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Hmmmm. There’s an interesting bait-and-switch (the very thing they caution against!) in the NASA Q&A on 2012 that Lynnwood posted, p. 36:

NASA website wrote:
Q: What is the polar shift theory? Is it true that the earth’s crust does a 180-degree rotation around the core in a matter of days if not hours?

A: A reversal in the rotation of Earth is impossible. There are slow movements of the continents (for example Antarctica was near the equator hundreds of millions of years ago), but that is irrelevant to claims of reversal of the rotational poles. However, many of the disaster websites pull a bait-and-shift to fool people. They claim a relationship between the rotation and the magnetic polarity of Earth, which does change irregularly, with a magnetic reversal taking place every 400,000 years on average. As far as we know, such a magnetic reversal doesn’t cause any harm to life on Earth. A magnetic reversal is very unlikely to happen in the next few millennia, anyway.


Did you spot it?

“A reversal in the rotation of the earth is impossible…” Of course it’s impossible. And irrelevant. That’s not what the question is about, is it? A rotational stoppage, not "reversal" of the core due to a closely approaching magnetic disturbance/object is what has been proposed. And that would cause the thin crust of the earth and its oceans to rip loose and continue rotating crudely, just like object inside a car keep moving forward if the car stops suddenly. NASA’s own response is a bait-and-switch, just like they say about others’ work.

I wonder if putting the “bait-and-switch” warning right into the answer isn’t someone’s clever way of trying to warn the reader here? You never know.....

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Selene wrote:
Hmmmm. .....
Did you spot it?

“A reversal in the rotation of the earth is impossible…” Of course it’s impossible. And irrelevant. That’s not what the question is about, is it? A rotational stoppage, not "reversal" of the core due to a closely approaching magnetic disturbance/object is what has been proposed. And that would cause the thin crust of the earth and its oceans to rip loose and continue rotating crudely, just like object inside a car keep moving forward if the car stops suddenly. NASA’s own response is a bait-and-switch, just like they say about others’ work.

I wonder if putting the “bait-and-switch” warning right into the answer isn’t someone’s clever way of trying to warn the reader here? You never know.....

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Selene wrote:
Hmmmm. .....
Did you spot it?

“A reversal in the rotation of the earth is impossible…” Of course it’s impossible. And irrelevant. That’s not what the question is about, is it? A rotational stoppage, not "reversal" of the core due to a closely approaching magnetic disturbance/object is what has been proposed. And that would cause the thin crust of the earth and its oceans to rip loose and continue rotating crudely, just like object inside a car keep moving forward if the car stops suddenly. NASA’s own response is a bait-and-switch, just like they say about others’ work.

I wonder if putting the “bait-and-switch” warning right into the answer isn’t someone’s clever way of trying to warn the reader here? You never know.....

Cheers,

Selene


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Reversal of the magnetic fields is not impossible. Scientist have surmised from rock studies in Canada that it has happened with the earth before. A star explosion from deep in our galaxy could cause it.
They thought this was the real reason why the Dinosaurs became extinct. Studies had also shown a rapid climate shift occurred and froze the dinosaurs with food in their mouths.

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Magnetic pole reversal or shift is accepted by mainstream science because of rock studies, as Dex mentions. But physical pole reversal or physical pole shift has not been accepted by the mainstream.

But quick frozen animals with grass in their mouths (I don't think it was dinosaurs) does make one wonder how that came about.


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I don't know if this is true, but the grey abduction scenario involving hybrids that are now hard to detect from normal humans seems to be real.

So my question to posters on this message board is whether you think a quiet invasion by non-humans is well underway.

I have also read, and who knows if it is true, that the end result of this "invasion" is going to unfold in the next several years.

I just watched Monday Night Football, so I have doubt that the roof will soon be blown off of our reality.

But that's probably the way the native people felt just before Cortez showed up.

What do you think?


An "invasion", whether quietly by stealth or overt and with lots of noise, suggests a hostile nature on the part of those 'invading'. Have you reflected as to why you would think of the situation in those terms, midnight? Have you somehow bought into the notion that Hollywood has attempted to foster - with some but not all of their ET-related offerings - that ETs, despite their demonstrated technological superiority, somehow mean us ill, yet have so far eluded any overt and recognizable (on a large scale) uncovering of their agenda? Is it because your reference point is indeed that of Cortez coming to the western hemisphere, and the resultant decimation and destruction of the native cultures?

