal’s worldview, these rights do not exist. The earth is for selfish plundering and human beings are merely expendable serfs to be exploited. National currencies, government regulations, international law, civil liberties, environmental and worker protections are seen as obstacles to self-gratification that must be demolished. Their vision of utopia is a global dictatorship of world bankers and self-appointed elites.

Delusional as such subversive ambitions may sound, the World Trade Organization has already usurped illegitimate authority to supersede the regulations of sovereign nations, overriding international human rights law and the rights of regional governments to protect their populations. The North American Union, masterminded by Richard Gardner, promoted by Robert Pastor and engineered by this cabal will dissolve the borders between the US, Canada and Mexico and superimpose a legislative body that supersedes the authority of Congress with a continental NAFTA parliament of free trade pirates, unrestrained by regulations that protect the public and the earth. [4] It should come as no surprise that media directors complicit with treason have failed to alert the public to this covert destruction of national sovereignty.

The Bank for International Settlements is consolidating world financial control by herding nation states into five Regional Currency Areas that will ultimately be merged into one. [5] The European Union, with a supranational parliament and constitution that were forced on European citizens despite their veto, overrides the sovereignty of individual European nation states.

Fred Bergsten, a US Treasury official and founding member of the Trilateral Commission and subversive Peterson Institute, accurately conveyed the ramifications of abandoning national currencies:

“The adoption of a common currency is by far the boldest chapter of European integration. Money traditionally has been an integral element of national sovereignty . . . and the decision by Germany and France to give up their mark and franc . . . represents the most dramatic voluntary surrender of sovereignty in recorded history. The European Central Bank that will manage the euro is a truly supranational institution.” --C. Fred Bergsten, 1999 [6]

Bergsten rightly acknowledges that, “money is an integral element of national sovereignty.” Therefore, the private ownership of one global currency strips all countries of their national sovereignty in one broad stroke and what better way to shorten the process than to engineer the ‘disintegration of the world financial system,’ with a global derivatives Ponzi scheme.

Bergsten’s euphoria over European loss of national sovereignty is an expression of victory, the triumph of subversion. European nation states did not voluntarily surrender their national sovereignty. They were forced to surrender, just as Americans are being stripped of their national sovereignty, piece by piece.

In 1974, international banker, Trilateralist and CFR member, Richard N. Gardner outlined a comprehensive strategy for the new world order in an influential article in Foreign Affairs, entitled “The Hard Road to World Order.” He stated:

“In short, the ‘house of world order’ would have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great confusion, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault.” [7]

Gardner’s strategy for demolishing national sovereignty lays out a sweeping program for successfully setting up world government: strengthening the International Monetary Fund with leverage to wreck the economies of entire countries, as it did to Argentina in 2001; rewriting the ground rules for international trade through GATT (forerunner of the WTO), that “will subject countries to an unprecedented degree of international surveillance over, up to now, sacrosanct ‘domestic’ policies;” creating transnational trade regimes as pretexts for world control, such as the EU, NAFTA and a Free Trade Area of the Americas that would create a massive outflux of jobs and factories from the US and lead, over time, to a complete subordination of American government to a continental corporate authority; giving the United Nations ultimate jurisdiction over the oceans, atmosphere, electromagnetic spectrum, and outer space; disarming all nations to such an extent that, eventually, “no state would have the military power to challenge the progressively strengthened UN Peace Force” -- under whose authority the first Gulf War, and its 12-year aftermath of bombing raids and crippling sanctions, was carried out. From Somalia to the Balkans to Sierra Leone to Afghanistan, United Nations “peacekeepers” have become nearly ubiquitous enforcers of world order out of the barrel of a gun.

Steve Bonta’s analysis of Gardner’s strategy concludes:

“If the insiders could have accomplished overtly and instantly what they are now piecing together through stealth and patient gradualism, they surely would have done so. They’ve had to proceed slowly and cautiously on their ‘Hard Road to World Order,’ and their slowness and caution shows that they fear awakening the American people if they try to do too much too fast.” [8]

Evidently, the “old-fashioned frontal assault” became more desirable than “an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece.” The explosion that dislodged the US Constitution from its bedrock was delivered with a Shock and Awe attack on Americans on September 11, 2001. The plan for totalitarian world order that was not “subject to the bright lights of publicity for forty years,” was rapidly completed in the aftermath of 9/11 when the constitutional relationship between US citizens and their government was radically altered, without their consent.

The legal framework protecting citizens from government abuse was detonated, piece by piece, in a demolition wave that collapsed the US constitutional infrastructure: Office of Legal Counsel justifications for kidnapping, torture, unlawful detention, military tribunals and secret prisons, overturning habeas corpus; militarizing domestic control in violation of Posse Comitatus; White House assumption of dictatorial powers with executive orders and presidential signing statements; Patriot Act destruction of civil liberties; domestic surveillance and personal data mining; control of media and journalism; Internet censorship; nationwide detention camps; unconstitutional pretexts for declaring martial law; domestic mercenary hit squads and intelligence gathering outsourced to private “security” companies; union-busting, ICE raids and deportation executed by the Homeland Security Gestapo.