I'll repeat my own often-stated view, which is that our time on Earth is coming to a close, and the spiritually-positive remnant that survives the 'house-cleaning' will be folded into the new replacement humanoid sentient life-form that's being prepared right now (the 'hybrids') while the spiritually selfish go on to prison planets and the rest are shipped to another schoolhouse planet. That perception had already begun to formulate in my own mind just before I was introduced to the same basic paradigm in ZT; there is a core logic to this scenario that I haven't heard anyone refute very well....using logic, that is.

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You have the most observant eye and a the sharpest, analytical mind we've had around in awhile, Selene. I'm glad you decided to stick around and help out with calling 'Them' out.

My comments bracketed and in red below and within:

Selene wrote:

News from the department of Nothing Is Official Until It is Officially Denied:

NASA on a crusade to debunk 2012 apocalypse myths

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.d1a7d73018336ea872c383a980ddb006.5a1&show_article=1

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The world is not coming to an end on December 21, 2012, the US space agency insisted Monday in a rare campaign to dispel widespread rumors fuelled by the Internet and a new Hollywood movie.


{Of course not, evil NASA spokesperson! No-one but your compadres in the IC, and a handful of ufers COINTELPRO'ed by that same collective who have been hypnotized by misinterpretations of Mayan myth, have intimated 'IT' would happen then anyway! -dd}

A ``rare campaign`` against something they find necessary to deride as `totally wacko`, eh? Now, where have we seen this before? Oh, merely every time someone starts to get close to the truth, that’s all: start with ridicule, proceed to character assassination, thence to psychosis. So why bother dissing a movie, for crissake? It’s only supposed to be fiction and entertainment, isn’t it? Isn’t it?

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The doomsday scenario revolves claims that the end of time will come as an obscure Planet X -- or Nibiru – heads toward or collides into Earth.


{Notice too that nothing is mentioned of the magnetic force that dwarfs our own planet's magnetic core being in play. -dd}

Interesting that they’re including the “heads toward” scenario – the Nancy Leider/Zeta position – as well as the direct hit concept in their denials…..

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Some websites accuse NASA of concealing the truth on the wayward planet's existence, but the US space agency denounced such stories as an "Internet hoax."

{These folks will be the first ones to get the business end of the pitchforks, speaking metaphorically of course, and then come the bankers. -dd}

"There is no factual basis for these claims," NASA said in a question-and-answer posting on its website.


NASA “conceal the truth”? Heavens! My smelling salts…!

{LMAO! Gotta love your SOH, Selene.....smelling salts, indeed! - dd}

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If such a collision were real "astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade”,…


Yes. We are reliably informed that indeed they have been.

{And of course no mention made of the handfuls of dead astronomers that have conveniently died by way of violent accidents. -dd}

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….and it would be visible by now to the naked eye," it added.


As some visible-eye photos have in fact been taken by observers around the world – but, hey, who’s counting?

Quote:
"Obviously, it does not exist."
"Credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012," NASA insisted.


And NASA has made damn sure they don’t know…

Quote:
Initial theories set the disaster for May 2003,


May 2003? That was Nancy Leider’s White Lie date, no? Clearly, that’s what they’re referring to here. The movie is a stalking horse here for dissing Leider’s theories. (Note to Self: Read up on Nancy Leider…and pay attention.)

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…..but when nothing happened the date was moved forward to the winter solstice in 2012 to coincide with the end of a cycle of the ancient Mayan calendar.

{LIES, LIES, LIES and MORE LIES!! The said target of their debunking - which as you suggest, Selene, should be a clue to the critical thinkers among us - has made NO CLAIM of a new 'date' in the wake of the 'White Lie'; in fact, they repeatedly admonish the readers that they will give NO DATE until the 'Never A Straight Answer' agency and its cabalistic caretakers start giving straight answers. - dd}

….And it said there are no planetary alignments on the horizon for the next few decades. [Selene says: WTF??? They’ve never heard of the galactic plane?]

{WTF do 'planetary alignments' have to do with the issue, anyway? -dd}

And even if the planets were to line up as some have forecast [Selene: Hey, guys – either they will or they won’t. It’s a matter of celestial mechanics, pure and simple. You mean you’ve been sending stuff to Mars by pure wild-ass guesswork?]… the effect on our planet would be "negligible," NASA said.

Among the other theories NASA has set out to debunk are that geomagnetic storms, a pole reversal or unsteadiness in the Earth's crustal plates might befall the planet.


Woaah. Now we’re getting onto some heavy duty debunking here. Pole reversal, you say? Unsteadiness of the crustal plates, eh? Nothing to see here, sheeple, :sheep :sheep :sheep move along, internet hoax….

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"We have already determined that there are no threatening asteroids as large as the one that killed the dinosaurs," the space agency said.


{It's clear they are worried enough about matters to feel compelled to have to come out and blithely lie about matters. -dd}

As large as something that caused an ELE (extinction level event)? Doesn’t have to be, does it, to cause a whole lot of disruption. Another clever half-truth from the masters of deception.

I mean, plainly: if this is all so whacko - and just a movie - why is NASA taking time out from their important and cash-strapped responsbilities to comment on our fruitcake ideas?

Gotta love it.

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Excellent find, Selene. How did you come across this?

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Post Re: The Golden Thread, Volume 2009 5.0
I posted some of it Don, one page back. I ran across it awhile back.- I thought the title was weird, and it only got weirder.

Also, Selene posted this source link:

NASA on a crusade to debunk 2012 apocalypse myths
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

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Since I see several mentions of NASA and 2012

Have you all seen this page, at NASA?

2012: Beginning of the End or Why the World Won't End? <---- horrible grammar, Freudian slip?
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html
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Remember the Y2K scare? It came and went without much of a whimper because of adequate planning and analysis of the situation. Impressive movie special effects aside, Dec. 21, 2012, won't be the end of the world as we know. It will, however, be another winter solstice.

Much like Y2K, 2012 has been analyzed and the science of the end of the Earth thoroughly studied. Contrary to some of the common beliefs out there, the science behind the end of the world quickly unravels when pinned down to the 2012 timeline. Below, NASA Scientists answer several questions that we're frequently asked regarding 2012.

Question (Q): Are there any threats to the Earth in 2012? Many Internet websites say the world will end in December 2012.
Answer (A): Nothing bad will happen to the Earth in 2012. Our planet has been getting along just fine for more than 4 billion years, and credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012.

Q: What is the origin of the prediction that the world will end in 2012?
A: The story started with claims that Nibiru, a supposed planet discovered by the Sumerians, is headed toward Earth. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012. Then these two fables were linked to the end of one of the cycles in the ancient Mayan calendar at the winter solstice in 2012 -- hence the predicted doomsday date of December 21, 2012.

Q: Does the Mayan calendar end in December 2012?
A: Just as the calendar you have on your kitchen wall does not cease to exist after December 31, the Mayan calendar does not cease to exist on December 21, 2012. This date is the end of the Mayan long-count period but then -- just as your calendar begins again on January 1 -- another long-count period begins for the Mayan calendar.

Q: Could a phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?
A: There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.

Q: Is there a planet or brown dwarf called Nibiru or Planet X or Eris that is approaching the Earth and threatening our planet with widespread destruction?
A: Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax. There is no factual basis for these claims. If Nibiru or Planet X were real and headed for an encounter with the Earth in 2012, astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye. Obviously, it does not exist. Eris is real, but it is a dwarf planet similar to Pluto that will remain in the outer solar system; the closest it can come to Earth is about 4 billion miles.

Q: What is the polar shift theory? Is it true that the earth’s crust does a 180-degree rotation around the core in a matter of days if not hours?
A: A reversal in the rotation of Earth is impossible. There are slow movements of the continents (for example Antarctica was near the equator hundreds of millions of years ago), but that is irrelevant to claims of reversal of the rotational poles. However, many of the disaster websites pull a bait-and-shift to fool people. They claim a relationship between the rotation and the magnetic polarity of Earth, which does change irregularly, with a magnetic reversal taking place every 400,000 years on average. As far as we know, such a magnetic reversal doesn’t cause any harm to life on Earth. A magnetic reversal is very unlikely to happen in the next few millennia, anyway.

Q: Is the Earth in danger of being hit by a meteor in 2012?
A: The Earth has always been subject to impacts by comets and asteroids, although big hits are very rare. The last big impact was 65 million years ago, and that led to the extinction of the dinosaurs. Today NASA astronomers are carrying out a survey called the Spaceguard Survey to find any large near-Earth asteroids long before they hit. We have already determined that there are no threatening asteroids as large as the one that killed the dinosaurs. All this work is done openly with the discoveries posted every day on the NASA NEO Program Office website, so you can see for yourself that nothing is predicted to hit in 2012.