The demolition wave that took down the global financial system and crashed the US economy was ignited with well placed financial explosives by top officials within the Federal Reserve, Treasury, White House, Congress and key financial institutions. Laws were dismantled and financial derivatives were deregulated to clear a path for the subprime demolition wave. On September 11, 2001, an estimated $240 billion dollars was covertly added to the M2/M3 money supply with the ‘settlement’ of off-balance sheet, illegal bonds created in 1991 by George H.W. Bush and Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan. The banking institutions that funded the subprime operation opened nationwide mortgage retail outlets to bankroll predatory loans that were fanned into speculative equities, hedge funds, and derivative markets -- HSBC, UBS, Credit Suisse First Boston, Triad Guaranty Trust Insurance Corp, Deutsche Bank, Citigroup, Bank of America, Chase Manhattan, Carlyle Group and Goldman Sachs. [9]

In the four months after 9/11, the total money supply increased by $650 billion, the single greatest burst of monetary increase in modern times. After pumping $3 trillion in excess liquidity into the economy, a 32 percent expansion of the money supply since 1994, the financial managers of this operation created comparable monetary ‘demand’ for this capital with Ten-Year Treasury Notes in a highly coordinated strategy to channel this excess liquidity into the high risk subprime market. A broad array of tactics was used to dismantle financial regulations and block actions that would have prevented systemic collapse, including a White House lawsuit to prevent state regulators from enforcing their predatory lending laws. [10]

Prior to 9/11, the individuals and institutions that collapsed the Soviet economy and robbed the treasury were under investigation by multiple federal agencies for evidence of financial fraud -- potentially related to 280,000 metric tons of stolen gold. These investigations were permanently aborted by the complete destruction of all case evidence -- stored in the 9/11 targets: World Trade Centers 1 and 2 were pulverized within 10 seconds each; WTC 7 was collapsed within 7 seconds; WTC 6 housing $240 billion in illegal bond certificates was exploded and the Office of Naval Intelligence at the Pentagon was demolished -- thereby destroying all evidence against the same individuals who subsequently funded and executed the controlled demolition of the United States. [11]

These are the architects of “regime change” -- the psychopathic assertion that criminals are free to overthrow governments, murder civilians and steal the assets of sovereign nations -- “because we can,” as Richard Cheney declared. In a sovereign nation governed by the rule of law, these subversives would have good reason to fear prosecution for treason and war crimes. Hence, the demolition of the US Constitution and re-engineering of law to provide themselves with immunity and crush political dissent.

Ethical minds do not conceive covert schemes to “march” humanity toward world dictatorship, nor plot the destruction of national sovereignty to rule the world. Human beings with a functioning conscience do not orchestrate mass murder, stage terrorist attacks, bankrupt economies and overthrow governments. These crimes against humanity are manifestations of criminal insanity. Delusions of grandeur, subversion, compulsive lying, larceny, kidnapping, torture and genocide indicate clinical symptoms of psychopathy and severe antisocial character disorders. [12]

The greatest danger of any centrally controlled system is the ease with which it can be hijacked by tyrants. That alone, is good reason to decentralize the global financial system, diversify national currencies and establish public control of money and credit within every nation state. International commitment to strengthening constitutional protection of civil liberties in every country must begin with repealing totalitarian “anti-terrorism” laws and dismantling the architecture of illegitimate “supranational sovereignty.”

This article is an excerpt from a more detailed work on the history of organized crime syndicates masquerading as the US government:


[1] Reuters (owned by Rothschild since 1800s), “Soros Sees No Bottom for World Financial Collapse,” February 21, 2009.

[2] Carroll Quigley, “Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time,” MacMillan, 1966, p. 324.

[3] David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address before that organization in June of 1991.

[4] Patrick Wood, “Toward a North American Union,” August Review; Trilateral Commission

[5] BIS Paper No 17, “Regional Currency Areas and the Use of Foreign Currencies.”

[6] C. Fred Bergsten, (Trilateral Commission; Peterson Institute), “The Euro Could Be Good for Trans-Atlantic Relations,” Washington Post, January 3, 1999

[7] Richard Gardner, “The Hard Road to World Order,” (Foreign Affairs, 1974) p. 558

[8] Steve Bonta, “New world order strategist: thirty years ago Richard N. Gardner proposed a “piecemeal” approach to world government. The internationalist insiders have followed his blueprint ever since,” The New American, May 3, 2004.

[9] Figure 3, page 14, E.P. Heidner, Part II, “Collateral Damage: The Subprime Crisis and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001,” December 25, 2008.

[10] E.P. Heidner, Part II, “Collateral Damage: The Subprime Crisis and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001,” December 25, 2008.

[11] E.P. Heidner, Part I, “Collateral Damage: US Covert Operations and the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001,” June 28, 2008.
[12] In contrast to Hollywood’s inaccurate portrayal of psychopaths as blue-collar misfits who stalk young women and rob convenience stores, most psychopaths come from well-to-do families and are white-collar criminals who, because of their wealth and position, seldom face consequences. Psychopaths are devoid of conscience, incapable of compassion, accountability or remorse, lie routinely, manipulate and deceive, operate in secrecy, control and suppress information. They view themselves with grandiose self-importance and are flagrantly contemptuous of the law. Their craving for dominance over others propels them into the centers of power where they are overrepresented in the top ranks of corporations, politics, law enforcement, law firms and the media. Psychopathology research:

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By Joan Veon
September 28, 2009

In 1994 when I covered my first global meeting, there was a press briefing by the Commission on Global Governance on their forthcoming report, Our Global Neighborhood. The man giving the briefing was one of the co-chairs, Sir Shridath Ramphal who was not only president of Guyana but also president of the (British) Commonwealth Association. As I read the glossy brochure, I thought he meant “global government” to which he replied “No, no, no we mean global governance.” When I asked about a global currency, he laughed and said, “No, not for a long time.”