Q: How do NASA scientists feel about claims of pending doomsday?
A: For any claims of disaster or dramatic changes in 2012, where is the science? Where is the evidence? There is none, and for all the fictional assertions, whether they are made in books, movies, documentaries or over the Internet, we cannot change that simple fact. There is no credible evidence for any of the assertions made in support of unusual events taking place in December 2012.

Q: Is there a danger from giant solar storms predicted for 2012?
A: Solar activity has a regular cycle, with peaks approximately every 11 years. Near these activity peaks, solar flares can cause some interruption of satellite communications, although engineers are learning how to build electronics that are protected against most solar storms. But there is no special risk associated with 2012. The next solar maximum will occur in the 2012-2014 time frame and is predicted to be an average solar cycle, no different than previous cycles throughout history.

Addition information concerning 2012 is available on the Web, at:

--NASA Astrobiology Institute: "Nibiru and Doomsday 2012" http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-ast ... nd-answers
--Bad Astronomy: "The Planet X Saga: The Scientific Arguments in a Nutshell" http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/pl ... shell.html
--Sky and Telescope Magazine: "2012: The Great Scare" http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... guest.html


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Dondep wrote:

My comments bracketed and in red below and within:

Selene wrote:


….And it said there are no planetary alignments on the horizon for the next few decades. [Selene says: WTF??? They’ve never heard of the galactic plane?]

{WTF do 'planetary alignments' have to do with the issue, anyway? -dd}


The NASA bods are referring to the planetary alignments, I believe, because it's that which causes the crustal shift, earthquakes, 2 mile high tidal waves and catastrophic upheavals on Earth in Roland Emmerich's upcoming 2012 film.

When I saw the trailers for the film earlier this year, I thought Emmerich and his writers were using Nibiru/PX and its gravitational and magnetic effects as the cause of all the mayhem, but it appears -- and I could be wrong about this -- that it's the planetary alignments in the solar system on December 21st 2012 that causes the world to turn upside down, metaphorically speaking. :huh We'll know on Friday when the film comes out.

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Talking of incoming objects, I read that an incoming asteroid, which was previously unknown, came within 8,700 miles of Earth the other day, and astronomers only noticed the rock, which was about 23 feet in length, 15 hours before the object made it's closest approach.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z0WXs9J6KV
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Uncle John here: I want to introduce a subject that I will call "The Golden Thread meets the Golden Triangle."

The universe is all about mind and technology. Disclosure of the offworlder presence is nothing compared to this much more important subject. If fact, disclosure will amount to nothing unless it sufficiently covers the process of creating and sharing mind and technology with all the offworlders including humans in the universe.

We now have sufficient evidence to state the Dan Burisch was and is controlled and perhaps augmented with drugs.

We know that the Pickering brother's Source A had to take drugs in order to interface with the Conformers race of offworlders. (edit: Temp reported that this is not true and I corrected the name. Thanks Clay.)

I know of many more examples of black ops production and use of drugs that I will introduce later if sufficient interest is generated.

Perhaps the story on earth is like Frank Herbert's story in the "Dune" books. The "Spice" is needed by the offworlders and can only be produced in very rare areas with rare techniques.

What if the Vietnam and Afghanistan wars were all fought to control the source of drugs. We all know that the reasons given that these wars were fought for opposing communism and terrorism are not true.

One of the most valuable sources for information about these things comes from the work of Terence McKenna. He was the first one to introduce me to 2012.

Another is "Neuromancer" by William Gibson. In this story the drugs are needed to navigate the matrix, not the universe! Ask yourself why we have a hold generation of humans that has their main focus in life as playing video games?

The "Matrix" movies by the Wachowski brothers give many more clues. Look for them.

I live in Silicon Valley which produces much of the computer technology. Now it produces much of the drug technology.

One has to understand that technology to produce computers and drugs is not in the products, but in the production processes to create the products. Understand that part of the production process involves the mind state of humans in the fiscal areas that these are produced!

The stories of Andrew D Basiago, Montack, MK Ultra, Michael Wolf, Lewis Carroll, rock and roll in general and others involve the use of drugs to control, erase or augment memory and consciousness. Just remember that your memory and consciousness is not located inside your head.

Welcome to the rabbit hole.


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But quick frozen animals with grass in their mouths (I don't think it was dinosaurs) does make one wonder how that came about.


i got an article of the "flash frozen ones"

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On September 27, 2004, the front part of a baby mammoth’s body was found in Olchan mine in the Oimyakon Region of Yakutia. Specialists of the Museum of Mammoth of the Institute of Applied Ecology of the North, Academy of Sciences of Sakha Republic (Yakutia), have been thoroughly studying the finding and they have published the first outcomes.
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some info of 2009 VA:
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2 ... cad=0#elem

But is interesting the way this 2009 VA go down to the ecliptic, pasing Earth...
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DonDep, you asked re the NASA story on Breitbart/AFP

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Excellent find, Selene. How did you come across this?


Are you ready for this? I found it on the front page of Huffington Post, which is as close to MSM as I read these days. Yes. That’s what caught my eye. I wondered if the issue was gaining some traction. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/10/2012-nasa-crusades-to-deb_n_351926.html

On reading the piece, it immediately became clear to me that NASA was going to some PR lengths to get ink for their view. This wasn’t your ordinary press release, which come into newsrooms’ email by the hundreds each day/hour. I’m not suggesting that HuffPost or anyone else who ran with the story (NYTimes, USA Today, National Geographic, Le Monde and others have also gone with it) is complicit here. It is more probable (speaking from experience) that their respective features editors got a ‘heads up’ call from NASA’s PR department saying: ‘Here’s a cute story you might like, something different…..’. Happens all the time, and if you’re on a newsdesk, you simply don’t answer your phone most of the time in an attempt to fend off the endless PR reps with their hot story tips for you. But sometimes it works. A newsdesk is always looking for something new and different, within reason, of course. And if NASA is promoting this, that makes it practically bulletproof from a ‘valid source’ point of view.

So the fact that so many mainstream pubs are being steered toward this story is interesting indeed.

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But quick frozen animals with grass in their mouths (I don't think it was dinosaurs) does make one wonder how that came about.


i got an article of the "flash frozen ones"
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a quite nice hypothesis on that subject can be found in the interview with valery uvarow on the pc site
http://www.projectcamelot.net/valery_uvarov.html
as well as in his book
"pyramids" which you can find here -> http://www.wands.ru/pyramids.pdf

highly recommended if you haven´t watched/read it yet.

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MJC, you commented:

MJC wrote:
The NASA bods are referring to the planetary alignments, I believe, because it's that which causes the crustal shift, earthquakes, 2 mile high tidal waves and catastrophic upheavals on Earth in Roland Emmerich's upcoming 2012 film.


With your kind indulgence, MJC, this may be a subtle point of terminology, but to fend off any possible confusion I’d like to offer a distinction for our readers between “planetary” alignments – which are usually understood to mean the conventional relationships of the motion of planets within our solar system – and “galactic” alignments – which involve the larger relationship of our entire solar system to the larger wheel of our galaxy, the Milky Way, and are the correct source of interest here.

And, to be clear, we are also talking about two separate and further elements: Crossing the center of the galactic plane in 2012, with unknown cosmic effects, and the cyclical return of a Planet X at some unknown time, which is predicted to cause the magnetic crustal and tidal disruptions, etc.

My reason for doing so is that the galactic alignments – which are based on a ~26,000 year cycle of precession - are the source of the Mayan 2012 alignment. Planetary alignments are relatively common, even the rarest of them happening once every few centuries, but galactic alignments can take 13,000 years to come into position, and are correspondingly more epochal. In fact, when Mayan calendar researchers such as John Major Jenkins first decoded the calendar’s timeline several decades ago, they were plainly puzzled about the significance of the ‘zero point’ 2012 date, since there was simply nothing particularly unusual about the planetary alignments on that date. It wasn’t until they began looking at star maps in terms of the larger galaxy that they realized the significance of the timing.

NASA's use of the term "planetary alignments" obscures this entire issue, of course.