The meeting recently held n Pittsburgh comprised the third meeting of the heads of state and finance ministers from the Group of Twenty nations: the developed countries led by the United States, Canada, Great Britain, France, Italy, Japan, Russia and Germany and the top developing countries: Argentina, Australia, Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, South Korea, and Turkey, as well as the European Union. Together, they represent 85% of the world’s Gross Domestic Product-GDP and 80% of world trade.

The Group of Eight-G8 began meeting in 1973 when Richard Nixon called together the leaders of four countries to determine how the world would be run economically now that he had put the world currencies on a floating basis when he removed the last ties the dollar had to gold in 1971. A formal meeting was held in 1975 in France with five countries and soon it was seven countries known as the Group of Seven until 1998 when Russia was officially admitted. Since 1975, whatever decision these seven or eight countries came to was law and if the rest of the countries of the world knew what was good for them, they would follow suit. In short, the Group of Eight acted as a “Global Board of Directors” for the world. Over the years, they expanded their purview to include every facet of government: labor, education, transportation, trade, housing, finance and the environment.

Under their auspices, the floating exchange between countries was perfected to the point where it was easy to raid any countries currency which did not do what they were suppose to do as mandated by the strong countries, there was the oil crises of the 1970s, and the fall of the shah of Iran who was the peacekeeper of the Middle East. The final pieces were added to the international infrastructure: the World Trade Organization, the regional groups like the European Union and the Free Trade Areas of the Americas, the International Criminal Court, and the tearing down of economic barriers between the countries of the world by calling on the U.S. to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999.

In 1998, the Group of Eight decided to become more integrated as they deviated from just economic concerns to the daily concerns that each country faces: health, education, growth, trade, etc. Tony Blair talked about the need to work together on all these issues so that each country could help each other and they could learn from one another. This is called integration, not advice. The final Communiqué which the G8 issued (then the G5) in 1975 was just a few pages to over one thousand pages in some years. Indeed they became a venue of “global governance.”

As a result of the 2007-2009 Credit Crisis, it was former President George Bush who called together the leaders of the developing countries to meet with the leaders of the developed countries last November. They instantaneously became their own powerhouse. At the second meeting in London this past April, they empowered the International Monetary Fund with $1.1T including a new offering of Special Drawing Rights-SDRs and they changed the Financial Stability Forum to the Financial Stability Board and greatly empowered its structure by giving them a plenary structure and several Steering Committees. The Financial Stability Board is part of the growing architectural pieces at the Bank for International Settlement in Basel, Switzerland.

In an interview with Professor John Kirton of the University of Toronto who heads up the unofficial secretariat of the Group of Eight and Twenty, he said of global governance, “It has come to mean, steering, shaping the global order through processes. Not only government of nation-states assisted by intergovernmental organizations, but a broad array of actors that have an important and legitimate place.” When I asked about how they and their roles had changed, he responded that the G20 had “institutionalized itself in an integrated way with the G8 so that next year in Canada, there would be a coming together of the two global governance institutions.” It was announced in Pittsburgh, that next year the G20 would meet at the same time that the G8 meets on economic issues. The G8 will continue their oversight of all other issues they currently govern. This is no small feat. Does anyone really understand the magnitude of what is happening?

When I asked Professor Kirton about the evolution of definitions of global governance since 1994 when we first met, he said, “Yes, there are many definitions for a global community [to be] attracted to a global concept. [You have the] command hierarchy in sovereign nation-states, [then there is] a middle range – a guiding steering process when more formal institutions are necessary but a broad array of actors from civil society have an important place.” In other words, the global level is to be guided by civil society which includes non-governmental organizations, “celebrity diplomacy” created by the rock star, Bono, and others.

In fact, Professor Kirton was adamant that the United Nations has seen its day since they have been unable to respond to a changing world. He pointed to the UN Security Council which has the same five permanent members in today’s world and that it does not even include Japan (G8 member) or China and any of the other developing countries.

The truth of the matter is that the coming together of the major developing countries with the G8 is a turning point in world history. If Bush is copying Nixon who created the G8, the truth of the matter is that we have continued to have serious economic crises. But it also points to a stronger power over the nation-states: the presidents and prime ministers who will ask their governments to implement what they have agreed to. It does point to a world governmental structure in which the laws of the nation-states have and are being changed to conform to what is agreed to on the global level. It leaves out the poor countries of the world which have no voice in this newly empowered governance structure.

It also points to a shift in world power. As you study the economics of the G20, they have a total GDP of $47T and public debt of $29T or 63%. Now we can talk all we want about global governance, interdependence, etc. but the truth of the matter is that there is more than one way to conquer a country. In the old days, it was a physical invasion, brute force, end of story. But in today’s electronic society, it is through banking, the stock exchange, the bond exchange, and the derivatives market. Basically, there has been no physical invasion, no black helicopters and no physical carnage. Today, it is debt. What difference does it make if the house has no or little equity versus the finances of a country? The Group of Twenty is indebted to the central bankers of the world. The agenda of the United Nations, the G8 or the G20 is basically a front for the real powers that run the world: the central banks which are private corporations that lend money to governments by printing it.