If you imagine our galaxy as shaped like a giant dinner plate, our entire solar system weaves slowly up and down, cycle fashion, “above” and “below” this thin plate as the system orbits within that great wheel’s own rotation. Once every 13,000 years (half of the 26K cycle) we cross “through” the center of that edge – the galactic plane – to continue our journey on the other side of the plate, as it were. There is some astronomical evidence that the emission of the elusive ‘dark matter’ – which we now suspect makes up as much as 95% of all matter in the universe and forms the ‘black hole’ at the galactic center – is possibly emitted in a denser stream through the center of this galactic plane, forming the so-called “photon belt” (which exact composition is a matter of some debate).

Now here we get into hyperdimensional physics, which is beyond the scope of this discussion but brilliantly elucidated by David Wilcock in his free online book “The Shift of the Ages”. I highly recommend it if anyone is interested: http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/books-free-online/18-the-shift-of-the-ages

It is enough here to suggest that from everything we know – or think we know – about the timing of this crossing of the galactic plane, that it impels major changes in, well, just about everything.

The second factor, that the orbit of a “dark twin” or brown dwarf binary star/object twin to our own sun (which is another description of Planet X/Nibiru) would be somehow synchronized to this larger motion of the galaxy is not at all surprising. In fact, it is to be expected. That a meshing or crossing of these galactic and PX cycles would happen every so often is also a mathematical certainty, given a long enough time frame. And we do know the earth is several billion years old, so…… we have possibilites, but no firm answers.

That’s the Cliff’s Notes version. I highly recommend also Jenkins’ superb book: “Maya Cosmogenesis 2012” for further reading.

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Uncle John here: Selene, I have presented the scientific evidence and references several times on the golden thread that our solar system is no way close to crossing the plane of the galactic ecliptic. We are thousands of years from that event.

What is talked about the crossing is pure Astrology, not Astronomy.


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Just like to pause and remember the Vet's of this forum, both Combat and Non Combat..

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"There is nothing heroic about war. War is about fear, from the first day on the battle field you live in fear for your life until the last day. One day you wake up in the trenches and realize your fear is gone and you fear why your fear is gone....

I think we Vet's ultimately live for one moment and that is that no son, daughter or grand son of ours ever have to experience that fear which we went threw nor witness the horrors we witnessed.

Yet, in that fear in that horror upon the battle field, we became men. We became brothers. To this day I don't know why they gave me this metal [Knights Cross] I didn't do anything. But out of fear for my brothers safety when I took charge after our commander was killed, they had given up. I simply did what had to be done to save them and my own ass in the process. They call me a hero... :laughs: I don't know what that term is. I didn't then and I still don't."
- Shady's dad, Vet of World War II, Latvian Legion 19th Division. Talking about his War experiences 1990.


PS.. What does a Knights Cross (German version of a Metal of Honor) winner leave his son about his combat years? His metals? Uniform patch? No.. his pocket bible he carried threw out the war in in jacket pocket and a letter written by his father and mom, the night he shipped out to The Front."


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http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/281919

Mysterious flu in Ukraine continues to intensify
Posted Nov 10, 2009 by ■ Andrew Moran


Nearly three quarters of the Ukrainian population have flu-like symptoms of the mysterious virus and the government has ordered more than 650,000 doses of anti-viral drug Tamiflu.

Digital Journal reported at the end of October that more than 40,000 Ukrainians contracted a serious virus but now more than three quarters (478,456) of Ukrainians have contracted the flu-like symptoms, according to Radio Netherlands. As Recombinomics notes, the total number of deaths has been reported to be between 81 and 100 with more than 25,000 hospitalized.

The mysterious flu strain has caused a variety of theories such as biological warfare. Jose Mosse, who is a former microbiologist for the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, called into a radio talk show warning about a biological weapon that would occur in Ukraine by Baxter International.

Other theories reported have been stories of people seeing light aircrafts spraying an unidentified substance over Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. However, this specific theory has been denied by the government of Ukraine.

The Prime Minister of Ukraine, Yulia Tymoshenko, recently said, according to Inter Fax, that the World Health Organization, “The WHO noted that the measures we are currently taking are the most appropriate for the situation that re being taken in the world. This applies both to the actions of local authorities in all the regions and those of the central authorities.”
Nevertheless, the health minister Vasyl Kniazevych told a radio station that he does think it is the H1N1 Swine Flu but tests of the mysterious virus will take several weeks to find conclusive evidence of the specific influenza.