The bottom line: the United Nations and the G8 have not brought or kept world peace, they have not prevented war and neither have they improved the finances of any country. Furthermore, they have not improved the state of the world either. The only thing they have done is set up an infrastructure that reduces the power and sovereignty of the nation-state. In essence they have de-stabilized the world. Who really runs the country and the world? He who has the gold makes the rules and it is not governments!

© 2009 Joan Veon - All Rights Reserved

Joan Veon is a businesswoman and international reporter, who has covered over 100 Global meetings around the world since 1994. Please visit her website: To get a copy of her WTO report, send $10.00 to The Women's International Media Group, Inc. P. O. Box 77, Middletown, MD 21769. For an information packet, please call 301-371-0541

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BRIGHTSTAR wrote, ... mb=0&aq=f#

This is about what is called the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) that apparently most of the government bodies have from local, county, city, state and federal levels of governments. In other words two sets of "books".

I somehow think that this and the above is somehow connected and the first portion helped to get this second part set up to be done. I could be wrong in my assumption here, but the more we find out on it all, the more things just keep stemming back to some of the same sources as usual for all of the ills and corruptions occuring in America and the world also.

As they say, "Follow the money".

Brightstar, Yes this is true! All you have to do to find out how much your city, county, or state has in it's CARF account is to go to your city treasurer and ask him! If he refuses then get a freedom of information act form from someone in the city, fill it out and then give it to the city treasurer. He can't, by law refuse you!

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Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:53 am
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Could H1N1 vaccainee be a Birth Control method in disguse..

Could very well be! Note they pushing intensely hard that Pregent women and childern be the FIRST to get the jabs so called most at risk.. But also the very ones in charge of fertility.

Connect the dots!

Think about that as you read this piece...




by Phillip D. Collins
September 6, 2009

Nowadays, anyone and everyone who raises a disparaging word about the Obama Administration’s policies is immediately assigned the stigma of “alarmist,” “scaremonger,” or “paranoid.” Perhaps such stigmas are actually applicable in some cases, like Genesis Communications Network radio talk show host Alex Jones and Fox News talk show host Glenn Beck. In both of these cases, there are, no doubt, serious sanity issues involved. However, those who have familiarized themselves with the résumé of President Obama’s recently appointed Science Czar, John Holdren, have good reason to be afraid.

Before I proceed any further, allow me to dissuade readers from ascribing any sort of partisan biases to me. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. Foreign policy commentator Robert Kagan once observed that this false dichotomy represents “two variations of the same worldview.” The dialectical commonalities exhibited by Republicans and Democrats bear out this contention. Neither party is interested in dismantling the labyrinthine machinations of Big Government or restoring the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. Both are merely committed to the maintenance of their two-party political cartel.

‘Nuff said.

Having dispelled any accusations of partisan prejudices, allow me to provide a brief overview of Holdren’s résumé. In 1977, Holdren co-authored Ecoscience with Paul and Anne Ehrlich. Of course, Paul Ehrlich was the environmental scientist who published The Population Bomb in 1968.

This hyperbolic collection of demographic doomsday prophecies foolhardily predicted, “The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now.”

Of course, the arrival of the 70s banished such forecasts to the realm of Chicken Little eschatology. Yet, Ehrlich wasn’t done embarrassing himself. In 1980, the wannabe demographer bet University of Maryland economist Julian Simon that an impending era of scarcity would lead to rising prices among various commodities. Ehrlich bought five different metals for $1,000 on the condition that Simon would have to pay him the difference should their combined value be higher in 1990. A decade later, the combined price of the metals had actually fallen and Ehrlich had to pay Simon $576.

It comes as little surprise that Ehrlich’s prophecies never materialized. His views were heavily influenced by the 19th century Anglican clergyman Thomas Malthus. Malthus authored Essay on the Principle of Population, a treatise premised upon the spurious thesis: “Population, when unchecked, increases in a geometrical ratio. Subsistence increases only in an arithmetic ratio.” Although Malthus articulated his observations in succinct mathematical equations, the complexities of the natural order typically defy such numerical reductionism. Nevertheless, Malthus concluded that society should adopt certain social policies to prevent the human population from growing disproportionately larger than the food supply.

Malthus’ genocidal policies specifically targeted the poor. Through the promotion of hygienically unsound practices amongst impoverished populations, Malthus believed that the “undesirable elements” of the human herd could be naturally culled by various maladies. The spread of disease could be further assisted through discriminative vaccination and zoning programs. Worse still, Malthus promoted infanticide for illegitimate children, a practice that is still advocated by many bioethicists today. Peter Singer is one case in point. Ominously enough, Singer recently argued for the rationing of health care in a New York Times editorial.

Ehrlich’s prescriptions for the alleged “population bomb” were equally draconian. They included “compulsory birth regulation… (through) the addition of temporary sterilants to water supplies or staple food. Doses of the antidote would be carefully rationed by the government to produce the desired family size.”

Given his failed predictions, one would think that people would have stopped listening to Ehrlich a long time ago. Unfortunately, fools abound, as is evidenced by Obama’s appointment of Holdren to the position of Science Czar. Holdren merely reiterates Ehrlich’s core normative contention: “Population control is the only answer.”