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But quick frozen animals with grass in their mouths (I don't think it was dinosaurs) does make one wonder how that came about.


i got an article of the "flash frozen ones"

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On September 27, 2004, the front part of a baby mammoth’s body was found in Olchan mine in the Oimyakon Region of Yakutia. Specialists of the Museum of Mammoth of the Institute of Applied Ecology of the North, Academy of Sciences of Sakha Republic (Yakutia), have been thoroughly studying the finding and they have published the first outcomes.
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With evidence like this, it confirms that there may be something to the Crustal Displacement theory, in which the entire outer crust of the Earth can slip and shift in "one piece" across thousands of miles. The land that these mammoths were grazing on was without warning pushed into a much colder climate -- unless a sudden Ice Age hit them before they had time to digest their food and froze them solid, which is unlikely.


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With your kind indulgence, MJC, this may be a subtle point of terminology, but to fend off any possible confusion I’d like to offer a distinction for our readers between “planetary” alignments – which are usually understood to mean the conventional relationships of the motion of planets within our solar system – and “galactic” alignments – which involve the larger relationship of our entire solar system to the larger wheel of our galaxy, the Milky Way, and are the correct source of interest here.

Fair enough, Selene. From what I've read about Emmerich's 2012 and some of the early reviews, the premise doesn't dwell too much on the science behind what causes the trouble and strife on Earth. All I've seen mentioned are basic statements such as "planetary alignments," which was what the NASA communiqué was referring to.


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Hi, UJ, you commented:

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Uncle John here: Selene, I have presented the scientific evidence and references several times on the golden thread that our solar system is no way close to crossing the plane of the galactic ecliptic. We are thousands of years from that event.

What is talked about the crossing is pure Astrology, not Astronomy.


I’m terribly sorry, I haven’t read those postings – do you have a link, if that’s not too much trouble?

It is my understanding that our solar system’s position in the galaxy is based on the best available astronomical (and not astrological) calculations, based on JPL data computed for NASA in the late 20th century, although some do aver that we in fact crossed that ecliptic several years ago, as well. Others speculate that our solar system is in fact part of another galactic wheel that is integrating or impacting the Milky Way at a slight incline. There are a number of views on this issue, but the mainstream – if there is one here – places us pretty close to smack on the midline of the so-called “Great Galactic Rift” of dark matter right about now. Jenkins 2002 book “Galactic Alignment” contains some clear illustrations of this position, as well as discussing its meaning in terms of ancient symbolism from a number of civilizations.

Astrology, to clarify, deals only with the relative position of planets within our own solar system (with the exception of the so-called “fixed stars”: first and second magnitude stars, rarely invoked, whose position is considered ‘fixed’ since they do not alter in practical terms during the span of a single human lifetime). There is nothing in traditional astrology that deals with the galactic plane. The evolving field of archaeoastronomy – computing the ancient precessional positions of constellations and stars in terms of significant past and future alignments to ancient monuments – is a relatively new field made possible only in the last few decades by greater computing power and larger programs. My points make no reference to this.

All best regards and many thanks for your help :clap ,

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Uncle John here: Selene, I have presented the scientific evidence and references several times on the golden thread that our solar system is no way close to crossing the plane of the galactic ecliptic. We are thousands of years from that event.

What is talked about the crossing is pure Astrology, not Astronomy.

You've got a point, UJ, and I do remember your past posts.

We don't know the precise shape (in terms of length, width and height) of the galaxy well enough to determine if the Earth, Sun and the Galactic Centre will align and form a straight line with the sun at the centre on the December 21st 2012 date. This isn't helped by the Milky Way being asymmetrical and having no definable axis, plus the tilts of all the planetary bodies and the precession of the equinoxes as well, not forgetting the Milky Way's "interactions" with other galaxies.


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Talking of our galaxy, here's the latest composite image of it using observations from the Hubble Space Telescope, the Spitzer Space Telescope, and the Chandra X-ray Observatory


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Also from youtube and Project Camelot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqMIZm4RwdI
The Jesuit Footage: Nibiru taken by the Vatican's Space Probe named Siloe (NSD42)
(Just copy it before be deleted again!)

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he so-called "Jesuit Footage", sent in 2000 by post to Cristoforo Barbato - by the Italian Jesuit belonging to the S.I.V. - WAS NEVER AVAILABLE on the Web, even now. I myself baptized it the "Jesuit Footage" to draw public attention to it. It was an edited clip of about two minutes regarding observations in deep space of a planetoid with a thick atmosphere (the presumed Planet X), while it was approaching to the Solar System but still beyond Neptune's orbit.