In fact, on page 786 of Ecoscience, Holdren writes, “Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.”

On pages 786-87, Holdren endorses “sterilizing women after their second or third child” and administering a “long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin” for “coercive fertility control.”

On pages 787-88, Holdren reintroduces the draconian notion of adding sterilants to drinking water on the condition that such a substance “must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.” How humanitarian. At least Holdren made the provision for some exemptions, like chickens, cows, pigs, and other barnyard buddies. That Holdren includes the elderly and children in the same category as livestock bespeaks a rather low valuation of human life.

As is the case with most proponents of population control, Holdren’s recommendations invariably assume a eugenical character. On page 838, he states, “If some individuals contribute to general social deterioration by overproducing children, and if the need is compelling, they can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility…”

It comes as little surprise that, at a July 30 hearing of the Senate Commerce Committee, Senator Jay Rockefeller said, “Dr. Holdren, I don’t want to embarrass you but I sometimes refer to you as walking on water.”

Of course, the Senator is a scion of the Rockefeller dynasty, a lineage of consummate American oligarchs who have harbored a historical flirtation with eugenics. The Rockefeller Foundation, which was formed by John D. Rockefeller in 1909, created and directed the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Eugenics and Human Heredity. The chief executive of this institution was none other than Swiss psychiatrist Ernst Rudin, Hitler’s director of genetic sterilization and a founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene.

Rockefeller’s messianic portrayal of Holdren underscores the power elite’s disturbing preoccupation with population control. The unsettling rationale for this preoccupation comes into clearer focus when one considers a study conducted by the Royal Commission on Population in 1944.
Formed by King George VI to examine the declining fertility rates in the British Commonwealth, the Commission observed that the demographic implosion advanced “fastest among the higher occupational categories.” Apparently, a distinct fertility differential was making itself evident along socioeconomic demarcations. According to the Commission’s official report, it was the aristocracy that was demographically receding.

This fertility differential was attributable to the oligarchs’ tradition of “deliberate family limitation.” The demographic costs of such practices were becoming evident. Not surprisingly, Malthusianism and its theoretical correlative, Darwinism, were promoted by scientific minds within elite quarters. The theories of Malthusianism and Darwinism were formulated according to the sociological considerations of the ruling elite. Out of these two pseudo-scientific theories would emerge the socially and politically expedient concept of eugenical population control.

Simply stated, population control is camouflaged class warfare. In truth, the oligarchs are not concerned with carrying capacity. Ultimately, they are concerned with the capacity of their control. For the adherents of the gospel of elitism, a Malthusian like Holdren is, indeed, a messiah.

© 2009 - Phillip D. Collins - All Rights Reserved

Phillip D. Collins acted as the editor for The Hidden Face of Terrorism. He has also written articles for Paranoia Magazine, MKzine, NewsWithViews, B.I.P.E.D.: The Official Website of Darwinian Dissent, the ACL Report, Namaste Magazine, and Conspiracy Archive. In 1999, he earned an Associate degree of Arts and Science. In 2006, he earned a bachelors degree with a major in communication studies and a minor in philosophy. During the course of his seven-year college career, Phillip has studied philosophy, religion, and classic literature.

He has recently completed a newly expanded and revised edition of The Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship (ISBN 1-4196-3932-3), which is available at He is also currently co-authoring a collection of short stories, poetry, and prose entitled Expansive Thoughts. It will be available late Fall of 2006.


Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:13 pm
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The nun and Dr. Teresa Foncades, author of "Crimes of the big pharmaceutical companies", calls on the Spanish population that refuses to be vaccinated

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Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:13 pm
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A friend just sent this to me in email.. haven't had a chance to research it at all.. yet am posting it none the less.. MAY be something may not..


Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie ' Munich ' was based.. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard - she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games.

In a lecture in New York City a few weeks ago, he shared information that EVERY American needs to know -- but that our government has not yet shared with us.

He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.

Juval Aviv gave intelligence (via what he had gathered in Israel and the Middle East ) to the Bush Administration about 9/11 a month before it occurred. His report specifically said they would use planes as bombs and target high profile buildings and monuments. Congress has since hired him as a security consultant.

Now for his future predictions. He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. Will occur within the next few months.

Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will NEVER try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke -- that we have been reactionary rather than proactive in developing strategies that are truly effective..

For example:

1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic.

2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on board. He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security will have us all traveling naked! Every strategy we have is reactionary.

3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates. Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they run to the restroom or get a drink and then detonate the bags BEFORE security even gets involved. In Israel , security checks bags BEFORE people can even ENTER the airport.

Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate. (I. E., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities New York, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, etc., as well as rural America this time ( Wyoming , Montana , etc.).

The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact), involving at least 5-8 cities, including rural areas.

Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.

Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U. S. Government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts. The world is quickly going to become 'a different place', and issues like 'global warming' and political correctness will become totally irrelevant.

On an encouraging note, he says that Americans don't have to be concerned about being nuked. Aviv says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny'.

He also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad. But will be, instead, 'homegrown' - having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U. S. He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East . These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.

Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terrorist threats we will, inevitably, face. America still has only have a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact SOON.

So, what can America do to protect itself? >From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's, Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help. We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S. government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies'. Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.

Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in five major cities. The results? Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it fact, in Chicago, someone tried to steal the briefcase!

In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well 'trained' that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizen(s) who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag!' The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves. But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt enough' by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.

Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about our schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there. (In New York City , this was days, in some cases!)

He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terrorist emergency. He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .

Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone? Where would you gather in an emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to remember and follow.

Aviv says that the U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off EVERYONE's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the way that their bombs are detonated.

How will you communicate with your loved ones in the event you cannot speak? You need to have a plan.

If you believe what you have just read, then you must feel compelled to send to every concerned parent or guardian, grandparents, uncles, aunts, whatever and whomever. Nothing will happen if you choose not to do so, but in the event it does happen, this particular email will haunt you..."I should have sent this to...", but I didn't believe it and just deleted it as so much trash from old Bill Jones!!!

Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:19 pm
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Did I miss something here? I have to log in each time I log on to the site. What's up with that? Did permanent log in stop for everyone? Or is someone messing with my cpu again?

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Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:35 pm
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time traveler,

when the cookie for the GT gets deleted out, then it stops sending the auto updates. I have had this happen numerous times when I clean my system out. You then have to manually log back in and get the cookie back for it to start re-sending auto updates that a new post has been posted. And make sure that that option of Notify me when a reply is posted is checked also.

Yes, those CAFR's are actually online now that we know what they are referred to and named. I found several last night for my state and feds.

Now to get this broadcasted far and wide cause everyone needs to know of these things for sure and how these governments have been deceiving us all as they have and then they have the audicity to keep taxing and wanting to raise taxes. Corruptions and more corruption by evil greedy politicians.l


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Did I miss something here? I have to log in each time I log on to the site. What's up with that? Did permanent log in stop for everyone? Or is someone messing with my cpu again?

Still works for me and I have not changed any settings on the board...

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Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:19 pm
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Hi, DonDep!

Sorry to be the late arrival at the party (my computer has insisted on crashing itself for the last 48 - will probably do so again) but at any rate:

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Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:13 pm
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Brightstar, I never got rid of the cookies. Yet each time I come to the site I am asked to sign in! Like I just did.

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I just left the site and came back to check if I was still signed in and the answer was no. I had to sign in again.

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i liked this one :idea:

From NL/ZT page4 ... 892736/pg4

Will this PS be the last that Earth will experience, & with the shift to 4D & 5D, will 3D be even exist in the future for Earth?

This will be the last pole shift that Earth experiences. The Earth will move to 4th Density with the Moon and much of the bulk of the Sun. Part of the Earth will remain behind to house the Men-in-Black, which live in caverns on Earth. When Planet X makes future passages, the Annunaki will assume that the Sun has died, and the surface of the Earth with it.

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'You don't know who you're messing with': Vatican priest caught in red light district after police chase
Published on 10-03-2009

Source: Daily Mail

A Vatican priest led police on a high speed car chase leaving three officers injured after being caught in a red light zone, a court has heard.

Father Cesare Burgazzi, 51, said he 'floored' his Ford Focus car after he mistook the plain clothes officers who tried to flag him down during a spot check as robbers.

During the twenty minute early hours chase - which was described in court as "like something from a Hollywood movie" two police cars crashed and three police left injured.

The court in Rome heard that Father Burgazzi was a priest who worked at the Vatican's State Department and was also a master of ceremonies at St Peter's Basilica.

Officers gave chase after Father Burgazzi was spotted driving slowly in the Valle Giulia, an area of Rome well known for prostitution and transsexuals, and flagged down but instead drove off at high speed.

When he eventually stopped he told stunned officers:"You have no idea who I am. You don't know who you are messing with," not before he had tried to drive his car at them.

Father Burgazzi is accused of wounding, resisting arrest and failing to produce documents for the car or his identity when stopped.

His lawyer, Gianni Lostia, told the court in Rome: 'My client is not a user of prostitutes or transsexuals - he did not have condoms in his car and he contests the police's claim that the front seats were reclined.

'He was simply on his way home after a night out at a restaurant with priest friends. He thought the officers who had tried to stop him were trying to rob him and he panicked and drove off.'

Read more: ... z0Stmrk5RI

Ach Yes! The good Father Burgazzi wasn't searching for kinky sex... but .. but on a Mission from God!... LOL :roll:

Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:33 pm
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My my.. isn't this just so interesting!!!

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad revealed to have Jewish past
Published on 10-03-2009

Source: London Telegraph ... -past.html

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s vitriolic attacks on the Jewish world hide an astonishing secret, evidence uncovered by The Daily Telegraph shows.

A photograph of the Iranian president holding up his identity card during elections in March 2008 clearly shows his family has Jewish roots.

A close-up of the document reveals he was previously known as Sabourjian – a Jewish name meaning cloth weaver.

The short note scrawled on the card suggests his family changed its name to Ahmadinejad when they converted to embrace Islam after his birth.

The Sabourjians traditionally hail from Aradan, Mr Ahmadinejad’s birthplace, and the name derives from “weaver of the Sabour”, the name for the Jewish Tallit shawl in Persia. The name is even on the list of reserved names for Iranian Jews compiled by Iran’s Ministry of the Interior.

Full article here ... -past.html

An Iranian Jew! Calling for the extermination of the Jews..

Where have we heard this story before..

Oh I know Hitler (whose grandfather was documented to have been a German Jew) and went on to start World War II

Can we say Illuminati Plot anyone??? World War III perchance??