It was never released to the public, either by Barbato or by anyone else; the only available footage on the Web similar (but not the same) to the Jesuit Footage is the mysterious NSD42_secret_video___unknown_planet, uploaded on Disclose.tv by the user name "Satorotas" ("Male, 74, Switzerland"), on May 19, 2007.

http://www.disclose.tv/Satorotas

This is shorter than the Jesuit Footage, but it looks like a presumed shot of the same planetoid with the thick atmophere visible in the original film given to Barbato.

About the acronym NSD42

You can read some information here at the Federation of American Scientists (FAS): http://fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsd/nsd_42.htm, where it states:

...the NSC staff has determined that the release of the format of NSD 42 could cause damage to the national security.

About Disclose.tv

Disclose.tv is a new and fast growing video and photo sharing community dedicated to the mysteries, secrets, anomalies, conspiracies and other alternative or unexplained topics of this world - the first of its kind.
[source: http://www.disclose.tv/action/static/about]

Later on, the same footage spread by "Satorotas" was spread on YouTube by another user, by the name of "ebe2012 ".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgpuUy2_E_8

[Project Camelot note: this video has now been removed.]

But I must point out that the Jesuit Footage was probably a copy of a copy recorded on a VHS tape, and the shots and the length are different, as are the amount of visible details.
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I posted some of it Don, one page back. I ran across it awhile back.- I thought the title was weird, and it only got weirder.

Also, Selene posted this source link:

NASA on a crusade to debunk 2012 apocalypse myths
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1


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DonDep, you asked re the NASA story on Breitbart/AFP

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Excellent find, Selene. How did you come across this?


Are you ready for this? I found it on the front page of Huffington Post, which is as close to MSM as I read these days. Yes. That’s what caught my eye. I wondered if the issue was gaining some traction. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/10/2012-nasa-crusades-to-deb_n_351926.html


And then the first thing that greets my eye in this morning's inbox in my email was the same thing from Victor's 'ufer' email list.

The Huffington Post placement has me puzzled; it's my main MSM source for news (aside from MSNBC and a smattering of CNN) and I even have the iPhone app for it, reading the headlines every morning. I can't believe I missed it! I do know they change the top story almost hourly, at least on the phone app, but they normally shy away from this kind of thing. I think your understanding of why they went with this is spot-on, as usual, which should help readers understand that the MSM isn't some monolithic lap-dog and is often peopled and policed by real flesh-and-blood types that are motivated by things other than commands from on high. It DOES reinforce the fact that NASA and the rest of the Coverup artists are apparently sufficiently threatened to go to the lengths they did putting this out. I might just drop in on Saturday's GLP ZT chat and ask NL and her zetan buddies about this; they're probably dying to be asked about it anyway.

As I typed the last sentence above, MSNBC has announced its teaser for the umpteenth time this hour "Now wait, I'm being serious, the Vatican is looking for alien life and believes it's out there, that story coming up". I'm beginning to get the idea that the Coverup is going beyond the original "Operation Patchwork" concept and moving into the realm of the schizophrenic Two-Step Tango: one step forward, two steps back, a jump to the left and then a jump to the rii-ii-ii-ii-ight. "Yes, Virginia, there IS life out there, the Pope says so! It's just not life as we know it! Those little worm-like things could possibly evolve into big scary aliens that you don't want to know about! But don't worry, it probably won't happen for another thousand years or so!"

And Campbell Brown on CNN is reportedly doing a special on "Secret Societies" tonight (or was it last night? I never watch her so I might have missed it). Having her report on such a thing is a sure-fire indication the entire concept is to get the brush-off. TPTB know that's what the hoi poloi are now looking into on the 'internets' and therefore are trying to innoculate themselves. Which means that if anything happens on the 27th re the "announcement", it's probably something on the order of "we found living microbes in water on Mars", or "CSETI has decoded new radio transmissions and they sound an awful lot like the Sex Pistols' 'God Save The Queen', so we know that whatever aliens sent them they can't be too serious".

UPDATE: "Vatican Holds Conference on Aliens" just announced. "Aliens Don't Limit Faith". "Intelligent Aliens Also Part of God's Creation". - from MSNBC captions

As a side note, the story following is about "automated holy water" dispensers, using infrared detectors, being installed in Catholic churches.

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