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A bit off topic but VERY well worth it..

I suggust you download the latest manual (link at the bottom) and study it completely.. this would be same manuals Majestic Stooges would know and utilize in their work.. Know your enemy.

It will also train you on how to SPOT Psy-Ops being played against you or the public!



The Use of Photographs in Psychological Operations
Published on 10-03-2009

Source: Secrecy News - Steven Aftergood ... syops.html

The Supreme Court has not yet indicated whether it will review a Freedom of Information Act ruling requiring the Department of Defense to disclose certain photographs of alleged detainee abuse to the American Civil Liberties Union. If it declines to do so, a federal appeals court order (pdf) that directed release of the photographs will stand.

Though not strictly a legal consideration, there is a potency to photographic images that can make them weapons in the struggle for popular opinion as a foundation and an adjunct to military operations. In opposing their release, the government contends (pdf) that the photographs sought by the ACLU could be used to incite violence against U.S. forces in Iraq or Afghanistan.

An old 1979 U.S. Army manual on psychological operations (large pdf) observed that images of brutal behavior committed by enemy terrorists can “reverberate against the practitioner, making him repugnant to his own people, and all others who see the results of his heinous savagery.” Distribution of such images among the population “will give them second thoughts about the decency and honorableness of their cause [and] make them wonder about the righteousness of their ideology.”

“The enemy may try to rationalize and excuse its conduct, but in so doing, it will compound the adverse effect of its actions, because it can never deny the validity of true photographic representations of its acts,” the Army Manual explained (at page I-10, PDF page 252). “Thus, world opinion will sway to the side of the victimized people.”

This kind of propaganda technique could not be used against the U.S., the now obsolete 1979 Army manual stated, because “The United States is absolutely opposed to the use of terror or terrorist tactics.” See “Psychological Operations,” U.S. Army Field Manual 33-1, August 31, 1979.

FM 3-05.30, the current U.S. Army Field Manual on Psychological Operations, does not address the tactical use of photographic images.

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Will it be turned against a civilian USA population?!?

Afterwhat the powers that be pulled at G-20 ??


An Europeans and elsewhere.. Your not immune either.. Once developed it WILL be sold off to the elites for 'crowd control'

... If you haven't realized it by now. When the powers that be speak of 'defeating the terrorists.' its not Middle Eastern nut jobs they are speaking of it. Its YOU, you are the terrorist.

Test of laser from C-130H melts hood of car
Published on 10-03-2009

Source: Air Force Times ... r_100209w/

US boasts of laser weapon’s ‘plausible deniability’ ... -harm.html

Portable pain weapon may end up in police hands

New video released by the Air Force and Boeing Co. show what happens when a C-130H Hercules aims the Advanced Tactical Laser at the hood of car.

In the video recorded Aug. 30 during a test flight at Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., the laser melts the hood and sparks a fire. A press statement from Boeing said the laser “killed the vehicle.”

The weapon uses a chemical laser that fills the cargo hold of C-130 to produce a laser beam fired from a turret mounted in the belly of a C-130.

If the size of laser can be reduced, the Air Force could one day fly laser versions of the AC-130 gunships.

The future of the project is in doubt as it competes for funding with other weapons, but a Boeing official said he is optimistic.

“The bottom line is that ATL works, and works very well,” Gary Fitzmire, program director of Boeing Missile Defense Systems' Directed Energy Systems unit, said in a release. “ATL's components — the high-energy chemical laser, beam control system and battle manager — are performing as one integrated weapon system, delivering effective laser beam energy to ground targets.”

Working with Boeing on the $200 million project, which began in 2002, is the Air Force Research Lab’s Directed Energy Directorate.

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Poll: Two Thirds Of Parents Will Not Vaccinate Kids With H1N1 Shot (Infowars)

A survey conducted by a leading consumer watchdog group has found that the vast majority of parents in the U.S. say they will not vaccinate their children against H1N1 flu, citing concerns over the safety of the vaccine.

The results of the poll have been published by the independent, nonprofit organization Consumers Union in their magazine Consumer Reports, one of the top-ten-circulation magazines in the country.

Almost two thirds of respondents to the poll stated that they would either refuse the vaccine outright or wait for more information before considering vaccinating their children.

Exactly 50% said that they would hold off on immunizing their kids due to concerns about possible side effects of the vaccine and worries over whether it has been tested enough.

A further 14% of parents ruled out vaccination altogether as an option.

43% of the parents said that they were not worried about their children catching swine flu, and an equal amount said they felt other parents were overreacting.

35% of respondents said that they would definitely vaccinate their children.

Consumers Union, which has been in operation for over seventy years and has offices in Washington, D.C. and Austin, Texas, surveyed 1,502 adults by telephone over a five day period last month. The Group has recommended that parents consider immunizing their children against swine flu this Fall.

The results of this survey come in the wake of others that found the majority of doctors and health care workers would also refuse to be vaccinated over safety concerns, as well as half of all pregnant women.

As we have previously reported, Pandemrix, the H1N1 vaccine manufactured by GlaxoSmithKilne for use in the U.S. and the U.K., contains both the novel adjuvant squalene, which has been linked to Gulf War Syndrome, and thimerosal, the mercury based preservative that some scientists have testified is a cause of autism.

In addition, the European Medicines Agency states on its pandemic website that there is "no clinical experience in the elderly, in children or in adolescents” with Pandemrix.

Authorisation was fast tracked for the vaccine based on research using “mock up” bird flu (H5N1) vaccines dating from 2007 and 2008.

The vaccine is now being given to children as young as six months in the U.S. and the U.K., along with a rival vaccine produced by Novartis in the U.S., and another produced by Baxter in the U.K.

Medical observers are watching closely to determine which vaccine produces the least side effects.

The vaccines have been rushed through safety procedures while the government has provided pharmaceutical companies with blanket immunity from lawsuits arriving out of the vaccine causing deaths and injuries.


Reuters ... cines_poll

Majority of U.S. parents wary of H1N1 vaccine: poll
By David Morgan David Morgan – Wed Sep 30, 6:42 pm ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Nearly two-thirds of U.S. parents say they will hold off having their children vaccinated against the H1N1 swine flu or will not get them immunized at all, according to a survey released on Wednesday.

The findings, published by Consumer Reports, underscore one of the main challenges facing the Obama administration as it readies a massive swine flu vaccination roll-out -- how to persuade the most vulnerable people to protect themselves against the new virus.

H1N1, which emerged last March and became a pandemic in June, puts children and young people at greater risk than the elderly for severe illness and death. Pregnant women and people with underlying medical problems such as lung disease or diabetes are at higher risk.

Consumer Reports, a magazine published by the nonprofit advocacy group Consumers Union, surveyed 1,502 adults by telephone from September 2-7.

It found that 50 percent of parents are delaying the vaccination decision, mainly because they were wary about whether the new H1N1 vaccine has been tested enough.

The same concerns were shared by 14 percent of parents who have ruled out vaccination altogether.

About 35 percent of adults surveyed said they would definitely have their children vaccinated, significantly higher than the 22
percent of 5- to 18-year-olds who are immunized in a typical year, according to federal statistics.

The survey also found 43 percent of parents were not too worried about their children contracting H1N1, while about the same number worried about other parents overreacting.

The poll has a 3 percentage point margin of error and was taken before the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved new vaccines for the H1N1 virus.


Preliminary test results have since shown children respond to the new vaccine just as they do to seasonal flu vaccines, with those over age 10 needing a single dose but children under 9 needing two.

Consumer Reports said it recommends that people within high risk groups consider immunization when the vaccine starts to become available next month.

The U.S. government has ordered vaccine from MedImmune, a unit of AstraZeneca, Sanofi-Aventis, Australia's CSL, GlaxoSmithKline and Novartis.

U.S. health officials, who say immunization provides the best protection against flu infection, warn that low vaccine demand could now have dire consequences.

The elderly are a prime target for seasonal flu strains that kill about 36,000 people during mild outbreaks. But officials warn that many of those deaths this season could be children aged 18 and under.

The Obama administration plans to begin distributing vaccine doses next week as part of an immunization campaign that should ramp up to over 250 million doses by the end of the year.

H1N1, currently the dominant flu strain, has infected millions of people in the United States, and in late summer, intensified strongly in the U.S. Southeast where the school year tends to begin early.

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Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:11 pm
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Live the Way of Permaculture

(NaturalNews) Permaculture is a way of living; it involves sustainability, ethics, community living, harmony with nature, appropriate technology, organic living, organic farming, etc. It is a way to integrate nature and people in the most sustainable way. This word, permaculture (that was originally derived from permanent agriculture), was originally coined by two Australians named David Holmgren and Bill Mollison in response to the challenges related to our survival.

In permaculture, ethics and design principles are used to help us make good decisions for the people and the environment. Permaculture itself is an ethical design system and can be applied to both the home and the community. Also it can be applied in rural and urban areas. Permaculture also involves three aspects which can be briefly described as follow:

Care for the land: Actions to protect the environment and improve it. Earth should be seen as a whole.

Care for the people: It involves the physical and psychological aspects, for example providing food and shelter, natural medications, reduce daily hard work, and provide equal opportunities for all people.

Care for the future: It is very important if we want to conserve our resources. Some of the aspects that it involves are recycling, planning, cooperation not competition, supporting local economy, and the use of renewable energy and resources.

The application of permaculture concepts helps us in reducing costs if we implement different alternatives that allow us to maximize efficiency and production. For example you can plant vegetables in an area where water drains from the sink (as long as you use biodegradable dish washing soaps that are harmless to the plants), this way reducing your plant watering time. While using this concept you save time that you can use for other tasks or for recreation, this way increasing your quality of life.

When working with permaculture you apply also design principles. For example, you can start plotting what you originally have in your home (for example recreational areas, gardens, unused areas, etc.); then, you can make changes in your drawing for the desired areas according to your ideas. For example, you can take into consideration the times when the sun rises and falls so you can plant according to the intensity of the sun received in the area. Also, you can verify which areas are the best for planting different kinds of vegetables, and then strategically locate the plants.

In permaculture design, zones are used to specify the areas where you are going to accommodate plants, animals, recreational areas, etc. These zones can be identified with numbers, for example from 0 to 5, and can be thought as concentric circles, each one representing a zone where the first one can be used for the area that is more concurrent, like the house. The last zone can be used for the least used area, this way maximizing efficiency and production.

When we practice permaculture we are building a natural capital that yields benefits for today and for the future.

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